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before we go tonight, i wanted to show you two special people. these are my parents. and this is their wedding picture 50 years ago today. they've done so much together in those 50 years, and they're celebrating together tonight. happy anniversary to mom and dad. "a.c. 360" starts now. good evening, everyone. a lot happening around the country and around the world tonight. a lot to bring you in the next two hours that we're on the air for. we begin with breaking news out of ferguson, with a development that will certainly do little to convince many there that area police are in sync with the people they are sworn to protect. it concerns this guy, st. louis county police officer, dan paige, who has just been relieved of duty. he's the one who was pushing cnn's don lemmon while he was live on the air earlier this week. you may remember that. but paige's suspension is not over this video, but over a video of him a few months ago, giving a speech filled with harsh statements against gays,
affirmative action, women, president obama, you name it. don lemmon is in ferguson for us tonight. he joins us now. so what exactly did this officer say in this speech? >> reporter: you're going to hear some of it. i'll play it for you, anderson. i think you hit the nail on the head. this isn't going to do much to convince people that this isn't a broader problem with the police department. you're exactly right. so dan page, anderson, a 35-year veteran of the police department, was speaking in front of a group called the oathkeepers back in april. it was on videotape. and he starts making these inflammatory statements about gays, about women, about domestic violence and on and on. and today, the police department got wind of it. we notified them and they commented on it. but first, i want to play for you the very disturbing thing he said about domestic violence, saying that they should just shoot themselves before the police get there. listen. >> when -- when those -- when the inner cities start to
ignite, people are going to start killing people they don't like. and i'm going to warn the ladies on something. and this always gets me in trouble, but i've got to tell you, this domestic violence stuff, every time a man turns around and gets jammed up by his wife on this, you are heading for troubles, ladies. a man can be arrested now for domestic property damage, domestic peace disturbance, domestic destruction of property, so forth and so forth and -- how can you do that in your own house? you can be arrested for domestic trespassing. i've seen people with lines down the middle of the house. stupid! you don't like each other that much? just kill each other and get it over with. problem solved. get it done. don't be wasting cops' time. just shoot each other and get it over with. >> as harsh as that is, as ugly as it is, and it goes, obviously, against the police code of conduct, anderson, what the police department is even more concerned about are the statements that he made about killing, how he seemed to be
galolorifying killing. here he is. >> i personally believe that jesus christ is my lord, savior. but i'm also a killer. i've killed a lot. and if i need to, i'll kill a whole bunch more. if you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me. it's that simple. i have no problems with it. god did not raise me to be a coward. >> for a police officer, saying, if you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me. you spoke with the st. louis police chief just a few hours ago. what did he say about the officer's comment? >> reporter: i did, anderson. i called him right away as soon as i got the video and he called me back immediately saying, of course i will talk to you about it. and once we got on camera, he said that the officer was relieved of his duties, that he's going to have to undergo psychiatric examination, and here's more of what he said. >> some of the things he said regarding use of deadly force, things such as that, i find that
troubling. i really do. and like i said, i used to think this is so unusual, this is just so bizarre that this would be unusual for anybody, not only a police officer, but a citizen, a member of the military, this really took me back when i saw it. >> reporter: and so, anderson, another wrinkle to this story, chief belmar apologized there. and he also released a statement, just a short time ago, saying that chief belmar would again like to apologize to anyone this video has offended and ask any videos of this nature be reported, so we can take proper action against any officer not meeting our standards. so, meaning, they now want people to come forward if they hear about any action like this, if they hear about any videos. it's certainly a very disturbing, you know, tale that is happening here. and also, we should point out, this oathkeepers organization says he's not a member, but he speaks to them occasionally.
