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we are not for a second complacent about the threat russia poses when it comes to cyber. us secretary of state mike pompeo meets borisjohnson and congratulates him on banning the chinese tech firm huawei
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from its 56 networks. i think the united kingdom made a good decision, but i think that decision was made not because the united states said it was a good decision but because leadership here in united kingdom concluded the right thing to do was to make that decision for the people of united kingdom. uk government borrowing soared to more than £35 billion injune, about five times more than the same time last year because of the coronavirus crisis. at thejohnny depp libel trial, his ex—wife is questioned about the injuries she says were caused by him. the government has "categorically rejected" an allegation that it
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actively avoided investigating whether russia interfered in the 2016 brexit referendum. the accusation was made by mps presenting their long awaited report into claims of russian meddling in british politics. the intelligence and security committe says the government badly underestimated the threat, while the intelligence agencies took their eye off the ball. we'll have reaction from westminster and moscow shortly, but first, our political correspondent nick ea rdley. what influence does russia have here? in our politics and in wider british society. did russia interfere? it's been months since an influential group of mps investigated russian interference. today, after accusations of delay and cover—up, we finally found out their conclusions, that the government just hasn't done enough. but in our opinion,
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the uk government took its eye off the ball because of its focus on counterterrorism. the government had badly underestimated the response required to the russian threat and is still playing catch—up. russia poses a tough intelligence challenge, and the agencies here must have the tools they need to tackle it. the committee noted widespread allegations russia tried to interfere in the brexit referendum through the use of online trolls and russian media. but they say it's impossible to tell if that was successful. or what impact it could have had because nobody was trying to find out. the report reveals that no one in government knew if russia interfered in or sought to influence the referendum because they did not want to know. the uk government have actively avoided looking for evidence that russia interfered. it was claimed the government should have learned the lessons
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of 2014 when scotland voted to reject independence. the report says there's credible, open—source evidence russia did try to influence that campaign, though other parts of its findings haven't been made public. there are concerns about russian money, members of the house of lords linked to russian companies and russians in the uk linked to president putin. few if any questions have been asked regarding the provenance of considerable wealth. this open—door approach has provided an ideal mechanism by which illicit finance can be recycled through the london laundromat. the report doesn't have a smoking gun which shows how russia changed the political events in the uk, but nevertheless it's highly critical of recent government decisions, saying, essentially, they weren't looking, turning a blind eye to the possibility of russian interventions. the government rejected the idea
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of a retrospective analysis of the brexit vote, but said russia did pose a significant threat which it was taking extremely seriously. i think the report is quite damning. it paints a very bad picture of a government that was far too slow to wake up to the threat posed by russia towards democracy. far too slow to take the actions required to defend us. today's report shows how concerned some are about russian interference and influence and is unlikely to put to bed questions about its impact on politics here. nick eardley, bbc news, westminster. the foreign secretary, dominic raab, denied accusations from the snp's stuart hosie that the government had actively ignored looking for interference from russia during the brexit referendum. i think ithink in i think in fairness you will find that was not in the
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ifc report. it was the comment of one mp, and we categorically reject that. i think looking at long period of russia in the uk particularly in relation to cyber, it is a top priority. we know they have shown that in relation to the cyber attacks on research and development facilities in the us, uk and canada, which we have done together with our partners and we are not for a second complacent about the threat russia poses when it comes to cyber. in a moment, we will speak to our security correspondent frank gardner in london, but first, let's speak to our our correspondent in moscow, sarah rainsford. some pretty strong words in this report from mps what has been the russian reaction to that? the main reaction has been to say no surprises, no headlines, no evidence i think he is the overwhelming
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consensus both of russian officials and state television here, which of course reflects the view of the state. a really a big struggle when it comes to the evidence presented in this report. i think russia is enjoying the fact that the focus has been very much on how the british government has handled the perceived russian threat rather than the details of what threat russia actually presents to the uk. and also i think it away russian officials here are saying a bank lending, in the sense that he does portray russia as a country of some power, a country that has managed to penetrate the uk it seems in institutions, financial world and many other ways. so for russia which is attempting to reassert itself on the world stage for good or bad, this potentially could actually be seen as this potentially could actually be seen as a this potentially could actually be seen as a positive which is rather counterintuitive but russia does operate in a parallel world. counterintuitive but russia does operate in a parallelworld. all
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right, thank you. let's go to frank. the suggestion is the government was complacent and the intelligence agencies were essentially kind of taking their eye off the ball and they could not cope with the threat of terrorism and russia at the same time. this report makes very uncomfortable reading i think for all three of britain's intelligence agencies, mi five whose job it is to counter russian subversion in this country, in my 64 intelligence gathering agency and gc hq which is into cyber espionage because he look at the numbers and actually it is referred to in this report that the percentages of mi five's resources that were spent on countering foreign states version, it is basically a cute shape. so 26 years ago they did about 26% of their
