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we dreamt about it, if that was a possibility, but it wasn't. and could things go even further? there is speculation that artificial wombs could one day be used to grow babies outside of a woman's body for the full nine months. hello, it's wednesday, it's 10 i think it's empowering o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. for women that there's more than one way to reproduce, helen mcourt was 22 when she was because you don't have to worry murdered over 30 years ago. about the morning sickness and changes to your body. it could be really her killer has never revealed good for your career, if you want to focus on that. where he buried her body. her mum has campaigined for years for a law to stop the release of those who don't dislcose the location of their victims‘ bodies. the law, helen's law, was finally included but dr oei says there hasn't been enough research to consider this as a possibility. in the government's plans at the moment, i would completely for new legilsation this week, but her daughter's murderer is due advise against it, because we don't know what the consequences are for the babies. our aim is to save the lives for release next month. of extremely preterm babies. dr oei says the technology is nearly ready. will the law be in place in time but is society ready? to help this family? harry dunn's parents have been to the white house to ask president trump to send the woman a group of designers in amsterdam have created this to represent who killed their son in a motorbike what the technology could look like. crash back to the uk
to face questionning. i asked him again, i said if it was the inflatable balloons are like wombs with babies your 19—year—old son, or your son, inside and the tubes coming out of them would carry the fluids that no matter what age, you would be babies need to survive. doing the same as me. and he was this was one of holding my hand at the time and he the first sketches... said, yes, iwould. lisa, working with the hospital, created a model because she feels the key to society accepting this new technology is the way it will look. also, we'll bring you the incredible story that you wouldn't really imagine in less than ten years, artificial wombs could be putting your baby in a plastic bag. used to save the lives you wouldn't feel comfortable with that. of severely premature babies. so, we need to think about a design that you feel comfortable we close the bag, this is the to save your baby or to have your baby totally outside artificial placenta and it is of the female uterus. connected to the baby with the umbilical cord of the placenta and the umbilical cord of the baby. 50 so, this technology could well revolutionise the umbilical cord of the baby. 50 pregnancy as we know it. the baby is getting everything it needs and it is breathing? no, it's not breathing, what is happening is but while it seems to offer parents hope, could it actually that the baby is prevented from end up presenting them breathing by being inside liquid, like it would be in the womb. with an extremely difficult choice? as it is now, if the child is 22 weeks, we just simply do not treat and, and we'll talk to the man who took unfortunately, the child dies. this amazing picture and won
wildlife photographer of the year. but with the artificial wombs, it seems to be the case that they have to actively say "no, we're not going to save the child", which can evoke feelings of being a bad parent, you know, and letting the foetus down. so, i think that's hello. going to be tough. welcome to the programme. despite some concerns, we're live until 11 this morning. doctors plan to start testing we're about to show artificial wombs on humans within the next ten years, you something really dramatic — in the hope this could save the lives of millions that you might find distressing of preterm babies around the world. if you or someone you know has had a heart attack or cardiac arrest. this exclusive footage shows the moment mark kingsland collapsed during a karate session. how incredible is that?! and on bbc news online, you can read more of the stories behind the bbc‘s 100 women of 2019 — that's this year's list of 100 inspiring and influential women mark! mark! can youjust would you know what to do if someone you were with went mark! mark! can you just help me? into cardiac arrest?
that's what happened to mark kingsland and steve hare — old friends and karate partners. we're going to talk to them we'll bring you the full story in a moment about how steve helped save his friends life. but first, take a look at later about how mark's friend what happened when they were having a gentle sparring session on a sunday afternoon, in this exclusive footage. steve hare saved his life. indistinct chatter. and we'll show you the right way to do cpr. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag victoria live. first, a news summary. good morning, call an ambulance. call an ambulance! everyone. if a deal was to be agreed —— it would still have to been approved yeah, just walking across the room. by mps in westminster. the parents of harry dunn have indistinct conversation. refused to meet the woman involved in the crash which killed their son, during a visit to the white h0use. president trump offered charlotte charles and tim dunn the chance to meet anne sacoolas.
