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but house speaker john boehner still slammed the president this morning. he says, quote, today's report shows that families and small businesses are still struggling to get by because of president obama's failed economic policies. could it have been better? we'll break down the numbers for you in just a few minutes. and president obama has a message for women. i'm thinking about you. the president spoke just a short time ago, kicking off the white house forum on women and the economy. >> i do think that the conversation's been oversimplified. women are not some monolithic bloc. women are not an interest group. you shouldn't be treated that way. women are over half of this country, and its work force. >> the administration is also rei reing a reporter at the forum on how they've worked to create jobs for women. republicans have blasted the
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event as a blatant attempt by the white house to court women voters. the president also reiterated his support for women being allowed to be members at augusta national. more on that a little later in the hour. marion berry now apologizing for taking a shot at asians. the councilman is no stranger to controversy, but just listen to what he had to say at his victory rally this week. >> we've got to do something about these asians coming in, opening up businesses, these little dirty shops. they ought to go. >> berry was saying that the city needs more african-american business owners. the mayor ripped berry over the remarks. berry just won a primary in the city council race. our athena will be talking to him in the next hour. a military board is recommending that this marine, sergeant gary stein, should be dismissed for taking a facebook and bluntly criticizing
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president obama. his commander in chief. the board handed down its recommendations after a long hearing at camp pendleton yesterday. they say that stein's actions amount to misconduct. stein insists he is just practicing his first amendment rights. the board's decision now goes to a general to decide. just how blatant were saints' coaches had they wanted to hurt the other team? well, new sound pretty much tells the whole story. >> every single one of you, before you get off the pile, affect the head. early, affect the head. continue, touch and hit the head. we need to decide whether crabtree wants to be a [ bleep ] prima donna or he wants to be a tough guy. we need to find that out. he becomes human when we [ bleep ] take out that outside acl. >> that was before the saints/49ers playoff game last season. former saints' defensive coach, gregg williams, has been suspended indefinitely for his
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part in the bounty program. meanwhile, saints' head coach, sean payton, is appealing his own one-year suspension. moments before he shot trayvon martin, george zimmerman whispered something during his 911 call. what he said, many speculate, was a racial slur. but here's a new analysis of his audio. we're going to replay you the phrase five times. so listen carefully. >> [ bleep ] punks. [ bleep ] punks. [ bleep ] punks. [ bleep ] punks. [ bleep ] punks. >> it's still very difficult to distinguish what zimmerman said, but his lawyer and now a forensic audio expert who analyzed that recording say what zimmerman said was "punks." listen again. [ bleep ] punks. now, serm members of cnn's editorial staff repeatedly reviewed that tape but could not
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make a consensus on whether he used a slur. the usually outspoken venezuelan president broke down during a pre-easter mass. hugo chavez asked god to spare his life because, quote, i have more to do for this country and these people. the 57-year-old leader has been under treatment for cancer and has undergone three operations in less than a year. chavez says he is recovering and will be ready to win another six-year term in october's election. end of a long journey for the japanese swishing troler swept away in last year's tsunami. the boat drifted across the pacific ocean for a year till it was spotted last month. officials decided to sink it because it posed a hazard to other ships and the environment. and we're learning more about the destructive power of those tornadoes that ripped through the dallas-ft. worth area on tuesday. to get an idea of just how much ground those storms covered, take a look at this 3d animation from nasa.
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it shows powerful storms that created the severe weather more than eight miles high. according to the national weather service, at least 13 twisters touched down, destroying or damaging nearly 1,100 homes and more storms are expected in that same area this weekend. well, good news about the nationwide effort to change a movie rating for the documentary "bully." the motion picture association of america dropped the "r" rating to pg-13. with the new rating, children of any age can see the film with an adult. the change came after the distributor, the weinstein company, cut a few f-bombs from the movie. public pressure also helped. 500,000 people signed a petition to have it changed. the director of the film had this to say earlier today. >> so overall, there were six curse words in the film. and three in that scene were the ones that were really conveying the power of the bullying. and we drew our line, and we held it. and we had so much support from so many celebrities, ellen
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degeneres, you know, meryl streep, the list went on. >> "bully" will open up in 55 additional markets on april 13th. hiring slows, but unemployment falls, and the republicans waste no time in slamming president obama. but she they be so quick to criticize? more on the march numbers coming up next. every time a local business opens its doors or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's not just good for business, it's good for the entire community. at bank of america, we know the impact that local businesses have on communities. that's why we extended $6.4 billion in new credit to small businesses across the country last year. because the more we help them, the more we help make opportunity possible. your doctor will say get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans...
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and the white house says, well, that basically proves the economy is continuing to recover. so is it? christine romans is going to crunch the numbers for us. you know, christine, i'm curious, where exactly are the jobs? what sectors are growing? and which ones are declining? >> well, that's a very good question because first look at this. 120,000 jobs created. since when is a better unemployment rate bad news? well, when it's only 120,000 jobs. economists wanted to see more than this, kyra. when you look within the numbers to where the jobs are being created, you can see that the private sector is doing all the work here. 121,000 jobs created in the private sector. and the government jobs, kyra, we're not having those government layoffs that we had been even a few months ago. so this is a positive sign that government layoffs are not quite so bad. but let me go within the sectors because i think you're going to find this pretty interesting. when you look at retail jobs, we lost 34,000 retail jobs. the only place you saw gains, really, in retail were, like, home and garden centers. it's been so nice out, right?
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that's where you're seeing jobs created, but you weren't seeing those -- you weren't seeing those elsewhere. on manufacturing, 37,000 jobs created in manufacturing. and that's kind of an interesting trend that we've seen. also health care jobs created. but 120,000 jobs overall, it's not enough, really, to even keep up with new people heading into the work force. that's why economists are concerned, kyra. >> so mitt romney attacking the president over today's jobs report. and here's what he says. it is increasingly clear that the obama economy is not working and that after three years in office, the president's excuses have run out. so considering today's report, who's right, christine? >> now, who you believe is right is who you'll vote for and who's going to win the election. that's what it comes down to, kyra. i firmly believe that how people feel about their job and their money is going to decide who wins this election. let me show you a little bit of the trend. because the trend is what's important here. the president's folks are focusing on the trend, which is jobs created every month for more than a year. you're seeing jobs created. what the romney folks and the
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president's opponents are focusing on, the fact that this is not enough to compensate for how all of these jobs lost at the end of the bush administration and the beginning of the obama administration. so to answer your question, there's something for both camps in here. yes, there is recovery, but these numbers are not as strong as you'd like to see. and you're going to see both sides start to blame each other and say, we're the best guy to harness the recovery we have to make it better. both camps are going to make that claim. >> christine romans out of new york for us, christine, thanks so much. >> you're welcome. so did you hear about this? sarah palin suggests that mitt romney should go rogue. how? she says pick florida congressman allen west for vp. so what does mr. west think about this ringing endorsement? i'll ask him next. nice. but, you know, with every door direct mail from the postal service, you'll find the customers that matter most: the ones in your neighborhood. print it yourself, or we'll help you find a local partner. and postage is under 15 cents. i wish i would have known that cause i
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congressman allen west has been described as conservative firebrand and a loose cannon. probably the most colorful description came from allen himself. >> i'm here as the modern-day harriet tubman to kind of lead people on the underground railroad away from that plantation into a sense of sensibility. >> now, sarah palin has an idea for a title. so does south carolina governor nikki haley. mr. vice president. florida republican representative allen west joining me live from davy, florida. what do you think? vice president allen west? would you consider it if you were asked? >> well, first of all, happy easter to you, kyra. and when you consider the fact that five years ago i was sitting in the desert of kandahar, afghanistan, as a civilian military adviser and training to the afghan army, no one would have ever thought that i'd be a congressional representative for here in south florida and speaking to you
