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‘ the of the weekend for mid teens and north and 19 or 20 degrees across the southeast. we hold onto this benign pattern for the weekend and... you're watching a bbc news special — we're live at westminster, where mps have voted to take control of the commons. the eyes to the right, 328 to rebel mps succeeded by a majority of 27, which means a debate will take place tomorrow over plans to stop a no—deal brexit. the pm called it a ‘pointless delay'. it means that parliament is on the brink of wrecking any deal. because tomorrow's bill would hand control
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of the negotiations to the eu and that would mean more death and more delay and more confusion. —— more dither. protestors celebrated outside the commons, as borisjohnson indicated it made a general election more likely. if mps vote tomorrow to stop negotiations and compel another pointless delay to the exit, potentially for years, then that would be the only way to resolve this and i can confirm that we are tonight tabling a motion under the fixed term parliament. he wants to table a motion for a general election. fine. get the bill through first in order to prevent... in orderto take through first in order to prevent... in order to take no deal off the table.
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a very good evening and welcome back to westminster where we have had another dramatic evening. mps have voted to seize control of tomorrow ‘s parliamentary agenda so they can introduce legislation to stop the uk from leaving the eu without a deal. 21 conservative mps defied the party whip, including the former chancellor philip hammond and the father of the house, ken clarke. the downing street spokesman said the chief whip was speaking to the rebels and they would be sipping —— suspended from the party. boris johnson said that parliament was on the brink of wrecking any deal that may be negotiated in brussels in the country may now have to make a choice, he said.
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0rder! order! order! the ayes to the right, 328. the noes to the left, 301. not a good start, boris. order! the ayes to the right 328. the noes to the left, 301. so the ayes have, the ayes have it. unlock. let's listen to how the prime minister responded to the result of that vote. by by the consequences of this vote tonight it means that parliament is on the brink of wrecking any deal we might be able to strike in brussels. because tomorrow's bill would hand control of the negotiations to the eu and that would mean more dither,
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more delay, more confusion. and it would mean that the eu themselves would mean that the eu themselves would be able to decide how long to keep this country in the eu. and since i refused to go along with that plan we are going to have to make a choice. i don't want an election. the public don't want an election. the public don't want an election. and i don't believe the right honourable gentleman wants one to the house votes for the bill tomorrow, the public will have to choose who goes to brussels on 0ctober choose who goes to brussels on october 17 to sort this out and take the country forward. everyone will know that if the right honourable gentleman is the prime minister he will go to brussels and begged for an extension, you will accept whatever brussels demands and we will have years more arguments over brexit. by contrast, mr speaker, eve ryo ne brexit. by contrast, mr speaker, everyone knows that if this does government is in charge and i go to brussels, i will go for a deal and i
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believe i will get a deal. we will leave anyway, on october 31. people of this country will have to choose to the leader of the opposition has been begging for an election for two yea rs. been begging for an election for two years. he has crowds of supporters outside calling for it. i don't want an election but if mps vote tomorrow to stop the negotiations and to compel another pointless delay of brexit, potentially four years, then that will be the only way to resolve this. i can confirm that tonight we will are tabling a motion under the fixed—term parliaments act. so confirmation of a motion tomorrow under that act. this wasjeremy corbyn ‘s reaction. under that act. this wasjeremy corbyn 's reaction. mr speaker, on a point of order, i welcome tonight '5 though. we live in a parliamentary
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democracy. we do not have a presidency, but a prime minister. prime ministers oven with the consent of the house of commons representing the people in whom their sovereignty rests. there is no consent, there is no consent in this house to leave the eu without a deal. there is no majority for no deal. there is no majority for no deal in the country. as i have said before, if the prime minister has the confidence in his brexit policy when he has one he can put forward, he should put it before the people ina public he should put it before the people in a public vote. and so he wants to table a motion for a general election, fine. get the billthrough first in order to prevent, in
