tv Outside Source BBC News October 3, 2019 9:00pm-9:31pm BST
hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. the eu and its members have been reacting to borisjohnson‘s brexit plans. we now have written proposals that we can engage on. but they do fall short in a number of aspects. the status of the irish border remains the biggest issue. borisjohnson says his proposals "go the extra mile" — but they're not enough for uk's opposition parties. what we have before us is a rehashed version of previously—rejected proposals. if there was any doubt donald trump wanted other countries to targetjoe biden, he said said this today. china should start an investigation into the bidens. trump is already facing an impeachment inquiry for asking ukraine to do the same in a phone call in the summer.
anthony zurcher in washington will explain. and we'll be getting more on the impact of brexit on the uk economy. that's all coming up on outside source. yesterday, the uk delivered new proposals for a brexit deal. today we're getting the eu's reaction. first up, european council president, donald tusk... the core obstacle to a brexit deal is this — how can the uk leave the eu's single market and customs union and avoid there being any checks on or close to the border between the republic of ireland and northern ireland?
the current agreement that the uk parliament rejected repeatedly, includes the irish border backstop. it says that after brexit, the uk remains aligned to the eu's customs union until a new trade deal is signed. but borisjohnson and many brexiteers want that gone — these new plans are their alternative. the brexit steering group at the european parliament says... here's its chair, guy verhofstadt. well, we are very sceptical about this proposal. because mainly, it is a repackaging of the old proposals that have already been discussed between the two parties. and so, we are very sceptical.
and we think that it is not a serious alternative for the backstop, as has been foreseen. and lest we forget... here's a useful reminder from here's a useful reminderfrom my colleague. both the house of commons in the eu will have to sign off on any agreement. and the eu won't say yes unless ireland says yes. here's its prime minister, who's in sweden. the proposals that have been put forward by the uk are certainly welcome in the sense that we now have written proposals that we can engage on. but they do fall short in a number of aspects. but our objective is very clear — we don't want to see any custom posts between north and south, nor do we want to see any tariffs or restrictions on trade on north and south. they were all abolished
in the 1990s, and we don't want to go back to that. the majority of the people in the north don't, the majority of the people in the republic don't. but if we are going to be in two different customs unions, i think that creates a real difficulty that will be very hard to reconcile. time is very, very short. remember, the uk government formally started the process of leaving the eu two—and—a—half years ago. but there are only two weeks between these plans being revealed and an eu summit on 17 october. if the uk is to leave with a deal, it needs to be agreed by then. that timescale for negotiations of this scale and stature is incredibly tight. and if there's no deal — well, borisjohnson says he'd "rather be dead in a ditch" than ask for another delay. the problem is though, that uk law demands that he do just
that if there's no deal by 19 october. but he says he won't ask for an extension. so it's far from clear what will happen if we get to that point. damian grammaticas is in brussels. well, i think the key thing we've seen today is the eu coalescing around a response to the uk offer. it is summed up by donald tusk, who said they stand behind ireland and are unconvinced by the uk. and from jean—claude juncker, who has spoken to the irish prime minister — he has come out and said that some things have to change in the uk offer for it to be accepted. first of all, the effective veto given to the northern ireland assembly, the democratic unionists — they say that is not a stable platform on which to build a deal, that would have to be changed. and also, the customs arrangements. the eu needs a workable solution, and it doesn't see in this a workable solution. now that element has to change, as well.
the uk's chief negotiator is here and will be having meetings tomorrow. i think critical thing will be how those develop. does the eu see in that room to continue negotiations? otherwise, it's saying it doesn't see a solution in what's being presented by borisjohnson. let me remind you what's in this new plan. the most significant change is what happens in northern ireland. the backstop would be scrapped. under mrjohnson‘s new proposal, northern ireland would stay in the eu single market for all goods, so it would stick with the eu's rules and regulations. that removes the need for product standard and safety checks at the border between ireland and northern ireland. but that does create the need for checks between northern ireland and the rest of the uk. when it comes to the eu customs union, northern ireland would not remain in it. so this would mean northern ireland and the republic of ireland ending up in two different customs
territories, and, for example, lorries entering the irish republic from northern ireland will need to complete customs declarations. critics are saying this is the worst of all worldsm because northern ireland would be sujected to two borders — regulatory checks in the irish sea, and a customs border with the republic. borisjohnson boris johnson says borisjohnson says this addresses many concerns brexiteers have. he points to the dup being supportive of these plans, and he says this is the best foundation for an agreement with the eu. we will see if brussels agrees, and just to reiterate, and deal they come to must be signed off by all the 27 members of the eu, plus the house of commons. today, boris johnson made his pitch in westminster. this government's objective has always been to leave with a deal. and these constructive and reasonable proposals show our seriousness of purpose.