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today. so we don't know which path your life may take. and if someone were to believe that i have a capacity to serve this country at a higher level is very humbling, very honorable. and as i did back in 1982, as my father did, as my older brother did, as my young nephew does, we will continue to serve this country in whatever capacity we can. >> okay. so bottom line, you're telling me yes, if mitt romney comes to you and says, i want you on the ticket with me, i want you to be my vice president, you would say yes? >> yeah. well, right now, you know, the focus is, of course, being a good congressional representative. but if someone were to make that call to me, which i really doubt is ever going to happen, you would have to make sure that it is something that god would ordain for you, and you'd have to talk to your wife, my wife and my two daughters about. but we have always stepped up to the plate to serve our country. and if it's the right fit, then i will do so. but as i said, i really much so doubt that that would happen. >> you know, there's a lot of
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things that we thought would never happen in the last couple of years, congressman, so i think anything is possible. >> that is true. >> indeed if mitt romney came to you, do you like mitt romney? do you support his views? would you feel comfortable on a ticket with him? >> well, you know, i've never been out on a dinner date with him if that's what you're asking me. so i don't know if i would like him. but i think that we'd have to sit down and discuss things. and look, i think that governor romney and i definitely have a different vision for this country, a vision that gets us away from debt, despair and the horrible situations you see with our economic security, our energy security and our national security. so i think that we will be able to come together as a team and be able to develop the right type of platform to turn this state around for the united states of america. >> let's talk about president obama's health care law. you've been very outspoken about this and outspoken opponent. in an op-ed, you said there's no question that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. you voted to repeal the law last
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year. but just the other day, you said you liked a couple of the provisions. coverage for preexisting conditions and letting kids until the age of 26 stay on their parents' coverage. now, voicing any support for that bill, could that be problematic for you as a vice president? >> no, it's not going to be problematic for me because i'm a pretty pragmatic and principled person. i don't have to go and follow as a mindless lemming off the cliff. but when i talk about the fact that we want to keep preexisting conditions covered, we want to make sure we keep the doughnut hole closed. and if an american parent wants to keep their child on their insurance coverage till they're 26, that's fine. but that's probably, you know, about 20 pages. it's the other 2,680 pages of that legislation, now law, that i'd be very concerned about. the fact that it is not going to cost the american taxpayers $940 billion over the next ten years. it will cost $1.76 trillion. there's 159 new government agencies and bureaucracies, 11
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new taxes, 16,000 new irs agents. the federal government now controlling college education loans. $575 billion of custom medicare and a 15-member panel of unelected bureaucrats that's going to do all the price controls for medicare. now, those are the type of things that i absolutely disagree with. and i do think that when you do the analysis of the individual mandate against the commerce clause, you cannot stress the commerce clause in any way, shape or form to make the individual mandate fit within there. >> all right. gay marriage. a big issue. bottom line. do you think it's something that the federal government should make a decision on? >> i think that when you look at who is issuing out marriage certificates, i think it's a states issue. but i think right now, there are a lot of people that try to take you down a rabbit hole to discuss things that really aren't that important. the united states of $15.6 trillion in debt. that's what we need to be talking about. >> wait, are you saying that gay marriage is not important? >> i think if you poll the american people, career kyra, i
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think they'll bring up gay marriage as one of the top concerns. the american people are concerned about where they're working. as a matter of fact, in yesterday i was up in ft. pierce, florida, speaking with folks at twin "skrrv" that prod catamaran boats. he had 100 employees. now he's down to 30 employees. and based upon the tax and regulatory environment and the health care law and several other things that are really being onerous and invasive coming from the government, he will probably have to go down to 25 employees if it continues on that path. i think that's what we'll are concerned about. >> i think no doubt people are concerned about jobs and the economy, but gay marriage is a big issue. you were military. don't ask, don't tell -- >> it's no longer as big as the gas prices. the gas prices, when president obama came into office, was $1.84. >> agreed. >> on average now they're over $3.90. >> people are very concerned about gas prices, absolutely. >> economic security, energy security and national security. so i think the best thing that you could do to help me and help
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out america, let's stay focused on the things that are critical for the american people right now. >> okay. >> and not try to create some type of situation you try to take me down to a rabbit hole. >> no, no, i'm not trying to do that. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you are. >> i'm talking about millions of gay americans -- i'm just laying out the facts here. i'll move on. >> millions of gay americans should be concerned about -- >> they are concerned about gay marriage. >> they are be concerned about the four years of trillion-dollar deficits we have had in the federal government. millions of americans should be concerned about the fact that if we don't do something about the federal government, 62% is mandatory spending. if we don't reform social security, medicare, medicaid and reduce the debt because the net interest of the debt is soon going to be close to $1 trillion. that's what we should be focused on, kyra. >> congressman, let me ask you about trayvon martin. >> tragedy. >> what do you think -- tragedy. stand your ground law. should it go? >> well, first of all, once again, that's a states issue. stand your ground law has
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nothing to do with this. what i am upset about is that a young man lost his life. and there's no doubt about the fact that mr. zimmerman should not be walking around still with a concealed weapons license when as a regular citizen, he shot an unarmed -- another citizen. now, when people try to use this tragedy as a means by which they propel a certain ideological agenda, then i get upset with that. there have been a lot of irrational voices to include members of congress, some of my colleagues that are starting to get us away from what really happened here. now, as far as the stand your ground law, i know one of the local representatives down here in south florida has a task force to look at that. but that's a states issue, and i'm not going to make a comment about that. but it has no relevance in this case. >> final thought. it has become a national -- international issue, trayvon martin and what has happened. you have called yourself the modern-day harriet tubman. it's triggered tremendous conversation about race in this
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country. what do you think -- >> and that's -- >> what do you think should happen, kochk resman in. >> i think that's why we've had irrational voices. >> what do you think should happen? >> well, i said already in two statements that i put out that looking upon some of the mishandling early on of this case that the sheriff up there should have been relieved of his duties, that i think that mr. zimmerman should have been held in custody until a good, complete, full investigation has been done. i think that now we have the right type of enforcement agencies and also the right type of attention from the state, local level and also the federal level to make this a good investigation. but also, let's be very honest. we don't need organizations like the new black panther party going out there putting bounties, million-dollar bounties, on the head of an american citizen. we also don't need starlets that are out there twittering out people's addresses trying to create a situation of intimidation. so what i want to see happen is rational voices come to the front. and i think that's what you heard in statements that i put
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out. >> congressman allen west, sure appreciate your time today. >> it's a pleasure. thank you. >> likewise. still ahead, the national debate over what trayvon martin's killer said on that 911 call. the newest analysis next. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female announcer ] ensure muscle health has revigor
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besides the stand your ground law, the national outcry and the controversy surrounding the death, the 911 tapes are another hot-button issue. many say george zimmerman used a racial slur in that call. cnn ran the clip past his lawyers and an audio expert, and they all disagree. martin savidge explains. >> reporter: i specifically asked george zimmerman's attorneys about the issue of the racial slur because it is so inflammatory in this story. they say it never happened. they said they specifically have asked george zimmerman what did you say on that 911 call? and he's told them that he said "those f'ing punks." then i turned to another independent source, tom owen of
