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tv   The Bottom Line 2019 Ep 1  Al Jazeera  October 23, 2019 3:32am-4:01am +03

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over an increase in the cost of train tickets that has since been scrapped but protesters now say they are fighting government oppression. an iraqi government inquiry has found security personnel used excessive force against protesters during the recent wave of anti-government demonstrations at least a 157 people mainly civilians were killed during weeks of protest and pakistan's government has taken diplomats and journalists to villages along the line of control that divides the disputed kashmir region and some about his artillery fire from the indian side on sunday damaged houses and businesses dead he says it was targeting terrorist training camps those you headlines the news continues on al-jazeera after our new discussion show from washington d.c. the bottom line.
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hi i'm steve clemons and i have a question the impeachment investigation of president trump may have begun but where does it end let's get to the bottom line. is super divided america your views on one picture are very strong indication of where you stand on donald trump's impeachment look at this picture. what do we see the speaker of the house nancy pelosi standing with mostly white men all around some of them are grimacing and she's pointing at the president if you see the leader of the democrats disrespecting the president united states you are probably anti impeachment but if you see an act of brave to finance a lone woman holding the president accountable then you're probably pro impeachment that's how divided the united states has become so is impeachment going to be a spark for an irreconcilable divorce between the people who live inside america or
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will it be a process that allows us to quote get over it to coin a trump team fortunately we have 3 people in the room that have all 'd the answers greg craig the former lead defense attorney for president bill clinton during his impeachment in 1988 and former white house counsel under president obama john fredericks chairman of the trump for president campaign for the state of virginia 2016 and advisor to trump 2020 and a host of the john fredericks radio show which i have been a guest on and margaret carlson columnist for the daily beast and the 1st female columnist for time magazine thank you all very much for joining us today and we're going to try and get to you know as much of this impeachment story on the table as we can margaret let me just ask you for a moment to kind of tell me what the dashboard looks like as a person who has not really kind of gotten into the story an impeachment what are the priority concerns how is this shaping out from your perspective so may i just go back to your intro for a moment and point at you as nancy pelosi did and say that in any encounter between
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the speaker and the president the speaker always comes out ahead because she knows how to deal with an unruly child. and on impeachment. the president has lately decided to call it a lynching. which is a fighting word if i've ever heard one but his his colleagues on the hill have not embraced that word because they're trying to find some way in which they protect their own. office and don't jeopardize it but aren't totally in trump's camp because trump has done some things that actually do look impeachable and which at this very moment are being investigated by democrats on the border those impeachable things that the president has done better that are concerning republicans. well certainly when it's washes over into something to do with foreign policy you even have golf buddies like senator lindsey
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graham coming out against donald trump on syria less so on ukraine but nonetheless troubled by it because they know that trump willingly put out the goods on ukraine by releasing the transcript which is part of the trump part of the trump mode now. greg remembers when it was it was not the crime it was the coverup that was always the problem now there's no cover up term just admit everything and then discusses the lynching he doesn't dispute the facts and actually it upsets the ordinary course of business because actually reporters don't quite know what to do when they're not hunting down the watergate tapes or going to you know the underground garage to talk to deep throat you're left just with the impeachment and it's much easier to say that it's it's it's
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a renegade operation and you're going after the president i have is a witch then it is to actually go over the facts of the case because the facts are so damning greg i think people looking at the impeachment question i think part of it is a question of whether there have been illegal illegalities whether there have been high crimes and misdemeanors committed so there's a to margaret's point there has been you know a legal question but margaret also just mentioned lindsey graham in syria and you know the question of abandoning the kurds commander in chief has the right to designate where forces are and are and i would argue that that's not an impeachable offense that then throws into the question of political issues lindsey graham may be maybe softening on the president because of policy differences as opposed to improprieties how i mean i know you have a sharp legal mind right now you have your view of iraq this otoh are we debating is it a political issue or is this a function of legality let me talk about the process
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a little bit based on my experience during the clinton impeachment there was a there was a really scary moment for the defense lawyers who are and senator robert byrd was interviewed by cokie roberts just before the vote on the impeachment and he said as far as i'm concerned everything they have accused president clinton of doing he did . but i'm going to vote against his removal from office because it would be bad for the country and so at the end of the day the impeachment is a political process so the president should be worried about maintaining the confidence and the support of the republicans in the senate as much as he worries about whether or not he's committing impeachable offenses now one of the reasons i think we know the impeachment process is underway and it's going on now is because it's really sucking the air out of everything else you see it in the newspapers now there's a daily impeachment briefing you see it driving the campaign into the back pages
