tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN July 3, 2013 11:00pm-12:01am PDT
vital testimony in the zimmerman trial about whose testimony was where and the prosecution gets ready to call it's final witnesses, including possibly zimmerman's mother but we begin with breaking news. the muslim brotherhood said mohamed morsy is being held under house arrest right now after being forced out by the military today after one year in office. tonight the country is a powder keg, the situation extremely fluid. the images extraordinary. pro and anti-morsy. a travel warning was issued for americans. egypt media said security forces arrested the political party
leader and his department tip and say an operation is underway to arrest 300 members of the muslim brother hood and 800 killed and 300 injump in clashes across the country and the military cut off three pro-morsy television stations and raided the egyptian television channel and detained some staff. earlier morsy insisted he's the country's legitimate president and said he's open to negotiating and engaging in dialogue. the crisis in egypt, a big issue, obviously for president obama today, key members of the staff are seen entering the white house this afternoon as the crisis was unfolding. in a statement released an hour ago obama called for egypt's military to move quickly and return authority back to the democratically elected government through a process and avoid abtrarry arrests of
president morsy and i have also directed the relevant departments and agencies to review the itch cases under the u.s. law for our assistance. no one knows what happens next. joining us from cairo and first, bring in a spokesman for the muslim brotherhood who joins us by phone. at this point, do you know where president morsy, where former president morsy is now? >> the word former. he's under house arrest at the presidential guard head quarters. >> and there have to be reports as many as 300 muslim brotherhood members, that there are arrest warrants out for them. is that what you understand?
>> yes, we have reports from somewhat concerned sources, but we're concerned ahead of the justice party and head of the elected egyptian government and also, the presidential under arrest, as well. >> supporters of this action says this is the will of the egyptian people. to you what is this and what happens next? >> i'm afraid that's an excuse. at the end of the day, the egyptians decided to side track the democratic process align itself one with faction of the opposition and the top of the democratically elected president. we seen it on tv and seen new ropes and election. they have to adhere to the constitution. and brushing with protesters one focus is shut already where i am now. so what is a coup? >> what will happen as far as you're concerned?
>> the director of the world -- >> what will you do now? what does the muslim brotherhood do next? >> well, we do what we do best. we stay on the streets, and we stick to our principles and until the scene changes and if it doesn't, the reaction of what will happen. we're not violent but at the end of the day we want peaceful change of power, but the democracy gets railed every time that way, what other option is the people left with? people need to elect leaders. they need to choose the course of their country according to their will. and you have an opposition factor, then it's democracy? >> so as far as you see you plan to continue to have demonstrations in the street sns
you have -- you intend to have all your members out in the streets for as long as possible? >> for as long as reasonable. yeah, at the end of the day, we try to defense. this is not about the charter itself. we are ready for that and it had to be through the democratic representative of the people, not through self-appointed representatives or people that have never got into the mounting decision because of the mistake and the people. >> appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. go to our guests. ivan, you're been in tahrir square all tonight. what is the latest? >> anderson, this is the biggest party we've seen tahrir square when hosni mubarak was overturned. there are two narratives for what is happening. as you just heard, supporters of the muslim brotherhood saying this is a military coup and the people you talk to say no it was
mohamed morsy acting increasingly undemocratic and we needed the military's help to push him out of power and what is striking is seeing prominent liable voices like the peace prize winner and former international energy standing side by side with the top egyptian military general and defending the action, stripping morsy of his powers, calling it a correction of 2011 revolution. >> ben, you're been at a pro-morsy rally all day long. what happens next? for how long can those two rallies, these two various camps with large numbers of supporters in each one continue for? >> it's important to stress, anderson, the number of people at that pro-morsy is just a drop in the bucket come parped to the
-- compared to the tens of thousands coming into tahrir square. we passed through a mosque and i saw hundreds of men sleeping on the floor, and as i made my way around their sleeping bodies, i stopped by one man who was awake and i said how long are you going to stay here? he told me days, weeks, we may die here, but we are going to stay here until mohamed morsy is once again president of egypt.
