tv State of the Union CNN July 7, 2013 9:00am-10:01am PDT
her honor, i lost love in baghdad, and i feel blessed that she would have me. and i think the fact that she was able to sort of get past that is to me -- i feel pretty lucky. >> one final note. it's been misreported that michael was working on a piece about joe kelly at the time of his death. in fact his final unfinished story was about john brennan and she's working on finishing it on his behalf. that's it for this edition of reliable sources. state of the union starts now. i'm candy crowley. you're looking at live pictures of what is left of asiana flight 214. it crashed yesterday at the san francisco international airport.
we're awaiting a news conference. and we'll bring to you live when it happens. meanwhile, the flight data record ers have arrived at the lab and investigators have started downloading the material. ntsb chairman told cnn they would be reviewing data and interviewing the pilots in the days to come. the death toll stands at two. 182 injured. we'll continue to follow the story. and half a world away, the growing turmoil in egypt. a country long considered a key middle -- key to middle east stability. and now a country divided in the wake of military ouster of its islamic government. we're seeing more demonstrations and perhaps clashes between supporter of morsi and thouthos
support a more secretaular agai. to our top story, eyewitnesses say the plane was coming in dangerously low and clipped the seawall skidding to a stop and catching on fire. >> we were about to land and the plane as you know goes up a little bit. and then we start hitting hard. and then we felt like we were going up again. so that's why i said i felt like we were about to pull one of those almost mislanding and go back up. and it didn't happen. just crashed back. so as i say, if we flipped, up in none of us would be here to talk about it. >> an official investigation will take months if not years.nk about it. >> an official investigation will take months if not years. miguel martez is at the airport. what's the latest? >> reporter: we know that officials are currently meeting, we expect a press conference based on that meeting just not too far from where i'm standing.
and that should happen we hope fairly soon. we also know that there are several things that we're looking at. this plane came in obviously in the wrong flight path and why did that happen. a couple things we know about it, the instrument landing system here on that run way and at nsfo was out of commission due to construction. other planes had landed. there were backup systems. but was there confusion, was there something that this pilot thought was going on that wasn't that caused him to come in at that speed. also the engines. the ceo of asiana airlines says as far as he knows, there was no problem with the engines. he says there was no word or no warning that went out to passengers on on that plane. but we do know that left engine seems to have disappeared essentially. that the right engine ended up next to the fuselage which caused the fire eventually. but the left engine we don't know where it went, we don't know if it exploded, if it fell off shortly before that impact. could have happened almost
assign you wisimultaneous. i'm sure investigators want to keep an open mind and consider erg.simultaneous. i'm sure investigators want to keep an open mind and consider erg. >> there are lots of entities investigating the crash. who else do you have there that is also working at what happened and what will happen next? >> reporter: federal law enforcement spoke to the pilots last night. ntsb expects to talk to them, as well. it is typical that blood alcohol and drug testing would be done in this sort of situation for any sort of crash of this sort. we also know that a team from seoul is coming into take part in this investigation, so that will have to be folded into this
investigation. obviously the airport local authorities want to be kept up with what's going on here. could bring some expertise to this, as well. just a number of people. those flight data recorders now back in washington and we understand that they are getting a pretty good dump of information out of them as they were undamaged from this crash. >> we understand as well that boeing is at least offered to help. obviously they built the plane and so are interested in whatever went on. and as we're awaiting the new conference by at least the ntsb and perhaps some others joining them, if you are flying in to or out of san francisco today, are your chances fairly good it will happen or what's the regular flight pattern looking like? >> reporter: it appears pretty good. the airport has come back to life as we've been watching it throughout the morning here.
