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democrats and republicans agree that the immigration system is broken. how to fix it is being debated. most democrats and a few republicans extend 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the country. president obama designed an order to shield up to five million people from deportation. a court blocked his plan. the obama administration said it will appeal to the supreme court for a final ruling. never mind, the legality of the obama administration actions. many republicans take an opposite view and saying all the documented immigrants in the you haves should be reported. presidential front runner donald
trump is at the head. he continues to lead most polls and his symptom yet aggressive-- simple yet groove polls deport them all and build a wall, has boosted some votes. mexico being excused of sending people into united states, bringing drugs, rapists with them, campaign conceding that some in the end are good people. donald trump dropped a bomb shell during the debate in milwaukee when he praised the deportations of undocumented immigrants in the 50s known operation wet back was the president's move to move these people. they were rounded up and flown to remote areas of the united states border with mexico where they were released and forced in the harsh terrain to fend for themselves. six decades later donald trump
was calling for a new operation, this one with a u.s. deportation forks that rounds up all 11 undocumented immigrants and ships them out within two years, but there's talk about deporting millions of people exposing the deep split on the poll across the country and within the g.o.p. >> we all know you can't pick them up and ship them across, back across the border. >> reporter: it was the fierceest fight over immigration so far in this campaign. donald trump's pledge to deport every undocumented immigrant in the you haves more than 11 million people. >> we are a country of laws. we have to go out and they will come back, be enthusiasm have to go out. >> reporter: govern john kasich called it impractical and immorale. >> if people think that we're going to ship 11 million people who are law-abiding, in this
country and somehow pick them up at their house and ship them out to mexico? think about the families and the children former glovror gentlemened bush. >> to send them back 500,000 a month is just not possible. it's not embrazing american values. it would tear communities apart but donald trump campaign has surged thanks in part to his hard line immigration polls refused to back down. he noted that deportations have been carried out before. >> you don't get nicer, you don't get friendlier. they moved a million and a half people out. we have no choice donald trump historical numbers are at best in dispute and pursuing his plan would require getting past some basket math. deporting 11 undocumented immigrants within to years would
mean finding and arresting 15,000 people a day, pulling this off would require hiring thousands of additional law enforcement agents. assuming you did that, the next challenge would involve the u.s. constitution and the right known as due process. that means all undocumented immigrants trying to avoid deportation are entitled to collect and submit evidence hire an attorney if they can afford one and make their case before a judge. as it stands, the u.s. government's executive office for immigration review says it has roughly 350 such judges. the office says there is already a backlog of cases lasting six months. to accommodate 15,000 new deportations cases a day without extending the backlog time, agency experts say the government would need to hire an additional 40,000 administrative law judges. that's about how many u.s. students graduate from law school each year.
of course, anything is possible. if you have enough money and political will. [ ♪ ] donald trump has a long history of defying the odds. by many accounts he is a developinger turning these people against g.o.p.s. >> in conversation sends a signal donald trump's rivals are seizing the opportunity to ridicule his deportation plan. >> it is a silly argument. it's not an adult argument. it makes no sense realistic or not, donald trump's deportation plan has attracted many americans who say illegal immigration presents a major threat to the united states. these americans include conservative charles butler. back in april he wrote, deport all 20 million illegals in the country and put their employers in jail for 60
days for each one they employ. deporting 11 million over two years, that is 15,000 people arrested rounded up a day. how do you do that? >> well, you do it as mr trump had said, we just - we can do that. you have traffic stops, you have employment issues. you know, right now we're a country out of control. so you have to start somewhere. i think it starts with employment. you can't go to mexico and work without a work permit. if you're caught working without one, or without your pass tort, they put-- passport they put you in prison speaking of employment, i didn't mean to cut up off, how do you employ 40 thousand anyone strive-- administrative law judges to give due process? >> first of all, i don't think the people need due process. i think that representative of operation wet back you deport
people who are not here legally. why should they have due process. it should be dealt with in a proper manner. they're in the country illegally. they can't support themselves. where does the financial responsibility fall to? on the states on the government on the american people. that's not fair to get rid of due process, the supreme court, if law was passed, or a constitutional amendment, the court may say forget about the due process, but until they do that? >> there is - you know, when you have deportation proceedings, we need to speed up those so that people are deported not like what obama is doing, turning people around at the border and calling that deportation. we need to deport people who have come here, worked ilogly, whether they pay taxes or not or had children or not. there are always arguments that are being made that i think have already been addressed. we need to enforce the laws that
are already on the books. not create new ones. what i hear in the media and i heard your build up to this segment. these are all things that people want to throw into the pie. let's get to the text. let's do common sense approaches deporting people who are in the country illegally in even if they're agreed that they're law breakers, there is a cost of - it is estimated something like $10,000 per deportation to get rid of 11 million people. you're talking about spending 115 billion dollars over the next two years. >> let me say this. here in chicago the pressure that these people have put on our health care systems, our educational systems, our schools, we have a group here called oono, a group of latinos, 300 million dollars was given to them to build six schools. they wasted the money. it was in scandals. all because illegals did not
want to bust their children out of their neighborhood. this is what is going on here in chicago that's going on in chicago. i'm not so sure it's representative of all the illegal undocumented immigrants in the u.s., but we will talk about this on the other side of the break. never mind the financial cost, there is also a political cost of a deportation plan. we will talk about that with charles butler when on target returns. >> at 9:30 - "america tonight" - top investigative reporting, uncovering new perspectives. >> everything that's happening here is illegal. >> then at 10:00 - it's "reports from around the world". >> let's take a closer look. >> antonio mora gives you a global view. >> this is a human rights crisis. >> and at 11:00 - "news wrap-up". clear... concise... complete.
