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this is bbc news, the headlines at 2pm. as conservative mps gather for their party conference, opposition parties consider whether to calla vote of no confidence in the government, in an attempt to avoid a no—deal brexit. meanwhile, downing street reacts angrily, as boris johnson is referred to the police watchdog over his links to an american businesswoman, when he was mayor of london. the labour leader, jeremy corbyn, promises to replace the government's controversial welfare policy, universal credit, should they get into power. renewed pressure on the trump administration over its dealings with ukraine. the us secretary of state, mike pompeo, is ordered by democrats to turn over documents connected to the impeachment investigation. incredible scenes in shizuoka, as rugby world cup hosts japan make history, by beating ireland for the first time with a stunning 19—12 victory.
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and coming up, after another gripping week in westminster, laura kuenssberg and katya adler join adam fleming and chris mason, for some brexit gossip and analysis in brexitcast. that's in half an hour. labour leader, jeremy corbyn, says a minority labour government is becoming more likely every day, as opposition parties consider whether to call a vote of no confidence in the prime minister. it follows a tumultuous week for boris johnson, with criticism of his use of language in the house of commons, and his referral to a police watchdog, following allegations that a businesswoman received favourable treatment, when he was mayor of london. the government has described that move as politically motivated. here's our political
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correspondent, nick eardley. power is seldom easy. borisjohnson has found out quicker than mostjust how hard it can be and the pressure keeps on coming. come to london, build your businesses here! the mayor of london supports you! the police watchdog has been asked to investigate his relationship with this businesswoman, jennifer arcuri, over claims she received favourable treatment, including grants and places on trade trips when mrjohnson was mayor of london. the pm denies any wrongdoing, and downing street is furious. this is issue is being politically driven, it is politically motivated, and the prime minister has been clear that proprieties were observed. mrjohnson will be in manchester later, for his party's conference. but, with parliament still sitting, 160 miles away, tory mps could be called back any minute. opposition parties are considering their next move, in the parliamentary brexit battle. the snp want to bring down
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the government next week and put any temporary prime minister, likejeremy corbyn, in place, to extend a brexit deadline and call a general election. i think it is only right and proper that he is the leader of the largest opposition party, and should have the first opportunity to form an administration. but, if another name appears in the frame, ken clarke or dominic grieve, that people can coalesce around, then i personally, and i think the snp, would have very little difficulty with that. an open goalfor labour? not quite. other opposition parties are not playing ball. so far, he just does not have the numbers and yet... it is getting more likely every single day, because this government is collapsing, it has now lost all seven votes, since boris johnson became prime minister, and this tory government has been defeated over 45 times in parliament.
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they don't have a majority, they don't have a programme, they don't have policies and they do not have any credibility. that doesn't necessarily mean the next few days, but with the 31st of october getting ever closer, the the pressure will increase. on opposition parties, and on the government, in this most fractious political periods. our political correspondent, jonathan blake, is in manchester, events in westminster overshadowing the start of the conference there. we spoke to weeks ago when you were in the sunshine of bournemouth and now you're in the rain in manchester. presumably the mood is rather different for the conservatives, as the prepare to meet at the end of this weekend, with a prospect a lot of them might be back on the train to manchester to prevent the prime minister being kicked out of office? it is a bit of a green welcome for the conservative party as they gear up for the confidence year. the prime minister is due to arrive later on this evening. it is against the backdrop
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ofa evening. it is against the backdrop of a very difficult week for him, in westminster. that decision to suspend parliament, ruled unlawful by the supreme court and getting heat on all sides in the house of commons. the distraction of a potential police investigation into his conduct while he was mayor of london. parliament will be sitting during the party conference so on tuesday and wednesday, everyone else will have half an eye, if not more, on what will be happening in westminster. with opposition parties talking up a vote of no confidence in the government. i have to say, even though the snp are talking like it could happen any day, and as you heard, jeremy corbyn saying it is increasingly likely we will see a labour minority government, there is disagreement among the opposition parties about when and how they should make the next move against borisjohnson. because, should make the next move against boris johnson. because, aside should make the next move against borisjohnson. because, aside from wanting to delay brexit, aside from wanting to delay brexit, aside from wanting to delay brexit, aside from wanting to get rid of the