and i think it's important to stress that even though the focus at the moment is on the celebrations, the fireworks, the joy, the excitement over what has happened in tahrir square, there is a significant portion of the egyptian population, i wouldn't suggest it's the majority, who are very upset at what has happened. you have to realize that, you know, if you speak to analysts, they will say there is a bedrock of 30% that always votes for the muslim brotherhood. when you alienate, when you disenfranchise 30% of the population or the elect et that comes with risks and we're seeing violence in alexandria, violence in upper egypt. so this isn't like the 2011 revolution when the supporters of hosni mubarak was quiet for months and months. there isn't going to be that quiet after the storm here in egypt this time around.
>> it's important -- i mean, it seems impossible to predict what happens in the next 24, 48, 7 two hours. >> that's right. as the colleagues said out there, the muslim brotherhood doesn't want to give up. president morsy said he's not giving up and calling for dialogue. reports that he's under house arrest, but i think what is really critical is this battle over the word coup, this battle and will be played out in how the united states responds or how the rest of the west responds, what does it mean in terms of egypt and if it's, you know, prove and true, that they are returning around issuing arrest warrants for all these people, whether they are attacking and closing down various media outlets, doing that kind of thing. there is very little other than you can call it a coup and as one analyst said to me, a player in this thing said to me look, no matter what it's called, no
matter if it's a supreme court judge, the head of the constitutional court is going to be the interim president, it's umpired by the army. no matter who is it, it's the army in charge -- >> but the obama administration did not use the word coup -- >> no, they haven't. >> and that brings repercussions. >> that's right. the chairmen of the joint chiefs said earlier this evening that if it's determined that this is a coup, then that will unleash and trigger various u.s. reactions because there are laws that determine aid and all of this. the next while will be absolutely critical and it's a paradox. you have the first elected government, which obviously didn't perform as the people wanted, now being drummed out by the military called upon by so many millions of egyptians. >> can you explain, i mean, as we look at these extraordinary pictures from tahrir square and a lot of different groups there, a lot of different people there
for different reasons, can you explain their opposition to the muslim brotherhood, the government run by the muslim brotherhood? >> well, as far as the opposition goes, i mean, really, it's a divided group, and now that the table is turned and the muslim brother hood has -- is going to be in the political wilderness, it's a whole different ball game, but it's something that the brotherhood is accustomed to existing in. you have to remember that for decades under first presidents, the brotherhood existed in the political wilderness in a secret world, and they developed all sorts of mechanisms to hide their activities from -- from not only the government but people in general so that put among many egyptians a deep concern about the must almost brotherhood and actions and intentions and really, we've gone full circle. we're back to where the muslim brotherhood members are being rounded up, arrested, put under house arrest. we really have come full circle, but this time around they tasted power.
they have had for one year, one of their own as president of egypt and now back in the wilderness again. we'll see how they act. >> one important diminish and minimize the possibility of a bad backlash, even if it's 10, 15 years down the line, whether everyone more hard line islamist could come. the muslim brotherhood was doing a good job on it's own showing it was unable to govern at lowes right now. that's why the people are angry. it is unable to govern. there is practically a failed state, the economy is terrible and tacking so far to the religious base. so that really irritated the people. you have a division between secular, liberals and it's possible, you know, the muslim brotherhood would have been voted out in the next election. now they are the victims on this
international stage. no matter the rights the people say they have, this group of governors didn't perform and therefore, we're voting them out by a popular uprising. and then, you know, the other thing is that this was meant to be a, you know, an example of democracy. it's been halted for the moment. >> everyone stay with us. you heard from the muslim brotherhood next and we'll talk to a key opposition figure that wanted president morsy out. where he sees this going next. let us know what you think on twitter at anderson cooper and we'll talk about it during the commercial break. and the final day in the zimmerman trial before the prosecution is expected to rest. we'll be right back. years ago, my doctor told me
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back now with breaking news we're following out of egypt. five hours ago the president was couped. one word of the croup came, proand anti demonstrators erupted. >> may god preserve egypt and it's people. >> the moment the announce the was made the constitution would be suspends, a huge cheer erupted behind me and now some egyptians are applauding and celebrating this move. the mood here is very dark, very
angry and we're hearing chants meaning victory. >> tonight the muslim brotherhood saying morsy is being held under house arrest. he won 52% of the vote and the first democratically elected president and had three more years to go in office. he said he's still the legitimate president and we have an opposition activists. he joins me from cairo. thanks for being with us. those people who oppose what is happening now, what the military has done say this is a coup clear and simple. how is this not a coup in your opinion? >> well, there is nothing simple about it, anderson. there is nothing simple about it at all. for the past month, we've been calling as to opposition for mohamed morsy to step down and to do it democratically
