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tv   The Listening Post 2018 Ep 30  Al Jazeera  August 26, 2018 5:32pm-6:02pm +03

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and therefore they were conquered and exploited and oppressed for two centuries and one of the main traumas and main main themes that you constantly hear in the middle east today by palestinians by syrians by egyptians by iraqis is this complaint about how the west exploited the us and how the west concord and so forth which all goes back to this basic finked that the middle east did not industrialize on time and it's now happening again in the middle east is again missing the terrain the chinese have learned the lesson the chinese have learned from his own national if they had the same national trauma and china now has kind of for one pointed mind we it's not going to happen to us again this time this revolution the ai revolution we will lead and it will be the west who will be left behind and you see now that the like that the europeans are terrified that the chinese are getting ahead of them
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but in the middle east everybody almost everybody are oblivious of it and despite their trauma from the industrial revolution they are again missing the train and this time it's the last train and when was the does a revolution you still had a chance to catch up so china managed to catch up turkey to a large extent manage to catch up with this strain of ai and bioengineering if you missed this you will never have another chance because the implications are so huge this will change humanity itself and what i see now when they look at the greater middle east is that in the it's almost hopeless and they are kind of. writing their future a future of subjugation and exploitation and a lot of anger and hatred but the scenes are planted no end not by america
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not by china not by japan it's planted by the people in the middle east who are not being aware of what is happening on the on the greater scale of history. let's stay with current politics one one more question probably can gradually congratulate each other for not yet talking about donald trump all this way out of this interview but we can't avoid and. if we can try. if he if his rise to the presidency is the result of the kind of forces you've been talking about you know treat a retreat towards nationalist old fashioned troops in the face of this great change in the face of. a lack of faith in the in the liberal story. that may be the case but he has a lot of agency in his role you know i mean do you see him whatever collection of neurons and biochemical impulses can constitute donald trump do you see him that person as
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a potential threat and what kind of you know how do you view his his his actions and the consequences thereof present again i don't i'm not an expert on american politics and i don't understand what's happening inside the usa but when you look at the bigger picture of the world what you can say about donald trump or what he's doing over the last two years is one very big and important thing he's doing he's destroying the u.s. alliance system all over the world i don't know why he's doing it but in a very systematic way he kind of his of they're our friends let's destroy that they're our friends let's eliminate them these any in ating america's friends in north america are kind of there in mexico or in western europe in their in their in the far east. in south korea japan is in a systematic way for reasons i cannot fathom he's destroying the greatest achievement of the of the u.s. foreign policy for decades and decades to build this alliance this global alliance
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system which was the basis for the world order and he doesn't seem to have an alternative world order to what will fill the vet of the vacuum when i listen to what people like trump like. the brick sitters like the leaders now in italy and several other countries what is their vision not of italy not of the us not a thing hungary what would happen to the world how would the board look like the other big pressure on that front is the ever expanding economic growth and success of countries that previously have been the the suppliers of labor and materials to the to the richer world and growing middle classes around the world wanting the same kind of lives that those in the west has been enjoying in the decades up until now. how does the liberal world order sort of marshal
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itself to deal with that because unless you have some oppressive regime saying no you can't have that then that's going to inevitably happen and put greater pressure on the resources of the planet well you it won't work and it will be extremely unfair to turn a billion chinese well you can't live like americans because the planet can't bear it so we continue to live like americans but you can't that's that's not a viable option are what you can do is two things first of all develop new eco friendly technologies so you can have two cars but they cause follows pollution you can eat meat but you don't raise cows in order that every chinese can have a steak for dinner you just grow a steak from sells what is known as clean meat which causes far less ecological problems and far less misery to the cause because there are no cause or so this is one direction. invest in new eco friendly technologies the other direction
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is to change our understanding of the good life because even if you look at the americans and their affluent society it doesn't seem that you know it really is like the commercials on television where the television promises you paradise but if you look at the lives of americans in many cases it it doesn't really feel like paradise even if it looks like paradise on t.v. so i think we need to recalibrate our understanding of the good life of the happy life and to. release ourselves from the consumerist fantasies which don't really bring us happiness but do destroy the planet let's talk about about animals for a while i mean that has been a theme of yours as well over the years. here in israel we have a prime minister who likes to make powerpoint presentations one of them involving
