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>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. host: charlie is traveling. we begin with politics. donald trump junior released in email exchange that suggests that he went into a meeting with a lawyer knowing that it was part of a russian government effort to aid the campaign of his father. he met the attorney after he was told that she had compromising information on hillary clinton. heald trump jr. said that
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released the emails and an effort into being transparent. this is part of a months-long investigation. a democratic senator said that there is no question on whether the campaign looked to collude to subvert democracy. joining me from washington is shannon, a correspondent for o'keefe. news and ed welcome to both of you. donald trump jr. said that he released these emails to be transparent, but that was only because the emails were about to be released. >> the new york times got these and it seemed that he rushed them out. we appreciate the transparency in putting it out there, but it demonstrates the clearest links
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between officials in the russian government trying to talk to the trump campaign about damaging information about hillary clinton. and the words of mark warner, all of the denials over the past year or so from trump and his children about not talking to rush about any of this, those are cast aside by the proof that was put out today and shared with the world. even if nothing came of the meeting and he was nice enough to put that out there for everybody to see, it looks like he was trying to coordinate with the government or russian officials to discredit hillary clinton. collusion is not the legal issue. that is a political term. it is coordination with a er that could become an issue. legal experts are suggesting
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that this is the information that suggests coordination between the trump campaign and the russian government. the emails are real and the administration says that they are, there is a lot of interest in finding out whatever it was that they were trying to revive. first, there was a phone call. meet.he said, "let's >> he said, if there was damaging information, he loves it and he was eager to get information from the russian officials who, as the emails laid out, this was not just coming from a woman who was a lawyer in russia. she was referred to as a russian government attorney and the emails laid out that this was on behalf of the russian government efforts to assist donald trump. ocks the legs out from
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underneath of the stool where they propped up the argument where they say they never met with anyone from the russian government or affiliated with that government or acting on behalf of the government. witchhunte cries of and all of the talk of russia trying to assist the president's andaign was a witchhunt there was nothing there, just a cockamamie scheme, this shows that they actually knew that the russian government was interested in trying to help the trump campaign. host: the president says that he has nothing to do with this. >> that is right. he praised the transparency of his child and said that he ,efers people to his counsel his criminal defense that he has hired. that donaldsaid
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trump was not aware of this, even though it took place just one floor below his office and that paul manafort and jared kushner, a senior advisor at the white house, was involved. he may not have been directly involved, but there are lots of questions as to whether any of the three ever mentioned that they met with this woman. if that is the extent of it, fine. if there is evidence that he was encouraging it or was contacted are going into serious and new territory. host: what have we learned about her and what she is doing? questionss a lot of about the information she had and what she was doing there. we do not have an answer and we have only gotten a snapshot into what i think is a bigger picture that we will get more snapshots into. we do not necessarily know what
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took place in this meeting, what was said in the meeting. we have a statement from donald trump jr. about his characterizations of the meeting and they have been untruthful or half truthful. they have evolved from adoption programs to dirt on hillary the meeting being about the russian government bringing him opposition research on hillary clinton. there is a credibility question around donald trump jr. and his characterization of the meeting. that she didsaid not talk about the campaign at all and there is a credibility question around her because of the links and was described as a government attorney. the other people that we know of in the meeting, paul manafort and jared kushner, have not said
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anything about this. they will be asked about this like congressional investigators and those meetings, you know, they will be made public and they will have a chance to give their side on the meeting and it is expected that there will be questions about the special counsel and that is another chance where we will find out more about this meeting. host: donald trump jr. says that he is willing to cooperate. what does that mean? lawyer toto hire a figure this out. is aould think that it central part of the special counsel investigation and he will meet with robert mueller and his team. that the intelligence committee is looking into
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russian attempts to metal with the election, this falls into that. they will want to look into that more and it is important to point out that, as quickly as these stories surface, donald trump jr. said he is willing to talk to congressional investigators to clear the air. that could happen in public or behind closed doors. theof this is left to attorney he has hired and that is what they are therefore. -- there for. clarified whater meetings he has or has not taken? >> we don't know. lawyers, hishis spokesperson, for any sort of statement.