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the newspapers you see all the talk shows breaking news impeachment you see it in the house of representatives who are at least 6 committees in the house of representatives are focused on something to do with the impeachment that certainly happened in 1908 where everything sort of stopped until the impeachment and watched the impeachment process continue and i think that's beginning to happen in the impeachment process with bill clinton with his 2nd term and as i recall and i could be wrong on this his popularity ratings were sky high when he left office and my incorrect no you're correct so he career he went through the impeachment so i mean i think he got up during the impeachment and went to john is the impeachment process that has begun as well as as our colleagues here have said is this going to ultimately be good for president from and his political fortunes it could be if they get the right messaging and they get some adults in the room right now this is a tale of 2 cities and margaret is right on some of these issues because look the
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president didn't do anything wrong as far as illegality is no impeachable offense there is no quid pro quo there's no mention of joe biden they can't find it but it doesn't matter right now in this stage that is irrelevant because the messaging coming out of this white house is absolutely horrific and if anybody's. stood like me at the press conference that mick mulvaney had my jaw dropped and was hit the ground i couldn't believe it 1st of all even if the how the press conference you don't have that many more secondly he came out to talk about having the g. 7 that darrelle which was the timing of that was just mind boggling and then he gets caught up in. misstating or stating or what ever the hell he was doing that had to be the most damaging press conference and the messaging coming out of the white house is amateur hour hit the gum that's why you're
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a supporter generally 5 point of the messaging yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm receiving this great right right right so i don't even i would even say i hit the delete button steve that's an issue we have john get over 'd it because i didn't see there were an impeachable offenses in fact i think trying to. admitted to impeachable offense and it's not just mick mulvaney by releasing the transcript of the call which he somehow in his addled thinking thought then if they did to him he didn't say the name biden he did ask for a favor he was keeping the money away from the president of ukraine to fight back against trump's pal lattimer putin all of it is there john there's nothing left to prove your bike ride was never connected there was never a quid pro quo with it but it doesn't matter margaret to your problem they've got it doesn't matter to you and i ask you gerald ford when he was minority leader wanted to with ph one of the supreme court justices and they said to him what is
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the impeachable offense and he said what ever that held the house of representatives says it is so it doesn't matter whether it's offense or not the bottom line is present trump is going to get impeached by the house they are going to impeach him palosi has to manage the 26 democrats that got elected in trump's districts that if they vote for this they're going down to 2020 she realizes that it's going to go to the senate and right now what they lack is a war room of adults corey lewandowsky dave bossie steve bennett people like that that can get the message out to republicans because right now it is completely have if course you don't have doubts he is the adult that you are really not in trouble ok greg craig let me ask you a question and i only have it john if you came out or one of your colleagues during the clinton impeachment process and was looking at one of the underlying you know
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offenses and said get over it america which is what mick mulvaney basically said about the ukraine. and so and there's now i mean this is i mean get over it we have t. shirts get over it we have a film clip i think of him. saying this and i have news for everybody get over it there's going to be political influence in foreign policy i'm talking mr carro that is going to happen elections have consequences and foreign policy is going to change from the obama administration to the trump administration and what you're seeing now i believe is a group of mostly career politics career bureaucrats who are saying you know what i don't like president trump's politics so i'm going to participate in this witch hunt that they're undertaking on the hill. so greg if somebody had done that in the clinton ministration or maybe any other demi i mean i'm interested in what you think would have occurred because we've got t. shirts now that say it you know with the 0 having a little orange wig on top of it this is probably the only thing i agree with john
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on today is that i think they have mishandled the messaging they mishandled the strategy. i think they miss handing the press presidency the reality is that when president clinton was being impeached he was segregated walled off from the from the lawyer from the strategizing from the public argument of the impeachment and he spent all his time being president of states and he was very successful at it he negotiated a budget that was in surplus he had a series of international successes one in the white plantation between the palestinians in the israelis he traveled abroad he was at his those 6 months he was at his very best as the president of states and spent a very little time talking about the issues associated with the impeachment and all the messaging all the planning all the coordination between the various components of the white house and our friends on the hill were coordinated so the idea of someone just having a good idea and going out and saying get over it that never would have happened
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john you think this was a mistake i was horrific it was a it was a stupid mistake because it turned trumped from the victim to the to the aggressor as well at that made no sense when i was there he said that i just shook my head and then he came out would fly. shirts like you say with a wig on the oh and up to that point trump was being positioned as the victim this is a witch this is fake news i didn't do anything it was a perfect call and then it's well yeah get over it get over what the fact that he didn't do anything resenting to get over so it gore pulled the message until get back and the performance by mulvaney then. he was up to it by then going on i think chris wallace fox news sunday which was a very painful 15 or 20 minutes if you have to sit there through it til they till they take this seriously because right now it's fake news which now it's a lynching ok i really take this seriously they're going to they're going to