and according to the chief here, he really has -- his record as a police officer is really unremarkable. not involved in any police shootings, you know, as far as the chief knows. so it's just really those inflammatory statements now that have gotten him in trouble. >> we'll continue to follow it, don lemmon, appreciate it. we're joined now by our cnn legal analyst, sunny hostin, george geragos, and mark o'mara. sunny, you heard the police chief apologizing about this. obviously, there are a lot of good police officers and that goes without saying. and this was a very difficult circumstance that people, the police were dealing with in ferguson. but in the space of two days, you have two officers who have now been suspended from the force. and it just so happens that there were all these cameras there. and so this officer was caught on camera pushing around don lemon and the crowd, and another officer was caught on camera pointing his rifle at unarmed
protesters, saying, "i'll f'ing kill you." it raises the question, what happens when there aren't a lot of cameras around. >> it does raise that question. and in the context of the shooting of michael brown and that investigation, what concerns me is that the the st. louis county police department took over that investigation so that the ferguson county police department, they weren't investigating their own. but now, i suspect, the problem with the st. louis county police department may -- what we're seeing may be emblematic of what is going on there. >> let me just speak. at least the st. louis county police department has a greater percentage -- has a greater effort at diversity. when i talked to the mayor of ferguson last night, he said, there's no racial divide in ferguson, their police force has 50 white officers and 3 african-americans for a community that's 60 to 70% african-american. >> that's remarkable in and of itself that the mayor would say anything like that, it's almost as if he's operating with blinders on. but i do think it's going to be very problematic with the
african-american community, because now we thought we were seeing this transparent investigation. right? there's a different police force investigating the shooting. now, i think people are thinking, this police force is really troubled, and so maybe we'll see the justice department looking into it, maybe we'll see a police monitor, but i suspect, at this point, shouldn't we be seeing a special prosecutor -- >> mark geragos, this police officer, he wasn't on duty, he was off-duty in his spare time, and if this is the way he thinks, you know, so be it? >> i was going to play devil's advocate. i mean, the way he thinks and what he was saying is not that different than a lot of people that i hear or talk to in various crowds who think that nobody is either taping them or that they're not going to be under the spotlight -- >> do you think this is just political correctness, given the sensitivity right now -- >> yeah, i think it is probably a degree of political correctness. i don't think for a second that this guy believes, go shoot yourself. if he does, then he's
psychologically deranged. but i could -- i could be wrong about that, but i don't think that there's -- you know, there's a lot of people -- he kind of was starting to refer to -- what was his code word? it was kind of like, when you go in the inner city or you go in that urban year something like that, he was using some code. and that's just -- i hate to say it -- >> but he's been on the force for 35 years. doesn't that tell you that perhaps on that police department force, there is that sort of culture that's been acceptable? >> that's -- >> well, mark o'mara, what do you think of this? what's your perspective? >> a couple of things. and this might get me in trouble, so take it carefully. that officer -- and if that officer's perspective is emblematic of who he is, i think we should be more concerned about someone like him than what we know about darren wilson, so far. because this officer, evidence and ongoing frustration with the process, anger with the process, and that's going to show up, i think, in the way he treats other people on the street. we know that darren wilson
killed somebody, but we don't know why, how, or what he's like before that. this guy is much more troubling to me, if he is a law enforcement officer that's going to be still on the street. >> i don't think that this guy is all that different from a lot of other officers. i think there's a lot of officers -- >> if he -- >> well, then that's very troubling, then. >> with his frustration, you know, that rant of his about domestic property damage. i've heard that! >> but it's racist, misogynistic, homophobic. when you have someone like that licensed to carry a gun in his line of work, i think it probably is emblematic of the police force. people must know that those are his views. >> he's also talking about the new world order, the coming of martial law. >> and it doesn't help that he's wearing that shirt. >> i can't believe that he is this anomaly and no one else on the police force either knew that he had these views or shared those views. >> the silver lining -- >> let's just --
>> the silver lining, if there is one, is that a mom used to say, brush your teeth and wear clean undergarments, you never know what's going to happen to you. and now the video explosion and the social media is now giving us the opportunity to expose people and their predilections like this. because, mark, you might say this is sort of an off-the-record conversation, but we know as defense attorneys that credibility, an attack of somebody's credibility is not just when they're on the job. if this is who he is off-record, we get to use it as a credibility attack on record. >> but clearly -- >> one other sound, from his hour-long speech. >> i said, i'm going to go find illegal aliens and put them where my undocumented president lives at. so i flew to africa, and right there -- and i went to our undocumented president's home. he was born in kenya. >> so, beyond just being factually incorrect and stupid,
it is odd to have a police officer -- i mean, i would not want the guy in my house giving me orders, i would not trust this guy with a gun in front of me. >> you certainly wouldn't be happy with him in my home. i've got to tell you, again, we can't really, mark, just sort of say, well, this is how people talk, because i think it would inform his actions and perhaps inform the actions of other st. louis county police officers. >> where did i see, there's some percentage of republican voters who still believe to this day that obama is a -- was not born here. >> but they don't have guns working on the st. louis county police department. >> but there's a disproportionate number of people who believe these things and are police officers. >> let's take a quick break. we'll have more with sunny and ma mark geragos and mark o'mara. and there have been demonstrators in ferguson who support darren wilson, the officer who shot michael brown, and the online fund-raising for him has raised more money than the michael brown fund.