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we tried to reach out to get his side of the story and whether he was involved in this and i think he has the most at stake here because he is the one in the administration with a security clearance. prior to this recent story coming out, his spokesperson meeting was left off of his application and he thate-submitted application. the question is also out there as to whether he should have a security clearance. meeting withwas the agent of a foreign government to interfere in the election process. that could raise questions there. host: at this point, is she an
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agent of a foreign government? >> that has not been clarified yet. the email suggests that she was working on their behalf or was sent on behalf of the russian government. that much is not known or clarified yet and we know that she has spoken out against the act.t ski -- magnitsky thes something that vladimir putin regime is not supportive of and has been fighting, using adoptions as a way of punishing the united states. otherwise, i think everybody's role in this is unknown and the fact that the kremlin and the attorney are denying what many believe has happened, look, they have denied things for the better part of a year and they get proven true. one has to take a lot of what
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officials say with skepticism. through the information coming out, a lot of it is being discredited. males characterize her as a representative of the russian government. >> we still don't know the full story on rob old stone, a publicist who knew donald trump and donald trump junior. was a singer whose father was an influential connectionsand had with the russian government. thisis how we get through cast of characters to lead us to this russian attorney who wanted to meet with a promise of incriminating information on
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hillary clinton. pageantshave politics, , to start with. >> a lot of alliteration. post: how much of this goes back to 2013? >> a lot of it goes back to that direction. was commit that james comey had to take to the president elect and said that someone has been circulating this and somebody is trying to get people to talk -- thatis in washington traces back to the pageants in russia. that has to do with who he met and who he was working with and how they made money with russian contacts. all of it seems to be coming into clear focus and that is really why people may be
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skeptical as to whether this is a big deal and thinking "so what?" he was taking meetings for his dad, but this is filling in details about this and start thingsfute a lot of claimed by trump or trump associates and makes it clear that a lot of this traces back to business contacts in the has had and the russians realizing that this is somebody they could come to to influence his discredit hillary clinton, and affect the outcome of the election. host: the president's position is that all of this is nonsense. >> we have not heard much from him and his twitter feed has been quiet. he was quiet yesterday. sanders, thee
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spokesperson for the white house, she put out a brief statement from the president and said that donald trump jr. was transparent. typically, i would expect the president is not one who is shy to go into controversy when he is attack. he fights back. of all the people to be dragged over the coals, his own son. family is important to him and i have been trying to talk to people who have been close to him and i have not talked to hisody yet who knows feelings on this, but you know how he views family and feeling attacked. he has beeng advised not to say anything about this on twitter and i am sure this is a difficult time he is going through and he has had
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two days with no public events scheduled and we have not even really seen him. about donald trump junior and his involvement in the campaign in 2016. >> he did not have a formal role , online jared kushner, who became a more active advisor, especially later on in the campaign, unlike corey manafort,i or paul donald trump jr. was a surrogate, another voice deployed to meet with different constituencies and help humanize his father, just as you votto trump and eric trump were out there meeting with people. trump and eric trump were out there meeting with people, most notably gun owners. an important constituency
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when you are running for president in the republican primary and he was seen as an emissary to that part of the party. thank you very much. we appreciate both of your time. >> take care.
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george orwell's novel has been one of the most highly acclaimed books since the publication and it is seen as a seminal work arguing against authoritarianism and totalitarian regimes. it has been adapted into a play that is running on broadway. calls the play in tents in a way he has never seen on broadway. me now are the three stars. i am pleased to have them here. is this relevant for the times we live in in 2017? >> and how. i remember reading it and it was science fiction and it now feels like documentary. the play was done in london in response to the edward snowden
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situation. that was the inspiration for adapting it. a room after the election and thought it was a perfect time to remind everybody about 1984. charlie: the decision was made before trump. >> the decision to adopt it was before. >> it was done in five -- it was done five years ago. is takene language from orwell's book and none of the script has been manipulated or changed since the election of trump. people watch and feel that we have devised this purely for that purpose. charlie: does it have more relevance and power because it was written in 1949 and not in 2017? >> absolutely. if it was brand-new, we would talk about this jumping on a
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bandwagon. george orwell saw all of this in 1949 and that is terrifying. been thinkingave about coming to theater and this is something you wanted to do. did this seem perfect to you? >> it did and i saw the email that they were making this and i had the opportunity to audition and nearly pulled out of the movie i was going to shoot and my agents were horrified. they said, you should try to get the part before you pull out, but i said i knew that i was going to do this. of the directors and i was excited about working with was and the material something that i was familiar enough with and i understood it and loved the adaptation. i just felt so passionate about it from the beginning and it
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felt like a way to manifest my daily rage. charlie: manifest toward daily rage? >> it is cathartic. >> it is exciting. charlie: relevant. >> it involves an audience in an art form. the artistrature, and the audience are in a room and this play speaks to our times and it is really important that we all experience it together. it has caused a lot of very intense reaction. charlie: is it different for the audience? >> completely. there is this scary need for consensus and i think it is a dangerous idea. what is exciting about this is democratica
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response. some people are afraid, energized, walkout, laugh. it is a democratic reaction from people with all kinds of backgrounds. get ahead ofre i myself, we should explain the theme of 1984. tell me about the characters. in 1984 and written in 1949. main character, winston, is a grunt and he wakes up and of where he is and what is going on. charlie: does julia have anything to do with that? >> he meets julia and she helps with this awakening and they become radicalized. >> they fall in love.