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the world's most productive cow if he was trying to sell it as the world's most miserable cow which it probably also is might not be quite so successful. how urgent do you think the issue is in the way that we treat animals because this this book which does address our current moment doesn't really feature those arguments as strongly as some of your previous work you've talked about it potentially being the greatest crime ever the industrialization of agriculture and the suffering that it causes so how much of a duty do we have to address that as well as the as well as our own plight going forward oh i think we have a duty towards also beings both of the wild animals which we are driving to extinction and the farm animals the domesticated animals which we haven't a slave to and that now are basically we treat them as machines for producing milk
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and eggs and meat for us and they are probably the most miserable creatures that ever existed science now tells us in the clearest way possible that all mammals and birds have in mind the conscious sentience beings they can feel not just physical pain they can feel loneliness they can feel fear they can be very very miserable and our other cultural habits just ignore all that completely it's just a question of how do you get the most milk out of that car and how much misery we are inflicting on the call nobody cares and people should should realise that every glass of milk they drink it comes at the cost of creating a lot of suffering to to cause and to cause cause never. use milk for people there is no such thing in nature you don't see cars producing milk for
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wolves or pansies they don't produce milk for humans either because produce milk for only one reason to feed their young so the entire dairy industry is built on getting the coal pregnant she gives birth to a calf then she produces milk for the cough but then the human separate the car from the car usually they slaughter the colorful for meat and then they milk the cow for the milk until it dries up and you do the cycle over and over again and aside from the terrible physical conditions in which the animals are kept in these cramped tiny cages it's repeatedly it the whole industry is based on breaking the most important born and emotional bond in the mammal kingdom the bond between mother and offspring every glass of milk comes from breaking the bond between a mother and her offspring and people just don't know it they go to the supermarket
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and take a carton of milk and they don't see the misery that is behind this carton so that's the problem what's the solution is it advocating veganism and vegetarianism is it waiting for technological solutions like the impossible burger you know meat grown from grown from cells how how does this get sold and you know what should we do well on a personal level you can make a choice to limit your involvement in the meat and dairy industry you don't have to go all the way if you just of void meat even once once a week one day a week without meat this it's a good step it's a step in the right direction but realistically i don't think you can convince the whole of human kind to start of voiding milk and meat and eggs and i guess for every say israeli who is now we're stopping to eat meat and becoming a vegan. there are ten chinese who start eating meat previously they didn't have
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the money to do so so the real solution i guess would come from technology and what you know what you call the impossible burger is not impossible anymore you can grow meat from cells you don't need a cow to have a steak previously this was the case but no you can just grow says that the meat from cells and the first clean me tumble girl humble runs from the cells cost about three hundred thousand dollars this was five years ago now it costs about ten dollars and we can hope that with proper research and investment in ten years or fifteen years you can have a clean meet which tastes like just which is real meat it's not some plant based substitute and which is cheaper more ecological and far more ethical then than slaughtered meat finally some of your harsher reviewers would have said that
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you are good at diagnosing the trends and the problems but you are less forthcoming when it comes to proposing solutions and answers and we've tried to knock late yourself against that by saying that's not really your job but but how do you answer that charge well it's true it's much harder to find solutions but it is also very hard to just pinpoint the problems and the questions and then to give the example of brecht's it the problem with brooks it was not the wrong solution it was the wrong questions and when you look at the discussion in the public people hardly talked about the real problems about the river or the real issues they hardly talked about the enormous role of the european union in ensuring peace they didn't talk about whether brics it will help us regulate bioengineering so the problem was dissed that they were distracted from the main questions so i said. my main job at present in just bringing clarity by making people focus on the most
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important problems then comes the issue ok so what are the solutions and actually in many cases we do know what the solutions are it's just difficult to implement them especially with of global cooperation and with climate change we don't know what are the solutions it's no longer a big mystery we know what kind of the cannot g.'s we need to develop and we can do it we know what kind of environmental regulations we need to enforce and we can do it but the problem is there is no political will so and a i and bioengineering it's far more complicated because nobody knows where it's going and nobody knows what. what kind of possibilities are opening before us but even here there are many things we can do the problem is the lack of political
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will and even more the lack of attention if people focus on these issues i don't think the solutions are also difficult you don't hurry thank you very much for talking to others or thank you it was my pleasure. the latest news as it breaks things that you manage to be holding on to this road as they walk about about an hour and a half in that direction we detailed coverage black in america never before seen such a staggering number of refugees living in one country from around the world the project raised questions right from the very start that this entrance cost two hundred thousand dollars to build. and nine hundred seventy eight. disappeared after boarding. a plane to libya. for over thirty s.
