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>> live from pier three in san francisco, welcome to "bloomberg west" where we cover innovation, technology, and the future of business. i am cory johnson. online food delivery service grubhub has just priced its ipo at 26 dollars a share boosting the size of the offering. plus, what do tech executives think of hbo's upcoming series "silicon valley?" but first, a check of the top headlines. mozilla's ceo rendon ike, ripped
by some in the tech committee for donating $1000 to a proposition aimed to ban gay marriage in california. the debate over that donation over six years old has been raging on social media. more shakeups are coming to late-night tv. david letterman says he will retire as the late show host. he has been on tv for 33 years, the last 20 on cbs. the longest stint ever for a late-night tv host. jay leno retired in february. cable billionaire john malone is shutting the book on barnes & noble investment. liberty media selling 90% of the initial investment and will abandon the struggling bookseller. barnes & noble have suffered three years of losses with low
sales of its nook tablet. grubhub raising the expected value of the ipo to $192 million, showing excitement over a deal that doesn't deserve excitement. a reasonable question that we hope to answer. leslie covers the ipo market. this coming out, what does it tell you about this deal? >> if you remember on april 1, they raised it three dollars a share on the low-end and high-end. now they are pricing above that range with more shares. that is relative to restaurants in the u.s., relative to internet service. and relative to e-commerce, much higher. we will see if investors are
receptive. >> we were trading spreadsheets today. i just took yours and kept mine. $26 looks like 15 times sales? that is a big valuation. >> they don't have any peers in the u.s. to compare it to. the london counterpart started the london counterpart started trading today and i have never seen a company that didn't have have any peers here but appeared in the same day across the pond. that ipo did very well. it traded up nine percent today in the first day of trading. we are kind of seeing the same type of investor appetite take place here as well. >> the grubhub guys like the deal that it ran after the ipo.
it is a profitable company. here is the problem with profitability. the price-to-earnings ratio, not just wall street geek talk but it speaks to -- it is trading at this price, 217 times last year's earnings. that is higher than tesla or anything i can think of of note. what is it that people seem to like about this deal? >> it obviously has a brand name. with tech companies, it is rare to see this profitability. i think they like the fundamentals and they like the brand name. they take a commission from each restaurant. it is relatively easy to predict that over the long run. it is what investors are looking for these days. >> essentially, they have this
plan that opentable tries to take, reservations trying to take the mobile. these guys have a similar model that they think they can make the connection between restaurants and deliver, being that platform. >> they say they took the standard paper menus and telephone calls, making their order to restaurants and putting that on the web. it is good advertising for the company and it is also more convenient for the consumer. by and large, a pretty decent business model in terms of what it has been able to do for their top and bottom line. their success depends on the ability to spread throughout cities. they have about 29,000 restaurants, three times as much market share to gobble up in the u.s. before they hit capacity. we will continue to watch that
growth, but it will of course be one of the big hindrances for them. >> this technology is so different from 15 years ago in 1999, the frenzy of the dot-com bubble. ipo's, you seeing a lot of them right now. >> it does seem like there are a lot of tech ipos coming out. last year was the lowest in terms of the amount raised. this year, the pipeline is incredibly strong. that number will skyrocket. >> incredibly busy. thank you very much. from food delivery to the debate over income equality. the lack of affordable housing has become a huge issue here in silicon valley. what is the tech industry's role in finding a solution?
george zachary, who invested in twitter. we started by asking them about the types of sacrifices that companies like twitter have to make. >> companies tend to keep the talent based on a smaller demographic. there are a lot more tech workers on the peninsula. you are kind of self-selecting for a certain group of people. that is what i see recurring over and over. >> i feel like there is this adoption of technology in a much broader way. it's about consumer facing tech and a broader adoption tech. >> if you look from san jose to
san francisco, you will see the stack of what is the internet. you have systems, enterprise software, consumer applications. >> ibm is sort of further south and -- >> enterprise software. oracle. >> and moving up, we have consumer business things like twitter. >> the experience of the internet now is a consumer phenomenon in addition to an infrastructure phenomenon. it is natural it will take place in cities where there are more consumers and people attuned to daily life. >> you think that companies >> i don't have a strong opinion about it. they actually did a bunch of
work in the community before they were purchased by microsoft. >> there is something about the young tech workers that the city appeals to, that they have a different set of skills than pure programming? >> i hear that i want to be near other young people because i can bond with these people. i can date them. i can have friends -- >> horny dudes is why we are having this income inequality debate? >> cory. i want you to take a listen to what they have to say. across the country at all income levels, take a listen. >> this is not easy to solve. we will always have income inequality. always. >> a capitalist system.