they do not deliver everything that we would have wished. they do represent a compromise. but to remain a prisoner of existing positions is to become a cause of deadlock, rather than breakthrough. and so we have made a genuine attempt to bridge the chasm to reconcile the apparently irreconcilable, and to go the extra mile as time runs short. if our european neighbours choose not to show a corresponding willingness to reach a deal, then we shall have to leave on 31 october without an agreement. the leader of the opposition gave this response. what we have before us is a rehashed version of previously—rejected proposals. that put the good friday agreement at risk, that would trigger a race to the bottom on rights and protections for workers, coi'isuitiei's, and our
precious environment. given the seriousness of this issue and the vagueness of the proposal so far, can the prime minister till this house if and when he plans to publish the full legal text that he must submit to the eu? these proposals would lead to an even worse deal than that agreed by the former prime minister. the dealjeremy corbyn refers to is this one — the withdrawal agreement that theresa may and the eu agreed last november. it is 585 pages long. it is all online if you like to read it. asjeremy corbyn points out, we don't have a full detailed breakdown of borisjohnson‘s new proposals, we have this — uk proposals for an ammended protocol on the irish border. it's seven pages long. so it appears that much of theresa may's deal will stay. if a plan can be agreed on how the uk and the eu will trade,
that will impact the border with the republic of ireland. a block of conservatives refused to vote for theresa may's deal because of the irish backstop among other reasons, and parliament rejected it three times. but many of those rebels now support borisjohnson‘s proposals. here's one of them. there is a mood for compromise, people want to get this done. and there is considerably more trust in the final outcome of brexit because boris is committed to a free—trade agreement at the end of it. so i would say there is very strong grounds for optimism. the question is whether the eu will be prepared to compromise? because if they won't compromise, then we will leave anyway on 31 october, i have no doubts about that. the other key opponents to theresa may's deal were northern ireland's democratic unionist party. this time, they are more positive. we have now a sensible uk—wide arrangement
for customs out of the eu. and if there's any difference to be had, we haven't agreed to that. but the process has now been agreed that it has to have the consent of the elected representatives of the people of northern ireland. that's a vast improvement. the northern irish assembly in stormont has been suspended for nearly three years — that's one issue with the proposals. the other is the amount of opposition to them in northern ireland, which as a whole voted to remain in the eu back in 2016. this is from a sinn fein member of the northern irish assembly... he then lists all the political parties that oppose them, including sinn fein. he also lists the northern ireland trade groups that are against borisjohnson‘s proposals.
here's dawn foster from the guardian on this issue. he hasn't been particularly clear about how he thinks that the checks will happen around the border. i've spoken to a lot of people in northern ireland who run businesses, who represent the business community. and off the record, they said that they were completely unconvinced and had no idea how this was going to work. borisjohnson said there be no physical infrastructure, and we know from surveys of people in ireland that any physical infrastructure runs the risk of being torn down. —— in northern ireland. but if there isn't physical infrastructure, it is unclear exactly how the checks will happen. you might wonder how the dup is keener on this plan. they stand for maintaining the union of the uk, it is normally opposed to any diversions between northern ireland and the rest of the uk. so what is different here? here's our uk political correspondent rob watson on why the dup are backing these new proposals. it's because they have a veto. and i
think nothing can happen that they don't like. so that is the point on the dup. what about westminster more broadly? do you agree with the analysis that this is looking better for borisjohnson analysis that this is looking better for boris johnson than analysis that this is looking better for borisjohnson than it did theresa may? yes and no. yes in the sense that the wing of the conservative party, the pro—brexit wing who hated theresa may's deal are happier now. why? because boris johnson is talking about a post brexit relationship, it's relationship is much more distant, it has a much more distant relationship of the eu. that is what they want, so they're happy. other are also a bit more optimistic. they know the damage the brexit crisis is doing to the conservative party, so they pretty much sign up to anything in order to end that. as for the rest of parliament, the opposition parties are all united in thinking that this deal is, if anything, even worse than theresa may's. so in terms of parliamentary arithmetic,
it feels like the equation has changed a bit. but it still looks like a very tough sell. one key opponent to the new proposals is nigel farage, the leader of the brexit party — which was the biggest party in the uk in the european elections in may. here he is earlier... he then talks about what he calls a clean brexit, which is leaving without a deal. there's really nothing clean about any route the brexit process takes in the coming months. the brexit party doesn't have a presence in westminster, but they want one, and that is a worry for the conservative party, as vicki young explains. nigel farage very clearly wants a no—deal brexit, to he says would end up being side deals, not no deal in the end. but that's what he is going for. and if it came to the point of a general election, that's exactly what nigel farage be saying.