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his disappearance remained transit in mystery. but after colonel gadhafi is downfall in two thousand and eleven new evidence came to light. al-jazeera world investigates the case of the vanished in. and out to syria one of the really special things about working for al jazeera is that even as a camera woman i get to have so much empathy and contribution to a story a feel we cover this region better than anyone else would get what it is you know it's very challenging they believe but declared because you have a lot of people that are divided on political issues we are we the people we live to tell the real stories are just mended is to deliver in-depth journalism we don't feel inferior to the audience across the globe. whether on line this isn't some abstract fish can eat a bit into their shops or if you join us on sect rather than stopping terrorism
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it's creating a base is a dialogue then just the community is want to add to this conversation we need a president who's willing to be a villain or a short while everyone has a voice and part of civil society i get off but i never get listening to by those in the corridors of power or join the global conversation. on how to zero. one of the symbolic ways president offer a closely contested election and the legal challenge. and welcome to al-jazeera live from my headquarters in doha would be elizabeth
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brand also ahead to u.s. republican senator and former presidential candidate john mccain has died after a year long battle with brain cancer. of gonna stand national security adviser steps down amid reports he could challenge president in next year's election plus. this month's devastating floods we're looking at whether the state's all important tourism industry can bounce back. and the son of god was expected to be inaugurated as president shortly the country's top court rejected a legal challenge by the main opposition leader nelson chamisa off a month ago was declared the winner of last month's presidential vote well the court's ruling that a fair election process took place will be important in persuading the international community to lift sanctions. will face the challenge of trying to
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move them away from the shadow of robert mugabe's thirty seven year old ninety three year old mugabe was removed by military intervention last november that then vice president biden god was appointed interim president he had been mugabe's right hand man on to the fallout with his wife grace my god we're now one. in last month's election the first posts and the pendants vote without mccarthy but the opposition has refused to accept what it calls fake results let's go live to head out in our correspondent how to toss is joining us from the national sports stadium where the inauguration is taking place so what are we likely to hear harder when we finally hear from mom and dad were. well he has the right you know out by the state actually just walking into the stadium he's going to walk around the stadium and reach people without hearing you walk in when you finally meet you would not be talking about unity you know you
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know you won the league you need not mention even the main opposition leader has a lot of support he down have to try and convince me that he will be a president for everyone not just for vanity if people also want to know about it cabinet is going to be if you're going to be old was he going to. play into it he declined to meet some opposition leaders in the new cabinet and more importantly he's going to give now continue live in a knowledge of some kind of condition in a new government a little less how do we can say from the from those live pictures from where you are that man and god who are the ruins out of here clearly does have support despite the main opposition m.d.c. and lead and else in tunis or you know insisting that they won that the election where does the opposition go from here is there a possibility that you may have could be a part of the government. and. ragged
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might even lose but i think he would talk iraqi opposition well we know that you're going to have a meeting a party meeting on wings than at that meeting they going to be a way forward and when they were we hearing that they could want to approach the united nations the african union and the regional body that it to intervene in my way trying to raise some kind of dialogue with them when i got one. we also learned that they haven't ruled out street protests but that is also to take a look at the bodies are concerned that it could go into the streets right police and the army could be deployed we're also hearing speculation that there are some senior people in the m.d.c. alliance who are unhappy with nelson chamisa saying that he failed that he promised them to go for morgan tsvangirai that he was going to win the election he couldn't have called into the court and then saying that he was young he's experienced in terms of politics and maybe he should go you voted like he put up a fight if that is indeed what happens if you don't go it may not be e.d.s. like i say look trying to fight but it was an exhilarating taking twenty three we
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could see a lot of people by first position right now the prisoners right here at the podium the national anthem is being sung and you know shortly should be torn in as president of the bar when it's actually very much for that for now that is how the mythos of joining us live from the national sports stadium thank you. well let's move on to other news now and u.s. senator john mccain has died at the age of eighty one had been suffering from brain cancer mccain spent more than five years as a prisoner of war in vietnam and more than three decades as a republican senator in two thousand and eight he ran for president against and then senator barack obama mike hanna looks back at his life thank you from prisoner of war to presidential candidate in two thousand and eight john mccain mum to the challenge against barack obama but lost in a landslide my friends we have we have come to the end of a long journey. american people have spoken and they have spoken clearly he
