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tv   Inside Story 2020 Ep 148  Al Jazeera  May 28, 2020 2:32pm-3:01pm +03

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the u.s. accuses russia of sending fighter jets to libya moscow says it wants a cease fire at its ally he suffered losses after took military intervention one of the options to stabilizing libya in an increasingly complex war this is inside story. hello welcome to the program. russia is one of the main players in the war in libya
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it supports a warlord. who wants to take the capital tripoli from the un recognized government but the campaign has suffered a series of setbacks officials in tripoli said russian transport planes moved out hundreds of mercenaries who've been fighting with have tossed forces in southern tripoli russia is now calling for an immediate cease fire foreign minister sergei lavrov told an ally. but he backs what he calls a constructive dialogue involving old libyan political forces to end the conflict but at the same time russia is accused of sending warplanes to libya the u.s. military says these photos show russian fighter jets arriving recently via syria to support forces it says the planes were repainted to conceal the origin a russian m.p. rejected the allegation as fake seems. russia isn't the only country involved in the war the un recognized government of national accord based in the capital
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tripoli has the backing of italy catarrh and turkey recent turkish military intervention has helped its forces push after our back from southern tripoli and other parts of the northwest the warlord launch an offensive to take the capital more than a year ago haftar is backed by rival administration into brooke in the east the u.n. says 1000 $200.00 russian mercenaries would have cloyd to help after hours forces egypt the united arab emirates and france also provide support. let's bring in our guests in touch in in the u.s. state of new jersey we have jason packer founder of the consultancy libya analysis l l c and in vienna wolfgang post-i a security and policy analyst and austria's former defense attash 8 to libya and in tripoli by phone sami a trash
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a lawyer and head of the political office of the libyan national assembly february 17th revolution welcome to you all jason 1st of all russian foreign minister sergei lavrov says he wants a cease fire while we hear that the russians have sent 14 disguised fighter jets to libya what's going on. well that's not as paradoxical as it may seem one always wants to negotiate from a position of strength rather than one of weakness the russians are on the back foot as are their clients the ellen de and therefore the russians and the emirates for the 1st time in a long time are talking about ceasefire is because when you're losing and the momentum is against you it's a very convenient time to be calling for a cease fire of course they knew that those fighter jets would be discovered they might not have known that afrikan would call them out as for separately as they have but the russians still have a lot of leverage in the conflict and they have been put on the back foot in the
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aerial war but they're not lost and it seems that they have a deal with their turkish opponents that by withdrawing mercenaries from beni walid to drill for up those mercenaries will now not be attacked from and therefore if they were drawn their air assets from places in the west which they did such as what tia to draw from it seems like there won't be attack there and now we await the next phase in the battle for tomorrow not as well as negotiations on a global scale about what comes next for libya ok wolf is that what it is the russians putting a gun on the table but really everybody wants a ceasefire. well actually if i were russians it's if to of the surf the strategic interests in libya this means they intend by all means to make maintain a full told at least in eastern libya to dissent for the time being they want to
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prevent the end in a from getting defeated in tripoli tamia we see how far they got they will get may be able to pull off if they're recently arrived at the chance also be offensive of the libyan national army again too with the pretty pena but i doubt that a couple of fight the chits is enough to change to fight again and to allow the end of the 8 with back again but with 3 pretty it seems to be more like it that this fight the chits if the number remains limited have to propose to buy just some time for the libyan national army who gets closer to some kind of negotiated settlement it could also well be that the purpose of this fight the chance is to keep the turks and the operational cannell from attacking to what's eastern libya we see i guess the next days and weeks and show ok sami turkey the u.a.e. have coal for a cease fire all geria the e.u. is calling for a cease fire are we going to get a cease fire. i would like to start with the mention. 'd
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'd behind the syrian ambassador. 'd 'd to get the. name the game and then you friends to bring over more 'd than a clear. stand on that for. since both for the 2019 'd remains also 'd actively ended but without. 'd observing given always. of course all that i mean most of them to be and for the city to be empty or that of the russian movement in the future they have been deceived by this on. both fronts and that i shall in spite of this both of them to mention that i do human giant bunch of him doing this number such as in 92 that's a seat then for the games between then and now the intervention team that if you if
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you're obviously to everyone to mention eugenie and. so far left i mean in the event of a through evolution if you reject in both goals in the tubes by our own actions. the best is it finished or this minute city because we through the score discuss stuff to declare themselves and good now. 'd would be. very big. a democracy and to serve in the state therefore we are not going to redo a new coach for a ceasefire organization or on. the job ok jason not much optimism not much likelihood of a ceasefire coming from tripoli but all the major players seem to be asking for was one going to be full stall them somehow well sandy is right we've entered a new stage if you look at the libya conflict from 2011 to now as having 5 stages we've just entered the tests. the 1st stage is the 20th level libyan uprisings and
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those were an uprising is not a civil war because the mass of the population oppose khadafi and only about 20 percent of his core tribal supporters like the magog. and some of the warfalla and his family supported him then we had some good years in 20122013 the oil price was high and it was inability to rebuild and then we had the 1st libyan civil war and that was starting in the summer of 2014 it was fought over the tripoli airport and the former revolutionaries fell out amongst themselves so is in town in misrata who had fought together against gadhafi fell out and the intro our election was contested with the parliament fleeing to the east that were quieted down but it led to the treaty that sammy was mentioning the surat agreement of 17 december 25th tina and rather than resolving matters that complicated matters because it