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>> but sex is outlawed and they have broken the law. i play someone who could or could not the on their side and they trust me. it is part of the great mystery. is julia a spy? paranoiainto the great that we are experiencing now about who we can and cannot trust and who is and is not on your side. charlie: was there any trepidation to do this after the controversy around julius caesar? , whenwere already going that happened. what is nice about our play is that it is not about donald trump. happen and what can it is not as in-your-face as
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julius caesar. our play is theatrical. one of the things about the play theatricalre is a element and a stagecraft that you have never seen before. onrlie: how do you settle the look of the character? >> they did this in london and i had an idea of what the should look like. , likeed to look timeless a 1940's regime or set in 2084. i wanted to make it not quite look like a time. >> what is julia think she can trust winston? >> she sees that he is different and she understands that there extraordinary and
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brave about him. whether or not she takes advantage of that is up for debate. once they meet and sleep together and interact, she knows that she has fallen in love with him and there is something deeply moving about him and the dedication to the cause. charlie: and deeply risky. is the torture. >> what can i tell you? there is torture in the book and the play. differenton stage is than reading about it. charlie: how is it different? >> for the audience, it it cannot be escaped and you cannot make torture palatable.
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that is the opposite of what it is. the idea of showing the torture is to wake the audience up to and goes on and we torture everybody tortures. usis just an idea to most of . just seeing it performed -- and it is a play that we do eight times a week -- so everybody is ok, but the suggestion is upsetting. part.s an awesome that is all i needed to know. i am proud to be a part of it for the timing and for the theatrical. these are geniuses and it is thrilling to be in their company and this is a good story to tell right now.
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charlie: because? >> well, it could happen. do we think we are in a government that is sliding? >> we have people on the news talking about alternative facts. charlie: kellyanne conway. george orwell said that words matter and facts matter. that wordscomey says matter, it is very close. we are caught -- we are there. charlie: when you lose truth, you lose almost everything. point of taking words away and diminishing language is so that people don't have constructive conversations --create a deal with stick idealistic innovation. >> you don't know where you are
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if you do not have truth. >> there is this paranoia and anxiety that society takes on with a loss of values. what surveillance has done to us and what we are willing to sacrifice in the name of security is a big part of it true. a distrust for our fellow man has always been there, but it now strikes me as very upsetting. they are watching us. charlie: watching at all times. >> and we are watching each other. george orwell wrote about the telescreen, and we now carry it all the time. it tells of her buddy where we are and records us at all times. i imagine what george orwell would say now.