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resources countering russian and iranian espionage and that went right down to under 4%. it was not until some years later, two years after the murder in 2006 and it went back up to 14.5%. the problem is we had the london bombings in the meantime and the growth in threat from jihadist al-qaeda inspired terrorism was exponential and that was the immediate and violent and visible threat to uk security. so enormous resources were poured into that and there was a huge hiring effort and i think he probably is to some extent. the other factor is intelligence agencies in this country are quite rightly very wary of being involved in anything that looks like political activity. so they did not want to get involved in they did not want to get involved in the eu referendum vote either way though so they did not want to be seen though so they did not want to be seenin though so they did not want to be seen in any way as partisan which is why when they were called
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for evidence, mi5 produced a pathetic six lines of text. they were told to produce a bit more than that. but thatis produce a bit more than that. but that is why nobody wanted to touch it. none of that exonerates anybody. this is bad uncomfortable reading for this government and previous governments and for the intelligence agencies. and looking ahead, the report also talks about russian interference as being the new normal. do you think there will be a refocusing of the intelligence agencies on russia in particular and on china as well as which so much of the last days? they would say that they probably already are very aware of this. remember that in terms of mi5 they have also got to deal with far right terrorism and the threat from the financially growing threat from the financially growing threat from far right extremism. and what we call it now but the real ira, the
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residual republican threat terrorist from northern ireland, so they have got a lot on their play and of course al-qaeda and isis have not gone away completely either. but yes i think there will be a renewed effort to basically make somebody accountable for this because the thing about whitehall is that it is what i would call slumping shoulder syndrome where it is not really us that does that, somebody has to take the lead, is it for an office, cabinet office, it mi5, somebody has to take the lead on this. it is probably discouraging to many that the government has been so quick to rule out a retrospective investigation into the extent if any of russian meddling in the e referendum vote. we know and everybody knows russia has extensive information operations through various trolls and troll farms in st. petersburg and that is already out there and open source but there isa out there and open source but there is a lot more that could be discovered if an investigation was carried out. frank, good to
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talk to you, thank you. let's get some reaction from bob seely, the conservative mp who sits on the foreign affairs select committee and has been warning about russia's "subversive activities" for some years. do you think that british intelligence agencies did take their eye off the ball in terms of russian interference in british democracy and of the government underestimated the russian threat as well? the simple answerand the russian threat as well? the simple answer and good afternoon to you and your viewers is yes. tell us a bit more about why. surely it is not rocket science to know that vladimir putin wants to interfere in western democracies in general and the uk in particular. i think you sum it up pretty well. with a look murder back in 2006 and we have the crimean war in 2014 and skripal
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and it took after the murder it took several years to get serious about their money and i don't know why. they don't deal in a very traditional way with traditional threats but the overall my evidence is intelligence failed significantly to understand the more nuanced in modern menaces of covert interference especially when leaked to the kleptocratic russian state with its mafia criminality and need for money laundering. and it is that combination of the influence peddling combined with some old fashion kgb active measures, smears and blackmail and all that that it failed to grip. so if that is a failure is a failure of the intelligence agencies or their political masters who in the end who give them orders and directions?|j think give them orders and directions?” think it is a collective failure in whitehall. the security establishment as i think, as frank was saying, they need to
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stand up more and if they see things that are wrong in this country, mi5 or mi6 need to have a channel by which they say so. because it is almost too much of a reluctance to say nothing for fear of intervening. and actually the price for that could be worse if you let bad people profit. i think worse if you let bad people profit. ithink in worse if you let bad people profit. i think in whitehall there has been a failure and a complacency. i was argument two whitehall folks were nicer than that we need a national strategy council to look forward to problems as well as a national security council and i get the same or vaguely condescending, we have it cove red or vaguely condescending, we have it covered and we know best what this report shows yet again that whitehall no longer knows best and is actually blocking reform which could help it do itsjob better post of it used to be authorised and frankly behaves more like a schooner from the days of the warsaw pact right now. there were two suggestions and one that british intelligence was kind of overwhelmingly concerned with terrorism and the terrorist threat at the time but also
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that mi5 did not want to be seen to be getting involved in the brexit referendum such a sensitive referendum and so finally balanced in 2016. he wanted to steer clear of that. and again you are right on both points and it was one of the folks who were serving in iraq and afghanistan who worked on the isis campaign that gchq's man with was over normally focused on the war on tear at the time and the isis campaign and we lost our way when it came to state threats, either from china or from russia as well. so that is undoubtedly true. you mentioned china there and we have heard about them so much of the last few days as a rising threat. does that mean we are facing a dual threat in terms of superpowers who don't like us very much, russia and china? russia is a big country and it has of nuclear weapons but its economy is about the same size as spain but it is
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heavily maligned towards us so let's get russia in perspective. we had the same level of strategic myopia sadly in dealing with china as we have done with russia and we have been late to the party on understanding the threat from both and in both cases we have one party authoritarian regimes who are presidents for life who oppose our values and who undermine our interests. suddenly and slowly in the china case and quickly and crudely in the russia case. but we need to deal realistically with both and we need to strip away our illusions. we think that the world got nice after the end of the cold war but sadly it did not. and i think we are now really have to start realising that again. thank you for being with us on bbc news this afternoon. the headlines on bbc news — a long—awaited report into russian influence in the uk accuses the government of failing to investigate possible interference in the scottish
