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head towards monday. but watch out, it is going to be very oppressive. back to you. >> that will do it for us. thank you karen. >> thank you so much for watching. "state of the union" starts now. "state of the union" starts now. have a great day. -- captions by vitac -- >> we are following two unfolding stories today. first the dramatic crash of flight 214 at the san francisco airport. investigators arrived just a few hours ago. the flight data recorders have been recovered and on their way back to washington, d.c. for analysis. and half a world away the growing turmoil in egypt. now a country divided after the military ousting of its democratic government islamic government. and we are expecting for
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protests today. first to our top story, the crash of asian flight 214 at san francisco international airport. 307 passengers and crew aboard that flight which started in shanghai, connected in seoul and landed in san francisco. 182 people were taken to area hospitals with injuries ranging from critical to minor. and two 16-year-old girls were killed. the plane was coming in dangerously low and clipped a sea wall and shiring off its tale and skidding to a stop and catching on fire. >> it sounded like we were about to land. the nose of the plane goes up a little bit. and we start hitting, hitting hard. and then we felt like we were going up again. that's why i said we felt
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like -- he was going to pull one of those miss landing and go back up. and it did not happen. if we flipped, none of us would be here to talk about it. >> an official investigation will take months, if not years. we want to go to cnn's miguel marquez. what do we now know pending the investigation of the flight recorder and other things, what do we know that can be considered facts that will contribute to our understanding? >> reporter: a couple of important data points. passengers on the plane said they heard the engines refuse up just before it hit the embankment. the ceo of asiana airlines says it was no engine problems or callout to the passengers to brace or any emergency. we also know that sfo is under construction and the instrument
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landing system or ils as they call it was out of service for this particular runway. the boeing 777 has a redundant system that can be used in this case and the visual flight. they also have the old-school red light, white light landing system that pilots can actually look off into the distance and see whether or not they're too high or too low. clearly the glide path into sto was wrong and that will be where a lot of this centers on. >> and certainly we're getting a lot more eyewitness information from the survivors and rescue crews. what have we learned since last we spoke? >> reporter: the two that were killed railroad found on the runway, we understand. some of the survivors were found in the water, amazingly enough. and when that plane crashed, some of the force of that pushed seats together, trapped individuals in their seats. the plight crew asked emergency
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responder who arrived at the plane for their knives so they could cut passengers free and get everybody out. >> amazing stories that we're only now just learning. thanks so much miguel. we'll get to the ntsb chairman in just a moment. but i want to bring in richard quest. i know you've been looking at the flight tracking data and you've learned more about the speed and altitude of the plane just before the crash. what do you know? >> reporter: if we look at the profile of the descent that miguel was just talking about there, what we're now learning is we know how, we don't know why. this plane was descending a mile or two out when it should have been much shallower, it was still depending at 900 to 1,000 feet per minute. way, way more steeply than one would have expected. the speed was bleeding ofg extremely fast.
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it's down to 125, it goes down as low as 109 at one particular point. we know that it was too steep and too slow. if it you look at the data, like at the last minute, you do actually see the power going back on again as he tries to take the plane back up again. but we don't know why. we know, for instance, that the san francisco airport on the evening, the instrument landing system was inoperable for runway 28 left. but we know that the navigation lights were working on the left of the runway. so there was plenty of reason for him to know he was either too low or too high. that's where the focus of this investigation will be. why was this dependent profile so unorder dox? was there a reason we don't know about? that's what this is going to be all about. too steep and too slow.