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introduced a 3rd government the g.s.a. and that government was not really produced inside libya and the international actors who said that they supported it actually supported different sides and began a proxy dynamic this then led to the 4th phase which is the 2nd war a post office succession or the war for tripoli that began on april 4th 2019 and former. enemies and allies switch sides so this in turn is in misrata and who fought together against gadhafi some of them worked together to oppose huffed arson attack on tripoli in this new civil war that 2nd civil war has now ended with the fall of what he airbase and we're entering a 5th phase will that phase be a ceasefire a negotiated settlement i don't think so i agree with sami that this ceasefire talk is posturing force is still going to have to play out out there is an opportunity
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for the turks will want they are the victors of the 2nd libyan civil war if the troops wanted to be moderate and not push their advantage they could be conveners but everything about their previous behavior earlier ones skills show that there are unlikely to do that and they're going to try to exact a victory dividend and in so doing the conflict will continue into this new and 5th uncertain phase ok wolf. do you think we are relying on turkey to push for the idea of a cease fire will turkey go for that although they want to exact more before they go for that. well i would say it's quite unlikely that turkey will push for a cease fire right now we need to keep in mind what other turkey's strategic interests in libya and one of the key interests is certainly to maintain and to continue turkish libyan maritime agreement if there would be a ceasefire right now if there would be
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a cease fire off the delany is defeated can be pretty tainio it could easily happen that the eastern part of libya would split off if the eastern part of leave it would split off deck you could forget the politics maritime agreement because they're a complement ever be in benghazi they would certainly not and also sign any kind of agreements to the favor of turkey so for turkey it is crucial ate up to maintain one libyan state dominate by government favor of turkey ought to continue to with steve just to continue towards the east not only to the sea at the basine but also to big ozzy and this could easily bring them in conflict with a chipped. something is the price that is exacting from the tripoli government was it worth giving access to these mediterranean possible gas deposits in return for the support he's giving it. to that extent yes because as we know
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on that trip you. are making. more of that in the west reduce. konami cutting the money time and distance graham said and if that means the connection to all of the benefits of that to be the truth will sign. but nevertheless i think it was just really have committed to the brits action to them and to get him a government. the national media the rest i think as close as and have to general would be jamming it with us i mean. the whole country from the military jump to their mission and this we finish this concept of our body as if i don't think we can really. give any democratic state but there's something beneath me i have to burn down to the audience and to my
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server you have to remind ourselves that we should not be built when the people you in spite of the. mentor so-called bottom of the government got a. mysterious gen x. that's really amazing that misstatement on the fight. made this call born into the english industry a challenge gotten. so out of the chair and i'm talking on behalf of. somebody of the to be loosened wants to reduce separate that we have determined under the new. really understood the fact that without busy eliminated and clearing of this military regime we will never be able to bring. on 2011 revolution of. ok so this is really the main point we have to
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consider in spite of the political stance of the governments jason if took a strategic goals to exploit potential gas reserves in the mediterranean basin and to get contracts to rebuild libya for turkish construction companies it needs stability to achieve those goals doesn't it's not going to get much further without stability. that would be a rational way of looking at it and i would hope that that would prevail in our camera but as we know the road to peace in libya does go through on corruption and has shown itself since ata turk to be very good at the military right out of turk was a military man and the military dominated the turkish state for its 1st 80 years after the ottoman empire early one has risen to power and he has a problem with the military which is ataturk yes but he has carved out a patch for them and it's a nato country and they have access to the best technology and they've shown to
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good effect that they're able to use that technology and skills and to win in libya what bird on has not shown that he has the ability to do is to negotiate he has not been a very good negotiator he's a rogue internationally he's ostracized from europe he hasn't honored some of the migrant deals and frankly i would love to see that he could pivot and extract a peace dividend but it seems like they're going for a victory dividend do they need stability as you mentioned maybe not they want the g.n.a.t. to give them back their construction contracts and back payments but us what's going smartly pointed out they want to have a victory over all of libya because it's only in the eastern waters that they can extract that guest of it and the only power that can really bring together all of the sides and factions is america. unfortunately america has a bipolar policy towards libya and we're not going to see a new policy until the election in november and that's something i'd like to talk
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more about but you know we just have to hold our breath because there's no will in either europe or america right now to really do the serious heavy lifting and humans work to convene the international community so until that point the turks and the russians are what we have in terms of actually trying to make it work and wolfgang what is russia's strategic interest in libya we know europeans are particularly concerned about russian interests in libya why except that as i understand that while not only part russians interests it's also other affair you forgot to russia russia has in particular to use with each interest they forgot to libya. would like to say that probably eastern libya will be sufficient to achieve this day egypt will establish a military base to eager to establish a naval base but they have craft kariya in eastern libya there is the help of pop rock which could very very fit into these intentions they are eager to use libya
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papar protection and play expanding the influence the with the sahara states yet eager to get their share as turkey on the reconstruction of libya be eager to get put into the door before it got too many other major projects in the end actually at the end of the cut off a time like turkey there are many conflicts with russian companies and russian would be to continue if these contracts however it would be easier for russia to leave only be for the eastern part of libya then for turkey preexist only if the western part of libya. when we handle about these competing interests from outside forces in libya when are we ever going to arrive at the stage where people like you in the west are going to get together with people libyans in the east and work out a future of your country together it doesn't seem a lot thoughts on the horizon does it. finally i mean really.
