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tv   The Stream 2017 Ep 176  Al Jazeera  November 3, 2017 7:32am-8:01am AST

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what the un describes as ethnic cleansing aid groups are warning of the potential for a major cholera outbreak amongst the ranger they face poor sanitation and a lack of hygiene facilities in makeshift camps venezuelan president nicolas maduro says he plans to renegotiate all future foreign debt payments with banks and investors it's in response to financial sanctions imposed by the trumpet ministration the move will start after the state owned oil company makes its next debt payment the country has sunk into a deep recession following the collapse in oil prices the man charged with killing eight people in new york with a truck has told investigators he felt good about what he'd done twenty nine year old immigrants i fell asleep of said he was inspired by online i saw videos donald trump has called for side of to face the death penalty. and twitter says a rogue employee use their last day on the job to shut down donald trump's account on thursday it was reactivated eleven minutes later the company had initially said human error led to the brief closure of the account and twitter says it's working
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out steps to prevent such incidents ever occurring again well those are the headlines that he continues here on al-jazeera after the street station that's a much better. no president said that there would be a. happened. so are you saying the future of the. story.
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temporary protected status or t.p.s. is a program created by the u.s. congress twenty seven years ago it allows immigrants already in the u.s. to temper we live what they legally if they can't return to their home countries where there is no path to citizenship countries like el salvador have had their status renewed so yes we get this video for more.
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online members of congress have been tweeting a collective show of support in the last twenty four hours morning extension to the t.p.s. program which has multiple deadlines in coming months nancy pelosi the minority leader for the democrats in the u.s. house of representatives tweeted t.v.'s recipients have been contributing to local
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economies mation wide for years ending at what cost the u.s. dearly representative louise good yet as says we should not take hundreds of thousands of documented immigrants who are working illegally and push them into the black market on top democratic leader in the house to me hoyer tweeted this photo urging donald trump to extend t.p.s. activists have also been trying to raise awareness on twitter using hash tags a g.p.s. about what would. happened to recipient if the program is not extended for certain countries at least two hundred seventy three thousand u.s. citizen kids have parents under t.p.s. but others are pointing out that the program was always meant to be temporary geoffrey says there's no such thing as temporary protected status for any foreigners is protected status always finds a way to become permanent so joining us now in the sand least we have cynthia for us she's a lawyer with the coalition for human immigrant rights in massachusetts jessica for
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director of policy studies at the center for immigration studies and in florida where ham is a t.p.s. recipient of reaching from haiti hello everybody good to have you here ladies let me start with this protested this is you and your mother. did she tell you about the story of how she got to the u.s. what happened to her share it with us yes well first and foremost thank you for having me on i greatly appreciated in fact that is me and my mother at my swearing in ceremony when i was licensed to practice law in california my mother came to the united states in the mid one nine hundred eighty s. as a result of the civil war in central america and as a result she was designated with t.p.s. during this first round of t.p.s. beneficiaries in the united states she explained to me the reason why she came to the united states was because of the civil war in incredible violence and
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a lot of inhumane treatment of dora nationals and she had to cross multiple country. through various. train airplane to arrive to the united states in one thousand nine hundred six to provide her family. with a better life. just that this is a very compassionate program and what was the politics like at the time key remember do you recall whether lawmakers thought that this was a good thing that the u.s. could do some ava's other countries that was suffering it could have been from a natural disaster it could be from a political disaster. well it actually was never meant to help people who were suffering it was meant to help people who happened to be in the united states at a time of a catastrophic event in their home country to not have to return at the time that
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they were supposed to or to not be deported if they were found by u.s. immigration authorities so it's really not a humanitarian program as much as just. a way to put off deportation or put off return in the case of someone was a student and it was always meant to be temporary and that's part of the problem why i think there's a lot of impatience with this program now is because the conditions that led to this temporary. grant of status have for the most part resolved and yet over and over again it ministrations have renewed the so-called temporary status and allow people to stay here. so here's you're saying they're just i want to share two tweets from people online who say there is still value to the us for having this program this is a possible immigrant services which that is t.p.s.