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>> thank you so much for that new informationment we are looking at live pictures of what is left of that plane. and this now, i want to bring in the chairman of the ntsb. she's in san francisco, deborah hersman. i know you will look at everything. but i also know when investigators get on the scene, some things catch their attention. what has caught your attention? >> when we went out there last night and took a look at the aircraft, you can see the devastation from the outside of of the aircraft. the burn through, the damage to the external fuse large. what you can't see is the damage internally. and that is really striking. i think when we look at this accident, we're thankful that we didn't have for fatalities and serious injuries and we have so many survivors. it's very good news as far as a
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survivable accidents, which many accidents are. >> was it miraculous or the result of something that so many did survive? >> you know, i would say much of this is the result of the hard work of the aviation community taking accidents, taking lessons learned and plowing them back in, whether it's the design of aircraft or training of crew members. and even passenger. and we can't stress this enough, many accidents are survivable. it's about knowing where the exits are and listening to the flight crew in an emergency situation. very important. >> and let me ask you, i hope you heard our richard quest who reported that the flight data that he has seen shows a plane that it coming in too steep, the angle of it, and too slowly for that runway. what does that tell you? >> well, you know, we're going to have to corroborate a lot of
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information, the radar data, atc information, and the flight data recorder parameters and also interview the plights. it's really important to put all you have the pieces of the puzzle together, to not just understand what happened, but understand why it happened so we can prevent accidents like this occurring in the future. >> sure. i can understand that it be less important that the pilot may have been come in at too steep a angle and that too slow of a pace. and you need to know why that is so? >> sure. and you know what? stabilized approaches have long been a concern, safety concern for the aviation community. we see a lot of runway crashes, either landing short orlanding long. runway overruns, runway excursions. a very significant threat in the aviation envierm. we want to understand what was going on with this crew and air
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brain so we can learn from it. >> are there not redundant systems that would have flashed -- if everything were working well that would have flashed and said too steep, too slow? wouldn't that have been in place? >> well, you know, there are a lot of systems that help support the pilots as they come into airports especially busy ones like this one at san francisco. there's been a discussion about the glide scope being out of service. but there are a number of other tools available to the pilots, some less sophisticated like the lights, precision approach lights that they were talking about. but also some things that are more tech any cologically advances, things on the airplane that can give you gps information. >> so something if the plane were working correctly would have told him that the path were too steep and too slow, if indeed that's the case?
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>> well, i know a lot of this is not necessarily about the plane telling them, it's also about the pilot's recognition of the circumstances and what's going on. so for them to be able to assess what's happening and make the right inputs to make sure they're in a safe situation. that's what we expect from pilots. we want to understand what happened in this situation. >> will you be talking to the pilots today? >> we hope to interview the pilots in the coming days. of course after an event like this, our first concern is people's health and well-being. we hope to interview them soon. >> ntsb chairman, we thank you so much, deborah hersman. we will continue to follow the story throughout the morning. but when we return, protests in egypt have left 30 dead and injured. that's coming up next.
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but this keeps it going. ♪ [ male announcer ] new gold bond powder spray. cool, dry, no mess. stay cool with gold bond. welcome back to" state of the union." on the right side of your screen, you're looking at live pictures of the asiana flight that crashed yesterday at san francisco international. we'll continue to watch this story for you throughout the day and throughout next week. we want to turn to egypt now where throughout the day we're
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expecting more demonstrations. support of president morsi want him back in power and those opposed to him plan to show up to finalize their victory. the white house is issuing a statement that says the united states is not aligned with or does not support any particular egyptian political party or group. the united states categorically rejects the false claims propagated by some in egypt -- i'm joined by our two panelists. thank you both for being here. there's this big question, should the united states cut off aid because if our if there's a coup of the democratically elected leader you have to cut all aid? or should the u.s. continue to
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give aid to the egyptian military as a way to leverage what's going on now? some have suggested that that's a way to get morsi oust -- >> first of all, the u.s. is not call it a coup yet. and you've spoken to general dempsey and others and they're not calling it a coup. look, the united states has a huge amount of leverage now, billions of dollars worth of leverage. with the people who are in power, let's not mistake who is in power. the agenda is to get back to some kind of civilian democratic rule asap. this was egypt's first ever free and fairly democratically elected president who has been toppled by the military. what the u.s. has to do is make sure that very, very quickly democratic crazy is restored in all its fashions. new elections, presidential
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parliamenta parliamentary, new constitution and get it back on track. otherwise it's going to look extremely bad, not jut for the u.s. but for the region. where does democratic casey lead if in two seconds you can overthrow it if you don't like it? >> we have this man who certainly earlier was seen as kind of the leader of the liberals and young folks and the secularists. and there was this big thing that he was going to become the interim prime minister and suddenly he didn't. what happened? >> we don't know yet. but sandy, it's a classic example. there's a group of people that were opposed to morsi. and they ranged from secularists and moderates and liberals to other islamic porters, even far right islamic parties if you will. once they got rid of morsi, they didn't agree on anything else.