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order... in orderto first in order to prevent, in order... in order to take no deal off the table. that was jeremy corbyn responding a short time ago. let's speak now to our political correspondent, jonathan blake. that was tuesday. let's look forward a little too wednesday. what happens next? as you saw, the prime minister said for the first time, explicitly, that he sees the only way out of this position he is being put in, if mps this position he is being put in, if m ps vote this position he is being put in, if mps vote for the legislation tomorrow, it would force him to ask foran tomorrow, it would force him to ask for an extension to the brexit process. if he cannot get a new deal, the only way out is to hold a general election. 0ption number one for the government to do that is to put forward a motion under the fixed term parliament act to call an early election and we expect that to be on 0ctober election and we expect that to be on october 15. election and we expect that to be on 0ctober15. that means a two—thirds majority in the house of commons to go through. and at the moment it is farfrom certain go through. and at the moment it is far from certain that it would
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receive that because, as you heard jeremy corbyn suggesting they are, the position of labour is unclear tonight. he seems to believe that the priority is getting the government to a point when no deal is ruled out before an election is triggered. but there are all kinds of possible scenarios about whether the government would have to stick to that and if the conservatives won could repeal it anyway. so we would have to wait and see what happens with that vote in the house of commons tomorrow for a general election under the fixed term parliament act which would receive two—thirds —— need two—thirds of mps to vote for it in order to succeed. the other option that would clearly be the next step, if they want an election, would be to put forward a very simple piece of legislation, effectively a one line bill saying that a general election should be called for a specific date. as i say
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we would expect that to be 0ctober 15, just days before the eu summit scheduled for the 17th and 18th of 0ctober scheduled for the 17th and 18th of october when, if there is to be a breakthrough, it is expected to happen. that would only require a straight majority. not a two—thirds majority. so easier for the government to win but again by no means certain. and there is at least the chance now that borisjohnson will be put in the position where he has threatened an election but cannot actually make one happen because, of course, he needs a majority in the house of commons to achieve it. and as we saw today with the departure of philip lee from the tory benches to the lib dem benches in the house of commons and 21 conservative mps being thrown out of the party tonight for defying government in this vote, boris johnson has no majority to count on.
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just before i let you go, can you confirm what we are hearing? that the web has been withdrawn from those 21 rebels who voted against the government tonight was to mark yes. a downing street spokesman confirmed to us in the last few minutes that the chief whip will be meeting with the conservative mps who voted against the government and they will have the web withdrawn. that is a list of some very familiar names and some people who were until recently holding some of the biggest jobs in parliament. —— whip have the been withdrawn. when parliament resumes tomorrow might they sit on the opposite benches? possibly. they will be independents and what they will be independents and what they will consider themselves we will have to find out on an individual basis, i think there is not necessarily room for them on the benches opposite to they will
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probably congregate up in the far right—hand corner, that naughty corner where other conservative mps are now going against their party policy. i expect them to congregate up policy. i expect them to congregate up there. but, yes. there may be a new grouping in parliament. standing room only on the independent ventures. —— benches. the business secretary, andrea leadsom urged rebel tory mps to reconsider their decisions of voting against the government before tomorrow. she was speaking to our chief political correspondent vicki young. it is incredibly disappointing and we have had jeremy corbyn now demonstrating that he is determined to stop brexit at any cost. 0bviously on our side i really do hope that some of my colleagues will realise that if they vote for this bill tomorrow they are just taking away the prime minister ‘s negotiating and. he has been quite clear. we are hopeful and mystic about getting a renegotiated deal that parliament can vote on before
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the end of october but this would remove that negotiating hand. many of your colleagues went to see the prime minister today wanting reassurance from him that he was seriously trying to get a new deal and they were not reassured. they said there were no negotiating team, no new offers on the table, he is not serious, is he? that is not true. everything i have seen as business secretary attending the subcommittee every day looking brexit preparations, there is no doubt that the effort to get a deal has ramped up dramatically and also we are seeing some european leaders starting to change their minds. it is in negotiation and the prime minister has been clear that it cannot been held in the public domain. before labour to now be effectively coming out and trying to stop brexit, and is what they are doing, what this bill would do is put control into the hands of the eu... it would be an extension to the end of january.