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independence and eu referendums. us secretary of state mike pompeo meets borisjohnson and congratulates the uk government on banning the chinese tech firm huawei from its 5g networks. the government borrowed nearly 130 billion pounds between april and june this year — a record amount — as part of the cost of the response to coronavirus. the us secretary of state, mike pompeo, on a visit to london has welcomed britain's response to china's new security law in hong kong. he also congratulated borisjohnson on banning the chinese telecoms giant huawei from taking part in its 5g networks and denied it was just to appease the united states. the prime minister's decision was reflective of what he believed was in the best interest
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of the people of the united kingdom, i have absolutely no doubt about that. we had a number of conversations about a broad range of issues, not all of which we agree on and not all of which we've come to the same conclusion about. i think the united kingdom made a good decision, but i think that decision was made not because the united states said it was a good decision but because leadership here in the united kingdom concluded the right thing to do was make that decision for the people of the united kingdom. in respect to huawei, we don't have an end state that we seek from them, we have one for the united states, which is that the private data belonging to americans does not end up in the hands of the chinese communist party. so our efforts aren't aimed at any one particular company or business, they are aimed at protecting american national security, and we'll continue to take actions against every entity that engages in trade behaviours that are inconsistent with american national security or uses
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delicate mutations infrastructure in ways that pose threats the united states of america, whether to our military information our high national security information, or the average citizen's private information be not in the hands of the chinese national security apparatus and no american should engage in ordinary activity on your cell phone or laptop computer, or talking on their phone... no american should have the risk that that dataset is going to be in the hands of the chinese congress party and we're determined to make that doesn't happen so the things you've seen today from multiple companies is reflective of that security mission that we have. our diplomatic correspondent paul adams gave his verdict on mike pompeo's choice of language towards china. somewhat patronizing. yes, he said well done to dominic raab on what happened with huawei.
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a distinction between the two men on it with pompeo saying it was a principled decision very much in line with the way the us was looking at it, but denying the notion that this was as a result of us pressure. and dominic raab saying that this was a result of us pressure because it followed us sanctions which made it difficult for the uk to pursue its limited cooperation with huawei so they arrived at the same conclusion but did it from rather different perspectives. there are those who say the uk has to choose between the united states and china because the us and china are involved in increasingly tense relationships and we have to choose one side, and it will always be the united states. yes, and that is very much the way the united states sees it. the trump administration has been pretty ferocious about china, somewhat inconsistent rhetorically it has to
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be said, but pretty ferocious against them and this talk that mike pompeo had about building out a coalition involving notjust britain but other members of the five eyes intelligence club, the united states, canada, britain, new zealand and australia and when they speak to a desire to ramp up the pressure on china, to seize the moment, they feel like the world is turning against china and it will seek closer ties with the united states as a result. clearly the united states would like britain and other places to take those measures. at the moment, no indication from the british government that they are ready to go there, either in terms of the trade war united states has once again china or in the targeted sanctions against individuals that we've seen britain doing with regard to russia and saudi arabia but perhaps not quite willing to get ad hominem when
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it comes to the chinese as well. it is unclear to those who do not see things in that kind of economic context. at the same time, the possibility of a trade deal is enhanced. britain's gradual withdrawal from the eu. a meaningful new trade arrangement at the end of the year, keen desire to forge us close a trading relationship with the united states as quickly as possible, although most people think that will take a great deal out there and then the nature of britain's trade with china
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so this is an extraordinarily difficult and delicate diplomatic and commercial tightrope that the government has to be walking the all time right now. many thanks. an independent inquiry into allegations that children and mothers died or were permanently harmed by poor maternity care at an nhs trust is to look at hundreds of more cases. the review has examined the records of nearly 1500 cases over a 40—year period at telford's princess royal and the royal shrewsbury hospital. letters will be sent to the nearly 500 newly identified families asking if they want their case to be reviewed. england's chief medical officer has been questioned by mps over the uk's record so far in tackling coronavirus. the chair of the health and social care select committee, jeremy hunt, asked chris whitty whether he was comfortable with the government's decision on the timing of the nationwide lockdown back in march. i am confident that the ministers at the time, who were put in an incredibly difficult position, in my view followed the advice given by sage, which are clearly signposted through the minutes of sage, with a delay that was no more than you would reasonably
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expect for what are really very difficult things to operationalise and assign. i think i'd make a slightly further comment, which is obviously to be able to do this, there was a bit of signposting that sometimes we may have to go further, and ministers were aware of that and they said that at the time. so, for example, on the 16th, my memory is that the prime minister did not announce schools closing, but i think he did say at that time "and we might need to consider schools closing". i do not think, and i'm not saying now and i'm not going going to say at any point, to be clear, that in my view there was huge delay between the advice that the ministers received, given the enormity of the difficulties we were grasping of people and the practical implications of what was being done. does that give you a clear enough answer to the question you were asking me? it does. it is a much more complicated picture than that, but as a summary, that will do. meanwhile, this afternoon, the health secretary, matt hancock,