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when it came time to appoint the new prime minister, the political islamists said wait, it he's a liberal, a moderate. and they're reflecting themselves now and representing themselves. this is the part of the problem with this kind of a coup. you think it's going surgical and soft and prodemocratic and yet they're shutting down the media and television stations. so the only way i think the united states is going to proceed is say, look, you've got two months. you've got to do three things, yut got to stop cracking down on the media, you've got to hold new elections, and you've got to start a new construction writing process that is truly inclusive. otherwise this is a military coup. >> i want to read you something that struck me from the "new york time" on thursday. he wrote the obama
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administration was largely a spectator to all of this, the muslim brotherhood kept washington at bay by buying it off with the same old currency that -- and the americans will let you do whatever you want to your own people. do you think looking at the u.s. egyptian relationship that the u.s. was too hands off as it watched the morsi government back away from what folks thought they were promised, which was an inclusive government and democratic casey? >> i don't think so. i think at the event day, i don't think we have as much leverage was people make it out. we were trying to prevent this coup. the u.s. ambassador prublly spoke out against a coup. the reality was this, this was a democratically elected government.
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how could the united states not have worked with the democratically elected government. remember, it wasn't just elected once. the muslim brotherhood won the elections and they put forward a constitution that was ratified by 64% of the egyptian people. three times they were affirmed in the bombs. the argument that the united states should have been actively undermining a -- they did criticize it when it overreached. but let's not exaggerate that what the united states can do. >> the last word is your. go ahead and disagree with him, if you want. >> no it. i they we really need to figure out which way is the most constructive way forward. the u.s. has been criticized for way too hands off approach to the entire middle east, whether it's syria or the arab spring.
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since camp david there is structured aid to the egyptian military. but there wasn't enough involvement with the political process. it's true when morsi was over author tearian and autocratic, a lot more pressure should have been put on to make sure he was being democratic. right now, what you have is a situation where basically the conservative muslim brotherhood has been turfed out. will it go underground again? will it be excluded from the political party? are we going to see again the future where it's the military and whoever else against the muslim brotherhood? what you have in its place is the second most powerful block in egypt. the ard liners. we don't appreciate their politics or their religion and they are calling the shots today. what you want is a more secler,
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more liberal, more moderate civilian democratic casey. can it do that and get itself together and have some kind of unity and make a party that is able to perform? that's going to be the huge challenge going forward. and then the other thing i think is really important and maybe you can figure this out, what did the obama administration know and when did it know it? mohamed morsi's party was in touch with susan rice. it's really interesting to know what they knew and when did they know it before this happened. >> i shall do my best. thank you both. t when we return, the man with no country gets some options which could put him in america's
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so that is san francisco airport brought to you by kgo out there. we are continuing to monitor the developments. this is now an investigation and of course about the healing of
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the passengers who did survive and most of them did. two dead in that crash. the rest, some of them in the hospital. some of them walked away. amazing. we are getting new information about the flight data recorder from the san francisco crash. renee marsh is here with the latest. >> earlier this morning we stole e told you that those flight recorders were on the way here to washington, d.c. now we have confirmed that they are now at the national transportation safety board's lab here in washington, d.c. we're told they're in good shape. they will begin the process of annual sizing the information on these flight recorders. we should get a preliminary readout on the information on these recorders that could happen this afternoon. lots of critical information that could piece together and pain president picture of what happened in those final moments before that crash landing. >> renee, i know you are hanging out for us and following every
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step of this situation. thanks. i'm joined now by congressman mike rogers. mr. chairman, thank you for joining us. i do want to talk to you about esd ward snowden and his options. but first i want to pick up on things that i talked about earlier. and one of the things both of them said was this is a really good time for the u.s. to exert some of its influence. and by influence, i think sometimes we think the money that we give them. do you think that the u.s. should stop playing games and call a coup a coup. or do you think the u.s. should continue giving made to the egyptian mill tearian egypt in jen? >> i think the irony of us not falling the law after the egyptian crisis would be too much to handle. i do believe the law is very clear on this. i think what the president needs to do and i do think the egyptian military is the one
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stable factor. they were great and did not over react during the mu bar rick overthrow. i think they were reacting to the calls of the more moderate faxes in egypt. they should be continued to be rewarded for that type of activity. and it is the one cultural structure stabilizing force in egypt. however, i think the president needs to come to congress. i would not try to circumvent the law by calling this something that it is not. clearly they were using the differences of deck crazy to try to -- which means the brotherhood going through threw all of the agencies of the government in trying to take over. again, a lot going on. i think we should do this the legal way. i think the president should come back to congress -- >> and ask for an exception to the law? so you -- >> i would. >> you think we should still give money to egypt?