>> the nature of it. but we absolutely can't have a gulf where the barbell is so high over here and so tiny over here. income equalization. but it is called that you cannot have people that primarily cannot survive and build a family and have opportunity. >> barry diller speaking with erik schatzker. is that the conversation that people are having in your circles? >> no. everyone is trying to build the next biggest company. everyone is so frantic and hyper, they will miss a great opportunity. >> here in the studio, we will talk about facebook buying oculus and more. and the dynamic eel behind the smash hit "24." films like "a beautiful mind" and director ron howard later in the show. ♪
>> i am emily chang and this is "bloomberg west." streaming on bloomberg.com and your devices. mark zuckerberg had plans to change the future of our everyday experiences but the oculus rift has not even shifted to -- shipped to market. george, i want to start with a tweet that you sent out as soon as this happened. i believe this facebook oculus deal will have the same impact as yahoo!'s acquisition of geocities in the 90's. basically, people get richer, but not the world. >> it is a rift between $2 billion and something of value. i worked in a company that coined the term virtual reality
in 1989. >> what has he said about this? >> jerod says it will not really change anything. a company called vpl, we know that there are certain problems that are not solved by commercial companies as well as the military. the human brain has evolved for your eyes and ears to be correlated in motion. motion sickness is when your ears are moving but your eyes -- your ears are picking up motion and your eyes are not. there is simulator sickness, the eyes are getting motion but your ears are not. >> you say that our brains are not ready for virtual reality? >> they are ready for augmented reality. rejecting a small image on top
of the glass windshield or a glass display. they are not really ready for this form of entertainment. >> why did mark zuckerberg buy it? >> i don't think that he knew what he was buying. and i think he was wanting to invigorate his gaming. >> geocities, it was quite a phenomenon. >> it was supposed to transform yahoo! into this next gen portal. nobody uses that word anymore. geocities was an early social network but it never amounted to anything. >> a pile of websites. >> it sounded exciting but it never materialized into a substantial business and i think oculus will be the same for facebook. >> obviously you are an investor
in twitter, but why isn't he building from within? do you see facebook as an enduring thing? or will it fade? >> i don't believe anything in life is enduring but in terms of silicon valley, facebook will be around for at least 10 years. >> what about the notion that mark zuckerberg in particular views -- you view his stock is overvalued. it will decline? >> when you get to the peak of a shared currency like facebook -- i am thinking about individual stocks. in the bubble, all stocks are percolating up to the highest. when people get to that point, do i want to use cash or my stock? people think i want to use my stock and when things get tough, cash still worth something.
>> if facebook will be around for the next 10 years, what will be the next big thing -- >> the truth is, i don't know the next big thing after facebook. almost every company that i invested in, when i met the founder, i had no preconceived notion. i have to invest in this person and in this idea. >> microsoft buying for a vast fortune, which -- what did you see that you draw lessons from? >> i was friends with the founder. we talked about how twitter was not being well managed. i am investing. he ends up building a compnay to allow people to collaborate. he basically build the company
out of this idea that there should be twitter for enterprise that he migrated to be a facebook for enterprise. >> what are you trying to look for? >> when i joined -- what i join these people to pursue doing this? >> i want to talk to you a little bit more about the investment you're making. more with george zachary, next. ♪
>> welcome back to bloomberg west. i am emily chang here with cory johnson and george zachary. we have seen three figure rounds, multiple rounds so far this year. raising $250 million. lyft raising $250 million. what does that mean to you? >> a steady sequence of very large rounds and in bubble territory. if you notice, very few people are saying it. >> you're the first person. >> nobody wants to say it because nobody wants to break it. >> usually everyone is saying,
i'm paying too much but the guy i am selling to is paying too little. the early rounds, these companies are too highly valued. >> we are seeing an expansion of valuation. >> is their desperation here? >> i definitely feel it. desperation to not miss out on what will be the next big thing. >> what about the frenzy around secret apps? >> we looked at a lot of them and talked to the founders. they don't really make the world any better. they are used too much to haze people and bully kids. >> what about pebble? >> pebble is doing fantastic, growing at twice the rate we did last year. the category between google glass and the watch, for example.