there are a few canceled flights. so check your flights coming in and out of san francisco. but it looks like things are getting back on track. they're down to two runways. there are a lot of people that are trying to get back to track to their final destination. >> may geiguel, i know we'll co back to you as we a wait the news conference. i want to bring in rene marsh. she's been following this investigation. the latest with you, rene. >> reporter: we know that at least about an hour ago, i was told that they were in their first operational meeting. so we're essentially waiting for that to wrap up before we get a briefing from them. but what's happening here in d.c., they're working in san
francisco and also hard in d.c., as well. we know that they're downloading data from the flight recorders and i'm told that they're expecting a preliminary readout of the information found on those recorders by this afternoon. so we'll start to get a small picture of what was going on at least by this afternoon. we do know that. so we know that that is happening at the lab right now and again, there are two you just saw the photo there, two flight recorders, one of them is called the data flight recorder and the other is the cockpit voice recorder. they both have data on totally different things, one of them has the type of data that would allow them to know the position of the plane, how fast the plane was going, what was the altitude of the plane. the other recorder will give them a little bit more color, what was going on at the time, were the pilots saying anything
to each other, did they seem alarmed at the time. they will be reading between the lines as far as the conversations that may have been picked up on this recorder. any warning signals that may have gone on at the time, candy. >> rene, thanks so much. stand by as we a wait this news conference out in san francisco with the national transportation safety board. that's actually in the airport. we expect other officials perhaps to be there, as well. we'll take a quick break. "i'm part of an american success story," "that starts with one of the world's most advanced distribution systems," "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers," "eliminating costly markups," "and buy directly from local farmers in every region of the country." "when you see our low prices, remember the wheels turning behind the scenes, delivering for millions of americans, everyday. "dedication: that's the real walmart"
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welcome back to cnn's live coverage of the crash that happened in san francisco yesterday. on the left of your screen, that is what is left of the plane. that's a live picture. also a live picture on your right, we're waiting a new as conference from officials hopefully to shed some light on what we know so far about what happened, what we know perhaps about the condition of the passengers that did survive. and all but two did survive. some of them more than 100 especially walked away. cnn's richard quest reported earlier that the plane was coming in at too steep an altitude and too slow and that those factors as well as the angle of the plane may have
contributed to the crash. earl i didn't he spoke to tearli spoke to the ntsb chairman. i know you will look at everything. but i also know when investigators get on the scene, some things catch their attention. what has caught your attention? >> when we went out there last night and took a look at the aircraft, you can see the devastation from the outside of of the aircraft. the burn through, the damage to the external fuselage. what you can't see is the damage internally. and that is really striking. i think when we look at this accident, we're thankful that we didn't have for fatalities and serious injuries and we have so many survivors. it's very good news as far as a survivable accidents, which many accidents are. >> was it miraculous or the result of something that so many did survive?
>> you know, i would say much of this is the result of the hard work of the aviation community taking accidents, taking lessons learned and plowing them back in, whether it's the design of aircraft or training of crew members. and even passengers. and we can't stress this enough, many accidents are survivable. it's about knowing where the exits are and listening to the flight crew in an emergency situation. very important. >> and let me ask you, i hope you heard our richard quest who reported that the flight data that he has seen shows a plane that it coming in too steep, the angle of it, and too slowly for that runway. what does that tell you? >> well, you know, we're going to have to corroborate a lot of information, the radar data, atc information, and the flight data recorder parameters and also
interview the pilots. it's really important to put all you have the pieces of the puzzle together, to not just understand what happened, but understand why it happened so we can prevent accidents like this occurring in the future. >> sure. i can understand that it be less important that the pilot may have been come in at too steep a angle and that too slow of a pace. and you need to know why that is so? >> sure. and you know what? stabilized approaches have long been a concern, safety concern for the aviation community. we see a lot of runway crashes, either landing short or landing long. runway overruns, runway excursions. a very significant threat in the aviation environment. we want to understand what was going on with this crew and airplane so we can learn from it. >> are there not redundant systems that would have flashed -- if everything were working well that would have flashed and said too steep, too slow?