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owen forensic services. he is a man who specializes in enhancing audio and analyzing audio. and what he did was, as he began to study that particular part of the 911 call, he realized there was some interference. at the very moment george zimmerman utters the words people say he said, that interference is either something electronic or that he bumped the phone. and it distorted or changed the words that are heard on the recording, which is why people may hear a racial slur, but after tom took out that interference, well, listen to what the recording sounds like now. >> these [ bleep ] punks. these [ bleep ] punks. these [ bleep ] punks. >> reporter: according to tom owen, he says, "those f'ing punks." so what it means you've got the attorneys for george zimmerman and at least one audio expert who says it was not a racial slur. in sanford, florida, i'm martin
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savidge. >> cnn also enhanced that 911 call. several members of our editorial staff repeatedly listened to the audio but could not confirm whether or not zimmerman used a racial slur. abolishing the death penalty. connecticut debating that right now. i'll ask the state's governor about it next. ♪ [ male announcer ] you're at the age where you don't get thrown by curveballs. ♪ this is the age of knowing how to get things done. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help
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abolishing the death penalty. right now that debate is playing out in connecticut. already these are the states that have abolished it. and if passed, connecticut would be the 17th state to get rid of it. now, keep this in mind. this is also the state traumatized by the gruesome murders of the petit family. and because of those brutal killings, these two are two of the convicts on death row right now in connecticut. and the details of what they did are chilling. dr. william petit, beaten and tied up. his wife, raped and strangled. his youngest daughter molested,
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both tied to their beds. all left to die as their house burned down around them. dr. petit, the sole survivor. there's a lot of people that think those two murderers should die for what they did. and therein lies the complicated debate over the death penalty. connecticut's senate voted to repeal the death penalty just yesterday. the house is expected to pass it. and governor malloy joins me now, and he vows he'll sign the measure into law. governor, thank you so much for being with me. let's go ahead and start with why repeal the death penalty? >> well, you know, there are any number of reasons, not the least of which is research that demonstrates that many people have been put to death improperly in the united states. and that there are a distinct racial biases in the use of and actual executions. so there are many reasons. listen, the catholic church is against it. the episcopal church is against it. a majority of the major religions represented in the
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nation are against it as a matter of their public policy and on moral grounds. i'm a former prosecutor. i tried four homicides as a prosecutor and one as a defense attorney. i began my life as a lawyer, believing that the death penalty was appropriate. but when you study this issue and you understand how many people have had ineffective counsel and the racial bias and how many people have been wrongly put to death, then you actually have to come to the conclusion that this tool, although it may make some people feel better, really doesn't lower crime, is not in any measurable way a tool to lower the number of homicides, and then you understand that the united states is really in a very small group of -- actually, almost no other industrialized nation carries out executions any longer. so we join iraq and iran and other nations that still have it. you know, this is an interesting
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piece of history. >> governor, let me ask you something. >> let me just say this. wisconsin did away with this in 1853. maine did away with it in 1876. this is a not a new concept. >> let me just bring it back to your constituents. i see you've made all your points about those who are against it including yourself. but if you look at the recent quinnipiac poll, 60% of connecticut residents think that abolishing the death penalty is a bad -- excuse me, 62%, forgive me, governor, 62% of connecticut residents think that abolishing the death penalty is a bad idea. it looks like most residents don't agree with you, your constituents. >> listen, i ran for governor, and everybody knew my position. and what we said was if a repeal came that was prospective in nature, i would sign it. listen, i almost lost the election, taking positions like that. but i didn't lose the election. now it's a matter for the legislature to decide. the senate and the house. the senate has already decided that they want to repeal this.
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in fact, both the house and the senate vote in 2009 to repeal it, and my predecessor didn't, actually vetoed that legislation. but, i mean, this is a much bigger issue than simple politics. so let me take on that poll for a second. what they didn't ask if that poll is give people an option for life imprisonment without the possibility of parole or release. so when you give the option to the citizens of connecticut, the support for the death penalty falls below 50%. >> okay. all right. two questions. i'm going to try and get them both in there, governor. back to the petit family because we brought that up obviously at the beginning of this interview. you know, what do you think, then, should happen to killers like that? specifically those two? >> well, listen. let's be very specific. under this statute as passed by the senate, people would be sentenced to life imprisonment with the same conditions as if
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they were on death row. meaning that they actually are in a cell for 22 out of every 24 hours. that's what we would do. that's what the other 16 states do. this is not a question of whether you punish someone. in fact, let's be very specific. the only person put to death in connecticut since 1960 is someone who volunteered for it who was so miserable in the conditions that he was being held in that he dropped all of his appeals. we have not put a person to death in connecticut since 1960. we have several people who are on death row for more than 20 years. and there's no date set. we don't have a workable death penalty statute, nor are we going to have one. and it looks like we're going to repeal the statute that we have. >> so let me ask you, so the proposed repeal, it would not apply to these two killers in the petit case or the others already sentenced to death. so couldn't getting rid of the death penalty actually open up the door during their appeals
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process, getting their sentences reduced to a life sentence, and doesn't that cost lots and lots of money? >> well, i'm not sure you heard what i said. we have people on death row who have been on longer than 20 years. the reality is, we don't have a workable death penalty in the state of connecticut. no one's going to be put to death under that statute as it currently exists. in the foreseeable future. you're more likely to die of old age in connecticut on death row than anything else. >> got it. how much does it cost to put someone to death? >> well, we're calculating that by doing away with the death penalty, we'll actually save about $850,000 over the lifetime of that individual during their incarceration because it's cheaper to incarcerate that person than it is to pay for appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal. we're talking about 20 years of appeals. >> okay. how much does it cost to put someone to death? >> the specific act of putting someone to death? >> yes. >> is relatively inexpensive.
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i mean, that's relatively inexpensive. but that's not -- that's really not the measurement. as i said to you, we have people who have been on death row for over 20 years. and they are still pursuing appeals. it doesn't end in connecticut. and that's why i think some people support doing this. but i think it really is unethical on moral grounds whether the government should, as a matter of practice, be putting people to death. and i think connecticut probably will join 16 states that have made a decision that that's not appropriate. one of those states recently was illinois which did an exhaustive study of how death row cases had been handled. and actually concluded that more people were underrepresented, ineffectively represented, and potentially put to death by mistake than any other group. >> final thought, governor. what would you say to the petit family? >> i've said it time and time and time again. i've extended our condolences. we certainly understand how horrific this particular crime was. and i hope that they get the
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closure that they ultimately need. but i think the legislature will move forward and join 16 other states and the rest of the industrialized world as ruling that the death penalty should not be carried out in connecticut any longer. and by the way, it hasn't been except on a voluntary basis since 1960. >> governor dannel malloy, appreciate your time this morning. more from the "cnn newsroom" straight ahead. so, ah, your seat good? got the mirrors all adjusted?
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swimming for gold wasn't the only obstacle this olympic swimmer faced. she also battled an eating disorder. amanda beard explains her destructive behavior in the new book "in the water they can't see you cry." her story is today's "human factor" with dr. sanjay gupta. >> reporter: this little girl always dreamed big. >> i was 10 years old watching the '92 olympics. and right then and there decided, that's what i wanted to do. >> reporter: only four years later, swimmer amanda beard's dream did come true. the 90-pound 14-year-old walk add way from the '96 atlanta olympics with a gold and two silver medals. >> after that, i had a huge growth spurt. i grew to about 5'8", and then i weighed about 130. >> reporter: her growing body sparked her struggle with a negative body image.