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continue to lose public support if you look at the polling out margaret in the last several weeks you've got now 53 polls saying that 50 percent of americans want to peach and removed from office that tells you right there that one of those polls was. last month and the other was fox this is not like c.n.n. fake polls these are real with real metrics behind it right so they're losing public support and they better get their act together i mean because there's going to be a trial in the senate in thanksgiving in november and it's real it mark as i mean as both of us said support there's a but there's a new $538.00 poll that's out that shows 49.3 percent that will support their poll we have it up now for folks to see 43 percent don't support there's actually a c.n.n. poll that just came out this morning that shows over 50 percent for the 1st time both in favor of impeachment but also removal but margaret i mean this is
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a tale of 2 worlds in a sense that of that in that 50 percent 87 percent of democrats support impeachment removal and 6 percent of republicans do and i come back to that initial question i pointed out is this a divorce happening. inside the country that's going to happen any any way or is there a way to get through this process get over it if you will and get people back on the same turf again well there's already been a divorce if you have 13000 lies out there and trumps based don't believe that there are any lies out there there is just too discordant groups in the country that one cannot see what the other is seeing now in impeachment i don't think it's a problem of the message because in this case you have the facts and the law you can you know if you don't have the facts argue the law well in this case the facts do support impeachment and so does the lawyer but in coming up with those article
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what would constitute impeachment it isn't you know up in the air it was all of the discussion was about how do you control. because that's what the the founding fathers were worried about trump behaves like a king and a lot of it was had to do with when a abuse of power against a foreign country and we have that in so many of the things trump has done and certainly in ukraine and although it's not yet a focus of democrats did just willy nilly abandoning kurdish. leaders i got to say what is it what ukrainians are they are a little bit was it a political i mean if you don't like this if you don't like his position right ukraine and getting us out of these never ending wars which you promised you would do on the campaign that was a staple of his campaign message to get us out then vote him out in 2020 you don't have ph him because you don't like his policies now your overall good idea very
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quickly they're just going to iraq so he's got to do a little side they're just going to few miles over a border which is a squishy border anyway but by the road my bigger point is ukraine i mean how i mean look at ukraine our friend colleagues just come out of a mess with ukraine we have paul metaphor for grain we have 100 biden on a company. so legally perhaps you know suspiciously on a on a company and you quote what is it with ukraine and why when ukraine has now been something that rudy giuliani has been tied into why have the republicans had it in support of the president turning a blind eye to that why did why did they not see the request of the president of ukraine to investigate the bidens as you know a disconcerting even an illegal issue because the whole democratic party malfeasance and investigating trouble started in ukraine margaret knows it greg knows i didn't sit there and spin it that's where it started that's where they tried to dig up dirt on trump that's where they hire g.p.s.
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that's where they got steel involved the dossier the whole because it all started there so the country is corrupt from the beginning they started that they're now we're tracing it back as far as abiding thing is concerned i mean margaret. how do you get on the board of directors of a company that's an oil company that's owned by the country when you have no experience in oil no experience in gas never been to the region never been to ukraine don't know the competition and you get $50000.00 a month and your father is over there as vice president negotiating deals how do you do that so we had one pain manager is going to argue nepotism is wrong right given that children. you know what does it have to do with they get paid a dollar a year what on earth does that have to do with going on that we can get away with greater it's going to be a lot more licenses i'm going to stipulate to all my facts but i and my lawyers i was getting late to them but i think the bigger question is does gravity work
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differently depending on where you sit. well can i just comment on the on the polls because i think one of the lessons that we got from the clinton experience and i think john will agree with this is that it is possible to impeach a president when the country is divided it is not possible to remove a president when the country is divided you half that has to be something that most americans support or it's not going to happen it's got to be a bipartisan effort if the president trump is going to be removed serious republicans have to support that process otherwise it will not happen that i think it's just a fact of the political situation now if i were in your shoes i would be a little worried about what senator lindsey graham is saying about this ukraine situation because he said he would be troubled if it was proven that president trump ordered the withholding of military assistance to the ukrainians in exchange
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for the opening up of investigation of the buttons that would trouble lindsey graham that sent a signal that he thought that that might be an impeachable offense an abuse of presidential power so if i were in your shoes i'd be concerned about exactly what they are going to get on top of that with lindsey graham when lindsey graham really clicked in because lindsey graham has said that if there are crimes beyond the call and then he began talking about betraying the kurds in syria and he hasn't to my knowledge mentioned the darrelle trump resort but john you did is are these issues of the decisions the president made beginning to move the needle the propriety of what's acceptable behavior with with some of the folks that you know so well or it gives mcconnell leverage when trump is exonerated in the senate or not convicted or whatever you want to phrase it in the reality acquitted in reality the republicans the democrats are going to need 20 republican votes in the senate right. it's not