wouldn't that have been in place? >> well, you know, there are a lot of systems that help support the pilots as they come into airports especially busy ones like this one at san francisco. there's been a discussion about the glide scope being out of service. but there are a number of other tools available to the pilots, some less sophisticated like the lights, precision approach lights that they were talking about. but also some things that are more technologically advances, things on the airplane that can give you gps information. >> so something if the plane were working correctly would have told him that the path were too steep and too slow, if indeed that's the case? >> well, i know a lot of this is not necessarily about the plane telling them, it's also about the pilot's recognition of the circumstances and what's going on.
so for them to be able to assess what's happening and make the right inputs to make sure they're in a safe situation. that's what we expect from pilots. we want to understand what happened in this situation. >> will you be talking to the pilots today? >> we hope to interview the pilots in the coming days. of course after an event like this, our first concern is people's health and well-being. we hope to interview them soon. >> ntsb chairman, we thank you so much, deborah hersman. once again we're awaiting a news conference. most of the people you see milling around the podium are actually members of the media. but as soon as there is a news conference, we will take you to it. right now we'll take a quick break and on on the other side, we'll talk to a former managing director of the national transportation safety board. ar y with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob?
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cnn's continuing coverage. what you're looking at there is the podium with microphones on it, it is inside the san francisco airport. i'm told we're waiting for officials to come and hopefully shed new light on what happened yesterday when that 777 made a crash landing miraculously everybody believes. most people survived.
tragically two young teenagers from china did die. joining me now, former ntsb manager, one of them anyway. can i start with the data recorders. how long does that process take? who is looking at it and is that something by the end of the day they will go right here? dwl it wi >> it will be a fairly quick process. they have a secure lab at the ntsb in which they will both listen to the voice recorder this is very well protected and they will download the data from the flight recorder. so it should take 6 to 8 hours to get a good picture. the data recorder covers every aspect of the flight. the voice recorder picks up what the crew was talking about, were they on top of the situation.
>> so if there is something that went wrong with the equipment in some way, shape or form, that will immediately show up in the data part of the recording? >> absolutely. if the plain was coming in too low or too fast, at the wrong angle, temperatures easily identified. gr so it seems that by the end of the day, you'll have the -- they, the national transportation safety board, will have a fairly good idea what happened. there may be other components that led to it. most investigations came up with multireasons why something happened. but they should have a pretty good idea at the end of the day and yet it takes sometimes years to get the reports. >> they will have a picture of what happened. but they won't know why it happened and what contributed to
it. for example in the accident at heathrow where the engine spooled back and the plane crashed short of the runway, they knew that happened, but they had no idea what caused the engines to perform in that way. it could be a similar case here. they may see what happened, but what caused it to take place. they may also see human factors at play. were the pilots on top of their game, did they do their checklist, was the right pilot calling out the altitude correctly. >> some of the information we're hearing from passengers is interesting to me. have they corralled the passengers? obviously some are in the address. but it seems like they could probably add something or does the data and how the wreckage is strewn, is it mostly scientific evidence? >> it is mostly scientific
interviews. on which times witness recollections become distorted by the news that they hear. you can't separate the two in your mind. certainly they will want to talk to the flight crew of the united plane that watched tasiana plan land. and they will talk to many of the passengers, what did you hear, what happened, what did you see. the passengers will be looked at on the survive ability. it's extraordinary that 305 people walked away from this or got out of this alive and it's a testament to the flight crew, the cabin crew, and the design of the aircraft. >> and certainly there are regulations since these giant planes came into being that say in fact you have to be able to
investigation eig evacuate in 90 seconds. >> even if 50% of your slides are blocked, your cabin crews have to be able to get the people off in # 0 seconds. and from what i've read and heard, this flight crew did a great job. >> let me ask you if you think it's at all peculiar. i was truck when the chairman said we'll get to the pilots in a couple of days. i would think the ntsb plane would land and they would say if the pilot's awake, i want to talk to him. >> generally you want to get it to the pay lots as soon as possible. but in an international investigation, it's somewhat of a more sensitive issue. we have the voice recorder and so we know what they will say. they may be in shock.