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>> all of a sudden, i wasn't swimming very well. and i blamed that all on because i got bigger. >> reporter: uncomfortable in her new body, she turned to bulimia, sometimes throwing up a couple times a day. >> it totally was based on how i was feeling emotionally and how i felt, you know, in my own skin. >> reporter: she began abusing drugs and alcohol. she struggled with depression. but despite her inner demons, she continued to succeed in swimming. her emotional low triggered a dangerous new habit. >> i felt this kind of -- this, like, rage almost, take over me like just running through my veins. and i just grabbed my hand and started digging my thumbnail into myself. >> reporter: she'd hide in the bathroom using eyebrow razors to slice small scratches on her arms or ankles. >> it was like this relaxing, like, outlet for me. >> reporter: it wasn't until her boyfriend, sasha brown, discovered beard's destructive
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behavior that she began to seek help to overcome it. now at 30, four-time olympian beard and photographer brown are happily married. they're proud parents of 3-year-old blaze. >> i went through all of these things. and here i am, happy, healthy with a great family and continuing on, trying to make my fifth olympics. >> reporter: dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. straight ahead, a golf fanatic all zest to go to the masters. four tickets in hand. then enters his dog. make sure you digest your breakfast. next. [ female announcer ] if whole grain isn't the first ingredient in your breakfast cereal, what is? now, in every box of general mills big g cereal, there's more whole grain than any other ingredient. that's why it's listed first. get more whole grain than any other ingredient... just look for the white check.
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and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge! okay. as a journalist, i'm no math major, but even i know that rick santorum may be grchi igrasping straws here. santorum's creative way of counting actually makes this a closer race than everyone thinks. he's counting florida and arizona in his win column. mitt romney won both states. but santorum thinks that they could change their minds and just give him all the delegates instead. democratic strategist tara and republican strategist sherry b jacobis. i'd like to get your take on santorum's new math. tara, let's start with you. >> well, santorum's new math is definitely quite interesting. the good news for president
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obama is that as long as this primary continues, he benefits from this protracted and very divisive primary that's going on. and this is also still bad news for mitt romney because it continues to reinforce him as a very weak front-runner. he cannot get newt gingrich to bow out, even though newt gingrich is clearly never going to win this primary. and he cannot get rick santorum to bow out. and as long as rick santorum stays out there criticizing romney, that's not helpful to mitt romney. >> sherry? >> well, i'm only going to agree with part of that. i do think it's clear that rick santorum is not going to be the nominee. and he's being a little bit creative with the math. i think, though, that this protracted primary in a way is helping mitt romney because it's making him a stronger candidate. you know, here he is getting hit from all sides from his primary opponents. yet in some polls he's only a couple points behind the president nationally. so the real problem for the democrats is when this really is a head-to-head between obama and romney and those numbers start changing. and they start focusing on the president.
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so i don't think it weakens now. i personally think it's time for rick santorum and newt gingrich to bow out and do so as gracefully as possible so that they can have -- there's real benefit to their endorsement. so the fact that santorum is taking a few days off and he's behind closed doors talking to talking to conservatives, i think what he's trying to do is figuring out the best way out where he can be helpful rather than a detriment. >> that was my next question, the fact that he met with the conservatives, we don't know exactly what was said, but tara, what should have been said? the two of you might have inside scoops, so sherry i'll get back to you on that. what do you think, tara? >> well, rick santorum is still trying to figure out how he can stay in the race. i do believe though that it's really a long shot, it's a very uphill battle for rick santorum and -- but the fact of the matter that conservatives still have not put very much pressure on rick santorum to step out of the race, to bow out, that there's still a group of people that are behind him. pushing him, trying to figure
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out a way forward. again, that is not very helpful to mitt romney because it shows just how odious it is to line up behind mitt romney and they have asked newt gingrich to step aside. but that's not the case for rick santorum. >> all right. let me ask you both, i had a chance to interview congressman allen west and sarah palin said go rogue, pick him as the vp. also, nikki haley weighing in, south carolina governor. he told me he wouldn't say no. what do you think about that, tara? >> well, of course, he wouldn't say no. i think that allen west would be a disaster for mitt romney. he's a loose cannon. allen west says -- he basically shoots from the lip most of the time and he's very polarizing and divisive. he said many things and part of the goal is people thinking he will help mitt romney with the african-american community. that is not going to happen. many african-americans find the way he talks about our support
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of the democratic party to be very condescending as if we can't think for ourselves and that's what i we support the democratic party and that's a very condescending thing and does not sit well with the african-american community. >> sherry, give me your thoughts. >> allen west is one of the most impressive politicians i ever met. i think he'd be better later on down the road. the discussion of the various people shows what a strong bench we have in the republican party and i think the democrats are frightened of that and i think they're frightened of allen west given what we just heard. he's impressive whether you're an african american or if you're white. if you're republican or democrat, he's a very impressive man. >> all right, lady, do you play golf? >> no. >> tara? >> no. >> all right. it's okay. >> i wish i did. >> you don't have to. you'll see why, i'm going to have you stick around. we're talking augusta next. meanwhile, by now you have known or you know the name, you know her, you know this video.
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you know at least the so-called claim to fame. keep in mind, she's the one who reportedly approached "the new york post" and told them she is one of the three mega millions' jackpot winners and the mcdonald's worker was responsible for the employee pool too. but she says the winning ticket is actually just hers. so then, wilson calls a big press conference, only to have her attorney tell us this. >> i cannot say with any certainty that this ticket exists. i think the easiest way to be over with all this really is for you all to go home. >> okay, wait a minute. let me get this straight. you called a press conference for your lawyer to tell us that he doesn't even know if you have a winning ticket and this we should all go home. and here's the kicker. wilson now says that she has lost -- yes, lost her massive mega millions lotto ticket. take a listen. >> i don't think she wants to seek 15 minutes of fame.
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all right. such a cliche excuse, my dog ate my homework, but this one, this is new. exact four tickets to the masters golf tournament? here's the proof. or at least what's left of it. apparently, russ berkman's dog ciara has the munchies and has quite a taste for golf tickets. berkman says when he realized what had happened he couldn't tell his buddy, so instead he
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gave ciara hydrogen peroxide and well, you're looking at what she coughed up. a whole lot of, yeah, phone calls later, augusta ticket office reprinted the tickets for berkman and yes, he and his buddies got to go to the masters. as for ciara, he's feeling fine, but guilty right now. that's all you need to get into the master, a ticket, but not so easy if you're a woman and you want to get in as a member. that's been a hot topic this week. so much so that it's hit the campaign trail. even the president is talking about it. >> well, the president's answer to this question is yes. he believes -- his personal opinion is that women should be admitted. i happen to have a discussion with him about that. so i know that's his answer. >> if i were a member and if i could run augusta which isn't likely to happen, but of course i'd have women in augusta. >> let's bring back tara and sherry. does anyone have more to win or
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lose on this issue? sherry? >> you know, since neither one of them can really do anything about it it's kind of a moot point, but i think it's more organic for mitt romney to give this response since he headed up the olympics and made our country proud and it was about the most fun he ever had. he has a real history working with women in sports. i think the president has a problem because he's known to have kind of a boy's club there in the white house and there was a kerfuffle that he was playing golf with the big guys. >> tara, what do you think? enough pressure from the president of the united states and from mitt romney? should this be a political is e issue, why are they bringing it up? >> i hope that's a change in augusta golf club. how this issue came up is very interesting because the new ceo of ibm is a woman. and ibm is a huge sponsor of the
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club and all the men ceos prior to her were admitted into the club and it was a standard understood thing if you're the ceo of ibm you automatically become a member. now the new ceo is a woman. while this is not a political issue per se i think it's the right thing for the candidates to talk about it because a lot of women find this to be problematic. and so they want to know the leadership, president obama stands with women. i think it's very clear contrary to what sherry said, i think it's clear that the president does stand with women on a number of issues and a number of appointments of women he made speaks for itself. >> he won't play golf with them. he only plays golf with men. >> you have to get if your jab about that. >> i'd like to see obama and mitt romney playing golf together. all right, real quickly before i let you go, do you think it was ann romney breathing down his back saying you better say something, mitt, or do you think
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it was michelle obama saying, you better step up to the plate. >> romney has a record, in the sports because of the olympics and what he did. i don't think he had to think about it too hard. it's fine they're talking about it. they both gave the right answer. i think romney has more credibility. like i said, his is more organic because he has a history of working with sports and the olympics. you know, the president does have a little bit of a problem. other than i don't think it matters that much in the presidential election. whether we want it to or not. >> thanks so much, guys. got to leave it there. thanks for watching. "cnn newsroom" with suzanne malveaux starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com live from cnn headquarters in atlanta, 12:00 noon, i want to get you up to speed for this friday, april 6. after several months of solid growth, job market is now slowing down. 120,000 new jobs were created in
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march. that is well below the 200,000 that were expected. unemployment rate dipped slightly to 8.2%. almost 13 million americans are out of work. president obama is touting his record on women's economic security. he delivered a speech a short time ago at the white house, forum on women. comes at a key time. he says his commitment to helping improve the women and girls is a personal up with. >> thank you. there's been a lot of talk about women and women's issues lately as there should be. but i do think that the conversation has been oversimplified. women are not some monolithic block. women are not an interest group. you shouldn't be treated that way. new audiotape revealing disturbing new details about new orleans saints cash for hits bown did program. a former defensive coordinator
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greg williams is at the center of the controversy. he has been suspended indefinitely for allegedly encouraging the players to hurt other players for extra cash. listen to what williams reportedly told players about how to handle 49ers wide receiver kyle williams during a playoff game in january. >> we need to find out in the first two series of the game what wide receiver number 10 -- right now. you need to decide. you need to [ bleep ] decide. >> we'll talk more about the bown d boun bounty scandal ahead. keith olbermann wants current tv to pay up. they fired him last week. the breakup, it not pretty. current tv bosses say he didn't show up for work and bad-mouthed the executives. olbermann is suing, saying current tv owes him between $50 million and $70 million. the network is partly owned by al gore.