i don't know of other wearables that are growing. i can tell you the watch space is growing very quickly. >> they have not gone mainstream yet. will they? >> i hope they do. >> has the introduction of android for wearables changed the game? >> android is the only one i have taken seriously as a watch competitor. android requires 64 megabytes of memory to operate. the os runs at 128 k of memory. we want to be the most high-volume smart watch supplier. we can't do it with android.
we don't want to -- we want to move to $50. >> what about apple not coming out with a watch? >> i have heard that engineers they are trying to recruit, it is difficult to get a new project accepted that apple. you have the resources, and in the tim cook era, you have to put together a spreadsheet that shows how much this business is going to be worth. and how it will add to apple's revenue. those are the thoughts that come out of someone with a supply chain background. i don't believe apple is set up to succeed. >> this is why i love having you on, you are not afraid to say what you really think. thank you for joining us today on "bloomberg west." trying to keep government eyes away from user data. we will tell you about the web company's latest move, next. ♪
>> you are watching bloomberg west where we focus on technology and the future of business. i'm emily chang. securing user data from the prying eyes of government surveillance and other possible snoopers. in a blog post, the traffic moving between yahoo! data centers is now fully encrypted. yahoo! also made yahoo! mail the homepage and search more secure by making https encryption the default. tomorrow, bloomberg tv will have an exclusive interview with defense secretary chuck hagel. you can catch the full interview at 6:00 a.m. eastern. in today's new hollywood,
discovery communications is partnering with hollywood producers ron howard and brian grazer to form a new studio that will make short videos for online viewers. the venture is called new form. we spoke to discovery ceo david stanislav and producer ron howard in a bloomberg exclusive. why now was the right time to push into the digital game. >> our core mission is to tell great stories. the way we have been doing it is through our channels. we have been growing market share. and we have had a hell of a ron. it is not just on the tv set. we started on this journey. we launched 90 youtube channels. we also bought a leader in nonfiction streaming.
does almost half a billion streams a month. and we build the streaming business. how to distribute it, how to monetize it. when you look at that space, there is nobody playing hard in the scripted area. who are the best storytellers of our generation? in gauging a generation on the big screen and on tv, why can't we do that on the streaming space? we reached out to ron and brian. they had been exploring this area. we said that we can really make something happen. that is how i got started. >> from your perspective, what gets you and brian most excited
about something like this? you have had this itch for a while. >> we experimented with a company called pop.com. we were years and years ahead of the curve on that one. it is because the medium of short form is just very tantalizing. it is enticing and scratches various itches that you can do with the feature film because of the way the narratives have to roll out. and the way the characters can unfold. we've always had a fascination with it. every once in a while, i would go over and direct something for funny or die. david and brian started talking about it. here is discovery. they really understand entertainment and have had experience with it. it really reignited our interest
and our belief that we should approach it. but you have to approach it in a way. you have to reach for the people that have been exploring it creatively. it will be great to be part of it and to grow a studio around those very specific kinds of tones and ideas. >> where should we think about where we are going to see this stuff? do you see it on yahoo! or facebook or twitter? >> the great thing about digital content is that it goes everywhere. if you go to russia, we have 11 channels. we have been there for 15 years building those channels. ron and brian can produce a great piece of content and we can put it on and be available to everyone to consume. it is a real democracy on these platforms because the great
content moves to the top. the exciting thing is you can really scale up quite quickly. this is not like the cable business or the broadcast business where you're getting a license. we are taking advantage of the worldwide infrastructure. whether it is on the web, cell phones, all of those are screens today where people are consuming content. we see ourselves on every one of those screens. the great thing is a great piece of content gets pushed all around the world. there is nobody better at creating great content than ron and brian. and finding some great creative people to work with is a very big part of this. >> i am excited about that collaboration because as a consumer, i'm out there and watching and absorbing. i am fascinated by it. it is great to have a really compelling reason to get involved and understand it and build upon it. >> the ceo and president of discovery communications, david zaslov and famed director ron
>> i'm emily chang. this is bloomberg west. cory johnson is our editor-at-large. you have been talking all week long about education, technology, and startups. startups are not the only ones using technology to improve education. big tech companies are pouring dollars into devices and classrooms as well.