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conservative government, they differ on any number of things, whether it is the liberal democrats wanting a further referendum, the snp, seemingly comfortable withjeremy corbyn going into government, albeit briefly. clyde plaid it may well be frustrating due for the conservatives particularly for the conservatives particularly for the prime minister, with pressure still being piled on yet labour certainly and the other opposition parties not quite ready to trigger a vote of no—confidence. parties not quite ready to trigger a vote of no-confidence. presumably what the conservatives fear is that while they are tied up with events in manchester and lodging of policies, such as the one today animal welfare, they may find themselves caught out by some kind of last—minute move to ambush them
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in the commons? it is certainly a risk. and there may well be some shuttling back—and—forth by conservative mps and the prime minister will be continuing in the business of government, over the next few days. and, potentially, on notice to return to westminster. the focus here will very much beyond what the conservatives want to talk about, which is their message of getting brexit done and focusing on domestic agenda. they need, of course, an election to be able to get on with that in any thing like an efficient way, because at the moment it is a minority conservative government, we have had a string of announcement already which we can expect more of over the coming days, as you mentioned, improved conditions for animal welfare, extra measures to cut carbon emissions, by 2015 and guaranteed funding for organisations which rely on money from the eu. so we will see more of
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that on the coming days and an effort by the prime minister to meet people in the surrounding area and also make sure his message gets through, which will be the message that he would like to take through into a general election campaign, that it into a general election campaign, thatitis into a general election campaign, that it is the conservative party that it is the conservative party that would get brexit done. and all his messages so far, and investing in public services, the trouble for the prime minister is that that election he wants has been denied him by the opposition parties, who don't trust him to somehow engineer the date and allow brexit to happen in the meantime. before an extension to the brexit process has been ruled out. thank you very much. jeremy corbyn has said that if labour is elected, it will scrap the government's flagship welfare system, universal credit. mr corbyn, who has been giving a speech in chingford in essex, described the benefit as "cruel and inhumane" — and outlined his party's approach. there is a number of things we will, do leading up to scrapping universal credit, in its entirety. cheering.
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but first of all, we will end the capability for work assessment tests that are so brutal to people in their lives and have led, tragically, to some people taking their own lives and committing suicide because they cannot see any way forward. as a constituency mp, i sit with people going through the pain of being told they're capable for work when they are clearly not, for work when they are clearly not. jeremy corbyn talking about what would happen if labour won a general election, not if he becomes prime minister of a minority government. asa minister of a minority government. as a result of the current prime minister being kicked out. that all depends on the opposition parties joining forces. there are signs they ta ke joining forces. there are signs they take a different approach. leading democrats, in congress, have made their first demand for documents in the impeachment inquiry into president trump.
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liberal democrat mp — christine jardine — joins us from edinburgh. it is not unreasonable for the quintessential jeremy it is not unreasonable for the quintessentialjeremy corbyn is a next largest leader of the house of commons. unfortunately, it would be a problem because jeremy commons. unfortunately, it would be a problem becausejeremy corbyn cannot command the support of the house. the snp seem to be seeing one 01’ house. the snp seem to be seeing one or two different things, that they don't insist onjeremy corbyn, that people will listen to anyone, but jeremy corbyn, the numbers don't add up. you cannot command the support of many of his own mps. he will certainly not command the support of conservative mps, and anna, the independents have said they would not support him. we are repeating ourselves, aren't we? this has been
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the problem all along in the house of commons over brexit. everyone can agree what they don't want but they can't agree what they do want, in this case who they want as prime minister. what we want is a government of national unity. what we wa nt government of national unity. what we want there is a national leader. someone who can rise above party allegiances. that is what we have to go with us, because simply saying thatjeremy corbyn is the leader of the official opposition is not going to be enough. what we need to do is find someone that parties will coalesce around, because we have been working together, we have been working cross—party and let us not forget that the snp has another agenda here. john mcdonnell and jeremy corbyn are on record as saying that labour would not stand ina the saying that labour would not stand in a the way of a second scottish rep independence referendum. as a scot, i think independents should not come into this and it should be