beresigning because of his mismanagement of the country and to call for early elections, which is purely democratic in any system when you fail -- >> wait, let me stop you right there -- >> for elections. >> actually, democracy is when you vote somebody out of office. this is a guy, and i'm not a defender of his in any way or supporter of his in any way but isn't democracy done at the ballot box but not putting bodies on the street and getting military involved? >> exactly. when you have a political process, that's the idea. we don't have a political process because he has this country from a real paralament, from a real format of political process. he deprived us from any channels to change or to influence any kind of policies that has been done or mismanaged in this country for the past year. we don't have -- we didn't have
any outlets or anyway to be heard unless we go down to the streets and chant our demands, and even though, he ignored us and even though we have chanted we have done, campaigned, everything outside of a political process because we've been deprived of a year of a format, of any kind of political format or trustworthy dialogue panel and we've seen failure over fail year. we've seen our foreign affairs compromised. we've seen us threatened in our even livelihood, denial, the case of the fuel, a great disaster -- >> so what do you want to see happen now? what do you hope happens now? morsy is apparently under house arrest. there are reports of house warrants for 300 muslim brotherhood members. they still have a large amount of support in the country despite mismanagement that
occurred, as you pointed out. what do you want to happen next? >> first thing i must say that the -- that the supporters of mohamed morsy have stood staggeringly because he made eneies of everybody. a bigger part of the islam current in egypt. we have to understand for clear reasons mohamed morsy does not recognize the will of the people and he wants to clinch however he can to his failed authority. what happened was the military aligned it's action with the demands of the people, so we can avoid a civil war that the president actually openly in a speech yesterday called for and has -- exactly threatened some of the people with a civil war if they did not compile to his rule, which is ridiculous when you've been held hostage by a mad president that's threatening you with his followers, his devote followers they will shoot you down and that's what actually happened yesterday. mass shootings happened from 00:41:09:his supporters to
civilians at homes. we want the road map we proposeed to go through. we need the full support of international community. what is happening now is there is a cap pain against the egyptian people. you're telling me more than half the people is in the streets in support of removal of mohamed morsy. you want me to feel hostage to a failed system he installed with no political process and arguing with me this is not democratic. when you find a president calling for civil car and his supporters are armed with machine guns and bin laden t-shirts and saying we waged a war in afghanistan, we'll do it again and we can turn you into an algeria state over '92 and you hear that for the whole month from supporters, and when the army as an institution aligns itself with the people
and tries to actually stop any kind of civil violence -- >> okay. >> or civil war -- >> i hear you. >> you could that as a coup. i must say there is a clear message that has to be delivered to the american media and to the united states administration. you're doing half of that pr with the egyptian people. you're aligning yourself -- >> sir, my job -- sir, my job is not to do pr or for you or anybody else. i'm not taking sides here. >> i understand. >> you don't want to use the word coup word, doesn't mean i don't get to use it or the other people or the u.s. government doesn't get to use it. this is how we debate in america, this is how america works. i gave you plenty of time to voice your opinion. i want to hear from other panelist. clearly, emotions are running high. >> emotions are running high and you heard the opposition say look, what we wanted was
something politically advanced, some inclusive politics. we didn't get it and took to the streets. they say look, this is the will of the people bing manifested. there will be this retore kill war -- >> he said the media is using this word coup. this is something the u.s. government and all governments have to decide. >> they have to decide, that's exactly right and there is a huge pr campaign in egypt to actually discredit the language being used outside. >> i get supporters of what is going on not wanting to use that word. >> right. >> it's a loaded word. there is no doubt about it. >> here is the thing, anderson, they are correct in wanting a political system. >> of course. >> there is no political system in egypt. it a democracy, the only group that existed was muslim brotherhood in the shadows for so long, but they were organized. had huge grass roots networks
and brought people into the streets to vote. they had fantastic charity arms and, you know, wings. they were able to organize and that's what happened. the opposition on the other hand does not have that organization. it's divided. there are no political parties. politics is happening on the street. people are coming out. the military refused to put it that way and they say here is the other thing, if mohamed morsy had done what he said today, what he said today. >> right. >> at the 11th hour. >> too late. >> it was too late. he didn't say it last night on the speech in television. he didn't say it a week ago -- >> look, the muslim -- >> and international inclusion. >> the muslim brotherhood said they wouldn't run for public office -- >> that's true. there is a lot of distrust but the fact of the matter is there are supporters for the other side, as well.