we are talking tonight about immigration and donald trump's plan to round up and deport all 11 million undocumented workers living in the you haves. critics say it is not only the wrong approach to the immigration system but it is totally unrealistic. those are not the views of charles butler. he is a trump ratty supporter. is it realistic simply given that most studies say the average undocumented immigrant has been here for 13 years. in other words, they have some deep roots in the community that they live in. it seems like that's going to be quit a disruption if you try to throw them out >> that a discussion to people who don't want to deal with the fact that americans are being displaced out of jobs, out of communities and i don't know about those statistics, but i do know when i look at the hospital
here in chicago, you look at hospitals in california, they are totally over burdened with illegal aliens who can't afford to pay bills, who are here, they're not working, they're not contributing. there's a study that came out that said 50% of illegals are on some form of social welfare benefits. that's wrong. you can't do that in another country. you can't go to italy and get on their social welfare program. i think we should take a page out of david cameron's book in the u.k. who this year is confiscating the wages of illegals, charging them for using the health care system and their educational systems. that's what we have to do for all the costs that they write to the united states, isn't there also a cost to our economy if we decide to rid of them given the census suggests that they are 5% - they come from 5% of the product. that's a trillion dollars that
you would be taking out of the u.s. economy at a time when we all want to fro the economy. >> i'm glad you brought that up. what we don't talk about is the $120 billion a year that immigrants send out of this country and out of the economy. that's why we have a flat grouts rate, something that weaver never experienced in the history of this country because no-one in mainstream media talks about the 120 billion dollars in remittances that leave this country every year. that himont roughly equates to 600 billion because it never circumstance lates in the american economy there's nothing illegal about anybody in the united states sending money to relatives over assess; there? -- over seas. >> the point is here in chicago the institute said that 52% of black males are unemployed. i say there was 60 a couple of weeks earlier, but there are - the real count in america eh americans being unemployed in america is about 30%.
those of us out here who are in the business and walking the streets, we see americans on the street without jobs. i see mexican citizens who are not american citizens driving ups trucks, fedex trucks. these guys have told me i'm not american. i'm from mexico a lot of the undocumented is are picking fruits and vegetables and the jobs that most americans simply don't want to do. >> that's not true. that is a fallacy. there's no fruit to be picked in chicago and i can tell you that we have a number of illegals working construction jobs, city jobs, they're doing a little bit of everything, driving trucks. a truck scandal which put governor ryan in jail had a number of illegal polls. mexicans who got drivers licence and couldn't read english.
that started that whole fire storm. they put him in prison fair point. what about the politics. >> let's talk about the politics there are so many that say it is hurting the republican parties. the mention of hillary clinton is not in the white house and make sure there's a conservative in the white house because there are a lot of other issues. isn't this political suicide to go down this path? >> no. because no-one talks about the american latinos who don't support illegal immigration and who don't support immigration period. in fact, when you look at any of the studies that i've looked at, illegal immigration is at best fourth on the list of latinos. my friends complain and call into the show and complain about
the biddings that illegals are getting you would acknowledge that if latino voters go to the democrats by 65 or 70% in this next election >> they're not going to do that go ahead >> i don't think they're going to do that. i don't see them doing that. as a matter of fact, i think the plug that is getting it wrong, it's just like with donald trump. i have supported donald trump from day one. donald trump says exactly same things that i said for the last 20 years about illegal immigration, about trade agreements, about the economy, about america. i want america to be great for americans again. that's why trump is res naturing with the american people and mainstream media and the g.o.p. establishment can't stand it, but remember ronald regan was the same way you would agree, though, that the republican matter does have to be careful both to appreciate and perhaps even amp
thighs to a certain extent with immigrants who are in this country and latinos who have a different brown to you and i >> illegal immigrants. we're talking about illegal immigration. i can tell you this. when i go to london or paris or italy or whenever i'm travelling, i always have a copy of my passport. i should have brought it with me. in my pocket. why? because that's the laugh. you can't be in those countries illegally. we have people here in chicago are killing people illegals, and leaving the city, the state free. they run traffic lights, they're abusive. you know, these people are lawless. in fact, if i get caught driving without my driver's licence, the police take me to jail. i asked them, what do you do if you catch an illegal. they say we can't do anything that is a great issue for another show pause there's all kind of stuff you opened up there. we look forward to having you back to talk about that and so much else. host of the charles butler show. thank you. >> thank you