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eu... it would be an extension to the end ofjanuary. they eu... it would be an extension to the end of january. they are trying to stop a no deal brexit not stop the exit. this is labour determination to stop brexit. this is labour trying to surrender to the eu being in charge of when we get to leave the eu. it is absolutely appalling and unacceptable. and what about this suggestion now, the conservative mps who were told they would effectively be booted from the conservative party if they voted this way tonight. pointy one of them have done so. is borisjohnson really about to throw winston churchill ‘s grandson out of the conservative party? ken clarke, privy counsellors, firm —— former chancellors, is this how you unite the party? my real hope is that collea g u es the party? my real hope is that colleagues will reflect overnight and will decide tomorrow that we need to ensure... will they have another chance? absolutely they do. and i really hope colleagues will continue to give the prime minister a negotiating hand so we can get a
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deal that we all want to see. before 0ctober deal that we all want to see. before october 31. the problem with this bill is that it removes the negotiating hand. the eu have been quite clear that they want to see what parliament will do and if parliament is determined to take no deal of the table than there is nothing that the eu will negotiate on. so i urge my colleagues directly to please reconsider overnight. that was andrea leadsom speaking to our correspondent earlier. i suspect she may have been optimistic on the fate of the rebel tory mps because we hear tonight that the whip is being withdrawn and they are going through the list in alphabetical order and phoning them one by one and have just gotten to h for hammond. so they will speak to the former chancellor and no doubt the whip will be withdrawn from him and he will be withdrawn from him and he will sit on the opposition benches tomorrow. with me i have richard burge and. you must pleased with how
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things are gone tonight. but why are you not picking up the goblin for a general election? we want one as soon as possible while also stopping ano soon as possible while also stopping a no deal brexit. the thing that puts us in the position we are in is that you cannot trust a word that borisjohnson says. if he says that a general election can be held at a date which means we do not crash out with a no deal brexit then we cannot believe him to that is a relative. he can change the date. what we want is for it to be bolted down. how would you do that? we would look at every possible parliamentary procedure to do that and make it legally watertight. let me put it to you. if there was a bill that said notwithstanding the terms of the fixed term parliament act if we were having an election on october fixed term parliament act if we were having an election on 0ctober1li, set down in legislation and everyone voted with a simple majority, would that suffice. if there was no wriggle room for this untrustworthy
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prime minister. we heard rumours tonight that even if a law is passed by parliament, boris johnson tonight that even if a law is passed by parliament, borisjohnson is considering not taking it to buckingham palace to have it signed off as law. that is the territory we are in. he is thinking the unthinkable to get his way. so we wa nted unthinkable to get his way. so we wanted bolting down that no deal brexit can't occur, and once that is done we want the general election as soon as possible. and you would be happy for the general election to be on 1a 0ctober? happy for the general election to be on 14 october? we are happy for it to be as soon as possible, as long as it is bolted down, it is wriggle room free for borisjohnson. as it is bolted down, it is wriggle room free for boris johnson. but the 14th would suit you? well, the sooner the better. the only reason i ask is if you won the election and we re ask is if you won the election and were returned with a majority, whatever you secure in the coming
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days would be immaterial, because you can't bind the hands of a future government. they could repeal anything you put forward and take us out with no deal anyway. we are democrats, i am out with no deal anyway. we are democrats, iam not out with no deal anyway. we are democrats, i am not sure boris johnson is behaving like a democrat. i will tell you now, johnson is behaving like a democrat. iwill tell you now, i johnson is behaving like a democrat. i will tell you now, i am confident that we will win a general election. i think the mask is slipping on the rigged system we have got. i think the mask of borisjohnson is slipping. it is something a bit more sinister than the bumbling amusing bloke who has been on have i got news for you? we are seeing that in so many ways. he will use any trick in the book to get a no deal brexit because he wants a sweetheart deal with donald trump and whether people voted leave or remain, the elites, personified by boris johnson voted leave or remain, the elites, personified by borisjohnson and jacob rees—mogg, hold people in contempt. so if you get this legislation through this week, which to all intents and purposes you will, what is the delay for? the delay if we get it through is the fa ct delay if we get it through is the fact that boris johnson will
