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tv   Inside Story 2018 Ep 237  Al Jazeera  August 26, 2018 10:32am-11:01am +03

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specific problem is not exactly massive fans of your country poll in two thousand and ten found that only fifty percent of pakistan administered kashmir pakistan or mr kashmir want to be part of pakistan only two percent of the people in indian administered kashmir i would i would be very happy if the people get the choice to choose between india pakistan or in the independence of independence i would be very happy if they choose an independent state all to go with. just they are always a policy that is absolutely the policy that india pakistan independent exactly just before i go to clarify for me explain to me is the current position of the pakistani government to have a referendum in kashmir with three questions on the on the ballot paper what i'm saying is pakistan is committed to the people getting the right to truth. that that is. the are completely committed to the united nations security council doesn't have his emotional stress one hundred percent. i'm that's not part of the resolution what i'm saying is that as far as as far as the kashmiri people is
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concerned your view is absolutely my view and i was here when you were in office as was my view when ok let's go to our audience for being very waiting very patiently here in the oxford union let's go to the lady just to further on the from here yes your party p.p.p. champions of democracy but feel student substance implemented even within your own party one but two follows the next you yourself are from a political family how do you expect there to be meaningful change in the country if the people in charge of that change got there because of who they're related to rather than what they've done for the country. i don't think you can single pakistan in that hillary clinton following president bill clinton there are many many examples all over the world and she served as a senator and secretary of state what below will bhutto do before you i'm going to leave you the university student the time yes. great town in pakistan you know his mother is right there so he's. there i know i think think i. clearly the fact of
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the matter is that in pakistan and in all developing countries it doesn't matter where you were born ok i have been born to a privileged background and i will not take that away from the fact that oh yes i believe every step of the way here i got there because i was the daughter of a father was already a politician that is the fact that is the reality how about changing that by giving opportunity to more people who are not maybe as privileged as i have been right and by institutionalizing those changes for instance in parliament today there are women who are nominated to political parties and many women from middle class background even or middle class background make it to parliament so they can institutionalize those changes so pakistan you know don't judge pakistan for hitters today judge pakistan for we're showing just one bill old daughter when he was appointed as to run the party he was a university undergraduate what was your reaction when you heard that news we still like you were when you had the below no no i was not really shocked not at all i think it was a great leader i just thought it was the most unexpected thing to do i'm being honest with you it was the most expected thing to do the pakistan people's party
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presence is just a name that's a fact ok let's go back to the audience because the gentleman here in the front row hundreds of the muslims in pakistan have been killed simply on grounds of faith whether it's in their mosques their homes or place of business how can pakistan in call kate a culture of tolerance when your own constitution and laws explicitly target and the muslims making it a crime punishable by three years present or by death under the blasphemy laws for an embassy to call themselves a muslim isn't it time pakistan repealed these laws and did it state sponsored persecution of enmities ok i'm embarrassed to be a pakistani when i remember the fact that the vite in our flag represents the right of minorities and there was a moment a legionnaire even before august one hundred forty seven said that you are allowed to go to your mosque you are allowed to go to it is not the business of state he said to question your religion i'm embarrassed that we've done to minorities what we've done. in pakistan i will accept it so just to be crystal clear in terms of
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policy levels things like a pakistani goes to get a passport has to declare the bodies are not muslim that's an outrage is it not i think that is completely unrequired that's my personal view ok let's go back to the audience judgement here in the second row with losses hi i'm david frum and x. and censorship the pakistani supreme court recently called for reform of the blasphemy laws and we welcome the first step given the way in which the law is used disproportionately against muslims abused to fulfill personal vendettas and in a way that encourages extradition punishments including killings but isn't it about time that pakistan all together abolished a law that is both counterproductive and really inconsistent with a basic right to free expression freedom of religion liberty of conscience ok can i correct your facts before place on to that it is not disproportionately. bent towards minorities and i'll give you a simple fact apparently in the period of two years and this is when i was in government so this is like two to two years back there were about three hundred
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cases under the blasphemy law which were which were put there out of that there were nine or ten which were against minorities and the rest of them were apparently against muslims and there's not a single person within pakistan who has been punished under blasphemy law ok so the blasphemy i'm not going to try and justify blasphemy law with your colleagues were murdered sorry your colleagues were murdered yes. to both of them were quote unquote government did nothing yes at that time our government believe that that was not the time to propagate this issue further because they could not get any results or what have you i'm just telling you i feel that in this year in two thousand and fifteen the supreme court judgement on that particular issue it basically indicates the stance that i mean talk why did you change the law during the sheriff's regime during which time there was a real effort to try and change the law there was huge resistance against it ok and they tanked we didn't. right that's again