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about what is best for the united kingdom and that we should look for the person who can lead a government and actually, for a short period, get us through this mess. under the terms of parliament act, there can bea terms of parliament act, there can be a vote of no confidence in a period of up to 1a days in which negotiations can proceed for forming an alternative administration before tacitus itself in house of commons. is that not the time to have this argument? —— testing its self. surely the purpose of it is clear and ina surely the purpose of it is clear and in a sense it doesn't matter who is prime minister. you want to get borisjohnson out is prime minister. you want to get boris johnson out so is prime minister. you want to get borisjohnson out so he cannot, effectively, leave the uk out of the european union without a deal on the 31st of october and you can achieve all of that without wasting time arguing over who gets to sit in seat? the problem is, if we do not have someone identified, or at least one 01’ have someone identified, or at least one or two people we can talk about identified to be the prime minister
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in that government of national unity, if the government loses a lot of no confidence, borisjohnson knows this, she can then sit it out for two weeks. while we discuss it. and then he can get the election which, without that extension, in writing, and enacted, to then drive us writing, and enacted, to then drive us out of the european union without a deal. his own documents, his own government invites is that that would be disastrous. that has to be the priority. the best way of ensuring that we don't actually, that we don't have the food shortages, the medicine supplies, running short, people on the one comes being the worst affected, the best way of ensuring that does not happen, is that we are ready, that we know who will coalesce around in house of commons, and say, here is oui’ house of commons, and say, here is our alternative prime minister, for a short period, to get us through
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this difficulty. then we have a referendum or general election and move forward. but we cannot do it while we don't know who will lead that government. jo swinson is correct, we have to find that person before we can... can we be absolutely clear. if the labour party or the snp were to take the vote motion of no confidence, and the government and the prime minister next week, in the absence of that agreement, the lib dems would not support it? we don't know. at the moment, people are talking about disability... you either supported because you agree who's going to replace the prime minister 01’ going to replace the prime minister or not. what i am saying is that our priority at the moment is to stop a disastrous no—deal brexit, which, operation yellowhammer, the government's loan papers, say would be disastrous. on that basis, sorry to interrupt you, on that basis that
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your priority is this, are you not putting the cart before the horse in arguing about the prime minister? no. don't you and the rebel tories say we do not accentjeremy corbyn but we will put up with it. what we wa nt but we will put up with it. what we want is national unity and u nfortu nately want is national unity and unfortunately jeremy corbyn is want is national unity and unfortunatelyjeremy corbyn is as divisive a figure as borisjohnson, in many ways. we need someone who is not divisive. we need to find that other person for us, as liberal democrats, we are the main party, with the biggest strongest party, we are the ones who have promised we will go back to the people. we whether susan started the campaign for a referendum. —— whether susan started the campaign fora referendum. —— we whether susan started the campaign for a referendum. —— we were the ones who started. after that, have a referendum or a general election in which we will clearly stand a mandate for stopping brexit. who is it? some events cable? you mentioned
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ken clarke. sir vince cable? who are these people who are so respected on all sides, despite the atmosphere of the last few months, that they could possibly command, you're asking the impossible? you have mentioned several people who command respect across the house and he talks about holding our nose and going with someone we do not like. for us, that might mean accepting someone who we respect, but don't agree with. such as ken clarke. for the others it might be vince cable, someone with respect across the house. that is what we need to focus on and we need to have that person ready to say what they will do to avoid a no—deal brexit, and then to give the country the choice, is this what you really want? ordo the choice, is this what you really want? or do you want to just stop this damaging brexit? thank you very
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much. leading democrats, in congress, have made their first demand for documents in the impeachment inquiry into president trump. the secretary of state, mike pompeo, has been ordered to hand over ukraine—related material, within a week. the us special envoy to ukraine, kurt volker, has resigned. our north america correspondent, david willis, reports. god bless you, mr president! donald trump is defiant and lashing out on his preferred medium, twitter. taking aim at the man who will play a key role in his impeachment hearings, the democratic chairman of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff. of him, the president said: the whistle—blower, who revealed details of his telephone conversation with ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskiy, mr trump has branded a ‘partisan operative'.