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was also questioned by the science and technology committee about covid—19 vaccinations. he was asked how quickly the government will get the 30 million doses it's aiming for. from the moment that a regulator signs off a vaccine as being both efficacious and safe, there are two critical parts to the next steps. but there are many parts, too, that have got to go right. the first is the manufacture of the vaccine, which is starting before the vaccine is approved. and the next is the distribution and administration of the vaccine. administration as in injecting it into people. now distribution is not simple because you need a cold chain because the vaccine needs to be kept below room
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temperature and the administration needs to be done by people who are qualified and in fact we are changing the law or have proposed to change the law to broaden the regular range of qualifications that are allowed to do the vaccination. the health secretary matt hancock speaking to mp5 this afternoon. the latest number of coronavirus deaths has been released. the government said on monday a further 110 people had died in hospitals, care homes and the wider community after testing positive for coronavirus in the uk. in separate figures published, 445 lab confirmed cases were recorded in the 24—hour period up to this morning. that is the number of cases where covid—19 was mentioned on the death certificate in the uk, but may not have been the cause of death. so, the total number of people who have died after testing postiive for coronavirus stands at 45,422. the actress amber heard has been questioned at the high court about injuries she claimed were caused by her former
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husband johnny depp. she's been giving evidence for a second day at the libel case brought by the hollywood actor against the sun over a report which claimed he was a wife—beater. he strongly denies the allegations. our entertainment correspondent lizo mzimba has been in court. what has been said today? this is the second day that amber heard has been giving evidence at the witness box in been giving evidence at the witness boxinjohnny been giving evidence at the witness box in johnny depp's been giving evidence at the witness box injohnny depp's libel case against the the sun, a case where he was labelled a wife beater and of course she says that those allegations are absolutely true, though allegations are absolutely true, thouthohnny allegations are absolutely true, though johnny depp denies allegations are absolutely true, thouthohnny depp denies them. she was taken today through a number of insta nces was taken today through a number of instances where she says was taken today through a number of instances where she sastohnny depp was violent towards her. in particular this morning one incident was focused on in los angeles in march 2015 when she was asked
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if she had ever hitjohnny depp. and she said there was one incident where they talked about basically she said her sister was at the top of some stairs in los angeles in one of their penthouses and johnny depp was being violent and she feared that her sister was going to be pushed down the stairs and she said i did strikejohnny down the stairs and she said i did strike johnny that day down the stairs and she said i did strikejohnny that day in defence of my sister. she then said that actually what had brought that to her mind at the time was that she had heard a rumourfrom two different people thatjohnny depp had pushed a previous ex—girlfriend down the stairs. she said she thought that was kate moss and that was why she had particularly sprung to the defence of her sister in this situation because it reminded her of what she said she had heard that had happened to kate moss previously. that will ship of course thatjohnny depp had with kate moss many, many yea rs before. depp had with kate moss many, many years before. it was put to her
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on many occasions by the qc representing johnny depp that she was making this up as she went along. she was inventing things. she said that she had never heard that amber heard had referred to kate moss before in previous legal undertakings or statements or depositions and she thought this meant that she was truly making it up meant that she was truly making it up as she went along. amber heard was equally adamant back that this was equally adamant back that this was what she had heard and that johnny depp had been about to push her sister down the stairs. she will also get to various photographs as she was yesterday where the qc representing johnny depp said she did not think that showed any injuries at times when amber heard said she had been injured byjohnny depp shortly before amber heard disagreed saying she thought the photos did in fact show injuries and also say that she often wore makeup when she was out in public so the injuries might not be particularly apparent. she was also
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taken through an incident in australia wherejohn had been filming one of the pirates of the caribbean film series and she said there was a situation that was like as amber heard described a three day hostage situation where johnny depp had been violent towards her repeatedly. again the qc asked her repeatedly. again the qc asked her that actually these things never happened and that amber heard had invented these allegations of violence and amber heard at times was very very emotional and went through and a lot of detail what she said johnny depp had done to her on these occasions. she described being hit, being punched, being grabbed and was absolutely adamant that her account is true and thatjohnny depp was violent towards her in this way, not just was violent towards her in this way, notjust on was violent towards her in this way, not just on the was violent towards her in this way, notjust on the one occasion but on multiple occasions. amber heard is due to continue giving evidence here at the high court tomorrow. many thanks. a senior nurse in bradford who had
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been in a coma for more than 40 days with coronavirus has been given an emotional send—off from hospital by her colleagues. applause. 52—year—old ayesha orlanda is originally from the philippines and works at bradford royal infirmary. she had been in intensive care for 41 days after being admitted in may. staff from four wards gathered to applaud her leaving the hospital. now, it's time for a look at the weather with chris fawkes. hello there. for most we saw some sunshine on tuesday but we had this cloud around and for most this did tend to spread across the sky and was a bit cloudy and particularly in north wales in the midlands and east yorkshire as well. looking at the forecast now we have changes on the way. the