they didn't know she was waiting in the next room. mrs sacoolas, who is married to a us diplomat, returned to america days after the crash which killed the 19—year—old, claiming diplomatic immunity. and we'll be speaking to radd seiger, who's representing the family, and went with them to the white house, later in the programme. president erdogan of turkey has insisted he will "never declare a ceasefire" to end the military wow. mark is all right, he's here offensive against kurdish forces in northern syria. he also dismissed the likely right now. thank goodness! there are impact of us sanctions on the turkish economy, moments in that way you think that's saying he wasn't worried about them. he was speaking before a visit to ankara by it. well, i was i died. did a high—level us delegation. moments in that way you think that's it. well, iwas i died. did you, officially? yes, dead. goodness me. how did you know what to do? well, i four people have been detained by police in the bulgarian capital, sofia, following racist chanting have had some sort of training in directed at england's footballers the past, cpr. but as you can see on monday night. from the video, i didn't expect it, the bulgarian interior i thought he was mucking around, to ministry said the people had been held to investigate those be honest because we normally film who are responsible for improper acts during the match. ourtraining be honest because we normally film our training sessions. the iphone was recording your sparring? yes, england's players were subjected sometimes he falls around during the to racists chants and nazi salutes during their 6—0 victory. session, forward rolls, backward
roles. i thought he was fooling around but as i got closer, i more than a thousand children were caught with weapons in school last year, realised he wasn't, it was something a bit more real. can you remember according to a survey of 29 police what it felt like or not? no memory the survey by the press association found the weapons included knives, blades, knuckledusters whatsoever. brain just and a taser stun gun. the children included a 14—year—old with a sword and a four—year—old what it felt like or not? no memory whatsoever. brainjust must what it felt like or not? no memory whatsoever. brain just must have shut down and just erased all with an unnamed weapon. memories a couple of days the duke of sussex became beforehand, up to about three or four days afterwards. can you emotional as he paid tribute to inspirational children explain, simon, sorry, i haven't at the wellchild awards ceremony last introduce you. simon gillespie from the british heart foundation. can you explain why what steve did night in london. before the defibrillator came in was crucial? it's essential to try and prince harry was overcome with emotion buy time. you start doing cpr with as he praised them, saying his own journey into fatherhood meant learning about those with serious illnesses chest compression and also the pulls at his heartstrings. breaths as well. that moves oxygenated blood around the body so it helps vital organs like the brain, which will actually die if they don't get that oxygenated that is a summary of the news, back to you, victoria. blood. you are buying time until the defibrillator can be bought, either from the building or in this case, one of the paramedics turning up
with the defib. you are going to next month the man who show us a good dead estate —— murdered this woman more than 30 years ago, will be eligible for release from jail. helen mccourt was 22 years old. demonstration. steve, you had she was an insurance clerk, from billing near wigan, training before. if you are like me, i have had it but years ago, i don't looking forward to getting married one day and having children. know if i could remember it. if you it was 1988. margaret thatcher was still pm, had never had training, should you tiffany was number one still do it? yes, the worst thing with i think we're alone now, you can do is nothing. anything is better than nothing. as mark said, it was the year of the lockerbie disaster, wimbledon beat liverpool he was dead, so you won't make that in the fa cup final, and one pound notes went out of circulation. situation any worse at all. and when helen mccourt‘s body you dial 999 these days, the operator at the other end will help has never been found. you and coach you through it. so if her killer, a local landlord called you and coach you through it. so if you have done training some time ago ian simms, hasn't disclosed where her remains are. or no training at all, they can help he's due for parole next month. and tell you what to do. let's have for decades, her mum has been and tell you what to do. let's have agoon campagining to prevent the release and tell you what to do. let's have a go on this rather unattractive dub of murderers and paedophiles me on the rather unattractive who don't reveal information about their victims. carpet, on the rather unattractive flaw in our studio! go ahead. these and this week marry mccourt things can happen anywhere. you see secured a victory, someone unconscious, not the government announcing moves things can happen anywhere. you see someone unconscious, not breathing or breathing normally, you shake to change the law. them to see if they respond, can you but — and here's the sting hear me? there is no response. shout
in the tail — the new legislation for help, get someone to dial 999 may not come in time for marry. and start cpr. 30 chest compressions... and you have to press hard and fast in the centre of marie is here, as is the labour mp the chest with your weight right conor mcginn, who represents over. if you are able to do the st helens north and has supported rescue breaths, tilt the neck back, marie's campaign for helen's law. welcome, it is good to meet you, hold on to the nose, cover the whole of their mouth with yours. two finally. i want to ask you first of all, your reaction to the fact that breaths and back to 30 compressions. keep doing that. it's hard work. you helen's law was included in the queen's speech earlier this week? need to move the chest about 4—6 well, i couldn't ask for anything centimetres and to make it as else,, has worked so hard to get us effective as possible but do something. the worst thing you can there and i just else,, has worked so hard to get us there and ijust couldn't believe it, it was fantastic. knowing that do is nothing. thank you for that. it, it was fantastic. knowing that 30 and then two, 30 and then two it now will go on the statute book. until you get help. as a result of your death experience and being brought back to life, how does that and your reaction to the fact that it was included? i think at a time change your approach to the rest of when politicians are disagreeing your life? just grateful that i am back, sort about many things, this is something of thing. obviously i wouldn't have we can unite around, the dignity and appreciated it beforehand but... not