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yet, the whistle—blower‘s account of events has proved uncannily accurate, not only about the contents of the telephone call, but attempts by the white house to cover them up. they have now confirmed that a transcript of the call was moved to a more secure server. as the democrats' impeachment inquiry gathers pace, today saw the first subpoena to the secretary of state, mike pompeo, demanding documents relating to contacts between members of his staff and the government of ukraine. committee members also said they had scheduled depositions from five state department officials, among them the former us ambassador to the ukraine, marie yovanovitch, who was recalled over policy disagreements with president trump. and the us special envoy to ukraine, kurt volker, who is said to have helped president trump's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, set up meetings there with government officials. shortly after the news
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of the depositions was announced, mr volker resigned from his job at the state department. president trump's reaction to the impeachment inquiry continues to veer from anger to incredulity. the witchhunt continues. but they are getting hit hard on this witchhunt, because when they look at the information, it's a joke. impeachment for that? yet the pressure is growing from outside congress, as well as within. more than 300 former us national security officials, from both republican and democratic administrations, have endorsed the impeachment inquiry, saying they want to know the facts. events are moving quickly here, with some democrats predicting that articles of impeachment could be ready to be voted on by the end of november. david willis, bbc news, los angeles. with me is doctor leslie vinjamuri, head of the us and americas programme at the foreign relations think—tank, chatham house.
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thank you for coming to talk to us again. things are moving with some pace in the united states, now the democrats have decided to begin this impeachment process. what do you make of that decision? think nancy pelosi has been under pressure from certain parts of her party to begin impeachment hearings for quite some time and she has been very pragmatic. she has let the muller report run its course, watched findings be released, it has allowed a number of investigations. remember there are investigations ongoing in multiple committees. she has resisted, until this point, turning this into a formal impeachment. so i think the news of the whistle—blower report, the initial refusal of the executive branch to turn that over to the house, the transcripts such as we saw, i think nancy pelosi made as we saw, i think nancy pelosi made a very clearjudgment that there was no other path than to actually begin it. and you have a sense, because in the past have been lots of enquiries
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by congress against the president, almost seems as if it has been dragged from the administration to defend the president on a weekly basis, it has seemed. the reaction from the trump base has been that it is all politics, just games playing. will this process be seen differently? because presumably it isa differently? because presumably it is a political risk for the democrats? it is, remember that the most important decision is whether 01’ most important decision is whether or not the actions of the president we re or not the actions of the president were unlawful, whether he violated the trust of the american people and i think that as people begin to see the ceilings, as they begin to see the ceilings, as they begin to see the evidence, the attitudes will change. some of those attitudes will harden against the democrats, but inevitably when the question of a president, the allegations of a president working with a foreign government to interfere in future elections, and also to link
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america's military assistance to condition it on that pressure, our very grave. so i think as we ceos hearing, peoples attitudes will change. we have seen, since the decision, an uptick, more people supporting... quicker magic in some of the polls? i saw one —— quite dramatic. 12% in one, presumably that will settle down but perhaps it suggests the public are engaging more? the numbers have not spent as much on the republican side, but it is going to be very dynamic. attitudes will change, a lot will come down to how the hearings are conducted. exactly what charges may forward , conducted. exactly what charges may forward, and how the evidence is framed. there will be a campaign, we have already seen it, to defame the whistle—blower by the president, and the people around him. a lot of people help you off from this administer should. we have seen very
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high resignation from kurt volker, a number of people will testify, people who the american public respect. so the notion that this is just more of the same, i think, is fundamentally misconceived and under anticipates how much is going to come out over the next few months. the logic is the democrats have enough, presumably. but they will impeach in terms of the initial house recommendations that goes to a trial in the senate. where they don't have the votes, whereas course they do in the house. forgiveness, i don't recall what happened, i remember bill clinton, but i can't, does the president have to give evidence himself? if it goes to the senate, there is a hit hearing and thatis senate, there is a hit hearing and that is very important. the word eve ryo ne that is very important. the word everyone exercise is it will get in the senate, but this is, there is a rush right now to say what william outcome be? the important thing right now is a process. the politics