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'd between the libyan forces way. it is executed is going to use the civil war. 'd description according to my understanding from that end if you get in libya over time wavelets we are ready to sit with people who believe in their sovereign state and democratic institutions. but we cannot reduce this to be a sort of accept any agreement which isn't to the contrary the values that are set forth in that. game and signed on as we said 15 december and. this is you have 52 words which stablish states which community have agreed with. them and we are ready to go off on that but the premium that dissemination and the other good. job that and used it is but i am sure.
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that to this credit card and this is going to be made above the ringback dimension i couldn't help the gold money any more because they did for the $1.00 really hoping that she would be a rising power and really know why and start on the surface institutions start to vote in the i mean 2000 maybe 3 men 14 by commuting the convention of course the. construction i'm. 'd going to organize in should which have being elected. every stage of the revolution so now we're going to miss your community. because the very night this nation i'm. not watching you mentioned all the democratic rules which all agreed including the mission i couldn't do so i wondered about this. russian community watching the.
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fortunes. that is also going to deduce or and guide provide a vision you know will 'd have been. felt by. so on now and that's as it should of the libyan people that i've been briefed and that is no no because that could have come from them beyond any doubt but then in the midst of . 'd malaysia to bow out if i didn't mean you could be the negotiation tactic which we understood but it clearly also then put the shared community have understood that. jason. africa the us african command while it was unusual for it to state so clearly that it suspected these jets were coming from russia can we take some hint from the us that they are paying attention
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to what's happening in libya or is it as you suspect the not really going to get involved in an election year well to 1st address sami's point there yes it would be lovely to have a libyan libyan peace process and the only solution is a libyan libyan wanted can't be imposed from outside but unfortunately sami showed the 0 sum thinking that prevails in libya he calls his opponents a military junta without. pointing out that the easterners have legitimate grievances about the distribution of wealth and power from they've cut off the period institutions so that's a shame and it's going to require much more dialogue and openness than he points out now to pivot to the very good question that you mentioned that. afrikan statement calling out the russian jets has to do with the bipolarity of american policy and that's that on the one hand we have civil servants and experts and professionals and on the other we have team trump and appointees and this is
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something that all americans are familiar with these are the the coronavirus response the experts and health officials say hey we can't open up and please wear a mask and we've got to flatten the curve and then tim trump and the vice president says we're going to reopen by memorial day that it will be behind us the president appears in public without a mask and says everything is fine we need to reopen the economy so in the libya case this bipolarity is that trump called early one s for a cease fire and pump a a last week called surat and said oh we don't want any foreign interference you know don't push the advantage don't have the turks come in so team trump and the appointees do the bidding of the u.a.e. and we've seen that before when trump called qatar and april of last year where as the experts and the professionals of the civil servants they are motivated by the traditional american foreign policy aims of deterring russia or wolfgang no coherent american response and the e.u.
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also gives the view from europe we have france on different sides of the italians come the the e.u. is also seeming powerless to try and bring calm to libya well currently the european union can do next to nothing about the situation in libya the reason is easy currently that's a military conflict turkey is using the military school of strategy to use the military strategy to counterbalance the libyan national army now turkey spits using a success in libya if the military tool of strategy watch in the european union to show they bombed. the libyan national army a european still not in the future in a boy is such that simple. not their weight the european union burks european union member could get again to big game if there is an opportunity if there is separate i still made that they could again try to broker a cease fire you mentioned the different european interests this is understandable
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if you look just to italy and to france italy has the key has key economic interests before it got to libya they tell you economic interests mostly focus them best them libya ok italy has key security interests are also focused on western libya in particular make ration for friends it's different for them what counts is counterterrorism count that there isn't which is terrorism which is a particular threat for the french vital strategic interests in the central sahara region and therefore the french are also key leaning towards the libyan national army if you want to fight terrorism safe havens in southern libya the only one choice you have to cooperate if it's the libyan national army you may like to go not all right we are unfortunately out of time but thanks to jason patric to wolfgang puts thai in tripoli to sami our trash and thank you to are watching you can see the program again any tide by visiting our web site al jazeera
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