tenacity of marie's campaign has necessarily given a second chance overwhelming support in the house of commons and i thank them for working but just appreciate my friends, with us to bring this forward. what necessarily given a second chance butjust appreciate my friends, my family and, you know, it's not like would it mean, in practical terms, when this law is enacted? well, it i was putting myself in a dangerous situation but keep being fit, will end an awful lot of families healthy. that's the thing, it didn't who are in the same situation as me. happen to you, but you are fit and helen's case was only the third healthy. loads of training, you eat since the end of the second world war where there was a guilty without well, you are young. well... thank a body. but now, because of dna, so you! laughter goes to show you can do all the right things. if i hadn't been doing many killers plan what they are the right things, chances are i going to do, these are cold—blooded probably wouldn't have survived. by killers, they plan it first. and being a robustly fit, healthy, doing they plan to get rid of the all the right things, good diet, evidence, because they know dna, good exercise regime, goes to show it can happen to anyone as well. just one little speck of blood on there are things... you cannot see, their clothing, and they can be done like your cholesterol, your blood for murder. so, if this were brought pressure. these are things you should check out all the time, because they are like hidden things m, for murder. so, if this were brought in, conormcginn, it for murder. so, if this were brought in, conor mcginn, it would mean what that can affect you adversely, for those already in jail? it would obviously. he owes you one! he does! mean that when they come before the pa role mean that when they come before the parole board, the fact that they haven't disclosed any information laughter a meal afterwards. is that it is to
about the victim's remains will be a considerable factor in determining mount i say thank you every now and whether they are released or not. then! wright fair play. thank you considerable factor in determining whether they are released or notm would place a legal duty for the for coming into the studio all of first time that the parole board you, thank you for that will have to consider, whether this demonstration, really usefulfor eve ryo ne demonstration, really usefulfor individual has disclosed information everyone watching. go and live your oi’ individual has disclosed information or not. absolutely, it will become life! the law, it will not be arbitrary, we can talk to norman smith. lots of it will be compulsory for that to be lines coming out from brussels this considered. can you explain to our morning, as eu leaders try to thrash out a brexit deal with audience, marie, why it is so the british government. norman, important for you as helen's mum, to hello, what is the latest? first have her remains? welcome to lose a thing this morning we thought it was all systems go, now the handbrake child, or to lose anybody very close seems to be on again. in these brexit talks. the word from number to you, is hard. you know, a 10 is the prospect of a breakthrough bereavement is hard. but when that today now seem to be shrinking. the person has been murdered and their life has deliberately been taken, word from eu diplomats in brussels is that they are at a standstill. we just heard from the irish prime the victims are probably petrified minister saying there are a lot of all the way through it, and then issues still to be resolved. nobody maybe subjected to a lot of cruelty. quite knows what the block is but there is a lot of speculation about and so, not to be able to have your whether it is the dup. in that, one
child or your loved one back, and of the ideas which is apparently being kicked around break the you feel, and this is how we feel, we're just normal, but at least deadlock on customs checks on the island of ireland is move them, so we've got them back. it's my child, they are carried out at ports in i brought her into this world and northern ireland. in other words, i'll see that she has the last rites that avoids having to have a customs of our church, and i can go and put border on the island of ireland but it would be a border of sorts some flowers, i can still, in a way, between northern ireland and the rest of the uk. that is a problem go and talk, which you can't do when for the dup. last night, we had a you're anywhere else. and this is so very in yourface important to all our families, and for the dup. last night, we had a very in your face sort of interview to anybody. and you only have to from the dup leader arlene foster, who said amongst other things, that look at harry dunn's case, his mum there is not going to be a deal needs to speak to that lady. she u nless there is not going to be a deal unless her and her party agreed to it. she was asked, do you trust will bear that, that grief will be borisjohnson quest it. she was asked, do you trust boris johnson quest much it. she was asked, do you trust borisjohnson quest much she said no, the only person i trust in these tightened up in her until she can do negotiations is myself and crucially that. and what has it been like for she ruled out categorically this you, marie, for 30 years, not idea of a customs border in the knowing where helen is? well, for irish sea. so there is a suggestion the last almost 32 years, i've been that maybe the negotiators in brussels have got pretty much as far as they can, unless and until boris a totally different person. i johnson can bring arlene foster and the dup on board. so will we get a