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i think he would be surprised with how right he was. charlie: is it all that you had hoped? >> and more. of theater actors and the strength and perseverance they have two do the shows. gathering and of rehearsing for this play was so powerful because we were able to connect with what this is really about and the reason we had to tell this story now. every night, it feels like we are gathering to work through these issues and it is inraordinary and to stand front of people and see them connecting to this story and meeting them afterwards. charlie: what do they say to you? they see you after the performance. >> they say that they are shaken and disturbed, and awakened by
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it. notion that this is a type of. peace -- this is some sort of period piece. this is a young man who is galvanized by the love of a fighting the people who brutalized his friends and family. it goes a long way. >> there is also a mixed media element of the show that people find interesting. three of the scenes take place in a set behind the stage and they are put on a screen above the stage and that is sort of new for broadway and people are finding that interesting. >> i am grateful for having had an authentic emotional experience. a lot of times broadway has fun
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and people sit back and it washes over you and you go to dinner. to actually feel something in the theater in a profound way is unusual and people are happy for that. rehearsal, we explored a lot of different ways to express love. when you do not know what sex is , intimacy is, tenderness is, you approach things differently. when they come together, it is physical.iolent, as we talk about torture, it was that wemportant to us were really going through things. we really hit each other. she hits me in the face as hard as she can. >> people are not used to seeing
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that on stage. >> when you get to the torture at the end and we use the imagination of the audience and we are not gratuitous. >> we suggested it early on with real things and there are things that people don't see, they think that it is really happening. charlie: you said to me that you would never consider yourself a real actor until you had been in theater. do you feel like a real actor? >> i now feel like i have earned actor is a being an title you feel like you have to earn. i now feel comfortable putting that on my resume. >> shias somebody who does not think she has done a lot, but she is a natural. charlie: you said, they came to me and i needed a way to
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manifest my daily outrage and i want to talk the on my own priors. is seen by so many people. the great thing about this play is that we have to start taking for ourselves. that is with the theater should accomplish. >> it should accomplish that and we have been reviewed by every kind of publication and we have gotten a great review in bright art, which was bizarre for me and i thought that was strange. this is a play that i am doing from a very specific perspective and it is being perceived through a different prism and i think that is unusual. i have found that to be the most fascinating thing and i knew the text had been co-opted by both sides of the i/o, but it is fascinating to see the same piece of material, because it is well-written and well produced, it is perceived in different
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ways. manualbig brother and a -- emmanuel actual people? >> this is a debate in the play and the audience comes and does not know what we believe. charlie: you would rather they do not know. play,ards the end of the we invite the audience into the production and put them on the spot and i think it is important to not be pushing anything on them. the political relevance of this play is because the audience brings this into the room with them. we do not carry it. there is no trumpism. the audience brings it in. that is why it is their play. amazing of it.
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you can take ownership of it. >> when you hear the line of the individual is dead, it makes people wonder if they are taking advantage of the individualism and this is something that sometimes gets a laugh. it is a recognition of our own failings and that we are a part of it. by being less literal, we have broadened the ability of the material to hit home. charlie: you are looking for values that speak to you and you are going into deep water and do not know where it might go. >> we are just telling his story and letting the audience have their experience. >> most of the people who have read the book have not read the appendix, which she was adamant about writing. it was about the future and
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suggest that the party had might have not. in our show, this allows for using pieces of the text that people haven't read. george orwell uses the declaration of independence as a text that would be difficult to peak.translated into news >> is anybody adapting it for film again? >> i think so. >> it would be irresistible. genius of roberts and duncan, the creators, they are great makers. there is this notion of a family sitting around a table and you get three hours of action.
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use everyhave done is ounce of originality that you can get into a stage production and we have incredible sound design. terrifyingand it is and it is inherently theatrical and uses all the great powers and magic of that art form. charlie: thank you. it is great to see you. it's great to be here. charlie: they will be there until october 8.
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charlie: we are joined by a standout comedian, actor to her, and writer. his new film is autobiographical telling of the beginning of their relationship when emily was in a medically-induced coma. his family wanted to set him up with an arranged marriage. the new york times calls it a superb story of culture clash. here is the trailer. ofi am just not that type
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girl. i only have sex once on the first date. watch and learn. girlhave been dating this and she is white. >> a white girl? >> who could that be? >> a young and single pakistani woman. >> the x-files are your favorite show? the truth is out there. >> are you judging the next top model? >> do you know how we have arranged marriage in my country? >> do you imagine a world where we end up together? >> i am looking for emily gardner. medically-induced
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coma. >> we will handle things from here. >> i think i am just going to wait. >> i don't know why you are here. >> i have always wanted to have a conversation. >> you have never talked to me about 9/11. you can't -- >> stonehenge. >> you win. >> -- >> let me give you some advice.