that's why all this is so interesting. i think lots of mps over the last few days, as well as cabinet members — i think most of them think we are headed towards a general election, because i feel that in the end, borisjohnson, even though he says he won't do it, will end up being forced to ask for that extension article 50, that delay for brexit. and privately what has changed is lots of tory mps felt that if borisjohnson was forced to do that, it would be a massive problem for him if he then went into a general election, because nigel farage and the brexit party would say he's going against his word, we aren't leaving at the end of october. the reason a general election is looming in the uk is because the government no longer has a majority. borisjohnson kicked out a number of mps form his own party for not supporting his brexit strategy — and that made it worse. but some commentators think borisjohnson could get his new brexit proposals through parliament. although jeremy corbyn is against the new proposals, some labour mps may not be. steven swinford at the times says...
michael savage at the observer says... we should first of all emphasise there is no planned vote on this, and secondly, the eu would have to agree to everything borisjohnson is offering. at the moment it doesn't seem like it is going to, so when the deal comes back in a different form to the current proposals. here's rob watson again, on when the uk might have a general election. it depends on the first instance, will there be a deal between the uk in the eu? that is looking slightly tricky. let's say there is not a
deal, and the question then is would borisjohnson deal, and the question then is would boris johnson really deal, and the question then is would borisjohnson really carry out his threat to leave the eu without a deal, even though there is a law against that in this country? if he's not going to do that, that means there'll be an extension to the brexit process. and at that point, we will have what is known in the trade as a major democratic event. and it seems to me that that will be a general election, possibly followed by a referendum, depending on who wins it heaven or the politicians could decide that much as they hate the idea of a second referendum, let's do that and have a general election. but look, a major democratic event is coming to a screen new year “— democratic event is coming to a screen new year —— near you. one mp who left the conservative party over the government's brexit policy is anna soubry, and she does not trust borisjohnson's motives... "the government's new two border #brexit "deal" is wrong in principle and unworkable in practise."
she calls it a trap, an effort to shift the blame from mrjohnson to the eu. she says he is ramping up for in no deal. and the scottish nationalist party agree with her. these proposals are unacceptable. they are unworkable. they are undeliverable. it is all about blaming someone else. in this case, the european union when its plan is rejected. so opposition mps don't trust borisjohnsons's proposals, i asked rob watson if any conservative mps feel the same way. there are two theories about it. one is that borisjohnson is sincere and wa nts to is that borisjohnson is sincere and wants to get a deal, and they are hoping that you will decide that making concessions is better than no deal or an extension. and there are other conservatives and politicians who think that all of this is rather cynical, and that mrjohnson knows he can't get a deal, but what he is waiting for his being able to be
rejected by the eu, then go to the british public can say that he tried to deliver brexit, but it was those pesky foreigners in brussels and europe, and the pesky opposition parties. let's have another general election and vote for me. in a few moments we will turn away from brexit. still to come: we'll be finding out why some companies are reconsidering their involvement in facebook‘s new cryptocurrency. a group of women has lost a high court challenge to the government's decision to raise their state pension age to 65. two of the claimants had argued that millions of women approaching retirement had not been given enough time to prepare for the changes. their legal representative said the campaign would continue. the aim of this arduous legal process has been to rectify a substantial and far—reaching injustice, which has impacted
u nfa i rly injustice, which has impacted unfairly upon at least 3 million women, causing them lasting and u ntold women, causing them lasting and untold damage. the hardship caused by this situation has become increasingly recognised by the wider public over the last decade. sadly today, that injustice remains. the struggle on behalf of those beleaguered women whose stories saddened thejudges, but beleaguered women whose stories saddened the judges, but for whom thisjudgement provided no relief, will continue. this is outside source, live from the bbc newsroom. european leaders have been reviewing borisjohnson's latest brexit offer. the european parliament says it has grave concerns, and ireland's prime minister says it doesn't form the basis for an agreement. plenty of drama in washington.