stopped communicating with friends, all i wanted to do is go out and breakthrough today? that appears to find my child, and that's what we be receding markedly now. are we did, as the family, and helen's living on the 31st of october, friends and neighbours, and there norman? gosh... according to the would be about 30—40 people each weekend, we together and we'd go brexit secretary who is giving out, it was like a safari, we'd have evidence at the moment, yes, still leaving on october 31. however, he has also said if no deal is reached about three cars with sandwiches, biscuits, flasks of tea, coffee, to by saturday, when the benn act kicks give the people, because... but you m, by saturday, when the benn act kicks in, the legislation passed by backbenchers forcing mrjohnson to we re give the people, because... but you were going out all over the ask for an extension untiljanuary 31 next year, mr barclay said he north—west of england, with spades and travels... ? literally north—west of england, with spades will comply with the law, he will and travels...? literally digging? write that letter but we are still yes, i have even hired a digger to leaving on october the 31st. you're scratching your head thinking, how go 15ft down because we found an on earth does that work? the answer area where a big 5ft drain was being is we don't know and we genuinely don't know. maybe they don't know put in, and that was open at the either! thank you, norman. norman time of helen's disappearance. but we we re smith. a new report out this morning says time of helen's disappearance. but we were assured by the people who put this pipe in that we would not that former coal mining communities are still disadvantaged, have to go any further than 15ft, a generation down the road, because then, they just compared with other parts of the uk. have to go any further than 15ft, because then, theyjust shovel all the rubbish back in, whereas before the coalfields regeneration trust found high levels of unemployment,
that, they have to put sand and below—average life expectancy and widespread ill—health, extending everything to make sure the pipes far beyond the people who used don't get cracked. why you believe to work in the pits themselves. helen's killer, ian simms, has not in a moment we'll speak to some people living in one revealed where he buried her body? of those communities. but first, earlier this year we went to the former mining town of shirebrook in derbyshire — ian simms is... everybody classed here's a bit of what the people there told us. they were thriving — him, he even called himself psycho thriving for years. sims, and he was known in the you know, with pits village as that. and the only thing and people on shift work. all different age groups. ican think village as that. and the only thing i can think of is, there's two all that changed. reasons, i would sink. 0ne, i can think of is, there's two reasons, iwould sink. 0ne, either he is disappointed that he didn't since the pits have gone, it's lost its heart. beat the law and get away with her there's no togetherness. murder, and the other is, he had two the pit forged that togetherness. young children at the time, they and it's not happening now. we re young children at the time, they were aged four and six, and they've grown up were aged four and six, and they've grown up with their father saying, let's talk now to chris kitchen — a former miner and now i'm innocent. and i don't blame them general secretary of the national union of mine workers. children, you know, for believing joan dixon, who is from their father, but the evidence the industrial communities' alliance against him is so overwhelming, you and also a labour councillor. and cameron mitchell, know, you couldn't understand why he who's grandfather worked in the mines for 20 years.
was still saying he was innocent. joan and cameron are from bolsover. why do you think, conor mcginn, that all are members of the labour party. ian simms has not disclosed to the welcome all of you, thank you for location? i think listening to marie coming on the programme. joan, do it is clear that the torture and you feel that places like bolts over turmoil that he has put the record have effectively been forgotten? family through is clearly motivation yes, i think what the man said on for that. we've had cases where the video is true. in recent years, otherfamilies for that. we've had cases where other families have told us of similar circumstances, and that's there has been a lot of emphasis on why these people should never be released from prison. the community growth in cities. you talk to people on the street, they feel left in billing and st helens, which has provided incredible support of the behind. we have lost our hospital family, and to me in this campaign, and ourjob centre. we are losing feel very strongly that this man should never be released. unless he the services, banks, some of the shops are closing down. and when you discloses. i don't think that is an see... it's great there's investment unreasonable ask, i think it is a privilege for him even at that stage in nottingham and sheffield but it's to be considered for parole, given two and half hours to sheffield, so that's not the people in bolsover. his crime. one thing about them not cameron, what is it like in being released until they have released where the victim is, is bolsover? quite hard, because the that, how can you be sure that they
won't go out and do the same thing deindustrialisation essentially has paved the way for unscrupulous work. again, but they will learn by the now a lot of people in these areas mistakes they made on the first time, when they got charged? and feel left behind, in terms of work. this law, when it comes in, we will because they can't getjobs or they talk about the timing in a moment can get jobs? according because they can't getjobs or they can getjobs? according to the because it is crucial for your case, report today, there is some progress being made? it is the type of would also be relevant to paedophiles, and i interviewed the employment that i speak of. so, an pa rents of paedophiles, and i interviewed the parents of a child who believe they example of myself, when my we re parents of a child who believe they were sexually abused by vanessa grandfather went to work down the george, the paedophile nursery pit, he left school at 15. he went worker, recently, vanessa george was to work there, he was part of a released last month without revealing which children she had unionised workforce and essentially abused, and this parent was absolutely tortured, felt wretched, they negotiated for better wages and that they didn't know for sure if conditions. i worked at the same this woman had abused their child, exact place where he worked, decades and yet she was being released. this law would apply to them, too? yes, i on, but it was in a pit site any think from our perspective, we have more, it was sports direct. and it been very clear that helen's law wasn't a unionised workforce, therefore there weren't the benefits andl really is for murderers not therefore there weren't the benefits and i was on a zero—hours contract, disclosing information, but the government, in a similar way, ona and i was on a zero—hours contract, on a wage of £3.79 an hour and it disclosing information, but the government, in a similarway, has brought forward measures to address wasn't the same sort of camaraderie that issue, which we are supportive we have. but one job is safer and of, but we are very clear that