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confrontation with wilson supporters. police escorted them away. displays like that are exceptions on the ground in ferguson. elsewhere, it is a different story, especially online, where a legal defense fund has raised a six-figure amount in the officer's name. more tonight from jason carroll. >> reporter: the very name has stirred unrest and has invoked words about injustice and police brutality. >> mike brown! >> reporter: but to others here in ferguson, officer darren wilson's name is synonymous with justice and has become a pro-police rallying cry. >> the police have done nothing wrong and this was a rush to judgment. >> not going home, honey! it's my america too! >> reporter: the man behind so much division here in ferguson is yet to emerge following the shooting of michael brown. a ferguson police source telling cnn that officer wilson received death threats following the shooting when all the unrest broke out. the source also says wilson left ferguson last week, to an
undisclosed location for his safety. and is now on paid leave, pending the outcome of an investigation. ferguson's police chief has spoken to wilson several times since the shooting. >> he's very shaken about what happened that day and in the aftermath. >> has he said anything about his emotional state of mind? >> we talked, but he, you know, he's hurting. >> reporter: for those looking for more insight into wilson or his actions the day he shot and killed michael brown, may have to wait. wilson is not talking, has no spokesperson, and the 28-year-old has not confirmed who, if anyone, may be legally representing him. as for his record on the force -- >> great job there. >> reporter: he's a six-year veteran with no disciplinary action. >> i'm just here to try to tell people that he's a good person. >> reporter: wilson's friend, jake shepard, was one of the first to publicly defend him. >> it makes me sad, you know?
i'm obviously sad for the family of michael brown, but i'm sad for darren and his family too. every law enforcement officer dreads the time when they are forced to make that split-second decision, whether or not they have to take someone's life. >> reporter: shepard says after his interview on cnn, wilson sent him text messages. one reads, the support is really keeping me going during this stressful time. just stay safe. i appreciate all you have done. wilson then wrote the following about his situation, i can't go out. and while wilson remains in hiding, support for him continues to grow, online. a gofundme page has already raised more than $250,000. jason carroll, cnn, ferguson, missouri. >> back with our cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, sunny hostin, criminal defense attorney, mark geragos, and george zimmerman's defense attorney, mark o'mara. wilson's supporters have donated
over $250,000 for this go fund me campaign, it resembles a lot of the support that george zimmerman received after trayvon martin's death. >> an enormous amount of similarities. first the story came out, but there is a lot of financial support out there. i think what people are realizing, at the very least, there are two sides to the story. and like we said in zimmerman, there is so much we don't know yet, that the rush to judgment and the predisposition to hate one side or the other is inappropriate and it just leads to more emotions and less fact gathering. >> and mark geragos, to echo mark o'mara's point, sides are drawn on this. people automatically go to their respective corners, they view it through a particular lens. and as mark said, we don't know the forensic evidence, there have been a few eyewitnesss who have come forward, but there will be other witnesses who will testify to the grand jury. and obviously officer wilson has supporters. does it surprise you, though,
that he hasn't spoken or that other people around him haven't spoken, other than this alleged friend who called into the radio show? or is that a wise thing right now to lay low? >> i don't think it's unwise. i'm a little surprised more people haven't spoken on his behalf. and i think there's some reticence to do that because of the situation there and because there's so much -- or there was so much violence, no one really wanted to incite any more of that. but i think he's got a constituency and he's got support and he's got -- depending on where and if this case is brought, he's got -- if it is brought, i think he's got a built-in base of support. >> you know, it's remarkable to me. he's raised over $200,000 and he has all these supporters. we haven't heard from him. we haven't seen a police incident report that hasn't been heavily redacted. and so all of these people are jumping on the officer wilson bandwagon with what information? and i think, at this point, they're drawing the lines of
support, why? and it begs the question, is it because the black victim in this case has somehow been portrayed now -- he's thugified. now he's a strong-arm robber. now all the witnesses, five in all that i've heard, that seem to be giving the same exact story, now are not credible because they may have criminal histories. >> by the way, you used the word "vil "victim," so you are assuming that mike brown is a victim? >> well, he is a victim of a shooting death, right, at this point? whether or not his shooting was justified is really the question. >> i'm not arguing with you, i'm just pointing out that there are people who will say they believe officer wilson is the victim in this. >> but that's the thing, they're believing officer wilson, and we haven't really heard anything from him. >> mark o'mara, i want you to respond. >> but sunny, you simply can't suggest that the wilsonites are rushing to judgment but the brownites are not? everybody is rushing to corners in that. >> i disagree with that.