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you think we should give money to egypt now that that's against the law? >> i think the law is very clear on this and i think we ought to be honest with ourselves. and i don't think that skirting the law is the right thing to do. the president should come to congress and make the case. i think there's a great case to be made that we should continue to support the military, the one stabilizing force in egypt that i think can temper down the political fuding that you're seeing going on now. and then help a process that will allow for multiple faxes of parties and beliefs to participate. the last time, as i said, has used democratic casey to undo freedoms in egypt. that's why we are where we are today. well, i think there's a better way to do this. if you have a longer period and allow these parties to get established, a march toward true democratic casey, i think we can
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play that role. but i think the president needs to come to congress, because i do believe the law is very clear on this. >> what's the danger here? already we are seeing some action by what are thought to be ail kwad operatives along the border. it's not immediately clear that it's connected to what's going on in egypt. but what are you most woertds about when you look at the totality? >> the sigh nigh has been giving us all trouble. the defense minister has been very good about allowing -- destabilizing the region certainly to israel. one concern is that their focus is away from that and that would allow them to continue to be destabilize and allow al qadea and others to continue to cause
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trouble. but we've had a tremendous amount of egyptians show up in syria for the fight there. one of the things that was concerning, they're going to get trained and have combat tested people who are going to want to come back to egypt. and that would prove to be a very destabilizingest as well. you've got multiple layers of security threat here. and i argue the united states needs to step up today and play a more leadership role in at least lining up what a democratic crazy really looks like and motte allowing the muslim brotherhood to take away the freedoms. >> edward snowden has been in the moscow airport for two weeks, a man without passport and traveling documents. venezuela, nick raug ga and bolivia said, hey, he can come here. what do you make of those offers? >> these are governments that are antagonistic to the united
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states. venezuela under chavez led this charge. he was using his influence in places like ecuador and bolivia and other places to try to get an anti-american sentiment. so you see more of this. so i think the chinese got everything they needed they need out of snowden and now the russians too. and i think the next chapter in this book somewhere in latin america one of these countries who is antagonistic to the united states using this as a public relations tool. >> is it serious, though do you think? since he has no paper -- >> i do think it's serious. >> you think they'll give him papers or the pat port that he needs to get there? >> i absolutely do. and this is why we should be -- take putin for a grain of salt in this particular case. if he were serious, he would send mr. snowden back to the
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united states. he's not doing this. he's allowing this other game to play out i really think to try to help poke the u.s. in the eye. so here you go. he is on this government's who oppress their people tour. now he'll probably do venezuela and maybe ecuador. we shouldn't just allow this to happen and shrug it off. this is serious business. we ought to look at all of this to send a very clear message that we won't put up with this kind of behavior. >> congressman rogers, thanks for joining us. when we come back, the late latest of what happened in the last seconds of flight 214. she knows you like no one else.
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once again, that is a live picture of the crash site and what is left of that plane that crashed yesterday at san francisco international airport. that from kgl. of the 307 passengers and crew
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aboard the flight, 305 survived that crash. 1 2 people were brought to 11 bay area hospitals, some with severe injuries. but another 123 walked away from the wrej aj uninjured. we want to go to sarah snyder who is at the hospital. what kind of injuries have they treated? were they ready for this? >> reporter: definitely they were ready for this. this is the only level i trauma center that services about a million people. 50 plus patients were brought here. 26 children, 27 adults. injuries ranking from spinal cord initials to internal injuries to bruises and county contusions. there are six patients still in critical condition here, including one child.
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>> and he we learned of course of the tragic death of two teenage girls that were on board. if we learned anything about other survivors, where they came from? any details about them. >> reporter: yes. we can tell you a little bit about the two girls, both 16 year olds, both students, both from china. the san francisco fire chief said they found the two bodies on the runway. we also know that there were quite a number of students and teachers on the flight that were from china who were heading to a basically a summer school. a lot of parents very worried. but we know that they have survived. only two people have been killed, certainly those families very up set and their prayers are with them today. >> sarah sidner, thank you so much. we're going to continue to follow the story throughout the morning. but when we return, my exclusive interview with the top's
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that is what is left of flight 214, which came in for a crash landing yesterday at san francisco international airport. that courtesy of kgl. the flight data recorders have now arrived at the ntsb lab in washington, d.c. they just told condition that the flight recorders look to be
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in good shape. moving on and heading into the fourth of july holiday this week, i had the chance to talk with the nation's top military man, martin dempsey. i began our wide dash ranging conversation talking about something that we wanted to talk about. how this country needs to view the new lawyers. >> the american people have been extraordinary for what the military has done over the past decade. but after every conflict, there's a period of time when the nation kind of decides what it will think of the veterans of that conflict. it happened after world war ii, the greatest generation. i think you would agree after vietnam the military was held in far less esteem. after desert storm, 96-hour conflict. we were embraced as conquering harrows as a sort.