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cloud thickens and outbreaks of rain setting into northern ireland and scotla nd setting into northern ireland and scotland overnight and turning quite heavy and persistent air and not especially windy but there will be similar cloud and mist and fog patches around the coast in the northwest and further south mild with the temperatures around 10—12. tomorrow this especially slow moving area pressure will vary gradually had its way eastwards into scotland so had its way eastwards into scotland so keeping rain for much of the day in both scotland and northern ireland and eventually the ramp reaches northern england and perhaps north wales two. for the midlands and he singly and the south, estates drive with hazy spells of sunshine and warm in that sunshine but for the north 16 with the cloud and ran it will not feel too special. that is your weather. hello, this is bbc news. the headlines: a damning report from mp5 on alleged russian interference in uk democracy, including the brexit referendum: it says the government badly underestimated the threat while british intelligence took its
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eye off the ball. the report reveals that no one in government new if russia in government knew if russia interfered in or sought influence in the referendum because they did not want to know. we are not for a second complacent about the threat russia poses when it comes to cyber. us secretary of state mike pompeo meets boris johnson — and congratulates him on banning the chinese tech firm huawei from its 5g networks. i think the united kingdom made a good decision, but i think that decision was made not because the united states said it was a good decision but because leadership here in united kingdom concluded the right thing to do was to make that decision for the people of united kingdom. uk government borrowing soared to more than 35 billion pounds injune, about five times more than the same time last year because of the coronavirus crisis. at thejohnny depp libel trial his ex—wife is questioned about the injuries
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she says were caused by him. sport and a full round up from the bbc sport centre. it is jane. some relegation issues in the premiership still to be sorted out. yes. sir alex ferguson used to say it a squeaky bum time. a very significant night at the bottom end of the pre—milik paper. both aston villa and bournemouth could be relegated later. here is why. if what fred get a point against manchester city in a game that kicks off in under half an hour, bournemouth will go down. that leaves avella who face arsenal up needing to match watford. otherwise they will play in the championship next season as well. i think there is no pressure next season as well. i think there is no pressure on us as we came next season as well. i think there is no pressure on us as we came back from project restart. ten games and we we re from project restart. ten games and we were in the bottom three and i think everybody has had his relegated since march. ourjob
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is to go and prove people wrong. i said before, the players have played under pressure and they seem to thrive on it. at the other end of the table, jurgen klopp and the chief cost of lumber this high police are asking liverpool fans not to congregate outside of enfield tomorrow. —— chief cost both. when they are presented with the trophy. they are hoping to avoid a repeat of the scenes outside of the docs when the scenes outside of the docs when the report declared the winner. all professional matches are being played behind closed doors because of the danger of spreading the virus among crowds of people. we collectively understand the desire to celebrate and show the team our appreciation and to have a massive party. but now it's not the time to celebrate. we have waited 30 years so celebrate. we have waited 30 years soa celebrate. we have waited 30 years so a few more months is it too much to ask. too many people have lost their lives already, so please let's work together to keep our families, friends and neighbours face. and please, listen to our
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fca message jurgen klopp and the players and trust them when they say they will come to celebrate. but that they really is not tomorrow. some things have changed. thank god something change, but we are not through this and we have to make sure that we don't play anybody else at that is what which i constantly but everybody should try. the scottish fa are targeting the nation a legal commitment against israel on september the 4th as a test event for the return of supporters to the park. chief executive ian maxwell has spoken to the scottish government about potentially having a crowd at the time which is playing a crowd at the time which is playing a month before the nations meet in the euro 2020 playoffs. it is also been confirmed this season postponed scottish cup final which had been scheduled to be played in me will now go ahead on december the 20th. organisers of the upcoming us open insist it will still go ahead despite the cancellation of a
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warm up despite the cancellation of a warm up in washington, dc. nick curiosity is the current champion of the atp event which was scheduled to take place in the middle of august. a fortnight before play begins at flushing meadows. the event was supposed to mark the resumption of the men's tour. a number of top players have already expressed doubt about travelling to the us. next year at rugby league world cup will begin at newcastle st. james park with the host in england playing some moa. the match will take place on october the 23rd while the reigning champions australia it will ta ke reigning champions australia it will take ona reigning champions australia it will take on a fiji and whole. best samoa. scotland and harlem play the following day with wales in action on the 27th. it is the first time the men's, women's and will check sediments will all be played at the same time. with 61 matches taking place across five weeks. -- will chair tournaments. as somebody who is played in three world cups, through will cup finals, i know how important this is to the players. they will be able to look at those pictures now being announced this
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morning and they will be able to start and target games and target the tournament because when they come to that first game in the competition, they will want to be fired up. this is the best age you can ever play on and this is where you make a name for yourself. he could hear more from the interview at sportsday. and follow the latest from tonight premier league matches on the bbc sport website with the build up to watford against manchester city under way now. that is it. thank you, jane. see you later on. let's get more on that long—awaited report into russian interference in uk politics — which found that the government ‘badly underestimated' the threat and the response it required in 2006, former russian agent alexander litvinenko was poisoned by polonium in london. his widow, marina campaigned for the right to an inquest into the cause of his death. our security correspondent gordon carrera asked her for her reaction
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to today's report. actually, i found the report very critical and very strict, especially part of russian money involvement in british politics and the british economy. i can't say was it naive, the british government, that you could call them naive, not to pay so much attention for what the russians might do in the uk or it was a kind of calculation. you have a preference, for your state business, and you think it would be better than just controlling security. for me, it looks like state business went ahead of security. do you think britain failed to learn the lessons of what happens to your husband in 2006?