and koreans are observes to the investigation. you might show them deference at the beginning. >> pilots could easily be injured. there were several on board. again, this is a scientific search, not a trial where you bring in witnesses. it's a here's what we they want it find out why. >> and it's difficult, is it not, when it's international -- i don't believe this is a u.s. pilot perhaps. doesn't sound like it. so if there were some malfeasance, and we don't know,
could be total plane malfunction, but if it were a pilot thing, that brings in another level of difficulty. >> it does. these investigations with multicountries involved with governed bay a treat teeity a t and you follow the protocols. >> a lot of sensitivities. thank you so much, peter. when we return, more on the investigation about what caused flight 214 to crash and on the other side of the globe, egyptians flood the streets in protest as the military issue as strong warning against violence. it's a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile.
killed in that crash. everyone else got out alive. there are some in critical condition we're told in the hospital. but part of a miracle. in other stories, we obviously will continue to cover that one. but throughout egypt today, more demonstrations are expected. supporters of morsi want him back in power. those opposed to him plan to show up to, quote, finalize the great victory. president obama spoke again saturday. white house says the united states does not support any particular party or group. the united states rejects the false claims prop gated by some in egypt that we're working with specific political parties or movements to dictate how egypt's transition should proceed. the u.s. has not been particularly close to the morsi government, but in an interview just an hour or so before morsi
was ousted, the chairman of tjo chiefs of staff says military to military characters are the strongest they have been in a decade. >> i feel confident that we have a close enough relationship that they listen. at the end of the day it's their country, but there will be consequences if it is badly handled. there are allow that is bind us on how we deal with these situations. >> and you mean the u.s.? >> yeah. for instance, if this were to be seen as a coup, it would limit our ability to have the relationship we think we need with the egyptian armed forces. >> joining me around the table with some of the best experts on the issue.
and i had like to talk about when is a coup not a coup for a second. because it seems that it divides along two lines. if we say it's a coup, it shows we're abiding by u.s. law and we shouldn't be backing what pretty much looks like a coup. the other rule of thought is let's find a way around this because it gives us leverage with the military to ease up, to back off the muslim brotherhood, maybe let morsi go. where do you fall? >> i don't think it's a black and white issue. there were members of the old regime and certainly the military decided -- made the
final decision. but in 2010 and 2011, in tunisia and egypt, the military also played a major role. and we still call it a revolution. so the question really depends on the extent to which there is public support, b on the aims of the takover and c the consequences. and therefore i think the verdict is still out and general dempsey is right. this is a moment to see what transpi transpires. if the military takes control, it's a coup. if there is a transition into democracy, it's not pl. >> the military to military context actually proved very valuable during the first revolution. it also strikes me that we're now seeing reports that the u.s. said to the egyptian military don't do this and they went ahead. so one has to wonder how valuable those contacts are. >> i think they're very
valuable. i've been very much a leaver that having good relations from military to military standpoint is absolutely critical to our policy and continue to believe that. having said that, the relationship in the early years of the obama administration with then president mubarak was also cautionary to say if you don't do in some things that need to be done in your country, at some point bad things will happen and sure enough they did. mubarak just chose not to listen. he probably thought he knew better. but i'm quite sure that behind the scenes the administration has worked very hard to convince the military that you make changes through elections. and we would far trfr this, but we're not going to just stand by and let president morsi at that time country over the falls
given the fact that he's alienated the military, he's crippled the judiciary and over control of the media. >> it seems like a bit of a failure of diplomacy. what has happened here is when you read egyptian papers or talk to egyptians on the street, they're mad at the u.s. because they think the u.s. really helped put morsi in power. if you read the editorials here, they're really mad at the u.s. for not doing enough. so it's one or the other was there adequate handling, if you will, of morsi? what was the failure here? >> i think it's inherent that the way they took power, this has been a polarized country for a long time, muslim brotherhood took over. they weren't inclusive enough.