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delay if we get it through is the fact that borisjohnson will be bringing a vote about a general election, but a vote that is not at this stage amendable, a vote where he can have the prerogative to change the date of a general election. i would change the date of a general election. iwould not change the date of a general election. i would not trust boris johnson in any way whatsoever and i certainly wouldn't trust boris johnson not to say that an election is in the middle of october and then use his prerogative to change the date so that during the general election campaign we crashed out of the european union with no deal. but what i am saying is that you want under the legislation put forward, you want to delay until 31 january. what i am saying is what is that three—month period for? what i am saying is what is that three-month period for? that could involve further negotiations, that could involve a better deal. with the labour party, cross—party, get involved in negotiations? we are happy to work with whoever, cross party and the public at large, order to serve out —— sort out this boris johnson created disaster that we are now facing. what is on the labour party manifesto when you go to an election? well, at the last
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ma nifesto, election? well, at the last manifesto, i need to remind people of this, at the last manifesto, we did say that we would do everything in our power to stop a no deal brexit. that is what we're doing now. are you i remain or are you a brexit party? we now support a public vote on any deal, and against the borisjohnson public vote on any deal, and against the boris johnson deal, public vote on any deal, and against the borisjohnson deal, not that he will get one, we campaigned to remain against a no deal brexit, we campaign to remain. so you would be campaigning fora campaign to remain. so you would be campaigning for a referendum, and which way with the labour party be going on a referendum? would you be campaigning in that referendum to remain or to take the deal, whatever that deal is? well, if it is a boris johnson deal, and he is not going to get one, by the way, we would be campaigning to remain. and certainly against no deal we would be campaigning as well. if it is you doing negotiating, if you are returned with a majority on 14 0ctober, you going back to brussels seeking a deal or are you looking to repeal or push for a referendum? and
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john mcdonnell was here not that long ago talking to me and saying we would be campaigning for remain?“ we got into government, if a new deal was offered, after negotiations with the eu... why would the eu negotiate with labour if to all intents and purposes you are going to remain anyway? what would be the point of getting a new deal if you are going to remain? because it would be in the eu's interests as well, other countries' interest, and our interests as well, but we would put a credible leave option and a credible remain option. so you would go to brussels and tell them you wa nt to go to brussels and tell them you want to remain, but give us a deal to leave. no, no. one, we are getting ahead of ourselves, but two, we are underestimating what is going on at the moment. this isn't whether the people voted leave or remain. we won't stop with stopping and no deal brexit. 0nce won't stop with stopping and no deal brexit. once we have stopped a no—deal brexit, we want to fundamentally and irreversibly
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transformed for the better our society. i understand that, but what iam asking society. i understand that, but what i am asking you is, you have just told me that you want to go back to brussels and fight for a new deal, but ina brussels and fight for a new deal, but in a referendum you would campaignfor but in a referendum you would campaign for remain. that doesn't really make sense. i think we will win the next general election, whenever it will be. when we win that general election, of course we will talk to our partners in the european union. if a better deal is offered, or any deal, we will put that to the public, with remain and that to the public, with remain and that better deal. but we think now the situation is we are facing the real threat of disaster capitalism, really, no—deal brexit being used as a smokescreen to do sweetheart deals with donald trump which will affect living standards in the national health service and our public services. we are clear. they said, borisjohnson said, services. we are clear. they said, boris johnson said, and services. we are clear. they said, borisjohnson said, and we all know how trustworthy he is, that if the country how trustworthy he is, that if the