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a reality we need to get pakistan out of this atmosphere of extremist thought and people fighting we created this circumstance or reason and i think this would be a natural step but i want to i want to know what is a very. genuine question was it because you feared for your life a lot of politicians saw but someone says that. it wasn't fair if your life as well as all people being killed i'm talking about them talking about. at that time people were scared for their lives people were being killed right in their intent or everybody was scared for the latest i'm going to want to read to get some audience questions back and let's go to a gentleman here i said a question about afghanistan and pakistan have any interest in seeing. democratic afghanistan and do pakistan's leaders have any vested interest in the continuation of the global war on terror i think it's the wrong question to ask i mean pakistan is probably the country which is the most affected because of instability war and strife in the understand whatever happens in afghanistan within
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minutes within seconds the borders then entered into our country so we have zero interest in strife in the one in fact let's go back to get some western and short ones as lady here in february two thousand and fifteen general musharraf admitted to guardian during the karzai regime. government government was working against afghanistan ordered into service intelligence to train the taliban and undermine afghan governments the question is why does controversial policy of love and hatred toward afghanistan i would not believe general musharraf is dumb enough to say something like that on record even if he was doing it so i cannot receive. villian he is i have i would i just don't more dishonest government no i was clearly not anywhere close to the foreign policy or security blanket every time there's a difficult question you're either in the room or not in the room the first you let's get you let me go to let you go yes you're the boss my name's came on i
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thought i met you in two thousand and twelve. and i asked you three questions afterwards i sigh officers approached me and they asked me why i had asked you those questions i had this time i workout perch by anyone so my question is you you said that and you say that you don't justify civilian deaths but recently. the leader of the taliban afghan taliban has been known to be injured and is being treated in a positive which is in pakistan some bludgeon was found in pakistan. is in pakistan . mullah omar died in pakistan so how can you justify civilian deaths there are three million afghans who are living in pakistan pakistan has tried very hard to put a biometric system in place pakistan has tried very hard to fence the border pakistan ports to be one hundred ninety six or even if that number three hundred ninety one border of course to check the movement off at pakistan and one funny then what does a lot of fun to put one hundred nine border post so we have tried very hard to convince our one friend that it is in our interest both of our interest to ensure
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that this border is manned properly so you stop blaming us for whatever happens we're going to use a gather tools to do that thank you thank you. ok to the work for something that's affected me and my family a very personal level is the systematic and ongoing genocide against shia muslims in pakistan in july twenty third teen there was an interview where you said that your government had a deep and abiding commitment to find those responsible and to prevent those going forward so can i ask what you specifically have done when you were in government to prevent those attacks. and why those have been so those actions were so unsuccessful because we still see increasing attacks and genocide again i'm not going to justify that that is part of in some ways related thing to the minorities because we have created this this is the mainstream which is sunni and muslim and everybody else is a minority and some is ok and we feel that what i'm saying is past policies in
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previous times have created this atmosphere where people are free to get that right that's true and policies have done the earth but do we have here is your government between between twenty eleven and twenty thirteen i believe more than a thousand years were killed in pakistan that was when you were foreign minister what practical steps did you take we're going to protect this minority is being killed you know we were we did try our best to give as much security because that's what you can do these are bad route deep rooted problems which cannot be done away with india's or months or even years you know i believe what is happening in pakistan what started happening in pakistan ten years back in terms of you have this huge military fighting all sorts of places being competent people out there with. the relentless killing of shias that has gone on for a long time and pakistan has suffered a massive sort of blow repeatedly over the last six months. and militants and terrorists have been killed in police encounters in pakistan more than once so
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there's there's no question that there's blowback against those policies but the point is that these these issues are going to take a long time because of let's go to the lady there is waiting there and yes to the public. so my question is related to the army's interference in the pakistani government it's a very basic thing when will pakistan be free from interference in governance and become a credible nation for itself for its neighbors and for the rest of the world when pakistan has had longer then it said under constitutional rule pakistan is on its way to the. you need to give this country time i am the first one to accept that pakistan has suffered greatly because of these constant military takeovers are we haven't had to run a constitution which goes even into a decade we're a very very young nation democratically we are tiny be a puny billion in the current give us time ok let's take the question here for the
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children in my name as a religion i'm from baluchistan in a decade over fourteen thousand people have become the victim of inforce disappearance with journalists intellectuals students bodies being dumped on the roadside and my question is either of you have to believe that your government was complicit in the atrocities or you have just adopted a silence on those atrocities into such a state when we come into power president announces cease fire that lasted six months so clearly we are complicit in two thousand and ten we give the first broad clemency for anyone who wants to come for dialogue you know i have no reason to doubt what you're saying but sixteen thousand doesn't look like a correct number because the commission that was formed. look it doesn't hundred persons or you know close to that and out of that the underdog which were taken to
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the commission is one hundred eighty seven ok last question. from india how are you planning to bring peace. considering again. to just want to be with. we just want them to have the right to get them with the to agree to that i mean get promised in the us through to the same. i'm not optimistic mode depending on which angle you look at it we're going to leave it there in a rabbani khar thank you for joining me on head to head thanks to our panel and audience here in the oxford union head dad will be back next week and we'll be talking about india which i'm sure he will be pleased to hear when we talk about india and had to have next week so do join the program again then good luck.