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and i think now is the time for us to begin thinking and discussing what imagines to we want to have of this jen rag's men and women who serve. >> do you worry at all about what that imaginary will be in a decade or so? >> for one thing, if i do have a worry, you keep trying to talk me into worrying. >> i'm sorry. i don't -- >> but it's that this generation of veterans may be seen as somehow victims. you know, because there is a great many things that have manifested themselves, post traumatic stress syndrome, rising rates of suicide and divorce rates, all of which we have to address. sexual saumt. all of which we have to address. and some of which we find ourselves in one of those cycles
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of history when we've become a little bit less disciplined, i think, than we need to be. i don't want to have this generation's young men and women seen as victims somehow. this conflict has been a source of strength as well for many, many veterans. and i would like the american people to give veterans the opportunity, not as a handout, but rather to recognize what they might bring to the workplace and their communities. so i want it to be a positive image. but there's moments when it feels that it's slipping to a negative image. >> a couple of years now we've been reporting there were more suicides among veterans than there were deaths in war last year. so how do you find the balance? because there is help needed. >> any number of things we do. we do outreach.
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we look for public, private partnerships. we're working closer than we've ever worked with the veteran's administration so that transition from active service to the roles of the veteran's administration is done much more seamlessly than it is today. it's some combination of that i think. >> you think it makes people think these are damaged goods here. >> either damaged goods or someone who needs a handout. they don't need a handout they need a hand shake. and then we'll all see how powerful they are. >> when you look at what's going on on the streets of egypt and has been for the past several days, what is the u.s.'s stake in that? >> at one level our stake is we
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probably have 60,000 or so dual-american egyptian citizens in egypt and we have several hundred official citizens serving in egypt. it's a great country. it's a cornerstone of the middle east. incredible history and culture. the world needs egypt to be stable. >> but they don't want their government in anymore. >> that's for them to decide. and i really mean that sincerely. and incidentally, as a student from that part of the world and someone who lived there for most of the past ten years, what we're seeing is democracy takes a while to stick. >> i wanted to ask you about syria, because there's been talk about what a no-fly zone that we had in libya. >> first i'd like to start with what we are doing and not what we're not doing.
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we're contributing hundreds of millions of dollars in nonlethal and humanitarian assistance. we're working a great deal with our partners in the region. and i would highlight for you, sandy, that when we talk about syria, i try not to focus in and view that issue through a soda straw. this is a issue that extends from bay route to damascus to baghdad. and over the last six months, the levels of violence in both lebanon and baghdad have been alarmingly high. there's a regional issue here. it is related, not exclusively, but related to a competition at best and a conflict at worth between -- >> right. >> and it's been hi-jacked at some level on both sides by extremists,al al qadeas on one side and lebanese hess ba law on
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the other side. this has not been the and the other point i'd make is this is about a ten-year issue, and if we fail to think about it as a ten-year, regional issue, we could make some mistakes. >> what does that mean? you think that bashar al assad will be in power for ten years? >> no. no, no, i'm not making any predictions of how long he'll be there or not there. i'm suggesting to you that the underlying causes of the conflict, as i've just described them to you, will persist for ten years. >> so, would you rule out more? i know that now we are, the president has said, yes, well, aides have said, yes, we'll help with military assistance. would you rule out no-fly zones? would you rule out setting up sort of a refugee -- a refuge place in the north for rebels? >> you know, my rule is neither to rule in nor rule out. >> but to do. >> yeah, but to do, to provide
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options. i do three things. i provide options, i articulate the risk in achieving them, and i articulate the opportunity cost. that is to say, if you want us to do something in syria, here is the issues that may get less fulfilled in the gulf or in the pacific or elsewhere around the world. it seems to me that we need to understand what the peace will look like before we start the war. >> when we come back, general dempsey on talks with the taliban and sexual assaults in the u.s. military. plus, the latest on the crash of asiana flight 214. you really couldn't have come at a better time. these chevys are moving fast. i'll take that malibu. yeah excuse me, the equinox in atlantis blue is mine! i was here first, it's mine. i called about that one, it's mine. mine. it's mine. it's mine. mine! mine. mine. mine. mine. it's mine! no it's not, it's mine! better get going, it's chevy's independence day celebration. [ male announcer ] the chevy independence day celebration.