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around the world, christians are marking good friday, the day they believe that jesus was crucified. in the philippines, thousands gathered in villages to watch devotees being nailed to crosses. in jerusalem, people led the procession down the path where jesus said to have carried the cross. the jewish celebration marks the exodus of the ancient israelites from slavery in egypt. jews empty their houses of leaven bread and burn it in bonfires. we're digging deeper into the latest job numbers. the unemployment rate is now the lowest it's been in more than three years, but hiring has been falling sharply from previous months. we have got 120,000 jobs created in march. president obama highlighted the recent job strength in the market. he said there are still some challenges ahead. >> our economy has now created more than 4 million private
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sector jobs over the past two years. and more than 600,000 in the past three months alone. but it's clear to every american that there will still be ups and downs along the way, and this we've got a lot more work to do. >> all right. let's bring in christine romans from new york. the numbers today, some people look at them quite disappointing, not what we expected here. what does it say about the overall job market? >> well, you know, it's interesting when you have a drop in the unemployment rate to 8.2% that should be a good thing, right? 8.2% unemployment rate, but it's not -- it's not as good as they'd like it. it is definitely much slower than we have seen over the past few months. 246,000 jobs created over the past few months, and that's -- this 120 is much, much lower than that. i want to zero in on the private sector. let me see if i can make this bigger. the private sector 121,000 jobs created in the private sector for the month.
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only a thousand public sector jobs lost. what's interesting about that, we had seen so many government jobs lost, this is slowing and it's the private sector that's picking up the slack. when you look within the numbers to see what kind of sectors are growing, you've got one that stands out for not growing and that's retail jobs. we lost 34,000 of those, suzanne, in the month of march and that was a little bit of a surprise to people. the only part of retail where you saw jobs created was like home and garden stores because it's been such nice weather. other than that, you're showing a retail -- retail picture that's not really as strong as you'd like. also, manufacturing. this is a sign of strength. this continues, 37,000 manufacturing jobs added. >> christine, we know of course the jobs report can turn political. we already know that the republicans are using it against the president. overall, does it help or hurt president obama when you look at the economic picture? >> it's a really good question.
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for the month, economists say it hurts the president. we have seven more jobs reports until the election so don't make too much out of just one month. when you look at the trend, this is the last months of the bush administration when the financial crisis was really heating up. the first months of the obama administration, these are hundreds of thousands of jobs lost. i bring this to you every month when we have the jobs report, but it's a really instructive piece of history. then this is where the economy has tried to find its footing with some set backs. these are those -- you know, the white house likes to say the 25 consecutive months of private job creation and that's true, but it's this slowing right here that has some concerned. we have to see if it bears out for the rest of the summer. others would like to see 200,000 jobs added, 120 is what we got. the jobless rate dropping to 8.2%, that's because people left the work force. so you know better than anyone else, suzanne, that both sides will look at this number and
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find the little -- the little slice of data that's going to advance their particular talking points and we're definitely seeing that. >> all right, we already have. thank you. >> have a good weekend. here's some of the stories that we are covering. tornadoes are frightening enough, right from the ground, but wait till you see them from inside. we have cool 3-d tornado views that nasa cooked up to show you how scary these things can be. later a recording comes out that seems to be a pro football coach telling his team to really hurt their opponents. a former atlanta falcon is going to be here to tell us if this is unusual. then this guy was striking them out in the pros when reagan was president. baseball's oldest starting pitcher making sports history.
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a deadly countdown to a cease-fire in syria. government troops and tanks are battling rebel forces in cities across the country. people are on the run, a record number of them trying to find safety in turkey. our ivan watson is there. he joins us from istanbul. there's a lot of tension i know. there must be growing concern whether or not the syria president is going to honor this peace agreement. any signs that's going to happen? >> reporter: well, a lot of observers as this agreement was reached were very pessimistic and predicted that this would be an opportunity for the syrian regime to kill as many people as possible before this tuesday deadline when the syrian government has agreed to
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withdraw its military forces and judging by the accounts we're getting from inside the country, that's what appears to be taking place. there are videos and eyewitness accounts of ongoing shelling of a number of different cities and towns across the country. helicopters being used to rocket syrian cities and towns and one town in particular that i visited last month, suzanne, the northern town, it was controlled by opposition activists and fighters, that has been the scene of days and nights of bombardment and i have to warn viewers about this upcoming video. yesterday, the syrian military stopped fighting and let volunteers go in to dig up bodies and they dug up dozens of people killed in that artillery bombardment. a mass grave with dozens of dead men laid out there on thursday. some of them wearing military uniforms. the point being though that the
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military offensive has not abated. it is pushing a fresh wave of refugees to the border here with turkey. >> ivan, how can the international community respond or help? is this simply a waiting game while people are being killed there? >> reporter: well, many different forces, some calling for much more action. some countries like saudi arabia and qatar and even turkey talking about sending money and sending arrange -- armaments. and the u.s. government according to my sources has not been interested in taking the steps. today, turkey after getting a record number of more than 2,700 refugees in a 24-hour period streaming across the border to escape their own government, it has for the first time called for the united nations to take a more active role in dealing with the growing refugee crisis. there are now more than 23,000 syrian refugees in turkey that
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have fled and the turks so far have not wanted any international assistance with that. calling on the u.n. to help, may be a sign some observers say that turkey may be preparing the way for a possible buffer zone arguing that to protect itself if more refugees come at this kind of level, the turks may have to then intervene. send troops in to syria to house those refugees along the buffer zone. those are the type of scenarios people are talking about now. >> thank you, ivan. well, the twitter war has beg begun. can a tweet sway an election? i'm going to ask the political panel. [ female announcer ] this is the story of joycelin...