as a practical matter beyond the head of the emotion of the moment, as a pack ticket matter, it will be very, very important what happens next. it's going to be really important that the next bit of this process looks to be transparent, does not look like it's been run by the military, although the military is the umpire. >> i want to bring back some guests. we haven't heard you from you, what is your view of what is going on and what happens now? if the muslim brotherhood can be rounded up and officials rounded up, they still do have support in segments of the country, what -- that's not going to disappear. what happens not political process? >> that's the big question at the moment. what happens now? because people are out there celebrating. there's a very festive spirit,
but a few people only are not just having the sigh of relief to see the back of the muslim brother hood, they are concerned about what comes next, and i haven't seen any pictures of islam supporters yet to gauge their reactions to all of this. i know that they have said they will put up a fight to defend legitimate. so that to me is very worrying and i am very concerned, indeed. i hope we won't see a repeat of the algeria scenario, egypt is different, of course, from algeria but i'm very worried about a possible stage of terror attacks. >> ben, in terms of the potential for violence, it remains great throughout the country. >> of course, it does and let's not forget, anderson, that during the 19 80s and the 1990s there was an urban war by militants, not the muslim
brotherhood that left hundreds if not thousands of egyptians dead and the memory of that very difficult period, which come nated in 1997 with the massacre of 60 tourists is very fresh in people's minds and certainly, the possibility that if the muslim brotherhood is completely eradicated from the political equation and the rounding up of 300 of the top members silencing the television stations does not bode well in a diminished role in a post-revolution so-called 2.0 egypt. anderson? >> that's a key point. what role, if any, would they have in any new election?
>> who knows. i was speaking to a top military official today, former but very plugged in. he said, oh, no, mohamed morsy will be free and maybe partake in the next election. now he's in his house without move the. sideline, let's not beat around the bush a massive group who supports them. so i do believe that the whole idea from the beginning was inclusion. the military said to the president and the opposition, my choice to you is get together to meet the demands of the people. they talked about national reconciliation and today in the speech, the chief said amongst many other things there must be a comittee for national reconciliation. it will be interesting to see. you know, he's dissolved the constitution. we've got an interim president
for who knows how long, an interim leader and they have to prepare new elections. >> fascinating to watch. >> and a key ally of egypt and israel as well. >> appreciate it. stay safe all of you there in cairo. we'll check back throughout the hour. next, the zimmerman trial, the prosecution almost finished could rest on friday, possibly with testimony from trayvon's mother and a full hour at 10:00 p.m. eastern and the fire that took those 19 lives in arizona. we know it's your videoconference of the day.
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as we continue to monitor the fast movement in the zimmerman trial, the prosecution called several key witnesses friday morning we anticipate they will rest the case after trayvon's mother, sybrina fulton takes the stand. how well or how poorly the prosecution has done and what the defense will do when it gets underway but we get underway with martin savidge. >> reporter: the hooded sweatshirt trayvon martin wore the night he was kill sd a key piece of evidence. the state expert found no trace of george zimmerman's dna on that sweatshirt, not near the coughs or the fists and no dna found under martin's fingernails. on the gun, which acore cording to zimmerman reached and touched.