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love is not easy and that is why they call it love. >> i don't really get that. >> i thought that i would say something and some smart would come out. >> i am pleased to have him at this table. you came to iowa. >> i came alone from pakistan. i went there for college. >> and you stayed. >> i stayed and i moved to chicago. >> you wanted to be an entertainer? >> not until my last year of college that i started feeling -- i was studying computer science and philosophy and one i was not good at and one i could not make any money and and
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philosophy, i knew i didn't want to be a professor or any. computer science, i've out like i missed a class and i never caught up. you have a theory of life that i just love. was fallingear, i in love with standup comedy and -- charlie: a lot of communities -- comedians i know, they love, the and they are glad they are good at it. but, what they wanted to his make movies. up watchingown standup. i did not know about it.
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i love movies and i loved horror and sci-fi movies. comedies, as well. movies and to make it is easier to make stand up. >> you have to find someone to give you that. >> that is always the trick. you go and you do it. you can decide to be a comedian and be a comedian in six hours. a filmmaker,o be you have to convince people. charlie: you have to find an editor and get a script.
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so many people who are good at standup, they see jerry seinfeld and where is he now? >> ray romano is in our movie. he loves doing standup. does it all the does the tonight show. that was a lot. who is your hero and stand up? >> at first, jerry seinfeld. i loved jerry seinfeld and i his standy allen and up from the 1970's. i listen to that a lot and it thinks some of what is going on is groundbreaking.
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it is different and weird. it was specific. and neurotic. he would tell these stories that were idiosyncratic and strange. where, you get eight minutes in and is like, if this does not work, you have seven more minutes coming up. he did it and i admire that. atowlie: what has judd ap meant to you? what she is a great mentor and he taught me to trust myself. they can be easy to think you should or should not be doing that,ing and he also said in a movie, you can express whatever you want to express and
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you do not have to figure it out or tie it up in any way. , and movie, i wouldn't write anything about religion. i was raised religious and he asked why i'd didn't talk about religion and i said that i didn't know what to say about it that andid to just say that is what we put in the movie. his philosophy is to show people struggle and you don't have to show people overcoming it or wrapping it up. you don't even have to show understanding. you just have to show people having the struggles. he said that the christian -- the question is important and the struggle is not. >> is writing for comedy or aand up different or is it
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series of one-liners strung together? rules.e is kind of no i can do a bit that is one minute long and that is as long as it is supposed to be. theie, you have point of view and the perspective is clear and defined and they sound like themselves and do what they would do. you also have to show some journey for some of these characters and show them change in and some
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the struggles. all of this is tricky. funny, it doess not matter. with this movie, you have to be pretty focused on the story. i have no perspective of being a female and it is great that i wrote this with my wife because she is very smart. quite she wrote all the female character stuff. >> yes. she brought a lot for this. i don't think a woman would do this. no self-respecting woman would do this. a lot of movies are made by a des.h of due here is a trick. and theman in their
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person who plays emily and the person who plays her mom, they were very helpful and the female characters of the movie felt good. charlie: do you have an idea for another movie? >> i am rarely getting done for and it with this one will come out soon. the good thing has been that judd apatow puts you in charge of the process and you can be as involved as you want to be. charlie: you are learning on the job. >> you really are. i have watched so many movies that are part of the pathways, even if you didn't think about them, part of view understands them.
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they cross the line and people are looking. when you are editing, you realize you know a lot more than you think you do. i love editing. >> you took the words out of my mouth. >> you pause a little bit longer and something is funny. somebody says something and you say you don't believe them and you add 10 seconds to the thinking and it is really brilliant. hunter andh holly seeing how she works, it is really good. charlie: i was young in
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journalism and they would say that, when you do the clothes, take off the last sentence. >> that is great advice. it really is. movie, everying a scene should be -- you get a gs and thereplin should be one fewer than you going to theyou next one. michael showalter says that every scene should be incomplete until the end of the movie. beforecene should end the end of the movie.
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>> we have not even had sex again yet. once i only have sex on the first date. that becauseyet you made fun of me. >> i have seen everything. >> you are having sex. >> thank you very much. >> where do you think your core skill is? or the script? you can add after to this. >> i have always considered myself a writer when i was first
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doing standup. writer and the easy way to get the writing out ande was to get on stage get my writing out there. that i liked -- i tend i -- r think things and i would stay just to fight them. that and it like can translate to stand up and other situations where you can think at different angles. >> great to have you here. thank you for joining us.
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see you next time.
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