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today's jobs report wasn't all the white house was hoping for, but the economy is still showing signs of some improvement. so can the republican score points by slamming the president's economic policies? here to talk about it democratic strat jist maria cordona and matt lewis. the weekend is around the corner. we're not quite out of the hole yet. unemployment is down what, 8.2%. even mitt romney admitted the economy is improving, but a lot of the strategy in the gop rests with hitting the president on the economy. so how -- how does that work? is that even going to be a powerful campaign message? >> definitely not as powerful as i think they had hoped it would be, suzanne. and look, the president is the first one to say and he said it
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this morning, that we are not where we need to be. that he wants a jobs report that is much stronger. he wants to be able to report that more jobs are being created. but there's no question that we are on the right path. he has created more than 1.3 millions since he took office. and so you're right, the economy is going in the right direction. and it's not going to be the slam dunk tool that republicans had hoped. and they have to be very careful how they tread on this because it's going to be very dangerous territory for them if they're seen by the american people as trying to talk down the economy when we are seeing signs of it being improved. >> matt, how does the gop counter that? >> well, look, i think a couple things. one, this jobs report was actually -- did not meet expectations. and we had president obama's own economist saying at this point we'd have 5.8% unemployment rate, instead there's an 8% unemployment rate. the longest consecutive time we
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have been above 8% since the great depression. gas prices are high. so a lot of people are still hurting. i think it would equally be a mistake for president obama to underestimate or discount how many people out there are still struggling. >> let's talk real quick about the twitter war that's happening between these two, between president obama and romney. here are some of the tweets that we're seeing. it says so what is romney hiding? mitt romney's demand to release the tax returns, what mitt romney is hiding. and then also you have the romney campaign swinging back saying yike, it just cost me $4.09 a gallon to fill up in boston. obama isn't working. whoa. i mean, the last go round we saw the e-mails were flying and now it's the tweets. is this -- do you think this gets deep enough? does this actually convince people or are these little head lines that people throwing out there? >> i think it's one thing in the arsenal of tools that campaigns are using today, suzanne and everybody knows the way to win
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campaigns is to focus on what we call microtarget your message. clearly, one tweet and just focusing on twitter is in no way shape or form going to win an election, swing an election, but it's a tool to get to especially those younger folk, the tech savvy folks. a lot of latinos and younger women are on twitter and even the seniors are picking up the social media trend. we are not close to twitter being the one and only campaign tool that can swing an election. but again, a way to get your message out. >> and it's also an interesting thing. i mean, i see not only presidential candidates but there are strategists using it. you can taunt people and i would say even stalk people on twitter in a way that you can't do in other media. it's almost -- you're like a wimp if you don't respond back. if someone puts out a press release demanding you apologize, you can ignore that, but a tweet
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if you don't respond, you know, you're kind of a wimp. >> well, but also it depends on who's tweeting you. because if that person has two followers you're not going to care. but if they have 40,000, then you respond. >> yeah. we're looking at how many followers he has. there was some sad news from the campaign trail. rick santorum's daughter has been hospitalized again. they put out a statement saying that rick and his wife karen have taken their daughter bella to the hospital. the family requests prayers and privacy as she works her way to recovery. we know that there was a time that santorum could not campaign because he was attending to his family. there are calls for him to step down. do you think -- do you think that we're going to see something like that happen because he has so much to deal with now? >> well, i mean, i think that number one, i think, you know, senator santorum is taking this weekend off. he was already planning to do it. i think to celebrate easter at home. i think that now you actually might see the calls for him to step down will cease.
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i think it would be unseemly at this time. but look, even people who don't like his politics know that rick santorum is a devout catholic and, you know, deeply committed to his family. and i just think, you know, our thoughts and prayers should be with him. and this should be a time, let him make that decision. >> yeah, i agree 100%, suzanne. i think everybody in the political world and anybody who knows rick santorum has heard of what he's going through with his family have nothing but prayers and thoughts in terms of that their family is going through right now. i do think it would be unseemly for anybody to second guess what he's going to do. that's a decision only he and his family can make right now. all our prayers and thoughts are with him. >> thank you very much. obviously we're wishing their family very well. maria, matt, thanks again. have a great weekend. unemployment rate is down, but so is the number of new jobs so we'll bring in an economist to help make sense of the latest jobs report. your options are going to be limited. ♪
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here's a rundown of some of
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the stories we're covering. this is without a doubt the coolest tornado model you will see all day. nasa gets all 3-d on us. and later, nfl players accused of injuring players on purpose. now there's an audiotape of a coach telling the players to do that. and i just returned from east africa with an unforgettable story of forgiveness and compassion. this on the commemoration of rwanda's genocide. mixed bag, the numbers show the his economy still has some is challenges on the road to recovery. danny boston is from georgia tech. >> great to be back. >> it's been a little while, i think. >> yeah. your trip to rwanda must have been great. >> it was a fantastic trip. really had a good time, learned a lot there as well. >> i'll be interested to hear your reporting on it. >> it's coming up. tell us about the jobs market,
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how did we do? >> it's really mixed. it's mixed. it takes some sorting out. the unemployment rate went down from 8.3 to 8.2, but we only gained half as many jobs as we have gained over the last three months. >> why did that happen? >> well, you know, it's hard to know until we have a chance to really look at it. could be a number of things. for example, it could be the fact that the increase in oil prices are now working their way through the economy because when we look at the employment numbers, particularly down in retail. so that could be one thing. i also think when i look at the numbers, there's some areas that don't all add up. so i think in months to come there will be some statistical adjustments. and the other thing it could be a trend. we could be leveling off some because investment has been down and housing starts have been down and so it could be a trend. so we won't know for another month or two. >> okay. still some questions there. what about the industries, how did it actually sort itself out? which ones did well, which ones
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not so much? >> manufacturing did well. i think they gained 37,000 jobs. leisure and hospitality, 39,000 jobs. construction not so well. they were down about 7,000 jobs, but the most encouraging is manufacturing because that's really one of the drivers of the economy. and we see that also reflected in for example auto sales and so that's an encouraging trend. >> tell us about, was there any difference in terms of racial breakdown, or gender? >> yeah, there was not much change except among latinos. now, for example, white unemployment remained the same at 7.3%. unemployment among african-americans went down slightly from 14.1% to 14%. and -- but unemployment among latinos went down from 17 -- 10.7% to 10.3%. so there was a significant gain there.
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and when you look at the gains across gender, there was not much of a change there. so the -- the employment gains were not all that significant. there were some troubling things going on in terms of trying to reconcile the numbers and that's because we had a significant decrease in the size of the labor force. 164,000. >> so if those people weren't even looking for work, they dropped out of the labor force altogether? >> just disappeared. when we look at the discouraged workers where the comment that you just made, where we ought to see those workers being picked up, the discouraged workers' numbers decreased by 141,000. so there's something that needs to be reconciled if we have a smaller labor force, we ought to have a larger number of discouraged workers. and we did not. we had a smaller number of discouraged worker, we had more employed workers. we had fewer unemployed. so there's some signs that indicate that the economy -- the
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job gains should have been much stronger than they were. and we'll have to see next month. >> okay. well, we'll have you next month. we'll have you before next month. >> sounds good. all right. >> have a great weekend. >> congratulations on your half marathon. >> thank you. you're just full of stories today. >> that's right. i'm inspired. >> it was not pretty, let me tell you. >> is that right? you did it. >> thank you, danny. >> sure. well, on to another story, a much more serious one. he murdered her brother, cutting him down with machete, but this rwandan woman found it within herself to forgive, even live in the same village as her killer. all for the good of the country. my trip to rwanda, 18 years after the genocide. joining me this hour, a financial planner and president of objective advice.com. and we have the president of the wealth management. thank you for coming in. carmen, your question comes from kay in hawaii.