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cou ntry voted how trustworthy he is, that if the country voted to leave, don't worry, it won't be a no deal brexit. he is now using every trick in the book to anti— democratically propose a no—deal brexit. remain as better than a no—deal brexit. remain is better than the deal that boris johnson is not going to get. really grateful for your time. johnson is not going to get. really gratefulfor your time. thank johnson is not going to get. really grateful for your time. thank you very much. there you have the labour position. we know that tomorrow the opposition parties and those rebel tory mps will take control, and as you just heard from richard, they will seek to avert a no deal brexit if borisjohnson returns without a deal before the end of october. you are watching bbc news. ian blackford, leader of the snp in the house of commons, said he was absolutely delighted that parliamentarians across the house have expressed a very clear view that we want the opportunity tomorrow to legislate to remove the threat of a no—deal on 310ctober. we wa nt
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we want the opportunity to remove borisjohnson as prime minister in this conservative government. but what we have done tonight i am very proud of. parliament has stood up and said that we want the opportunity to take no deal off the table. we will pass through the legislation for that tomorrow. we need to make sure that the bill to ta ke need to make sure that the bill to take no deal off the table on 31 0ctober take no deal off the table on 31 october is given royal assent. there needs to be a scheduling to this. we do that first, and then let's have an election. what the government's trying to do is bounce us into an election and ignore the will of parliament. that's not acceptable. parliament. that's not acceptable. parliament is giving an instruction to the government that they must go to the government that they must go to the government that they must go to the european council meeting on 17 october and make sure that we do not fall out of the european union ona no not fall out of the european union on a no deal basis, something that would be so damaging to our economy. can you just explain to me, even if that bill got royal assent, you then approve an election on 14 october, there is a chance borisjohnson wins that. he can come that and he can change the rollback again. well,
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look, what we need to do is go out to the people. and i'm quite happy to the people. and i'm quite happy to go out to the people of scotland and make the case that we can't be dragged out of the european union against our will. we worked with other parties to try and stop no deal. 0ther other parties to try and stop no deal. other parties in england and wales and northern ireland it is up to them to put the case of remaining in the european union. that is what we will do in scotland, and i am convinced that we will win that case. ultimately if the rest of the united kingdom chooses to leave the european union, then that is a choice the rest of the united kingdom and make. they cannot drag scotla nd kingdom and make. they cannot drag scotland out with it. and we need to make sure that the people of scotla nd make sure that the people of scotland have got that option of an independence referendum that we can protect our interests. we will stand up protect our interests. we will stand upfor protect our interests. we will stand up for the interests of scotland. yes, we will vote with others, but our primary interest is to make sure that we deliver for the people of scotland. now, you and others, including the liberal democrats, have been pretty open about the fact that you want to stay in the eu. this bill is notjust about having no deal, is it? it is about stopping brexit. no, this bill is about making sure that we don't crash out of the european union on a no deal basis. that is what we are seeking
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to achieve. yes, of course, we want to achieve. yes, of course, we want to make sure that the people of scotla nd to make sure that the people of scotland who have voted heavily to stay in the european union, that our rights are respected. i absolutely understand that it is up to politicians in england, wales and northern ireland to make the case for remaining. it is a pointless delay. it is not a pointless delay, because the government itself has told us there is a risk to jobs, that there is a risk to the food supply, that there is a risk to the food supply, rescue medicines, even a risk in certain circumstances to life. will change between now and january? well, we need to find a solution to this. if we can make sure we remove no deal, i want to have that election that we can go to the people and we can make sure that we put that case that we should not be leaving on a no deal basis. parliamentarians are not going to be able to break this impasse. we either have to have an election or a referendum on the eu. that is a way that we can find a way forward out of this. can be achieved given that, even though you have worked together