convenientlies because they're not pretty enough. farmers turn billions of pounds of ugly or imperfect produce into mulch and lots of freak fruit and vegetables end up in the trash. there's a growing movement to get more of these uglys into stores, but the obstacles include a government grading system and hard economic realities. >> reporter: before this 6-year-old eats, his food will have travelled through a vast industrial system that ends at grocery stores where most americans buy fruits and vegetables. the global food change clues, farms, transport, and others to get paid. they want to ensure that the most marketable, the prettiyest fruits and vegetables get to stores. that means in a country where 48 million people don't have daily
access to healthy food, billions of pounds of less than perfect produce never makes it into shopping carts or veiten. >> we have all of these produce being wasted. >> reporter: this is a 6 year old boy. a nutritionist and an author of the book what the fork are are eating. >> they don't like anything too ugly. in turn 26% of our produce is bee rejected because of cosmetic standards. >> reporter: the cosmetic standards come from the u.s. department of agriculturery culture. they have produced tens of thousands of pages of pictures detailing reasons why fruit and vegetables should be divided into higher or lower classes. potato. notice the wrinkles versus grade 1. it's smooth >> i'm not putting the blame on the groc, er because i don't think it is just the growser. i think our government is involved in grading standards
that they create. >> reporter: the u.s. da rejects the argument that its standards lead to foot waste. in a statement to al jazeera it says changing them would not have an impact on businesses to choose to sell good looking product. they will find another way to make that distinction in the marketplace. it went on to say the produce industry requests grade standards to determine levels of quality and value in the marketplace. a small fraction of this unattractive produce ends up at food here. it is not the same as supermarkets. we saw some of these so-called uglys in a massive warehouse outside of manhattan. it is run by city harvest that helps feed new yorkers facing hunger. gym dunn is the associate director. >> people are used to seeing this. this looks great and looks better on a shelf. when people see something like this, i mean, i could - you
could drop this on your foot and break your toe with it. they're apprentice and-- comprehensive and most won't produce this. >> reporter: they collect from various places. gathering these are not cheap. most of the uglys do not reach the hungry. >> we do pay for transportation. we move up to 200,000 pounds a day out of the warehouse. that food comes in. it's out. >> reporter: if you weren't paying for that transportation, what would happen to it? >> i guess it would be plouged under. >> reporter: feed america is calling on the government to give farmers stronger tax incentives to make it worth it for them to collect and donate uglys, but advocate for these foods say government action alone is not enough to significantly cut food waste. >> we waste enough food in this country alone to feed the almost
one billion hungry people in the world. this is about the government, consumers and grocers and raising awareness on the issue at hand and everyone doing their part. >> reporter: magazine editor in chief gay a talk. >> if we can take what we once thought was ugly and see it as beautiful, we can reduce food waste and change the world. >> reporter: on the west coast a start up named imperfect is working with farmers to deliver ugly produce to subscribers on a weekly basis at lower prices than grocey store produce. it's an effort to get the private sector in uglys. back in new york this woman is helping the movement. she is feeding them to her family. >> this with gar lick-- >> reporter: what is this? >> i would call this a harvest sokotash.
you can just eat it straight. you can crush some wall nuts on top of it. >> reporter: this was the bruised pea and the awkward shaped apple. >> yes. it was blemished but inside beautiful. >> reporter: it certainly looks different. how did it taste? >> reporter: it was good. i will let you know that she is a chef hand so she can make anything taste wonderful the obama administration has this goal of cutting food waste by half over the next 15 years. are there some government standards though that are still standing in the way? >> reporter: there are. critics point to the standards and recognise that we live in a country where food is big business. food rots fairly quickly. the government standards are used by big companies to price food very, very quickly. most people can't touch an apple before they buy a million pounds of it. a grade 1 apple is priced at a certain level and same with grade 2. therefore, what critics are vague is if you really reduce
what is considered to be grade 1, then you're limiting supply and, therefore, known is going to-- no-one is going to pay for a dprad 2. that's the argument some people might pay for a disfigured fraught would be someone to chop it up and put in a can or process it. judge isn't there mark for them? >> supermarkets are saying we're not going to carry it because we don't think enough people will be willing. they may be willing to eat it but not buy it. incidentally walmart chop it up in a jam or a salad bar, but most people don't have access. they don't have that choice i've never seen a potato as large as the one you had in that piece. great stuff. we appreciate it. thank you. that is our show for today. i'm david schuster in for ali velshi. the news continues here on al jazeera america.
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