>> the facts that are out there, very few as they are, as you as a prosecutor know full well, very little is truly out there. everyone is running to their corners, maybe because they're brown supporters, because they believe as a young black male, he was targeted. and then there are supporters for wilson who are saying, he is being unjustly accused of a shooting and a good officer is a good officer until proven differently. all we're saying is no one should be rushing for judgment and you can't blame the wilsonites the for doing it and the brownites are okay? what about the shot to the cheek, what about no prior record, what about a member of the kkk? we all know as lawyers, rushing to judgment 12 or 13 days into a case does no good -- >> but there is no forensic evidence, at this point. all we have -- >> well, there is forensic evidence. we just -- it hasn't been released yet. >> right, we don't know it. >> sunny, aren't you a little troubled by kind of the drumbeat for -- when people say, "we want
justice," that means, we want an arrest or we want charging. and when you have the attorney flying out there and putting that kind of pressure on and this kind of thing, there is a drumbeat to arrest this guy. >> we've got to go. we're way over time. we know your point. sunny, we'll talk to you again, mark geragos and mark o'mara as well. coming up next, taking on isis and possibly, possibly going into syria to do it or at least bombing syria. the white house signaling the option is definitely on the table. a team of experts on what that would look like when our extended coverage continues. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can.
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we'll have more in ferguson coming up in our next hour. but the brazen murder of james foley and the threat to kill the other three americans now in isis captivity that we know about has not detenored u.s. military action against the troupe in iraq or apparently wherever the terror group may be. several new air strikes today on isis targets in iraq and from back home, a warning. >> we will do what's necessary to protect americans and see that justice is done for what we saw with the barbaric killing of jim foley. so we're actively considering what's going to be necessary to deal with that threat, and we're not going to be restricted by borders. we've shown time and again that if there's a counterterrorism
threat, we'll take direct action against that threat if necessary. >> well, joining us now with more on what that may entail as well as the steps already taken against targets in iraq, pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. so we've heard today, not restricted by borders. that sounds like a pretty clear signal that strikes on syria, inside syria, could be in the near future? >> well, i think it's very clear that they're heading step-by-step closer every day. so you begin to ask yourself the question, what would it take for the u.s. military to conduct air strikes inside syria? they are going to need better intelligence, realtime intelligence, instant information about where isis targets may be. that means with no boots on the ground, you have got to either put aircraft or drones in the air to collect that intelligence, to fly over syria, look down, and try and identify isis targets. plenty risky on its own, but it's the first step they are going to have to take before they do air strikes, anderson. >> i mean, is this all about jim
foley? because the administration has been opposed for years to striking inside syria. is it the execution of jim foley that pushed things past the breaking point? >> i think, clearly, once you saw ben rhodes today call this the first isis terrorist attack on america, essentially, it became clear that there was both a humanitarian issue here for the foleys, for the family, and also a political issue, that it was high time to get after the isis threat. so that certainly seems to be part of it. but, you know, we'd heard for years that the u.s. military couldn't go into syrian skies, that the syrian government had massive air defenses, that u.s. aircraft faced too great a risk of being shot down by syrian air defenses, their missiles being tracked by their radars. what it seems like now, one of the changes may be, they're going to go after isis targets. that's not downtown damascus, it's not the heavily populated areas, a little more sparse, perhaps less of an air defense
threat, at least that's the assessment they're making right now. >> is there any possibility of getting european nations involved here? because they kidnap western europeans, even though they pay ransom? >> yeah, from the pentagon's point of view, especially the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general martin dempsey, he wants other countries involved in this. what he has been saying is, air strikes, you know, the u.s. has learned the lesson, you cannot kill all the militants in the world with all the air strikes in the world. it just doesn't work that way. you have to kill the ideology. and that is going to take a political effort by european countries, by countries in the region, who are going to have to band together and it's going to be a very long-term effort. >> all right. barbara, thanks very much. >> sure. >> let's dig deeper now on the military counter-insurgency with barbara townsend, and phillip mudd. phil, led me ask you, for those who have worried about mission creep, when president obama sent
500 advisers into iraq, we now have a situation where the 500 advisers were sent in, then the u.s. had to do air strikes in order to protect those advisers on the ground and protect fighters, and then isis kills an american because of those air strikes, and now the u.s. is talking about more air strikes or is doing more air strikes, but also talking about striking possibly within syria. does this play into isis' hands? is this exactly what they want, by specifically and so dramatically killing an american like this? is this exactly what they are hoping for? >> i think in some ways, it's the same thing that we faced in afghanistan. that is, you have an adversary that's so proud of its accomplishments and so driven by its ideology that they want to appear on the world stage as our peer. they want an attack, because it elevates them in the eyes of people who might fund them, who might be recruits, but there's one critical point here. and one gap in this conversation, anderson, that i don't understand. i'm scratching my head, as the
former deputy director of counterterrorism at the cia. let me take you inside the ram for one minute. when your focus on counterinsurgency operations, things like taking out artillery on the border with kurdistan, the slivers of insurgencies and terror groups that are training british or american kids to come back to new york or london, are much different than the elements of those groups that are fighting on the front lines of kurdistan. i would judge that the elements in isis that are training kids to come back to europe and the united states are in syria. remember, we had that florida south side bomb suicide bomber, he was in syria. i don't understand why we have this debate in the first place. if you want to take out the people we most worry about, you have to go across the border. >> fran, do you agree? >> absolutely. in fact, that problem that phil describes gets worse when you begin to bomb an iraq and you've created yourself, allowed to maintain a safe haven in syria. they go there, they wait you out, and then they come back. it makes no sense to simply have an air strike campaign in iraq.