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tonight, you all want different things, don't you? not everyone in the labour party wants a referendum. they aren't the numbers for that in the house of commons at the moment. i think it is the case that there hasn't been a unanimity of the labour party, and it is regrettable that that is the case. certainly as far as we that that is the case. certainly as faras we are that that is the case. certainly as far as we are in scotland, we have given leadership to the remain case, a very strong opposition that the scottish people wish to remain. i hope others willjoin us in that, but that is up to them. our hope others willjoin us in that, but that is up to them. 0urjob is to protect the interests of the people in scotland. ian blackford who is very much in favour of a general election. here at westminster, it's been busy all day, with groups predominantly against brexit chanting and singing — a ritual that is now very familiar in this prolonged brexit process. and the protests have notjust been here at westminster. our special correspondent lucy manning has been talking to some of those taking part. and a warning — her report contains flashing images. the most vital of brexit debates inside. passionate cries from remainers outside. losing the referendum but hoping to win the parliamentary battle,
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tonight the protesters could only look to the commons. this is like a historic moment to take back power for democracy and people, because what's happening is not ok. that's why everyone's here. i want them to vote with their consciences for what is best for the country, not what they think is best for their party. what do you want the mps to do, tonight and tomorrow? well, i want them to vote to stop no—deal, because no—deal would be disastrous. i work for the nhs. it would be an absolute disaster for the nhs. earlier, from yorkshire, remain supporters came to demand no suspension of parliament so it can block a no—deal brexit. why have you come down from yorkshire today? to stop the immoral and ridiculous nature of borisjohnson with the audacity to think that he can just take control of the house and take — and tell all the mps to go home for five weeks, when this is the most important time in our political history. it's now time for parliament to take back control and put legislation in place to delay brexit.
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it is the remain protesters who are out in force today, because the tables have turned. they are now the ones who are angrier about the proposals coming out of downing street, and what may now happen in parliament. both sides know these are decisive days. the brexiteers wary of mps trying to delay it. what about the mps, the so—called rebel mps? he'll deselect them. do you think it's right? absolutely, of course it is. you're going against democracy. you had a referendum. you were all allowed to vote. now, what is democracy? government by the people, that's the definition. it's also majority rule, and it means that there are winners and losers. but these people, these remainers, they don't respect that. they don't understand. they're talking about a coup d'etat. i haven't seen any tanks on the lawn. and, across the country, small protests were held.
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hundreds gathered in cardiff. in st austell, they demonstrated outside their mp's office. and in abington, parliament's brexit debate bringing people out. the decisions they make inside will affect everyone out here and beyond, and with a possible election, it won'tjust be those on the streets who will have their say. lucy manning, bbc news. passions running high on both sides this evening. it has been another momentous day in westminster, a day when the conservative party lost its working majority and a day when borisjohnson working majority and a day when boris johnson suffered working majority and a day when borisjohnson suffered his working majority and a day when boris johnson suffered his first parliamentary defeat. 21 conservative rebels this evening, and according to bbc colleagues, the chief whip now ringing round those tory rebels, telling them each one by one, by phone, that the whip will be withdrawn. tomorrow, many of them will be sitting on the opposition benches in the house of commons, and tomorrow we turn to the business. that is very much what tonight's
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vote was about. the opposition parties backed by those tory rebels will be taking control of the parliamentary process, putting forward legislation which they hope would take no deal off the table. another important day ahead of us, then, tomorrow. that's it from here in westminster. now it's time for the weather, with chris fawkes. hello there. uk forecast in a moment, but first of all what is going on with hurricane dorian. it has been battling the island of grande bahama. it has started to shift a little bit further northwards. the area of strong winds has expanded, but the p when gusts had come down a little bit. look at this through tuesday. gusts of about 130 mph but just 100 this through tuesday. gusts of about 130 mph butjust100 miles away on the east coast of florida, the winds have only been 45 mph. the winds being strong enough to blow the roof of your house and just space of 100 miles. that is why the forecasts are quite nervous with this

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