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protects families assisted rebuilding of communities hit by war or disasters and promotes regional security so there's the value to the u.s. there someone also tweets and this is michelle and she says if the u.s. does not save t.p.s. it sends a message to the world that we want people to suffer they should become citizens not return to instability cynthia the last part there about returning to instability what would that look like for your mother in her case would it be instability that she would be returning to. will like to address the. idea that this is meant or was meant to be a temporary program and while that may be the case i think. understanding that it's a temporary program. but those individuals that have t.p.s. are only temporary and name they have permanent lives in the united states. and
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they should not be told and punished for in administrate of oversight that didn't designate what temporary actually meant with regards to. the question about my mother returning to all salvador i think there's instability in many parts of the world and what would be of importance for me to recognize is that yes there is instability however it would be irresponsible and i think on reasonable for us to believe that we can repatriate hundreds of thousands of people and that country would be any country not just al sabah door would be able to absorb them without a problem or without a hitch. meter many times how you came up in the program and how you got into the program for temperance protected status what happened. ok i was in hades since one
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thousand suns to doesn't and january eleventh i left there next day the adequate happened there so i sensed it doesn't and i'm leaving here i have my daughter she's seven years old and he was here i'm working taking care of her in haiti my mom here house is working out can my bureau make it was because my mother in our she living under the tents so they t.p.s. help me i work i can send money to her head and have been my daughter if i go home right now i'll be home yes because we are no house below. haiti cannot we see her because this massive deer they have called out can mightily cost a lot of color and it people do you know want it they have to work half an hour to get their water in there you hear half an hour to bring the big book it over your head to bring the order home people are dying do you see they don't have no
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ambition as if you see exactly happening to you you can add color and be nice to get people dying mutilation axiom to the people in the united states because immigration is such a hot topic right now who think you should just go home the earthquake is done and you should go back home to haiti what would you tell them. i would tell them it's not soo for me to go back haiti because haiti if i go back i don't have no work not your no house to the people who live there they are now you calling from flint calling me every day for me to call you and you walk in and only one who walk in here and support my mother and myself and i'll be sit right with my daughter she will be here by herself i have to be with her to get a chance have to be with her kids for their education i cannot go home and leave my
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donor year so i'm glad you raise the issue of children and what happens to those families or what might happen to those families who actually got to video comments from people facing similar circumstances the first is belinda she's a t.p.s. recipient from one door as and the second is added when he's a t.p.s. recipient originally from el salvador just to have a listen to what they told the story. my name is ben you know so you and i have lived in the us for twenty six years and i have. been for nineteen this program has helped me to work it's terrifying me here in the u.s. . myself and all others in this program to give them my country to rid of c.b.s. will force us to return to our home countries and leave our families behind that will be devastating to my family and i because i'm not taking them to a dangerous going tree that is so i mean the end suddenly i'll say to return to. my
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one friend i we have three years we have two american cities and daughters for my family and their family lives of all t.p.s. . i ask into the congress united with very and their ministration. police say t.p.s. and permanent rest for all. families so just what do you make of that argument that this wells split apart family. well i i would hope that people would take their families with them if their temporary protected status ends and of of course like people like me are to have family back in haiti that they could. you know be with also if they were to return home i mean you know what i think of though i have a friend whose name is don rosenberg and he lives in california and he was permanently separated from his son who was killed by
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a man from honduras who had t.p.s. who was not following the laws here not contributing is it as i'm sure many of the folks on this program are so there are some human cost to americans too for for having programs like t.p.s. when congress you know just can't get up the nerve to do what it should do and say that people are going to be expected to return home of course we have people in america who don't have jobs don't have homes have difficulty supporting their families as well and we also have a legal immigration system and so i think people have to ask themselves if it's really fair to the people who qualify to come in through our legal immigration program and who have families sponsoring them or employers sponsoring them if we look the other way at people who have come into the country illegally and allow them to stay permanently and there are all kinds of effects when we don't control
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the region and i'd like to add there are so far we. do they think should not be allowed to humans aren't. permanently p.p.s. even if your hands are tight because you speaking as a desk and we cut holes to stop that salt it's all red so let's just start afresh again. so i'd like to interject i can appreciate the anecdote that jessica just shared but i'd like to present the fact that all humans are complex with. different backgrounds different lived experiences different traumas and while i very fundamentally. share my sympathies for folks that have lost individuals in any act of violence i think it's incredibly unfair to use that anecdote to to absolve ourselves of the responsibilities that yes in fact if t.p.s. is not extended there will be a separation of families that could lead to incredible trauma of intergenerational
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trauma that i know central americans have been experiencing for a very long time and if we're talking about this expectation that t.p.s. beneficiaries return to their countries of origins with u.s. citizen children we have to also think about the dangers that we might be placing on those u.s. citizen children of t.p.s. beneficiaries upon returning to a country which they do not identify with. or do not understand the cultural norms in those countries and so i think the point here is to really underscore that t.p.s. beneficiaries have been residing in the united states some of which for over two decades some of what with t.p.s. for as long as one thousand years and they've been contributing and have been integrated into u.s. society and have paid consequences for any ills that they have done but