>> the swab from the pistol grip of the defendant's gun was positive for blood, correct? >> yes. >> and then there was a mixture, the major matched the defendant george zimmerman? >> yes. >> and you were able to exclude trayvon martin as having dna on the pistol grip, correct? >> yes, trayvon martin was excluded from being a possible mixture. >> reporter: the hoodie was tested saying zimmerman's gun was actually touching the fabric when he fired the fatal shot. >> what did you find distance-wise when you conducted the test with the sweatshirt. >> it is consistent with a contact shot. >> so again, evidence saying that the end of the gun was against the material when it was fired? >> yes. >> the prosecution also pointed out the night he killed martin,
zimmerman carried a loaded gun with a chamber ready to fire and the defense got them to admit that is not out of the ordinary. >> you did not consider that to be unusual, did you? >> no. >> reporter: the state showed zimmerman didn't just want to be a cop but was learning how to become one, studying criminal justice at a college. a former professor said he was one of his best students and gave him an a. zimmerman knew nothing of florida stand your ground law the night he killed martin but the professor said it was a frequent discussion in the class. >> i wanted to teach the class from a practical standpoint where they can take it and apply it. in florida and other states they have what's called the stand your ground law, which evolved from the castle doctrine from case law. >> did you cover that
specifically? >> yes. >> did you discuss specifically self-defense and stand your ground laws in connection with violent crimes such as murder? >> yes. >> reporter: it was the testimony of another professor that provided a few lighter moments. gordon pleasant appeared in court by skype. first there was some problems but then came the digital demons. >> his phone getting signals. >> it's someone calling. >> reporter: as his name people began calling him disrupting the testimony. the judge ordered it to stop with the defense catching on to what was happening. >> there is a really good chance we're being toyed with. >> reporter: in court the judge announced the state planed to rest and that won't happen until at least friday after the 4th of july holiday.
martin savidge, cnn sanford, florida. let's dig deeper to the testimony in the trial so far. legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sunny hosten and former los angeles deputy district attorney and rachel night, also criminal defense attorney jose bias and how the criminal justice system works and sometimes doesn't. what do you make of the poor forensic evidence you just heard. they said the gun was pressed up against trayvon martin's chest and that's different from the autopsy. >> it's a contradiction as to the distance the muzzle was from the clothing and body f. you think about it carefully. the bullet has to penetrate two items of clothing before it hits the body. now medical examiners looking at the body and looking for
tattooing or stipling as it's called, which comes from the burning particles that abrave the skin. because there were these two items of clothing in between the muzzle and the body, you could see differences. you wouldn't necessarily see that and therefore the medical examiner concluded it was not a contact shot, whereas the ballistics expert concluded it was. i think she is correct. >> does it really matter in terms of the end result? >> anderson, the bottom line is it was a struggle. it wasn't a shot from a distance -- >> that's the key point. >> it's consistent with a struggle. >> the prosecution established zimmerman's gun did not have an external safety and it had a bullet loaded ready to fire. >> you stated that a person, mr. zimmerman, since we know it to be his gun, right? >> yes. >> okay. would have been racked to make sure it was in fact ready to
fire and put another bullet in the magazine and reloaded it, correct? >> yes. >> as a matter of fact, the law enforcement officer again you had a chance to see, that is normal that it is one racked in the chamber and a full magazine, correct? >> yes. >> military do that, correct? >> i'm unsure. >> so clearly, the prosecution trying to paint zimmermann as trigger happy want to be cop we w a bullet in the chamber. seems like the defense did a good job of pointing out that actually, that the not so unusual. >> well, not only is it not unusual but if you're in a situation where you want to defend yourself, that's exactly what you do. that's why cops do it. that's why the military does it. i suppose that's why somebody on neighborhood watch does it. i don't understand what the point of that witness was,
because it ended up at best helping the defense. >> and sunny, zimmerman's criminal defense attorney on the stand. want to play part of his testimony. >> on the issue of injuries, though, when you talk about that with the class and your understanding of the law is that the focus is what is going on in the person's mind not whether they have actually been injured, it's the fear of the injury, is it not? >> the fact that there wasn't an injury at all doesn't necessarily mean there was a reasonable apprehension of fear. >> you don't have to wait until you're almost dead before you can defend yourself? >> no, you probably don't do that. >> a rare point where we saw george zimmerman laugh. sunny, that witness was brought in by the prosecution so george zimmerman knew about self-defense rules and stand your ground, but the defense was able to use him to kind of bolster their case, as well. >> well, the defense certainly used the witness to instruct the jury a bit about stand your ground, but i don't know that