healthier than the other. helen's law is specifically about murderers. this legislation may not absolutely. held with your grandfather when he died? let's say be brought in in time to have an five years ago. he was into his late effect on ian simms, your daughter's killer. i'm begging everyone to get 80s. he did well, then. it did come with different hazards but that's in touch with their mp, to all the why it was important they had a trade union, in order to protect government, to say, this cannot be those workers. i'm going to put this right, the parole board judges to you, borisjohnson says he will give the north of england control over railways, increasing powers for should not consider them safe to be some elected mayors, a new body to strengthen the area's economy, money released, unless they say, and going into various towns and cities cooperate, where their victim's body that voted to leave. what do you say is. only then can they start to that? i say it's better late than preparing them to accept what they never. unfortunately, as the report did, maybe find that within them, highlights, we've got former mining they could be released, and because communities that are still suffering decades after the mines have shut. they've revealed where their victims there was very little investment but in overthe there was very little investment but in over the last five years and that bodies are, then i think they would investment has been cut back to be safe to be released. because for nothing from the uk government, one, everybody, all the local people towards coalfields regeneration
trust, which did good work in and everything, will know, yes, he regenerated some of the former isa and everything, will know, yes, he is a killer, and they will be wary areas. we have to get away from the of him, and he will be watched. and numbers game. it's about people. people in a community that was thatis of him, and he will be watched. and that is so important to families, because we don't know, if he comes destroyed when the pit was shut. in that community, we looked after out, he could come into our village, people like cameron's grandad. we you know? and i wouldn't know who he accepted it was the older generation that kept the pit open for us. when was. but he would know who i was, he they were struggling with their could stalk me, he could stop my health, at the back end of their career, as younger ones would help them out. when they shut the pit, family. and all life, he's tortured they threw those men on the us family. and all life, he's tortured us all these years, so why should he scrapheap. there was no new employer be allowed out to torture us even in the industrial units. for —— 30 more? how likely is it that this legislation will be in place before ian simms' parole board hearing next or 40 years of service. what did month? we met with robert buckland, labourdo? the secretary of state forjustice or 40 years of service. what did labour do? the coalfields regeneration trust was setup. it on monday, who is an honourable man, had funding to regenerate some of he wants to do this, he is the areas. it has had mixed success, completely committed to it. what the government have done already is some success in some areas and not brought these guidelines to the some success in some areas and not so good in others fostered pa role geographically, every mining village brought these guidelines to the parole board criteria, that exists was different but that funding has already. what helen's law would do been cut, done away with now. some is firm that up. we want to get it
done as quickly as possible but interesting facts come out of this there is no reason on earth why ian report today. i take your point, it simms should be released even prior is absolutely about people but these to this law being introduced, numbers are interesting because of because it is already on the the uk's former coalfields have a guidelines. and finally, marie combination of 5.7 million, as big asa combination of 5.7 million, as big as a whole region if you put them mccourt, i want to ask you, some all together. to raise the employment rate to the level of the jails have televisions, people south—east of england, for example, alongside ian simms may be watching you now, perhaps even he is watching you need 170,000 more people to be you now, perhaps even he is watching you now, perhaps even he is watching you now, what would you say to him directly about he could help your in work. so what are the jobs for the young people in the future, family —— how he could help your would you say, cameron?” family? i think the only help i the young people in the future, would you say, cameron? i think, for a start, it would have to be could get would be maybe if other prisoners who know him, who he may something... the big problem with have confided in as to what he has younger people at the moment, especially in these areas, as they done, but i do not think ian simms will ever tell me, i think he is go to university mostly. is that a good thing? it's a good thing but another ian brady. and for me to then they can't really land a job in know that if he does not tell me that sector of what they have studied in. they find themselves where she is, then he will die in still doing lesser skilled work, prison, and that is what should let's say, even though they do have happen. and this is where the law, a degree. so they are actually overqualified for that job. a degree. so they are actually overqualified for thatjob. i do with paedophiles, comes in, as regards not saying all their feel the deal would be good as long as it has a just transition, so