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of it, it is uncovering that evidence and getting to the truth. this is when the democrats have moved forward. nancy pelosi did not wa nt to moved forward. nancy pelosi did not want to move into what would be highly political process in the run—up to the general, the primary is and then the general elections. because it did not work for the republicans, they threw everything at bill clinton and he, got off. presumably they know about political risks? they do, but you have to ask the question in a different way. what would it look like for the speaker of the house to have these allegations and the evidence she has so far in front of her and turned her eyes the other way and say it doesn't matter. politically unsustainable. that gain of track record. presumably it would cost the job? the other way to look at it is any number of individuals, democrats and republicans, will be called to account and have to make a decision. if they say it is ok for the
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president of the united states to put pressure on a foreign government to investigate, the man who at that time, july 25, joe biden was the very clear frontrunner for the democratic candidate, for the general election. so, to say it doesn't matter, to say that it is ok to link military assistance to whether or not a foreign government will investigate a candid, if that is what emerges, that is what the evidence looks like right now, if that emerges to be true, that would bea that emerges to be true, that would be a very significant thing to give a pass to. finally, on the president was neck position. he feels very angry whenever he, he spoke about sick people trying to get him and friends in the media and all the rest of it. based on how he has performed so far and previous examples, how does the white house
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need to manage the president during this process? i am sure that inside of the white house, there is a lot of the white house, there is a lot of conversation and a lot of chaos around this and i think there is a great concern, not only that the president will respond very poorly to this, but that it will really dry washington to a complete halt on any of the really important issues that are at stake. whether it is a surrounding health care, immigration, foreign policy, so much right now that is really at a critical point. and the us needs to play a very significant role and donald trump has to drive the policy andi donald trump has to drive the policy and i think this will be a very significant distraction. but when you see these kind of allegations, there is nothing else that you can do but cause and give them very serious consideration. thank you so much.
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a rally is being held in hong kong to mark five years since the original umbrella protests. the original series of pro—democracy demonstrations took place in 2014 — with protestors carrying umbrellas to protect themselves from police pepper spray. the movement has surged again this year with anti—government protests. stephen mcdonell has the latest from hong kong. this evening, as it is in hong kong, we have had water cannons used in an attempt to disperse protesters. the initial cause was this piece of legislation, the hong kong executive wa nted legislation, the hong kong executive wanted to put through, to allow people from hong kong to be sent to court in china if they were wanted
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by the chinese authorities, for offences on the mainland. a lot of people saw that as basically a free pass to the chinese government, because the chinese courts are not seen by many people in hong kong, is independent of the chinese government, they are perceived to be independent of the hong kong executive. nonetheless, the protests have continued after the bill is gone. the use of the water cannon pretty graphic pictures, i'm not sure an umbrella will protect you from the force of some of the water. but it has not made a lot of difference and there is no sign of the protests coming to an end anytime soon. we will get more from hong kong and sooner we can bring it to you. the hosts of the rugby world cup — japan — have recorded one of the biggest upsets in the sport's history. they have beaten ireland — one of the favourites to lift the trophy — by 19 points to 12. our sports correspondent, andy swiss, watched the match in shizuoka. well, what a memorable night for the thousands of japan fans, here in shizuoka. four years ago, at the world cup,
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of course, it was south africa. now it was ireland on the end of another remarkable giant—killing. ireland, who seemed to have taken control of the first half, they scored two early tries. the first from gary ringrose as he collected a fine kick from jack carty. carty then set up the second try as well, for rob kearney. at that point, ireland really seemed in control. they were 12—3 up. butjapan upped the tempo. they came back before the break, three penalties meant ireland led only 12—9, at half—time. butjapan had all the momentum and then, with 20 minutes to go, japan scored a try that sent theirfans into raptures. the try, courtesy of kenki fukuoka. he went over in the corner. that gave them the lead, ireland could find no way back as japan landed a late penalty to make it 19—12 at the final whistle. such disappointment for ireland,
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but forjapan, it is now two wins out of two and, after other a memorable night here, they are on course to make the quarterfinals. now, it's time for a look at the weather with chris. it depends where you are in the uk today. we have mixed fortunes across the country for sure. we have some wet weather across the north—east of scotland. another weather front here going nowhere fast. sunny spells for north—western areas but then this rain moving into wales and the south—west, so there's a lot going on. overnight this band of rain will push northwards and eastwards with strong gusty winds affecting some of our english channel coastal areas, up our english channel coastal areas, up to 55 mph. on account of the cloud, the rain

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