>> they took over withdrbecause won an election. >> but then they didn't behave in an inclusive way. they were unable to manage the ensuing situation. as to whether it's a coup has to do with our own legislation. if you do judge to be a coup, there is no provision that permits you to not apply sanctions. i think that's legislation that perhaps ought to be reconsidered and modified by our congress because it basically dictates foreign policy to our administration. but i think the military ain egypt is probably single cohesive institution and i don't think this is the time to alienate. >> pretends you are still ambassador to the region. what's that conversation like that you're having right now
with either the julie iewe newl president or the military? >> the u.s. should be and i believe it is advising that this is a time to move as quickly as possible into a transition situation. let's not get hung up on words like coup and counter coup. let's think about the future and what is the best thing for egypt and what is the best thing for the united states in our relationship. to do that we have to maintain a strong relationship with the people in charge and right now the military is in charge. they are gradually adding political voices to that component. >> so when you all look at a whole at what's going on in egypt now, we know the military is basically calling the shots at the moment, what's at stake
here? do we care? i get it that democracy for us is better than not, but what's our stake? >> first of all, let's remember that it's not all about the u.s. or for that matter the u.s. isn't really in the best position to influence things in gee gipt. so we make it all about washington the minute things happen in egypt. but, yes, there are things that are priorities. for example if egypt becomes unstable failed state, that is extremely dangerous for everything the u.s. is doing in the region. the u.s. has to avoid that. second, if egypt becomes a dictator ship, measure people will not accept and egyptian people will not accept. so there are extremes where the u.s. has only a certain margin. and with the military, the u.s. does have some sway, did by the way in the 201 is revolution.
the u.s. did weigh in when the decision was to announce morsi as winner. people feared. in this case no question the u.s. has some sway in the political process. >> unless someone is desperate to chime in, i wanted to move you to another subject because we have diplomacy in military and ademia represented here. and that is edward snowden. general dempsey said he thought the biggest problem was the revelation to allies that we were spying on them. what sort of damage has edward snowden done and is there any way for the u.s. to get out of it? >> it's not the revelation that we were spying on our allies. they knew that. it was public revelation and the public's reaction to that.
in those countries it's a problem for those countries. >> their public didn't know? you just assume everybody knew that governments spies on other governments friends or foe. >> i think the defense is egregious. he's revealed a lot of information just like wikileaks did. perhaps this is an on thpportun moment to sit down with the allies and have discussion with respect to spying and so forth. with canada and great britain and australia, we have an understanding that well not spy against them. maybe we need to extend to our allies and israel. >> obviously i think the military wants as much information as it can possibly get, but do you see any rob with the fact that snowden is so
visibly invisible? we plbelieve we know where he i and can't get to him. and there is the suggestion by critics that it makes the u.s. look weak. here is this guy stole all this stuff and now he's sitting there and no one will deliver him to us. >> there is no magic here. it's interesting he went to china and russia. frankly, if he was a man of honor, would he have stayed here and used the system that we have to take care of whistleblowers.e and used the system that we have to take care of whistleblowers. face any music that there is to be faced. but he's not a man great courage. at the end of the day, it will have to be somebody who is willing to abide by international protocols and treaties. and wants to help the united states and turn him over. which is going to be a long
lasting proposition in-. >> i'm not sure there is any feeling around the u.s. can't get him. everybody's focused on the consequences. the public obviously first is exposed to this. really there were some things that in-ma think many governmen didn't know the extent of. and we've seen some reaction of some government officials. it's hard to assess. the damage is huge. probably going to take years to asse assess. >> it will take internal look at how we hire people and how they have access. >> i have to stop it there. thank you so much. thank you all so much for being here. when we come back, the latest on what happened in those
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but all but two survived this. that is a live picture of the plane where it last fell. and we want to bring in miguel marquez. we've been waiting for a news conference for some time. what's the latest? >> reporter: now it will happen later in the afternoon and we expect the ntsb chairman to talk to reporters this afternoon. they are clearly getting their ducks in a row. we know an investigative team from seoul may have already arrived here. boeing has said it will assist, as well. asiana airline says it will do whatever it can for the investigation. also local officials involved here. the press conference is now later this afternoon and we will bring to you live obviously.