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unfortunately, yes, and all the hard work, notjust mine, it was the work of the police and journalists, they work very hard to bring this case to the public eyes. it was a public inquiry, everybody tried to build the case as strong as possible. i can't hear in the last years... appointed as what was behind this crime, now we are talking about salisbury. it is a very fresh event, but we need to remember what happened in 2006. it was not a strong reaction after that. now we are discussing about hacking and attacks to try to get a vaccine from british scientists, and again it would be all the same, it would not be a strong reaction.
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you think britain has failed to learn the lessons and be strong enough in responding to russian activity? i would say they have failed and it was not a strong reaction but there is another question, why? i have a couple of points. trust and responsibility. after the russian report was not published nine months ago i think it was a lack of trust, and after that they trust less and less. it doesn't matter how strong this report is, how critical, but we were waiting so long and everybody was asking, and it became less and less trust in the government. i would say not even the responsibility but reputation because there is a lack of trust, reputation is again very
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bad now. i think the russian report has accounted the reputation of this government... let's speak now to catherine belton, special correspondent at reuters and the author of the book, putin's people. thank you for being with us. this report from mps today is pretty scathing about what russia is up to in this country saying that russia under putin has moved from potential partner to establish threat, talking about the rise of the russian elite in london and rival oligarchs and dirty money being recycled through a london laundromat. how dangerous do you think the russian threat is?” think they have been increasing their presence in the uk over quite some time. in the report that was issued today is quite robust and pointing out that the uk now
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essentially faces a threat from russia from within its own borders, they have been gradually increasing their capacity as you point out through this laundromat, russian oligarchs, and i were these very closely fused with the russian state and the report points out there is this fusion between the russian business and intelligence services. —— in these days are very closely. the lines of every blurred. essentially since putin came to power, the uk established this very open to russian money and the london markets opened its arms to russian money and there was a belief that in doing so, it would encourage russian businesses to become more transparent and follow their international rules based order but that didn't happen in the opposite happened, the longer putin remained in power, the more hostile he became to the west and the more hostile his intentions became towards the uk at the same time, business became more and more deeply embedded into
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the uk and more deeply embedded into the uk and into such a degree that it is now almost impossible to put the genie back into the bottle, they have been able to very ably back off any investigation into their presence and influence here through the use of the law firms and pr firms and they have this great sort of network of reputation laundering entities, so it is made very difficult really to get to the bottom of it and i'm very encouraged by this report which points out in quite such language to the extent of a russian influence in the uk. what exactly is vladimir putin proximate game? what is he trying to achieve with all of this do you think?m game? what is he trying to achieve with all of this do you think? it is really a question for him. he wants to restore russia as a global player on the world stage. so he is really intent, unfortunately, rather than through increasing the standing of russia's on the economy and making it more competitive with
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the west, fortu nately it more competitive with the west, fortunately he had reverted to old soviet tactics, with the soviet union can compete directly with the west, it went to covert tactics of trying to undermine the main adversary, ie the west commanded the south through using this huge stash of cash or has now in london in particular to undermine and buy often corrupt officials. very briefly, do you think the report says that this threat from russia is the new normal. is that how you see it) this will be a continuing threat? i am afraid so because russian cash is so deeply embedded in the uk and other western countries as i said, it is quite ha rd to countries as i said, it is quite hard to put the genie back into the bottle. a big issue is of course the following of russian black has through london over the last
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decade oi’ through london over the last decade orso, through london over the last decade or so, quite wide it has been the use of llp, the shell company so you have to declare any beneficial ownership at all. you don't even have to have any business activity in the uk and there is no one checking the accounts, so there has been tens of billions of dollars funnelled in this way through the uk and then they may have gone into hedge funds, hedge funds have been big, backers of brexit for instance, hedge funds don't have to disclose anything about their clients are where the money is coming from and get the are very influential and all political systems and that is clearly area that we have to boost oversight from the nca and other entities into trying to track the money flow. good to talk to you. european union leaders have agreed the terms of a coronavirus recovery package worth 750 billion euros. the deal was reached