victims, that they ruined their people in other areas wouldn't be made redundant. right, what do you lives, you know? ian simms ruined out lives, you know? ian simms ruined our lives, and i'll never be the say needs to be done, joan?|j person i was, you know? helen was a made redundant. right, what do you say needs to be done, joan? i think one other thing is, we live in the very outgoing person, she had so east midlands and in the east midlands we still make stuff. we many friends, everywhere, no matter have bombarded a, rolls—royce, where she works, all her colleagues boeing, toyota. ithink ke pt where she works, all her colleagues kept in touch with her. but more have bombarded a, rolls—royce, boeing, toyota. i think the government needs to value these than anything, she loved children, industries because they provide the she babysat for all the children on well—paid jobs of the future. out she babysat for all the children on industries because they provide the well-paid jobs of the future. when our small estate. and she would have you say value, government, beena our small estate. and she would have been a fantastic mother. and she successive governments ab manufacturing is really important in would have had about four children. this country. what you mean by value? they say that but they are looking at new, glossier sectors. and he's got two lovely children, biosciences. we are talking about and it hurts him, because he knows helen would have been the perfect auntie to them, my son. you have automotive, aerospace, nuclear and we need to have a proper industrial done the most incredible job and you continue to do it, and for the strategy that keeps those jobs in memory of your daughter, you've the east midlands and not be worked so hard and it is going to exported abroad. who do people happen, because of your dedication blame? i think people blame and campaigning and love for your
daughter. and the one thing i would everybody. successive governments. like to say as well as that there are so many europe. unfairly, because in my like to say as well as that there are so many families now in the position i'm in. i don't want them experience europe didn't close the to have to struggle and be tortured for as long as i have. let these uk coal mines. i can understand the frustration of people that believe killers see, either you cooperate society is not working for them and with the law and you tell us where they have had a raw deal. it is a your victims' body is, and what you leave area. have some people blamed did, and only then can you be the lack ofjobs or lack of opportunities on immigrants, eastern treated to realise what you have europeans? i think they blame it on done, and then maybe one day we can release you. and i would like to say anything in their personal circumstances that they see. who do you think people blame, joan? like as well, for conor mcginn, i could not have done all of this without chris says, it's a complex set of conor, i really couldn't, he has circumstances, isn't it? we live in pushed buttons in parliament, and so a globalised world. we have to has fiona duffy, fiona has been there for me over the last 24 years, compete on a global scale. in our she was a journalist, and she came, sorts of areas, we are big and we just clicked, and she's been recipients of european funding. there and she's been a big guidance for me, as to even how to go about a bolsover voted brexit was that we
need to have a new commitment from petition. i didn't have a clue. the government to replace that funding, to help us rebuild our thank you very much, marie mccourt, economy and get newjobs into the and conor mcginn, labour mp. and it area. and if you don't get that is good to hear you talking replacement eu funding, what would that mean for the area? more cross— party is good to hear you talking cross—party about working with the conservatives in order to bring this to pass. still to come on the deprivation, i suppose. that mean for the area? more deprivation, isuppose. similarto what we've got with austerity at the programme. . . moment. i think if brexit is going the man who's won to happen, whether it happens after the wildlife photographer of the year award for this it of october or not, we need some fantastic picture will be here to tell us how he took it — sort of deal that as jones says, and we'll also be speaking to two include that type of funding for the of the winners in the young photographer categories. old coalfield areas because there the parents of 19 are areas that are at the moment year old harry dunn feel left behind. so if there are who was killed in a crash while on his motorbike further cuts, it would spike a say president trump has told them that the suspect recession, then it could be even in his death won't be returning to the uk to face questioning. worse. when it comes to the next 42—year—old anne sacoolas went back general election, what you think to the united states days after the crash, labour voters will do, will they after claiming diplomatic immunity. when harry's parents went stay at home, will they vote for the to the white house last night to talk to the president brexit party? it is very complex. about their case, he revealed she was waiting to meet what do you think, we don't have them in the next room. charlotte charles and tim dunn said much time? i think the political they felt "ambushed" by the offer landscape is changing and we can't
but that they believed mr trump ta ke landscape is changing and we can't take peoples votes for granted any was "sincere" in his more. are you saying some desire to help them. traditional labour voters might vote when we first got there, for the brexit party? we have seen he extended his condolences to us, them shift to ukip and they might which did feel sincere. shift to the brexit party. what do i don't suppose we would have you think? i think that the people expected anything else. are going to vote on passion. there many of his staff had also done isa danger are going to vote on passion. there is a danger it may be all about the same on the way in. brexit. the trouble is, if i believed brexit was going to solve we then went round in circles our problems, i wouldn't have a problem with that but there are a little bit because i think loads more problems we need to get a they were trying desperately to get us to, not give in, grip of. i would seriously hope that but to accept the invitation to meet her on their terms, people will get over their which we weren't willing to do. frustration and anger and then start to vote on what they think is best so, upon leaving the meeting, for them, to vote on what they think is best forthem, their to vote on what they think is best for them, their families and the and ending the meeting, he... communities and the country as a whole, not just i asked him again, i said, communities and the country as a whole, notjust on "if it was your 19—year—old "son, communities and the country as a whole, not just on one communities and the country as a whole, notjust on one single issue. if brexit hadn't been delivered by or your son, no matter what age, the time of the next general "you would be "doing election, do think some traditional labour voters could vote for boris the same as me". johnson, the conservatives, because he will promise to deliver a brexit and he was holding my hand at the time, and he said, "yes, iwould." they want? i think it could happen at. are you shocked by that? and he said, "maybe slightly but i don't think that the we'll try and push this from a different angle.