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i've got over $19,000 in debt. my bank is offering me a mortgage debt consolidation loan. should i take the offer and pay off the credit cards? >> two questions for her, first of all, what's the interest rate on this offer that they have. what can you refinance into, could it be something as low as 4.5% and how much equity do you have in your home? turning credit card debt into secured debt which is into your home can be dangerous if you don't have a lot of equity in your home. so you want to make sure that you have a lot of equity and room -- wiggle room at least more than 20% before you tie any credit card debt into it. make sure you pay this off. that's other trouble is. she's turning one thing into another. >> doesn't go away. >> is she going to pay it off? don't get into debt again. >> exactly. all right, great answer. gary, your question comes from emilio in california. i plan to contribute $17,000 to my 401(k). my wife is a stay at home mom. can i contribute $17,000 to her 401(k) as well? >> unfortunately, if she's not working she can't contribute to a 401(k).
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but there are other opportunities. it's great that you want to contribute as much as possible. they might be able to contribute to a deductible ira if their income is sufficiently low. otherwise, look at a roth ira which is a way to save for the future. well, while it's not deductible it grows tax flree for the rest of your life. it's great for people below age 100. you have decades of tax free growth and alternatively, you can make a nondeductible ira contribution. if the person has debt, that's where it should be going. particularly if it's credit card debt. but it's great you're focusing on savings. that's the way to go. >> thanks, guys. if you have any questions you want answered, send us an e-mail any time. this is $100,000.
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could you forgive someone who killed your entire family? could you live side by side with him? well, that's what many rwanda people are faced with today. to maintain peace, many are struggling to forgive those who participated in the 1994 slaughter. on my visit last week, i sat face to face with a killer who is seeking forgiveness. these two grew up together as children. they lived and played together in the same neighborhood. but 18 years ago, something horrible happened between them. frederick hunted down and killed lawrence's family. specifically what happened, what did you do?
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>> his group, they killed seven people. they killed them using the machetes. and got the body in pieces and cut off their heads. >> frederick is a hutu, a member of the ethnic group in rwanda that in 1994 killed more than 800,000 in just 100 days. lawrence is a tutsi, a member of the ethnic group that was targeted. during the genocide, ten of her family members were murdered including her parents and a brother. >> whenever she thought about her brother, she pray to god that she will meet him one day in heaven. >> reporter: how did this happen? neighbor turning against neighbor. frederick said he was brain washed by the government to hate the tutsis. >> when he was doing this, what was he -- what was he thinking, what was he feeling about this?
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>> he had no feelings at the moment. just the devil overcame him. >> he also killed women and children as well? >> yes. all of them. >> reporter: frederick served nine years in prison for the murders. after his release, he agreed to participate in a program to reconcile with his victims' families, starting with lawrence. >> approached them and told them he betrayed them and he told them that he's the one who killed their family. she thanked him. but she couldn't even talk to him. she felt like she was talking to the devil. >> reporter: we found frederick and lawrence living in a reconciliation village. it's a community of 53 homes that killers and their victims' families built together. the exercise is aimed at helping
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rwandans move beyond their tragic past, leave ethnic divisions behind and forgive. >> why should the family forgive him? >> he repent and an he realized what he did was bad. he asked god for forgiveness. he does not expect people's forgiveness. >> reporter: after three months of praying together and working to build their homes, lawrence says she did forgive. when you think about your brother and the way he was killed, do you think your brother would want you to forgive him? >> what she thinks it's not being able to forgive. but this is the power of god. >> reporter: is this really a lasting peace? is the hatred really gone? does he ever see the faces of the people that he killed? do they haunt him?
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>> the most difficult time is him thinking about the kids that he killed. and at the moment, they could be brilliant kids and they could be developing the country. >> would you ever kill again? >> i would not go back again to killing. he would rather die first. >> do you ever feel like seeking revenge? >> i have never thought about that because she saw how people died. with blood all over. those were -- with the machete. she never thought of killing somebody else. jim clancy joins me now. he was one of the reporters in rwanda for cnn after the genocide. even after they were killing people 18 years ago, i wanted to talk about a number of things. first of all, just being there and meeting young people. these are in the late teens,
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early 20s. one of the things that struck me was how they want to move beyond the painful period, but these are people who remembered their parents being killed. when you got on the ground there 18 years ago, what was it like? >> empty. empty and haunted. the stench of death. every latrine, every well, every cattle dipping station was jam-packed with rotting bodies. and you can't imagine what it was like to see all of that. and it's little doubt that people want to put it behind them that the government is taking great pains to show people just what this was. because you've got to remember the majority of people that are in rwanda today in one way or another took part in that genocide. that was the plan. the plan was to involve as many people as possible. the military didn't do the killing. even the militia that was organized by the leading political party, didn't do the killing. it forced the people to kill their neighbors and in that way
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everybody would be joined together in the crime. and then they sought impunity for that crime. >> jim, i talked to a number of young women and they remember those times around they were just, you know, almost babies. they were small, they were toddlers. young, young children. when you got on the ground you said something very interesting and you shared with me is the reaction of those children when you got there. >> you know, it so shattered people's lives to see their parents, their brothers, their sisters, slaughtered. i mean, slaughtered with machetes at check points. if they were able to run away, if they were able to get out on their own, search for other relatives, they wanted absolutely nothing to do with adults. absolutely nothing. didn't trust anybody. producers and i were on the road, we saw one of 5, one 2 1/2, holding hands and ingrid insisted, we have to stop the car, give them some food and water and a ride. those kids took off down a steep cliff rather than have any
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contact with us. because they had lost all trust in adults. >> these people are now adults. they are young adults themselves and they say to me the emphasis is we're all rwandans, we're not hutus or tutsis, we're all rwandans and the people i talked to said they forgive. does that ring true? does that seem like that is possible? >> you know, it's possible. but it's difficult. so difficult because i saw people when they were first brought together and a woman pointed her finger at a man and said, you were there, you were at that road block, you were killing, you killed my family. and he was saying no, no, i didn't do it. there was a lot of denial. the supreme court justice in rwanda worked very hard for the courts where they would bring people up if they had admitted
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they had done wrong, if they paid restitution things would calm down. there had to be this meeting of minds. this reconciliation. but it's still going on today. make no mistake. it's not easy. >> it's a very hard thing to do. one of the women i talked to said there was the grace that she was not able to remember the faces of those who killed her family. she was 7 years old and she's just thankful she doesn't know who the people are, because she doesn't know whether or not she could forgive. >> it was neighbors that did it. it was done for cows, it was done for land, it was done for houses. they were told they'd get all the belonging, so people got involved in it. one of the most horrific crimes in our lifetime. >> jim, thank you so much for putting this into perspective and into context. >> great to see the images that you captured. >> a lot of people who were there and they want to acknowledge that this happened and they want to heal and we saw a lot of that too.