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we are watching all the developments about the crash of flight 214. you are seeing now live pictures at the airport. those flight data recorders that were on board have arrived in
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d.c., and authorities are downloading the data now. we will have more on that crash later. but first, we want to return to my sit-down with joint chiefs chairman dempsey. i asked him whether he thought afghanistan, if this should happen, could take care of itself without a u.s. or nato troop presence. >> i have to tell you that i've thought about that a lot. i mean, we're working and have about another year and a half to fundamentally get the afghan security forces where we think they need to be in order to maintain a stable security platform inside of afghanistan, and i think we'll achieve that, meaning i think that we will get the afghan security forces to a point where they will be able to provide security generally across the country, but there will be pockets of resistance. the problem is, i can't speak with much optimism at this point about the other factors of governance, be they economic or be they political.
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they have to keep pace. and we'll know, because as you know, there's elections scheduled for early '14. >> i want to ask you, just personally, a little over 3,200 u.s. military personnel have been killed in afghanistan. we know that the u.s. has spoken in some way, shape or form to taliban officials, trying to sort of bring them into the process. we know that karzai probably will, has, or is about to do the same. on a personal basis, knowing that these are the folks responsible for killing 3,200 of your folks, is that hard for you? >> it is always difficult to think about the losses that we've suffered and the idea that at some point we would find reconciliation with the taliban. but i'm mindful of the fact that all wars end with some level of
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political reconciliation. that's just the way they eventually end. i had my counterpart last week here for a visit from vietnam, and i had him to my quarters for dinner. and outside, we flew their flag next to our flag. and i was almost unnerved by it, because i came in the military into west point during the vietnam war preparing to go fight in vietnam. and you know, here we are now some years later, and they are seeking to become much closer partners with us. i think the taliban, first of all, i think there's several flavors of taliban. i think there are some who are reconcilable and undoubtedly some that are not. and so long as we can have enough precision in the way we reach out to them, then i won't have the kind of concerns you're talking about, about whether the sacrifices would somehow be undermined. >> i want to ask you, up on the hill, as you know, there are a
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lot of people who believe that the reporting and the whole issue of a sexual assault within the unit should be taken out of the chain of command and that the person who has been assaulted should be able to take it to a military prosecutor somewhere else. i know the military opposes that, but it is to me the equivalent of going to your boss at a company when the vice president has assaulted you, and knowing where that alliance is. can you see your way clear to why people would want to do that? >> yeah. first, let me assure you, we're not in opposition to anything. that's not my role. it's not the role of the chiefs to oppose. it's rather our role to recommend. >> do you know how difficult that is for somebody to -- >> i do, but i know how unique we are. and again, by the way, if this all passes in congress, you know what our response will be to salute and execute. but you asked me for my recommendation. and we've solved a lot of problems over the years that
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people thought were unsolvable. early in my career, race. middle of the career, drugs. and we didn't do it with the exclusion of the commander. we did it by making the commander take responsibility. and i still believe that's the right way to do this. but it's a recommendation, and i understand that well-meaning people have a different opinion about that. >> you can see more of my interview with general martin dempsey, including a tour of his office, his take on edward snowden as well as how he plans to implement same-sex couple benefits into the military. you can go to our website for all of that at of course, we're continuing to follow that plane crash at the san francisco international airport. those are live pictures. here are the latest developments. the flight data recorders have arrived at the ntsb lab in d.c. and investigators have started downloading the material. ntsb chairman deborah hersman
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told me they will be reviewing data and interviewing pilots in the coming days. the death toll in the crash stands at 2 with 182 injured. we will continue to follow the story and bring you live news conferences as they happen. thank you for watching "state of the union." right now, it is time for right now, it is time for "fareed zakaria gps." -- captions by vitac -- this "gps," the "global public square." welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i am fareed zakaria in new york. after a week of great turmoil, it's another day of tension in egypt today with two big competing rallies expected in cairo. we'll spend much of the hour looking at what the fragile future holds for egypt, the arab world's most populous nation, after president morsi was unceremoniously ousted earlier this week by the military. we'll start with the former national security adviser and richard haass and bret stephens on how to respond to a military