what happened when he said numbers will change significantly custom i think we will be more like that anne sacoolas was in the room nextdoor? we we re custom i think we will be more like we were in 2010, when there was a we were a bit shocked, high ukip vote in bolsover and that but it didn't really make any difference to us, would probably go to the brexit to be perfectly honest. party. all right, we will see what happens, she could have... thank you very much, thank you for coming on the programme. thank you could have been, you know, two miles away, just the fact for messages about the interview that she was in the room nextdoor, our grief has been locked about helen's law. liz said what a in for seven weeks, dignified, quietly dignified woman it's not appropriate to meet her without therapists she is. thank you for your company. and mediators, let alone, for us as a family, but also for her, i don't think it's appropriate for her. good morning. it may have started off rather soggy for many of us this morning but the rain is clearing its way eastward. how can it be comfortable for her to be thrown we have some sunshine coming through into a situation like that without therapists and mediators? across western areas. that is from tim, did it feel a bit like a stunt? our weather watcher in devon. the cloud is clearing here. they have no. been clearing across northern ireland, many western areas of england and wales was that we still no, i don't think so. have some rain affecting the far north—east of scotland, a bit of maybe with the anne sacoolas bit, cloud and some rain in the east of trying to force it on to us, england. that will clear and there will be some sunshine developing for but i still think he was sincere most of us. maximum temperatures at the and when he this afternoon getting up to 13—16. spoke to charlotte. when he made that offer,
what did you say to him? tonight, the rain in the north—east i didn't say anything... will clear away. with many of us just shook our hands. shook our hands. having clear skies, it could turn quite chilly. a few showers into we can speak now to radd seiger, wales and through western areas who's representing the family, and went with them to the white through the night. temperatures house. he joins us from new york. getting down to the fairly low single figures. in the north—east of scotland, temperatures will be close thank you very much for talking to to freezing. thursday, looking at a us, rad seager, again. iwant thank you very much for talking to mixture of sunshine and showers. us, rad seager, again. i want you to describe to our audience how the most of those showers will be across conversation with president trump suddenly changed when he revealed western areas. the further east you that anne sacoolas was in the room are, it should be a bit drier and brighter. bye—bye. next door? good morning. it was a very significant change because he had been quite... but then he got down to business and it became very clear that he had a plan... this keeps freezing... go on, keep going, rad seeger, we will persist for a while. i don't think it is going to hello. work, sadly, it keeps freezing. you're watching bbc news, let's have one more go. when it live from westminster on yet another changed, what was everyone's
reaction when he said that mrs important day for brexit. sacoolas was in the room next door? government sources say the chances just complete shock, and...” of agreeing a deal with brussels this week are shrinking. he sacoolas was in the room next door? just complete shock, and... i am going to have to leave it there, i the sticking point continues to be the northern irish border, am so going to have to leave it there, i and irish taoiseach leo varadkar am so sorry, because going to have to leave it there, i am so sorry, because the facetime says that, while the two sides keeps freezing and i do apologise are making progress, but thank you for staying up for us there are "many issues" yet we will see you soon when you to be resolved. we'll bring you all the latest from and we will see you soon when you get back. that is so frustrating. westminster throughout the morning. here's the day's other headlines thank you for your messages about away from westminster: the interview with marie mccourt. harry dunn's parents go to the white house but refuse to meet the woman involved in the fatal crash which killed their son, they are very admiring of the work that she has put in to bring helen's saying they felt ambushed. isaid, if law to fruition. this one says... i said, if it was helen's law is so very important, it is imperative that someone intervenes before ian simms can be released on parole. marie mccourt deserves justice. the released on parole. marie mccourt deservesjustice. the purpose of released on parole. marie mccourt deserves justice. the purpose of the law is for the killer to show remorse and cooperate with the
police, something simms has never done. this one says... if they cannot reveal the location of the body, then they are not ruby rehabilitated, and they should stay behind bars until they are. look at this! it's the moment a himalayan marmot was surprised by a tibetan fox. it's the winner of the wildlife photographer of the year. in a moment we'll talk to yongqing bao, who took that amazing picture, along with two of the winners in the children's categories. but first, let's take a look some of the other beautiful winning shots. fur flies as a puma attacks a guanaco, though this one ended like four in five puma hunts — unsuccessfully. this is a colony of garden eels, normally extremely shy, vanishing into their sandy burrows the moment they sense danger. it looks like a scene from a beatrix potter story — here, rats explore the urban jungle of manhattan.