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a. i mean the conceivable that they're going to get there in a divided country but what is conceivable is that the mcconnell republicans gain an inordinate amount of leverage over president trump in the last 18 months of his term before he gets real reelected which i think he will in 2020 and basically a lot of their votes to acquit him become conditional on something right that's what that's what most are needed but connell just wrote a fiery op ed i want to know most from from the trauma base right which is a true believer in the america 1st agenda so i'm a true believer so i'm more concerned about the advancement of our philosophy and agenda going forward than i am about any short term political process so that's the leverage that mcconnell has mcconnell can end up calling the shots between january
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2020 and the end of that term if trump gets reelected that on his own all bets are off. and margaret let me just say we didn't commit let me put it but one thing to you when you were when you were running things for bill clinton did you go after and harass and bully defecting democrats no. we had not you personally but did the team go after well because what we see happening right down with donald trump versus mitt romney is pretty dramatic. we had we had problems i think with defecting democrats in the house of representatives in the early stages but the way in which the house republicans managed the impeachment process in the house was so partisan that it drove all the democrats back it wasn't they like clinton that much it was that they couldn't stand tom de lay or newt gingrich but let me just point something out i think that is an interesting the 2 the 2 leaders in the
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united states senate both participated in the clinton pietschmann process chuck schumer was in the house of representatives when the hearings were conducted and when the votes occurred on december 19th 1908 he was then elected to the senate and participated in the trial in the senate mcconnell was in the senate during 1998 both of those individuals know what the trial is likely to look at look like is it going to have live witnesses is it going to have videotaped depositions how long it could take i hear that mcconnell has told his caucus get ready for a 6 week trial let's do snap chat we're just the last couple of minutes margaret as you look at what's going to unfold how do you predict. say president trump's chances of not getting impeached. you know it's a given and so discounted that the senate will not go to convict him.
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so it is that part really doesn't matter i mean there's no drama there's no drama involved and i mean that's too bad because the senate has the republicans in the senate have shown themselves to be who sleeps spineless against this president they came here not to do a job they came here to stay in perpetuity they're so afraid of losing an election so how's it turn out if it turns out that he runs for reelection but i think deeply wounded deeply because people see an administration that's entirely chaotic without basically a cabinet that cabinet meeting that had yesterday had apps conducted absolutely not one piece of the country's business it was all about that phony i'm arguments clause it was just one thing after another i mean he i don't know how many articles of the constitution the president is willing to do away with so that governing is not taking the constitutionalists out there in the country or are having
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a fit but john how do you see just a quick a quick survey of how you see this unfolding i think will be a peach in the house will be too tight articles of impeachment that will pass palosi who is probably the most masterful speaker in history and by the way that's why there's no nickname for her we're afraid of or she's very good and she's running this thing with believe a great precision i was going to get a ph and then he got to be acquitted in the senate there's going to be a trial they're going to bring they're going to bring other witnesses in lots of drama lots of drama trouble use it and get reelected again and final word it's going to be interesting to see what the speaker does between 0 and thanksgiving i agree that it's going to end up with an impeachment maybe 2. 3 oracles but she has a challenge about trying to educate the american public so she's going to have to have some public hearings and how is she going to organize the hearings who is she
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going to how is she going to present the case to the american people about it and can i go with that no we've got a we're out of time i'd like to thank you all for being with us margaret carlson columnist for the daily beast and 1st female columnist for time magazine john fredericks chairman of trump for president campaign for the state of virginia 2016 and advisor to the trump 2020 campaign and host of the john fredericks radio show and gregory craig the former lead defense attorney for president bill clinton during his impeachment in 1988 and former white house counsel under president obama thank you all very much for being here sorry to cut you off margaret sorry sorry thank you. so what's the bottom line some see the start of an impeachment process as conviction of president trump in and of itself others see it as a frivolous political act by desperate democrats who cannot truly succeed in removing him from office they see it as i don't shakespeare might say sound and fury signifying nothing the bottom line is that impeachment is always political
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trumps allies are going soft not because of the alleged crime of telling you crane's president to investigate his political rival but because he also tried to host a big global event the g 7 at a trump resort and also because he abandoned america's kurdish allies to turkey america is deeply and internally divided and this shakespearean drama is going to be playing out for a very long time and that's just the way it is see you next week.
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i'm come out santamaria here in doha with the headlines on al-jazeera russia and turkey have reached a deal that allows kurdish fighters in northern syria to withdraw further away from the turkish border under the agreement russian turkish forces will also conduct joint patrols of course ankara launched its offensive in the area last week but suspended the operation following a u.s. brokered cease fire here is a summit binge of aid with more from a chuckle there on the syria turkey border so another deal is now in place in northern syria this one is between the russians and the turks turkish government have decided that it will give kurdish fighters another 5 and in the 6 days rather 100 in.

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