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after their summit in brussels stretched into a fifth day — ending just after dawn this morning. grants and loans will be offered to member states which are struggling economically because of the virus. the european council president charles michel said it was a "pivotal moment" for europe. doctors, teachers and police officers are to get above—inflation pay rises, in what the chancellor, rishi sunak, has called recognition of their vital contribution to the country during the pandemic. 900,000 public sector workers will benefit. labour says the rise would not make up for years of real—terms cuts. andy moore reports. after several months on the front line of the crisis, some welcome news for key public sector workers. they will get the full pay increases recommended by the independent pay review bodies. teachers in england will get the biggest pay rise — 3.1%. doctors and dentists across the uk
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will see their pay increase by 2.8%. police officers and prison staff in england and wales will get 2.5%. while the armed forces and the judiciary across the uk will get 2%. some of the increases, such as the ones for doctors, will be backdated to april. others will come into effect in september. more than a million nurses and hospital staff are not included in this announcement. they've already agreed a separate deal which works out at over 4%. chancellor rishi sunak said... the labour party and the trade unions say the pay rises are good news, but don't make up for a decade of real—time cuts
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in the years of austerity. the doctors' union, the british medical association, said the government could have done even more for staff who'd put their lives on the line during the pandemic. government departments won't get extra funding to pay for these rises. the treasury claims that pay awards should be affordable, that they shouldn't affect the provision of public services. but where budgets are already under pressure, this decision could force other tough choices. andy moore, bbc news. he'll be best remembered as was one of the heroes of england's world cup victory in 1966 — but today those who worked alongside jack charlton at leeds, middlesborough, newcastle and the republic of ireland joined to pay tribute to ‘big jack‘ at his funeral. despite covid restrictions — hundreds of people lined the streets of ashington, in northumberland, to pay their final respects. our
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correspondent danny savage was there. the park is over the road. these are the railings of what was their primary school back in the day with the tribute here. it is hard to understate just how much affection this town has project charlton. —— forjack charlton. to the theme tune from local hero, jack charlton's final journey started at the beginning. he was incredibly proud of his home town of ashington so his family wanted him to have one last tour of it. this, after all, is where he and his brother bobby paraded in 1966 after winning the world cup. no open top bus — just the back of a vintage
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car. fast forward 54 years and the affection is undiminished, and the people who live here turned out in their droves. i danced with him when i was about 16. he could play football but he wasn't very good at dancing! he's a big part of ashington and he's going to be big loss. he's an ordinary man, the backdrop to our lives, he related to common people, he worked hard and got out of the pits, as it were, and he became a professional. a great role model for young people. i think he's a fantastic representation of ashington and its spirit because it hasn't had a lot going for it in recent years but it hangs onto wonderful memories such as jackie and bobby coming from this town. because of coronavirus many of jack charlton's own relatives are not able to attend the funeral today and in normal times it would also have seen many famous faces from the world of football but it's hoped
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they will all gain some comfort from the number of people who have turned out on the streets of ashington today to pay their respects. not unexpected, if i'm honest, because he was a man of the people. he was a people's person and he loved nothing better than coming back to ashington whenever he could. his funeral cortege went past the park where the charlton brothers first learned to play football and their old school. his family and those on the streets were visibly moved. such an icon for this area. my children play in the same fields that he grew up in, so it's really touching my heartstrings, to be honest. jack charlton is one of northumberland's favourite sons, and he will always be remembered fondly here. after his final trip over action within the family went to a private funeral service in newcastle and
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those that couldn't be there because of numbers have the service relate to them on the internet, it really was quite something to see here on the streets today and there is not a campaign under way to get perhaps a statue to jack but here in ashington under a lasting memory of him. —— there is now a campaign. the settle to carlisle railway is one of the uk's most spectacular routes — and as of this week there's a new way to enjoy it. with fewer commuter trains running because of coronavirus, a regular tourist train can run along the line for the first time in decades. jayne mccubbin was one of its first passengers. whistle blows. step on board the staycation express, the very first timetabled tourist train in the country, something this enthusiast... i think i'm a bit more than a railway enthusiast.