here riki, ajapanese macaque, legally captured from the wild, who has performed to audiences three times a day for the last 17 years. and a female gelada with a week—old infant clinging to her belly clambers over a cliff. let's speak to the man that took the winning photo — yongqing bao. he is speaking to us with the help of a translator, yili fu. also here is thomas easterbrook — he won the ten and under category in the competition. and cruz — he won the ii to 14 catagory. starting with you, as the winner, congratulations. how did you manage to ta ke congratulations. how did you manage to take that incredible photo?
translation: mainly, it is driven by the passion of the wild animals. but it is such a moment, have you got special equipment to capture that exact second? just a normal camera. really, that is incredible. and what do you think was going on in that photo? translation: so, it is a kind of hunting from the tibetan fox, to the himalayan marmot. let me bring in thomas and cruz, thomas, i wonder if you can describe your photograph for
us... you can describe your photograph for us... the photo i took is of a hummingbird hawk moth, which is actually a type of moth, which hums, because its wings beat at up to 75 beats per second. and in flight, also it is almost interesting visual from a hummingbird. here, it is depicted drinking nectar from a bright pink flower against a green background of grass. how old are you? i am 11 now. how on earth did you? i am 11 now. how on earth did you manage to take that photo? well, itook you manage to take that photo? well, i took a lot of photos and failed in a lot of them, but if you take a lot of photos, by rule of numbers, you are likely to get a good one. yeah, but there is a good photo and there is an absolutely stunning photo, which is what that is. thank you. cruz, congratulations to you. let's have a look at your photo, coming
any moment now, hopefully. bear with us, it is quite slow, the technology! describe it for us. this is ofa technology! describe it for us. this is of a squid, very colourful, under 25 centimetres in length, it is a black water diving shot, meaning it is at, which is therefore why the background is completely pitch black. are you under the water? yes, iam black. are you under the water? yes, i am underwater. right. and in terms of trying to capture that photo, again, are you a bit like thomas, you took loads and one just happened to be absolutely amazing? no, actually... of the encounter was totally random. i was just taking a night dive enjoying the scenery and then i found it. this is how i usually take photographs, i dive for my enjoyment and if i see something ilike, i my enjoyment and if i see something i like, i take a photo. with this squid, it is a very skittish animal, there is a reason divers don't see them very much, this one was actually stunned by my sudden
appearance and it was frozen in fear for about two seconds, and then i took about four photographs and two of them were in focus. so actually i did have a pretty high success rate, which surprised me. did have a pretty high success rate, which surprised melj did have a pretty high success rate, which surprised me. i want to ask all of you, what does it mean to win full wildlife photographer of the year? translation: so, with this award, it will be a big impact in his hometown, and it will call the passion to protect the wild animals from the local people. so, it raises the profile of the animals, in a good way, so that people will hopefully protect them. translation: yes. what does it mean to you? well,
it is very overwhelming, i have never won anything like it before. i just hope it can be the first of many and! just hope it can be the first of many and i have learnt a lot from meeting all the other photographers and seeing their photos of. and what about yourself? i remember seeing an exhibit in 2016 when i was younger, andl exhibit in 2016 when i was younger, and i saw something which was so awe—inspiring which i felt like i could never do, ifelt awe—inspiring which i felt like i could never do, i felt disconnected from it. so, it is incredible to me, i have only done photography for about a year, and it is incredible to me in my first year of photography that and i have been able to win a competition like this. thank you all of you for coming on the programme. if you've had a premature baby, a baby born before 37 weeks, you'll know how stressful and challenging it can be. premature birth is actually the biggest cause of death among newborn babies right around the world. while incubators can save the lives of some, they can also leave them with long—term disabilities. now, incredibly, scientists
in the netherlands say they are within ten years of developing an alternative, an artificial womb that could save many more lives and reduce the risk of such disabilities. but the development also raises important ethical questions. as part of our 100 women series, watch this fascinating report from sofia bettiza. imagine a future where babies are born from machines. this will change the lives of many people. wombs built in a lab with foetuses growing inside. an artificial womb is like a dream come true. it's almost like magic. it all started with this. in 2017, researchers in the us tested the closest thing to an artificial womb the world had ever seen. they put eight premature lambs into a sealed bag. the lambs continued to develop — growing hair — and after being removed from the bags, they grew up normally. and now, here in the netherlands,
a group of doctors are working on the first artificial womb for humans. it sounds like science fiction, but they claim it could become reality in the next five to ten years. the hope is that this could increase the chances of survival of premature babies. around the world, about 15 million children are born prematurely every year and half of them don't survive. like james. his mother gave birth to him when he was only 24—weeks—old. he died two months later. you can't imagine how small he was. 00:33:40,671 --> 2147483051:53:35,050 how did you feel watching your 2147483051:53:35,050 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 son in an incubator?