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full of pleasure. out of the good in this. but i mean. i want to be an intimate look at life in cuba today it is working. but the comment that my cuba on al-jazeera. this is al-jazeera. hello i'm still robin you're watching the al-jazeera news our life my headquarters here in doha are coming up in the next sixty minutes former u.s. presidential candidate john mccain has died we'll look back at his life and legacy . also the pope meets with abuse survivors during his trip to ireland and offers an
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apology from the catholic church. the new restrictions in peru keep thousands of venezuelans from fleeing the crisis in that country also. calling it genocide remembrance day goes protest a year after a deadly crackdown by the million mom military. welcome to the news you know u.s. senator john mccain has died at the age of eighty while the announcement of his death came less than forty eight hours after his family said mccain was ending medical efforts to treat his brain cancer john mccain was the two thousand and eight republican party presidential nominee. a distinguished military veteran mike hanna takes a look back at his life was from prison off war to presidential candidate in two
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thousand and eight john mccain mounted a challenge against barack obama but lost in a landslide my friends we have we have come to the end of a long journey. people have spoken and they have spoken clearly he returned to the senate where he served as a senator for arizona more than thirty years after the war hero posts in the trump election a man with whom mccain had a prickly relationship in the past which did not improve senator mccain emerged as the conscience of the republican party in pushing back against several actions of a president who was the party's new voice on the trump travel ban i think the effect will probably in some areas give isis some more propaganda we don't want to shake news on threats against the media when you look at history the first thing the dictators do is shut down the press and i'm not saying that that's that the president trump is trying to be a dictator i'm just saying we need to learn the lessons of history. on the likely
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reaction of past leaders to claim soft alternative facts they would be alarmed by the growing inability and even an willingness to separate truth from lives senator mccain served in the vietnam war has aircraft shot down over her noyo he broke his leg and arms suffered torture and spent more than five years as a prisoner of war before returning to the u.s. as a war hero a description he humorously undercut during this visit to the libyan city of benghazi in two thousand and eleven they also served in the united states navy for many years i was a pilot. but i'm not a very good pilot i was shot down diagnosed with cancer and recovering from head surgery john mccain received a standing ovation when he returned to the hill for a crucial senate vote in the motion is agreed to. he followed the republican line
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in voting to open a debate on repealing the affordable care act but in his speech was deeply critical of a senate that he described as more. and more tribal than ever before let's trust each other let's return to regular order we've been spinning our wheels on too many important issues because we keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle and a few days later in the early hours of the morning john mccain put principle before party. defying immense republican pressure to support a bill repealing barack obama's health legislation he's back. and in that moment he rose above the senate mired in endless squabble offering the hope that governance by consensus rather than by command could still be possible. that right at times john mccain could be wrong but on this dramatic night he demonstrated
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truth to himself and to the country he devoted his life to serving. correspondent who is live for us in washington d.c. and really the tributes coming in for a man of great political stature and a fighter to the end with of course brain cancer. that's right so hell there are attributes flowing in by the thousands on twitter and elsewhere from ordinary citizens as well as from prominent politicians from both the republican and democratic parties and we saw in my cannas obituary story just a few moments ago how many times senator john mccain clashed with president donald trump and how donald trump when he was running for president actually mocked in a sense mccain's capture as a prisoner of war during the vietnam war and his detention under harsh conditions in a north vietnamese prison well tonight president trump issued
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a very brief statement by twitter saying my deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of senator john mccain our hearts and prayers are with you no mention of mccain's personal service to the united states his war record or his political career in that two sentence tweet from the white house of kools. also looking at tributes from across the political spectrum from the media from celebrities from hollywood stars i think brocket bob has also been tweeting to. that's right exactly a sale i'll read you a part of president obama's tweet former president obama's tweet he said john mccain and i were members of different generations came from completely different backgrounds and competed at the highest level of politics but we shared for all our