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i think i might be the golden anorak. ..this anorak is very enthusiastic about. so this is purely for tourists, people that have all day to spend just looking out the window and enjoying the railwayjourney. the views are spectacular, right along the service from skipton in yorkshire to appleby in cumbria. it's beautiful, yes. you getting some good shots there? iam indeed. everybody who comes on this railway line wants to see the ribblehead viaduct. well, i have to say, brace yourself for a slight disappointment because the best views of the viaduct are most certainly not from the train, as it's underneath us. fear not — we've thought of that. the settle to carlisle line, its many tunnels and viaducts, were built over 140 years ago, almost entirely by hand. haunted tunnels give way to staggering scenery around the three peaks.
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and if you walk round all those three peaks in under 12 hours, you get a certificate. much over 24 hours, you get a helicopter! dedicated tourist trains might be common on the continent — not so here. when we've been to switzerland, we've been on tourist trains. we've been on the glacier express. we've been on steam trains going up some mountains. yeah, it's... they have their tourist trains. they take people to areas that otherwise would be inaccessible, and it's great. and i'm sure that this will be very popular, too, once the word gets out. that is the hope, and this part of the world really needs it. in appleby, businesses are open for the tourists. but, post—lockdown, the return has been slow. chris, i bet you never imagined you'd live through the first
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day of the summer holidays with no kids in this shop. i've had two in this morning, both heading back to middlesbrough. but, yes, they're a rarity. two, two. the town's become old all of a sudden. it has been really tough here. it must be heartbreaking for you, though, that. you can't break your heart. you've got to keep going. yeah, plough on. mm! i mean, you do have a message for people out there, don't you? come! you know, don't forget your little shops. we're the ones who've stayed open. we need support. it's all right going to the big ones who'll fetch it and put it on your doorstep. but your little shop here in town is desperate for you. slowly, though, they are returning, joel and his family part of the first wave. you're here on holiday. finally! finally.
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this is the first time we've left the house since march. we come from a little town just outside of oxford, so it's a long way. we're up visiting my wife's grandma. yeah, and not left our garden since then. this new service is all part of this slow return to normality, which they hope can help save summer here. on board, there's constant cleaning and face coverings are largely worn, although because it's a private service, aren't compulsory. it's kind of pointless saying, "say cheese," isn't it, with these masks on? smile more with your eyes! this line has survived two attempts to close it down, in the ‘605 and the ‘80s, and they're fighting the negative impact of covid just as they did foot—and—mouth. there's a huge post—covid place for this sort of service, because i think people are going to have more and more staycations, thus the name,
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the staycation express. and i think people are going to want to discover parts of the uk that they haven't seen before. i am always staggered by how many people have never heard of this line, and when they see it, they're just absolutely mesmerised. jayne mccubbin, bbc news. next it's the bbc news at six with huw edwards. but first it's time for a look at the weather with chris fawkes. hello. it was a gloriously sunny morning followed by a cloudier afternoon. the cloud that developed was this kind of cloud. it was broken but it did turn pretty cloudy. and wales across the midlands and the parts of yorkshire as well. that is the weather for today but tomorrow is just lurking care. a scenario of low pressure that will be bringing rain in. i say but actually we have rain edging in right now. —— i say tomorrow. this rain will be with you for much of the night. and the rain
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with low cloud forming, so mist and fog patch will develop around summer coast hills. it stays dry in the south and a milder night compared with recent nights and lows of around ten to 12 degrees. tomorrow, this area of low pressure will be slow moving and the winds not strong, nothing to blow the low along but rain for much of the low along but rain for much of the day in northern ireland and scotla nd the day in northern ireland and scotland trickling southwards into northern england in north wales as we head into the afternoon. south of it, and for the midlands and east anglia, probably the south the wales, some sunshine and filling warmer in the sunshine with highs up to 23 but underneath the cloud of rain, 16 to 17 degrees that will feel a bit less special. but there the same area low—pressure is slowly moving its way toward the north sea. many of us will start a for the cloud and rain. through the day, the rain will push out these words and it might well be we have bright or sunny weather to start the southeast and the rain didn't reach...
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today at six: the long—awaited parliamentary report into allegations of russian intereference in british public life. the threat from russia was not taken seriously by the government or the intelligence services, according to members of the committee. the uk government took its eye off the ball because of its focus on counterterrorism. the government had badly underestimated the response required to the russian threat and is still playing catch up. following numerous suggestions of russian interference in the uk's democratic system,
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ministers deny they've negligent. russia is a top national security priority. we are not for a second complacent about the threat russia poses when it comes to cyber. but powerful russian influence in the uk is being described as ‘the new normal‘. we'll have more on today's report. also on the programme: doctors, teachers and police officers get above—inflation pay rises to recognise their vital work during the pandemic. the high court hears that amber heard wanted to obtain a restraining order, against her then husband johnny depp, alleging violent behaviour. we meet one of the families who lost a child whose case is part of the biggest—ever review of maternity care in the nhs. and thanks and respect forjack charlton, one of england's world cup football heroes, whose funeral


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