>> more players teaming up with washington, $750 million to support president obama's education and technology moves. making investments and renaissance learning. it is interesting to see these big moves from new companies, old big companies, they all look at this market. >> news corp. sees education technology as a potential business opportunity and in 2011, the company launched amplify. a division devoted to technology tools for the classroom. we are joined from new york, the former chancellor of the new york city department of education. take you for joining us. amplify has both hardware and software. tell us how it works. >> the hardware was designed for the school. everything we do, it this is important. it's not about technology, it's
about teaching and learning. the hardware has functionality that the schools want and the teachers want and the kids want. it's not just taking a tablet and saying you can use it in schools, we come with a curriculum that is unlike anything we have seen. it is the kind of thing that i prayed for in new york. really immersive stuff. it is a complete and new approach to the way we educate our kids. for the reasons that you alluded to in the introduction, we will see more and more companies jumping into this space and eager to play because we are at the beginning of the digital revolution in public education today. >> how many schools are you working with right now? how many tablets are deployed? >> hundreds of thousands are deployed and we will be rolling out 20,000 in a school district
in north carolina. we work with 200,000 educators in the united states on a range of services. data, analytics, customize learning experience, tablets and curriculum. we are really in the early innings, but it is something very exciting. >> the thing about silicon valley startups, they have been able to make some pivots. the initial plan is not quite right. the ipad has come along to dominate the tablet business. you have only sold hundreds, not tens of thousands, not millions. the work you have done, getting away from imagining specific hardware to compete with the likes of apple? >> software is the magic of this thing, the tablet is the vehicle for functionality. if it's the tablet, nobody is going to gain by it. we will be flexible as we move forward. the kind of thing we have on our tablet is driven by our software
and much more rugged. something i think schools are going to want. we will see how things develop. to me, it has always been a functionality we can bring to schools. something that our tablet does so that when the teacher said we are no longer working off the screen, we are working in the class. we have quick quizzes. everybody who is in startup mode, you've got to be flexible and see what the schools want. we are getting constant feedback and we will continue to learn. what i am convinced about is we are at the beginning of something that five or seven years ago would have been unimagined. if you look at the amount of investment in this space, the big companies that you mention want to play in it. news corp. is uniquely positioned because we don't have any legacy products to worry about. we created this from the get go. designed it for the classroom.
we see it as the best education company. as long as we can occupy that sweet spot in the middle, we will be fine. >> a viewer tweeted in the middle of this series that his wife is a speech pathologist and has found that having more tablets in the classroom makes it more difficult to teach social skills. students are developing social skills later given your experience? >> it depends on how it is being used. if you sit a kid for hours in front of a tablet, it's not going to work. that is not an engaging educational experience. one of the reasons that we put teachers on our tablet is so the teacher can say instead of looking at your tablet, look here. are we have a quest that we have designed one after the other where kids work together.
i was down at a pilot program in new orleans. the quest was about who killed edgar allen poe. this classroom was buzzing. it is not about technology. it is about teaching and learning. and can we, through these methodologies, improve the kinds of things that that speech pathologist is talking about. greater interactivity among kids. more cooperation, more teacher feedback. we have a device and an application that tells the teacher how much feedback she is giving to each child. she can look on one screen and say, emily has a lot of feedback and cory hasn't. let's pay attention to cory. >> speaking of which.