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differences a fidelity to something higher the ideals for which generations of americans and immigrants of like have fought marched and sacrificed few of us have been tested the way john once was or required to show the kind of courage that he did and. i would mention as a an anecdote that shows the kind of politician the quiet kind of band that john mccain was there was an incident during the campaign in two thousand and eight when he was falling behind president then senator barack obama looked like he was heading towards a defeat which did turn out to be a landslide a woman in a rally came up with the microphone took the microphone and said some things of obama calling him an arab saying he was unpatriotic a danger to the country instead of stepping down into the gutter as some politicians are want to do mccain took back the microphone reassured the woman said
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no ma'am he's a fine american and a family man we just have some political differences so that is a quality of restraint and you military and decency that is all too lacking in this city today indeed let's just pick up not only on that comment from you rob but also from something that might kind of sit in his package and if it's not being called in shifts his conscious always played at the forefront of his political decisions he really in recent years perhaps paid became the conscious of america with issues such as immigration affordable health. being so passionately debated of course you know you drove around the country they must resonate with the people that you meet on a day to day basis whether they like to move didn't like him he was certainly a man who created debate and created conversation about the issues that mattered to americans here and now he was a very well liked figure he was called
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a maverick he was you murderous person he was very well liked by by the press who followed him and it would be difficult to find people republicans or democrats who really disliked john mccain and you're right he did become his stature grew i think in contrast to the rise of donald trump when many people were dismayed by the behavior of the then candidate and now president trump his rhetoric his behavior his scandals etc and mccain. seemed to stand in stark contrast to that as kind of the conscience of america and now his is passing of course comes at this incredibly stressful moment during the trumpet ministration and reminds people of that sharp contrast for the moment
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believe it of course will become about you through the dems will be very busy day with tributes coming in robert in washington d.c. let's cross over. to the american capital with bill schneider who's a political analyst i'm sure you heard what rob had to say that bill good to have you with us on the program again in your opinion how do you think john mccain will be remembered. he's a beloved figure not primarily for his ideology or his partisanship which are overvalued these days but because of his personal qualities i remember covering the twenty eight republican primaries and we wondered how did john mccain do so well among republicans when he departed from conservative orthodoxy on a lot of issues the answer was his votes came from republicans who admired him as a person as a heroic figure as a person of great moral leadership they admired his record his experience his values it was very very personal for most voters not just republicans who supported
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john mccain and some democrats who supported him as well how did this sort of own life experience that and his his captivity in vietnam for five and a half years mold him into this man of politics that people respected really across the political spectrum when he was captured in vietnam he refused to be released he north vietnamese offered to release him because of his personal stature and his father was a navy naval officer and he refused to be released unless other officers were released at the same time and so he actually extended his captivity on the basis of principle and that established his image forever as a man of high principle in fact i would argue that donald trump's the lowest moment came during the campaign when he insulted john mccain and said he was captured i don't like people who were captured and that was an unforgivable statement and it was i think donald trump's the lowest moment in politics in terms of what john
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mccain achieved as a politician in the senate what you think were the most sort of pivotal political moments for him. well in the senate is certainly was a strong strong supporter of the iraq war which turned off a lot of democrats but he was also a strong supporter of defense of the military which is the background he came from whenever there was a threat or a danger to military spending or to any kind of military preparations john mccain would come to the rescue of his beloved military and of the pentagon that really alienated some democrats who are otherwise sympathetic to him but it made him a hero among defense intellectuals and among americans who supported an aggressive and a leading american role in the world which we seem to have be we could be abandoning now under the current president often we see politicians who reach the end of the political career perhaps have regrets about some of the decisions or some of the
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positions they have it took for want to try and rectify that legacy dare i say it's with john mccain this whole issue one word the consciousness of america becomes quite evident in the final years before his death do you think that was all moments of regret or reflection that perhaps transformative and molded him into the man that we remember in twenty eighteen well. i know when he first ran for president it was in the year two thousand he lost the nomination to george w. bush he ran as a bipartisan figure he got a lot of support from democrats that year because he had a great campaign theme straight talk it was the perfect theme after eight years of bill.

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