they're looking at the ils or instrument landing system for that particular runway was out. it was not operational. it had not been for on some time due to construction here at the airport. it's not clear if that played a role in what happened yesterday. the engines are also a big issue always in these investigations. the chairman of asiana airlines saying that he knew of no engine problems. but that left engine sort of disappeared. we didn't know where it went. so all those questions we'll be looking at. >> when we look at the totality of the information that we have now, i was talking to an expert earlier who said that it is true that by the end of the day, investigators may know what happened but not why it
happened. >> reporter: exactly. the flight data recorders we do know were taken back to d.c. overnight. they're in good shape. there was some soot on them. they are getting all of that information out of them as we speak. there is also an operational meeting going on here. they may be able to get some of that information to folks here on the ground so they have a better understanding of what was into on on that plane. they will give more information about the shape of the investigation and where it is. so we do know there is more information coming later this afternoon. >> thanks so much. it looks like it's getting back to seminormal behind you there. when we return, a survivor of the crash speaks out. on systems" "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers."
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that's a picture from yesterday. look at your right hand corner of the screen. those are some of the passengers and crew from asiana flight 214 yesterday which crash landed at san francisco. 182 of them taken to the hospital. all but two survived that crash. that brings me to sara sidner when has been outside san francisco general for some time
now. i know you talked to one of the survivors, sara. >> reporter: we just finished talking with one of the passengers, a survivor, she had a 4-year-old and her sister who was traveling with her. she's from shanghai and she talked about what it was like inside the plane. she also mentioned her 4-year-old son dissustain a broken left leg, but she was able to get out of the plane miraculously in a huge hole that she was able to carry her son and some of her bags out of the plane to get to safety. >> it sounds as though you were very calm throughout this. were you calm? >> sorry? >> were you scared at all? >> i had no time to scare. i had five family member in
hospital. i needed time to take care of them. but yesterday night when i was in dream, yes, i was scared. i had no time to think. >> what kind of injuries did your son have? >> broke his left leg. >> how difficult was to get off the plane? >> not very difficult because we sit near the big hole in the plane tail. it's broken, yes. it's a big hole. and the passengers near the plane tail just walk out from this hole. >> you can describe the kind of passengers in the back of the plane in was it a group of high school students? >> yes, we had group passengers.
i also see korean passengers because i sit near the tail. so i don't see any europe or u.s. traveler. we're are from shanghai. >> when was the last time you realized something was going on? when it hit? >> yes, i guess maybe the wheel did not open timely before it land on the ground. because the plane tail touched the ground directly. >> and you felt that? >> yes. >> did people scream? >> everybody scream. >> and can you describe what it was like inside the cabin once the plane crashed? was it dark, was it smoky, can you tell us what it was like?
>> yes, dark and most of ash everywhere. >> did you see flames, fire? >> flames, yes, after it stopped. >> you can tell us where you were sitting on the plane, what it was like where you were sitting? >> i'm sitting near the plane tail. >> did you grab bag, did you just grab your child? >> i just -- when it stopped, i think, okay, because i -- before i see the news and see the pictures, when i inside the plane and it stopped as i think, okay, it's completed. so i had the time to walk out. so i take my baby and just take my carry-on baggage and walk out. >> how old is your child? >> my child is only four years old.
it's a boy. >> so what you're seeing right now are live pictures of the plane there still on the runway or near the runway area where it skidded off, slid off, if you will. some people said spun off of the actual run way. and just to mention, this mother of the 4-year-old talked about five members of her family in the hospital. her son, 4 years old with a broken leg. amazing story of how she simply walked off the plane through a massive hole, she was able to take her son out safely and she also talked about the fact that they had come here hoping to have a usa vacation, her 4-year-old very excited about seeing the usa. and this is at this point how it's ended. >> hopefully it won't end here. i got chills here listening to her be so calm. walking what i'm