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it was edited so we can't confirm the authenticity. he was filming the team as the saints were preparing for a playoff game with 49ers. gregg williams is at the center of the controversy. he has been suspended indefinitely for allegedly encouraging the players to hit other players for extra pay. i want you to listen what williams reportedly told players about how to handle 49ers wide receiv receiver kyle williams. >> we need to find out in the first two series of the game the wide receiver number 10 about his concussion. we need to [ bleep ] get a lick on him riejt now. we need to decide. >> here to talk about this, the revelation, reaction from players, former running back, jamal anderson. great to see you here. a pleasure to have you on. is this typical? >> that speech, absolutely not. a defensive coach trying to rile
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his defense up to be physical and attack an opposing team, to be as tough -- those are typical things, but to do the things that gregg williams is talking about in the speech, to directly fly to hurt a player, go after an acl or strike him in the head, you get caught up in the words. i have heard for a number of years and different coaches saying hit him in the mouth, hit him as hard as possible. but when you have a guy telling his players to directly go after his acl or you hit him in the head, i mean especially when you're warned the week before, here's the problem. he was warned the week before, the saints were warned to stop the bounty program from the nfl several times, but the week before this audio recording was made then gregg williams tills his guys to strike -- tells his guys to strike him in the head and go after the acl. coming after a player, everybody talks about kyle williams and they were trying to get him after coming back from a concussion, that's not unusual. this is football. offensive stars, we understand these are the types of guys on
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defense we're targets. every time we take the field. >> so you try to take him -- >> be as physical so you can remove a guy who can have a factor in the outcome of the game. >> not a diplomatic way of putting it. >> well, football is a physical game. you get to line up and hit another guy as hard as possible with pads on. the team who's in the best shape, who's the most physical, the tough materials that are teams that win. we talk about legendary football players but some of the dirty stuff to hurt other guys, i mean, these are guys we went to college together. i was talking about it earlier. my roommate at utah, i played against him for a number of years. tried to tear each other up. but to injure another guy it's not necessary and uncalled for and the reaction of the saints, they were warned and then this audio recording comes out. the timing of the recording is quite questionable. how the recording came out from
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the filmmaker and steve gleason's involvement is unfortunate. but the damage was done. now people can hear gregg williams say the type of things he did to the football team to get them riled up. it didn't work, they lost the football game. >> and i think it's a good thing. i mean, i think that, you know, shedding light on this is a good thing. i want to talk about the university of arkansas head coach football coach, bobby petrino here. >> petrino. >> i knew i'd make that mistake. obviously he's in some hot water. >> he is. >> the motorcycle accident, the former employee on the back there. >> bobby petrino got in an accident on monday, and did not disclose in the press conference on tuesday that there was a passenger on the back of the motorcycle. said passenger on the back of the motorcycle was hired a week ago to work for the arkansas athletic department. so now they found out there's a passenger on the back, bobby petrino reissues a statement
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saying he was involved in an inappropriate relationship with this employee who is just hired a week ago to work with the department. so it is a complete and total mess. and this suzanne, from the coach who in the middle of 2007, 13 games into the season walked out and took the job for the falcons. the fact of a guy -- a head coach of a football team not taking another position when the season is not even over, not even after the first year of his employment for another team, bobby petrino has been an interesting guy for a number of years. the reason why he continues to get jobs is because he wins a lot of football games. he has in fact made arkansas razorbacks one of the tougher teams in the s.e.c. 21-5 the past two season, but this is a big problem for them and this is bobby petrino again. he's not the most honest guy. his history speaks for itself. but he's been a heck of a football coach. so we'll see what happens. >> all right. jamal, thank you for educating me on all this.
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>> always a pleasure. >> this is not any area of expertise. have a good weekend. i want to go to barbara starr at the pentagon. she has broking news about a navy jet that's crashed near virginia beach, virginia. barbara? what can you tell us? >> reporter: hi, suzanne. we are getting word now that an f-18 jet with two crew members on board did go down in virginia beach. we are told by the u.s. navy the two member crew did eject safely. we are beginning to get initial pictures from the scene from our affiliate wavy. as you can see it shows some destruction on the ground and the apparent fire from the crash. the early word right now is that the two-member crew ejected from the f-18 but their condition on the ground not yet known or at least not yet being discussed by the u.s. navy. we are also told there's a grammar school in the area, but it's not in any danger from the
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crash. everyone there is fine. so we'll continue to monitor the situation an try and get a better understanding of what this damage is that we are seeing on the ground and the fire from this navy f-18 apparently crashing in virginia beach. the two-man crew ejecting at this point. >> barbara, can you tell us -- give us a sense of that area, what is actually there near that crash site? >> reporter: to the best of our initial indication, suzanne, it is a residential area. the plane actually flew from oceania naval air station not all that far away. that is a training squadron for the u.s. navy. so we believe at this point it was on a training mission, no indication of other aircraft involved. you know, as you see, a wooded area, lots of trees, lots of power lines. but we just don't know what caused this. you know, it has just happened within the last hour. we don't know what caused the plane to go down.
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we will be monitoring this because we are seeing in the populated area by all indications some damage on the ground. some fire from the crash. tragically, you know, these things do happen and pilots are very well trained if they begin to see they're having a mechanical problem or something to steer away from populated areas. pilots know how to do this, so we'll have to see what the situation is on the ground. whether there's any strucktitur involved or loss of life. >> barbara, do we know where the crew was taken? were they taken to the hospital or still at the scene? >> reporter: we don't know at this point. it is likely that rescue squads, very rapidly responded to this. and if they had significant injuries, they certainly would have been taken to the nearest trauma center that would have been equipped to deal with them. whether it is a military hospital or civilian.
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there's a lot of military medical care available down in virginia beach. the navy is there. the air force not too far away. the marine corps operates down there. but the military is very well experienced at responding to these situations. and getting their people to safety. i guess, suzanne, look, we went briefly to the virginia beach affiliate there which is covering this situation right now. everybody trying to determine what this emergency response is that we're seeing on the ground. trying to get better fidelity of what the damage is. whether the crew even had the chance to do that, to steer away from populated areas or did something happen so suddenly that they simply had time themselves to eject from their cockpit? all matters that military air crews are very highly trained in. suzanne? >> do we know just at what point they ejected from the aircraft?
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were they actually visible to people? how do we know that actually happened? >> reporter: well, that ejection has been confirmed to me by a u.s. navy spokesman in the area down in virginia beach. this is according to the initial reports that the u.s. navy is providing to the news media. i can tell you from past experience crews are very experienced in this. if they get a signal, if they get an indication that something is going wrong. loss of hydraulics. potentially some engine failure. fire in an engine. loss of able ability to control the plane. any of these kinds of things, they will try and steer away from a civilian area if i their an a training mission in the united states and they're well equipped to eject rapidly. if it's a two-man crew, they communicate to each other because they have to eject in a certain way so as they -- you know, it's basically a little
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rocket explosion in the seat under them that propels them into the air. they don't want to get damaged doing that so it's precise procedure. >> thank you for that. let's go to a local press conference that's taking place on the ground to get more information on this. >> we were -- >> we're hearing -- >> then just shut the audio off there. so we'll try to stay with this live picture until we can re-establish audio. but we're now able to confirm from oceania that this was in fact an fa-18 military fighter jet that crashed into this apartment building. cnn confirming that with the military, so we want to make sure we get that out there. two pilots on board ejected. according to tim riley with the virginia beach police -- or rather fire department. they ejected and were able to get out safely. looks like we re-established our contact. that's photojournalist ruben carringt carrington.
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>> are you not live? >> mike, we hear you. >> okay. well, apparently we -- go ahead and take back control of the reins here. of course it's breaking news and we're getting these images back live. >> i want to go on the phone to george pillkington. he's the owner of the cape henry racket club. can you hear us? >> yes, i can. >> tell us what you saw. >> actually i was on the way to the club and within two or 300 yards of where the plane crashed it came over over top of my truck, emptying out jet fuel with the nose up. and it just plowed into an apartment building. >> do you have any idea if anybody was in the apartment building? did you see anybody inside the apartment building or around that apartment building? >> well, i really have not, but it is a residential apartment complex. one building was completely levelled and when the plane crashed, the debris was flying into the other surrounding buildings and caused them to
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catch fire. so i hope not. but it was a fairly large apartment building. >> what did you see when that crash occurred, when it crashed into the apartment building? did you see people scatter? >> yeah. well, initially, you know, it shook the ground when it hit. initially everyone was running to the scene and it was a couple large explosions and then within seconds everyone was fleeing from the scene. but, you know, even the explosion afterwards, i'm not sure if it was gas lines or something on the plane or the fuel itself. but there was a couple large explosions after it crashed. >> how long was it that you actually saw this plane in the air before it crashed? what did it look like it was doing? >> within a couple seconds. it was coming from the direction of the actual base, and the area surrounding it is pretty heavily occupied. there's a small marsh area