>> sounds pretty typical. >> there is a book called the flickering mind that came out a few years ago. is there something that is really different now, different this time then you guys are embracing with the notion that there have been long-standing introductions of technology and long-standing failures in the classroom? >> we always thought we could take consumer technology and shove it in a classroom >> when i was in new york, i was amazed at how many computers stayed in their boxes. the technology won't get us where we need to go. amplifying everything we do through the prism of teaching and learning. i have educators, former teachers and principals working hand in glove with our tech people and creative people. if teachers don't embrace it, it won't work. i don't care how cool the tech
is or if every consumer might want it. if it's not enriching the teachers experience and the student experience, it won't work. this is the first time i am seeing people develop things that this classroom is going to be improved by the teachers will be embraced. when i was in louisiana last week, i was amazed watching the seventh grade kids trying to figure out who killed edgar allen poe. they had to work with each other, do reading together, share ideas, and read like a detective to figure this out. that is what makes it rich. it wasn't the fact that some kid had a tablet in his hand and was surfing the internet. it was the content they were exposed to. >> one of the things we have been talking about is why big technology companies are not more involved in education. is education really a lucrative business? >> i think we will only make money out of this if we do it in a way that the schools find it
an enabling and empowering. more and more tech companies are moving in this space. google is doing a lot in this space. apple is doing a lot in this space. would you will see is greater convergence across the board from the tech and the content companies. i want to emphasize that things in education move slowly and nothing is going to happen overnight. we are at the beginning of something very powerful and very exciting. >> you were involved in one of the most important cases in technology, going after
microsoft for antitrust. now that it has gone to the forefront with comcast and time warner, also the trailing deals of t-mobile and possibly sprint, do you see a real change at the way the justice department -- >> he was at the federal trade commission when i was running the antitrust division and i think his thinking is similar to mine. you don't want to impede innovation and make sure there are no bottlenecks. it will animate us and certainly animate the justice department as it moves forward. >> thank you so much for joining us today as part of this special series, wiring the world. you can check out that content on bloomberg.com. hbo is taking on tech with its new series "silicon valley." we got a sneak peek with some special friends. you will see how we all reacted to this show. coming up. >> he is a poser and didn't even write code. ♪
>> welcome back to bloomberg west. i'm emily chang. hbo is launching a new series on the tech boom. silicon valley airs this sunday but we watched the first episode with some tech executives. take a look at what some insiders thought of the show. >> about apps, software, websites, this is silicon valley. all right. >> it's dead on. >> that is eric schmidt. >> you have to deliver. like steve. >> steve jobs -- >> i heard you. >> jobs is a poser and didn't even write code. >> i think steve jobs is amazing. wozniak was the engineer that created apple, right? >> you can totally imagine having that discussion. >> it was much better than a bravo show.
>> everything is for sale. >> $600,000 for 10% of the company. >> can you imagine zuckerberg saying 18 or 19? >> the arbitrary nature is dead on. no matter what the offers are, they are based on nothing. the urgency, it you to acquirer or the thunder. nobody is interested until someone else's. >> we were sitting with barack obama and saying we are making the world a better place. constructing an elegant hierarchy for sensibility. >> changing the world by making enterprise software. they make that claim. >> at first, i was thinking, is this an exaggeration? it's not. >> what company does it remind you of?
>> every major dot com. yahoo!, google, facebook. >> bit soup. like alphabet soup but 1's and 0's. >> it makes you cringe. which is something that judge is brilliant at. >> keep running. >> he had to have an internship at google recently. >> it was good. at her than i think all of us were expecting. >> i don't watch much tv. but it was funny. and it was very true. i think it is also the things outside of silicon valley like to watch. >> we focus on one number that tells a whole lot. jon erlichman joins us from
l.a. >> how about the number five? the new ticker for google plus. googl. the four-letter ticker goog is used for class c stock. class b shares controlled by page and schmidt. those shares still get 10 more votes. that is the format for the stock. >> we spoke with mike judge that created the show. we will see that tomorrow, right? looking forward to it. we will see you later. ♪ the following is a paid program.