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returned to the senate where he served as a senator for arizona more than thirty years at war hero this in the trump election a man with whom mccain had a prickly relationship in the past which did not improve senator mccain emerged as the conscience of the republican party in pushing back against several actions of a president who was the party's new voice on the trump travel ban i think the effect will probably in some areas give isis some more propaganda we don't want to shake news on threats against the media when you look at history the first thing the dictators do is shut down the press and i'm not saying that that's that that president trump is trying to be a dictator i'm just saying we need to learn the lessons of history. on the likely reaction of pasta leaders to claims off alternative facts they would be alarmed by the growing inability and even on willingness to separate truth from lives senator
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mccain served in the vietnam war is a shutdown over her noyo he broke his leg and arms suffered torture and spent more than five years as a prisoner of war before returning to the u.s. as a war hero and description he humorously undercut during this visit to the libyan city of benghazi in two thousand and eleven they also served in the united states navy for many years he was a pilot. but not a very good mileage i was shut down diagnosed with cancer and recovering from head surgery john mccain received a standing ovation when he returned to the hill for a crucial senate vote and the motion is agreed to. he followed the republican line in voting to open a debate on repealing the affordable care act i didn't his speech was deeply critical of a senate that he described as more partisan and more tribal than ever before it's
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trust each other let's return to regular order we've been spinning our wheels on too many important issues because we keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle and a few days later in the early hours of the morning john mccain put principle before party. defying immense republican pressure to support a bill is repealing barack obama's health legislation he's back. and in that moment he rose above the senate mired in endless squabble offering the hope that governance by consensus rather than by command could still be possible for. the right at times john mccain could be wrong but on the strong magic night he demonstrated truth to himself and to the come. three he devoted his life to serving . well let's get more on john mccain now joining us from western germany is rather
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a. former failed director with the syrian emergency task force and she accompanied john mccain during his trip to syria in two thousand and thirteen very good to have you with us on al-jazeera i believe that you actually arranged that two thousand and thirteen trip why was it so important for john mccain to go to syria. so thank you for having. and it's one hard to. really mean a silence to you it was very sad while all this you've been active in everywhere in the work you know this. you know what. was the reality there when you live when you cross the syrian activists and he went well we went with him in syria to meet with the free syrian to deliver a message that the war and the syrian revolution. and. the people of the dinner and democracy and he and he was telling everyone he met with syrian
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people when you live and you are away from ought to go away i am on that island which they saw and the during don't work for the last year and what was you know your sort of personal experience of him myself. he trusted me you trusted in what you have been doing you went with me to syria by all of the rejection from this department he went he put all his entire life in the hands of an activist and went with her to deliver a message that don't work and to be against obama's administration who didn't support our revolution and our rights and believes for democracy and human rights he when he was courage person he is fired me like millions of people who are inspired by him and so given all that you know has the syrian opposition lost an important ally today would you say i don't see that
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a lot i think that the true democracy is want to fight for what it's worth the loss and struggle i will never hear regret that the syrian revolution happened at really what kristie is it's something. that's. i'm afraid that's all the time we have but we thank you very much for your time on this that's. joining us live from dressed and thank you. two of the artist are now with the national security advisor mohamed haneef up my has resigned but the government under increasing pressure after a spike in fighting with the taliban well some reports suggest upwell could be preparing to challenge president gunning in next year's election as resignation has been accepted by god but he's rejected the resignations of the ministers of defense interior and head of the national directorate of security that everyone gathers a political analyst and writer and kabul and he says public criticism and pressure
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led to the resignation. of the security situation inside afghanistan was. especially on the girls in the province to take on the president. even as a deal was going to come game and year criticism public criticism in a was under pressure due to. to encounter this pressure more high officials security of shows they have presented to resign in the first was a mr minister. who resigned from his position and he worked for the last four years he was under criticism and your work. going on inside the pillows and the people who are now. fifteen years in the position that is why he resigned and to know i knew what.
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the national security advisor is appointed who was previously working the investor to united states publicly going to mit is under pressure in criticism now president going to may decide you know he has to take action and bring somebody farms in intelligence and also security sector because our take on presidential palace was absolutely an intelligence failure that is why. need much coordination and much reforms have to. be adopted in the security sector and also in the defense. still ahead on the bulletin but funds was made survivors of abuse that island and apologizes on behalf of the catholic church i am fifty years after the one nine hundred sixty eight riots at the democratic national convention and chicago anti-government protesters are back on the streets.


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