donald trump has called for both ukraine and china to investigate his potential presidential rivaljoe biden. that is extraordinary in itself. but as sam stein at the daily beast and many others have pointed out... democrats have already launched an impeachment enquiry after learning that donald trump asked the ukrainian president to investigate joe biden during a phone call injuly. here he is earlier. china should start an investigation into the bidens. because happened to china is just about as bad as what happened with... with ukraine. president zelinski, if it were me, i recommend that they start an investigation into the bidens because nobody has any doubt that they were not crooked. joe biden's campaign
has responded... trump and his allies claim that whenjoe biden was vice—president he abused his power to pressure ukraine to back away from a criminal investigation that could implicate his son hunter, who worked for a ukrainian energy company. but these allegations have been widely discredited. there is no evidence that joe biden took any action to intentionally benefit his son, nor is there any evidence of wrongdoing by hunter biden. as for the china allegations, anthony zurcher is in washington for us. these china allegations centre around 2013 trip thatjoe biden as vice president took to china, he brought along his son who had and was involved in investment company that a variety of dealings and ten days after hunter biden
returned from china on that trip, one of those investment companies set up a fund, an investment fund with the bank of china. they aspire to raise over $1 billion. there is no evidence that they raised that much money and that hunter biden's lawyers says the total amount was about $4 million — so far from the billion dollars and hunter biden did not make any money off the deal nor did he have a financial stake in that investment company until 2017, afterjoe biden left the vice presidency. but the allegation is similar to the ukrainian allegations that hunter biden was trafficking on his father's name in order to help propel his business dealings — although that is not illegal, there is some appearance of impropriety raised when that sort of thing set up. cracks seems to be forming in the coalition that facebook assembled to build a global
cryptocurrency payments system. visa, mastercard, and now paypal are reported to be reconsidering their involvement in libra. global regulators had already voiced their concerns. vivienne nunis is in new york. for people who have not been following this, what is the product and where concerned about it? well this is a crypto currency that facebook plans to launch next year. it says it is a way to provide millions of people around the world, particularly those who don't have access to bank accounts, a way of performing financial transactions online. it's pretty hard to do without a bank account, and facebook says it will provide a way of doing that through this libra crypto currency. you would convert your existing money into libra. the way facebook has gone about trying to convince people he should be in charge of a system like this is to have a group called the libra association providing credibility but also financial investment to get
this project off the ground. what we are hearing now is that some companies are part of this group are getting cold feet, particularly paypal walking away from the product because they don't have the confidence that facebook has been able to reassure regulators in the face of what has been a pretty widespread backlash. just in the last minute, give us an update on the markets, please? the markets eventually turned around today. there have been recoveries in all the major micrometer industries in the major micrometer industries in the us. all are in the green today, recovering some of those selling office in the last couple days. thank you very much. much more on that coming up. we have a short addition of outside source today because in a few minutes, the next edition of brexit cast is on its way. if you don't subscribe to the podcast, but that right straightaway
by downloading the bbc sounds apt and funny easily. i'll be back with this in 2—3 minutes. good evening. if you've been with us over the last few days, you will no doubt have already heard about hurricane lorenzo, which was an extremely powerful category five storm for a time in the atlantic. but as it moved closer, it has weekend. it was a low—end category two hurricane at the stage, it has weakened even further as it's headed towards the british isles. certainly not hurricane any more, so x hurricane lorenzo has been drifting its way north westwards across the atlantic. it has whipped up some big cds, big waves crashing into the coastline of the republic of ireland, and some big wins here. notice the white line squashing
together on the weather chart. but watch those white lines as they stretch apart. this area of low pressure as we go through tomorrow, really dying a death, that significantly. so it isjust really dying a death, that significantly. so it is just the bog—standard area of low pressure moving its way out to the british isles into the northwest of europe as we head towards the start of the weekend. if you are travelling further afield, this area of low pressure to the southeast could be problematic. we've seen wet weather sliding across the balkans, that rain affecting greece during friday, romania and bulgaria. saturday increasingly gets into turkey with potential downpours, gusts of wind could cause problems for travel plans. that is how europe looks into this week. more cloud further north, and some cool air diving down from the north. so it looks pretty cool in paris over the coming days, there will be some showers at time, madrid holding into the dust onto the
sunshine. berlin 10 celsius at best on sunday and monday. look at that in moscow, 3—5dc with wintry showers early in the season. as we look towards south asia, what we expect at this time of year is the southwest monsoons to be pulling away and things to be drying out. but that is not the case, the rain continues — after if you'd drier days, the wet weather returns with a vengeance on days, the wet weather returns with a vengeance on friday. saturday you can see these torrential downpours. we are likely to hear further stories of flooding from india. and we had a storm moving across the grid, this was a typhoon that wea ke ns to grid, this was a typhoon that weakens to a tropical storm, and it is now just an weakens to a tropical storm, and it is nowjust an area of low pressure a bit like lorenzo. it has weakened into a standard area of low pressure, but that will still bring some very heavy rain across the north of japan as we head some very heavy rain across the north ofjapan as we head through the next few days. there could be some flooding here that will then slide away, things will improve but it will turn rather chilly. back home as we look ahead to tomorrow in the uk, i showed you a lorenzo
filling in easing, meaning the principal ease. more details in half an hour. without any more ado, let us give you the latest instalment. so last week here you had a giant flask of coffee, tea ? week here you had a giant flask of coffee, tea? yes, that is what i would say it was. and some raspberries. now i am the raspberry. iam raspberries. now i am the raspberry. i am gazing adoringly at you. i could blow a raspberry at you. welcome.
we still have not got any raspberries here but... you have a banana. adam and brussels. 0k, it has been another big week. really, i feel cross side, actually. my binder is got increasingly thicker. and are we poised to get a new brexit deal? brussels asked concrete proposals. operational and whether the prime minister come up with? new protocols