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also have reaped the benefits of being active participants in the united states economy and also civic engagement and so i think for me the important point to underscore is that t.p.s. beneficiaries many of which have u.s. citizen children and are part of mix that is families have contributed an insurmountable amount in terms of their socioeconomic contributions but also they cannot be. for an administrator's oversight when this that is the t.p.s. was designated it was truly mentally ill and a new strain of oversight i'm going to up a bit before i don't understand what you have brought about. by qualifying the program as temporary without having strict guidelines as to what temporary means whether it be four or five renewals and having the discretion to either renew or deny in. discretion of the department of homeland security or the attorney general
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that isn't administratively oversight you know i didn't read the bill you are big congress deliberately wrote to make it temper i mean they didn't make a mistake when they called it temporary protected status i thought it was because they didn't define what temporary meant sissons and jessica i'm just wondering whether there is just one naivety about this idea of allowing people who are already in the united states if they have trouble back at home to stay and not thinking that they're going to have roots have children have lives had businesses have mortgages i think it's much bigger than there was an earthquake in this part of the world you are a citizen of of that country we will look after you until you can go back home or we deem that it's ok for you to go back home so that there was probably more foresight needed as this temporary protection status program was put together there
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are no makers though in the u.s. who are thinking how do we fix this how do we make this better this is a representative from new york and he is talking about the contribution that t.p.s. recipients are making to the united states right now eighty percent are employed nearly ninety percent speak english twenty two percent arrived as children eleven percent. and then in florida south florida lawmakers are proposing a path to legal status for haitian t.p.s. recipients. what do you have what you know that there are still people who are not in agreement with how this has been implemented this is someone whose handle is title eight says i'm not unsympathetic but given early recipients now likely have u.s. citizen grandchildren t.v.'s is basically amnesty with a fancy name someone else might agree with that this is the f.g. who says amnesty is never the answer i don't care the age or the experience it
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rewards it encourages illegal entry and these overstays cynthia what do you make of those arguments well first i think there is an incredible lack of understanding with regards to what amnesty actually is this is not amnesty it was a program it's an administrative program and while i can understand where folks are a bit confused about a temporary status that has been renewed over periods of years some of which of course ranging to nineteen years. we have to take responsibility we have to take responsibility for having not provided a clear indicator of how many renewal periods each person was going to have that would qualify as temporary we cannot penalize t.p.s. beneficiaries for building out their lives in the united states contributing owning homes owning businesses having u.s.
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citizen children it's irresponsible at its core well larry let me ask you if people with temporary protected status were to be offered a green card and a path to citizenship which type of legal immigration do you think should be reduced to account for that and which people who are waiting for legal immigration green cards do you think should have to be wait while they are processed. i think those are very very different. protocols one is for t.p.s. beneficiaries that have resided in the united states they are not immigrating to the united states ok this is not a sterile sum game they currently reside and have their residing in the united states of course this administration has made it abundantly clear that they expect and in fact want to reduce immigration to the united states so i don't think that those that's even
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a. logical question maybe seven to seventy million day weekend when you know you actually have as a going to bring it because we have to actually has to address and she's in the program meter what you want to add go ahead please i honestly because we're on t.v.'s on of them we are on it had a working family i believe they should we need t.v.'s for us for it in months then after that the congressman would mr president bush to walk in and the congress to give us ten minute residence because we are not committed we had a working family we work here we all know and to come here to our money back to work to help our families i'm sure that's true and when i hear the stories of how much people with t.p.s. have have been working hard and saving money and buying homes and and what i think is what an asset you could be in your home country because we are the land to come here to i'm married because our country's not is not providing work for us we don't
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have work people finish school day graduate from university they'd still sit down they're not working that's why i'm standing haitian people you see their ticket bought all these signed deals done to i mean god to send back them to haiti they still pick up what they learned back these the bullet sic were dandy a lot of them die on the sea they try to come to our got to get better life better future for their children. you know that's what you meant you were that you didn't have the motivation that i mentioned being in an airline you mentioned t.p.s. recipients they could be an asset to their home countries there is someone here philip who helped out something to say about that he says the u.s. actually would lose one hundred sixty four billion dollars over a decade if el salvador honduras and haiti lose t.p.i. us there's an economic argument there he's saying you agree. well i think it's a little bit farfetched to suggest that a couple hundred thousand people in the united states would have some kind of huge
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economic impact if they were to depart to their home country i actually think there would be more of a positive economic impact for their home country if they were to return and use the skills and savings that they've acquired here in the united states to be a part of their community in their home country and you know i think that would be helpful to these countries and countries like i'm doris and i have said that they would welcome back people who have t.v.'s now on the day in their starting integration programs for them they're getting schools ready to accommodate their children in the event that. the united states decides to let the status expire teenagers are going to be out of the conversation here because well out of time but the uncertainty of the t.p.s. program is that we don't know if he'll from el salvador honduras whether you will have to go home in the next few months also that is the reality of being a t.p.s.
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