that was the biggest take away. i think what was interesting was that george zimmerman, in his interview with sean was asked by sean had you ever heard of stand your ground? he said no. he repeated no. yet, this witness says well, actually, i talked about it all the time in class. i talked about it practically, and so i think that the jury is not going to forget that. they will see that there was, perhaps, a lie there. why do you lie about whether or not you know stand your ground? well, you lie about it because the jury can infer or the police can infer that you framed the narrative, you framed your story to get off. >> jose, the defense was able to get out of that witness that that professor, that it's not about the severity of the injuries, it's the way those injuries made george zimmerman feel in the moment of struggle. >> i'm a little shocked that the judge allowed this type of testimony to be admitted to begin with. i've never heard of a witness
instructing the jury on the law. that's generally reserved for the judge to do. so, they were able to score a major home run here by, you know, in essence a gland slam to have a witness get up there and say, well, you know, you can't wait until your dead and what the parameters are of self-defense and things like that. it a dream witness. >> marsha -- it does seem like -- >> i don't understand -- >> what i don't understand is why didn't the prosecution object to this? when the question is asked, objection, motion to strike? what goes on back there? >> let me ask you about that because this is yet, another prosecution witness the defense has an abled to turn and score points with. >> yeah, they did. they did it because of course, by having him explain the law, was unfortunate is he didn't make it clear enough, anderson. what he should have said is look, what someone's actual injuries are doesn't resolve the question as to whether the shooter reasonably believed he
was in imminent danger of death or great bodily injury because someone can point a gun, inflict in injuries and put you in reasonable fear of imminent death. the fact that george zimmerman, what kind of injuries he has is not really what resolved the question of whether he reasonably believed he was imminently in danger. what the point of those injuries is versus what he says, is that it shows him to be lying. that's the point of it. the point of showing that his injuries were actually rather as described by another witness insignificant goes to i'm peach his statement. that's the point of all that. so what the teacher was saying was something actually rather academic. as a point of law, we don't have to show any injuries to prove reasonable belief in imminent death. that the all. too bad if it wasn't explained,
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as we said earlier, mr. zimmerman and mark o'mara said himself this trial is proceeding quickly but the question for the martin family is whether or not it's going especially well and whether the prosecution needs to call trayvon's mother sybrina fulton to say whether or not that's martin's voice on the recording. there were thoughts the prosecution would call sybrina fulton to testify. do you expect she will take the stand when court resumes friday?
>> anderson, this is a strong possibility she will take the stand. >> what about trayvon martin's brother. there is also some who expect maybe he would be asked to testify, as well? >> a very strong possibility that he will testify. >> how important to the prosecution's case do you think their testimony is, in terms of identifying whose voice it is on that 911 call? >> well, they call them to the stand, i would assume that it is a -- that's very important to their case, however, i'm not the lawyer trying the case so i'll have to defer to whatever their strategy is. if they call them, i would suspect they expect to get very strong testimony from them in this case. >> the state today presented evidence about zimmerman's past, about his education course work. when i spoke with mark ocho ra yesterday, he believes that opens the door for more discussion of trayvon martin's history. do you think that should be admissible, that one opens up the door to the other? >> not, not at all and i think
we have to remember here in this particular case, we know clearly trayvon martin was clearly trying to get away from george zimmerman and when approached, he asked why are you following me? trayvon martin's past has nothing to do with the interaction. we know from what happens in this case that george zimmerman was following trayvon in almost three different times came close to him and had an opportunity to say who he was and failed to do so. you heard from the detectives, quite possibly if he did that, this situation may not have happened. we think his background and you have to take into prospective, his interaction with the detectives and mark o'mara came with the theory that george zimmerman was participating with the officers, he was acting in good faith.
all the things he's done to bolster george zimmerman's testimony goes into the knowledge he had and experience in dealing with the self-defense situations and showing corporation with the law enforcement it would go to his benefit. he learned these things at the college he attended. >> how concerned are you about the prosecution's case at this point? i mean, they are basically one day away from resting their case. there is a lot of analysts, former prosecutors, defense attorneys that are looking at this case and saying they don't see that the state has done a successful job of proving second-degree murder, perhaps -- perhaps the jury would come back with manslaughter charge. are you confident in the way the prosecution's case has unfolded in the testimony given by a lot of prosecution's witnesses, which a lot of analysts say really has worked toward the benefit of the defense? >> well, i have to tell you, anderson, i'm sitting in that courtroom every day so unlike the analysts that do not have an opportunity to witness the jury, do not have an opportunity to see the evidence, the interaction, the jurors and how
they are responding to the evidence, i don't think they get the full body of it -- >> so you're saying something the tv isn't showing? >> right, they can't see the jurors. i can see the jurors. i see what, for example, today when the expert was showing the contact of the gun, i saw every one of them except for one was engaging writing. it was very powerful. someone sitting in l.a., he would never get that. but i saw it. >> were you surprised by the testimony that the lead investor tore on the case, a lot of people watching on television said they had never heard a police officer called by the prosecution give testimony that was so favorable to a defense? >> well, i think also we have to remember how this case unfolded in terms of the investigation, interacting with the police department, the case being taken over by the florida department of law enforcement, somewhat involvement from the fbi.
nobody likes for someone to come in and take over the case but i think at the end of the day, though, you have to remember one thing that came out of his testimony is that he thought that george zimmerman was exaggerating his injuries. >> but -- >> and so you have to take -- it's up and down thing. >> so you think there may be some ill will on part of the lead investigator to the way he was taken off the case and the way this case was handled? >> no, i wouldn't say that. i wouldn't say there is ill will. i think that because he had mixed emotions, at the end of the day he wanted him to be charged, at least with manslaughter. so i would rest my opinion on that. >> daryl parks, appreciate you being with us, thanks. >> thank you. back with our panel, mark, let me start with you. what are you thinking as you look toward prosecution resting on friday and the defense, how much longer, what are you looking -- who do you think the defense will put on the stand to bolster their case? >> first thing, anderson, when he talks about the analyst sitting in l.a., i want you to know i'm in berkeley tonight, not l.a. okay? i think they telegraphed and not
just going to call one family member, two family members, which i think will then cause the defense to call george zimmerman's father. so i think, and mark doesn't need my advice but i think he should book end it with those two witnesses, if they rest with those two witnesses friday. >> do you see the defense putting on a ro bust defense for many days. >> no, i don't. i don't think they need to. the defense has been able to try their case within the prosecution's case. so i do think it will be relatively brief. i think they will rest next week. >> sunny hosten, do you agree with that? >> absolutely, absolutely. i dong think the defense will put on a long case, at all, two or three witnesses. we could be looking at a verdict i think by next week.
>> jose bias, what do you think from the defense or prosecution next friday? >> i agree with most of the panel. i think they will call the family, the defense will counter with tracy martin but i think the defense will put on dr. demayo. you don't hire a super star like that and not call them. i fully anticipate we'll see dr. vincent demayo take center stage in the defense's case. >> from a forensic standpoint -- >> i totally agree with what jose said. looking at the totality of the evidence, i think the state has not reached that high bar for second-degree murder. i see nothing inconsistent with george zimmerman's story. i think the state's case is slip sliding away. >> well, we'll see. days yet to go. appreciate my panelist.
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