you've got to attract the organization, you've got to attack them wherever they have their assets, their people, their military assets, their money, right? you've got to attack it in all places at the same time. >> but can you do this from the air, phil? i mean, it doesn't seem like you're talking about a site where they're training handfuls of western europeans or americans or whatever to possibly go back to their countries and plant bombs or do whatever. that doesn't necessarily mean it's a large site. it can be a, you know, a building with some rooms in it and a couple of handfuls of people. so, is this, without intelligence on the ground, without human capabilities on the ground, can you really do this stuff from the air? >> heck, sure you can do it from the air. we have evidence of this for years. and that is pakistan. we had the taliban, we had al qaeda and afghanistan. al qaeda moved into pakistan in the winter of 2002, embedded
itself in '02, '03 in the travel areas of pakistan. the past 11 years, we've been locking and loading with drones and no boots on the ground in pakistan. i was listening to what barbara starr said. i guarantee already there are task forces at the pentagon and cia who already have targets sets in syria and are watching through intelligence the flow of fighters coming across the border. that target set exists already. the last thing i'd say, i'll bet you a paycheck that the decision to go in has already been made. they're just setting us up for it. >> fran, do you think that as well? you've been in these rooms as well. >> no, absolutely. and by the way, just because you may not have u.s. boots on the ground or u.s. targetieres on the ground, you've been working with your foreign intelligence committees, there are people on the ground that you can trust, you can train, and that can help you do the targeting from the air. phil's absolutely right, we can do this, wee done it, and done it effectively. >> western europe has plenty of
citizens involved in this as well. i don't hear a lot of talk from them striking out. they're busy paying ransoms. >> you know, anderson, we're already hearing from sources here in washington that our arab allies have been spoken to. they've all offered different kinds of support, some military, some intelligence, some weapons. allies in western europe are being spoken to. so i think behind the scenes, what's going on right now is the very coalition you're talking about is getting built as we speak. >> all right. fran townsend, phil mudd, appreciate it, thanks. coming up next, remembering james foley. my conversation with his brother, michael, tonight.
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well, we spoke before the break about the case for and the mechanics of escalating the battle against isis. the killing of american journalist james foley obviously a catalyst for some of that reassessment. i want to focus now on james foley himself, on the kind of person he was, the kind of son he was, the kind of brother. earlier today i spoke at length to his brother, michael, about all those things and all the things he'll miss. michael, i'm so sorry for your loss and for what your family is going through. first of all, how are you all holding up? >> we've had our highs and our
lows. you know, we've a large contingent of family, extended family here, which helps quite a bit. it's great seeing all my brothers and sisters, you know, my brother and sister are in town, which is very helpful. >> what do you want people to know about jim? what kind of a guy was he? >> anderson, i don't want jim to have died in vain. and from the amount of support i've seen and interest, i certainly don't believe that will be the case. but i want people to remember jim and his legacy, how he, you know, his fight for the less than privileged people, for the poor, for his love of journalism and desire to bring light, to bring the story out from places in the world that wouldn't otherwise be heard. and jim is really, really my hero. and i think he's a hero for many
people. and i really just hope that that legacy carries on. >> is that really what compelled him? i mean, he came late to the world of journalism. >> he did. >> he was 40 years old when he died. but to go to the places, repeatedly, that he went to, i mean, there are other forms of journalism one can do, but he really chose the most difficult path and the most dangerous path imaginable. was it, for you, in his the description of it, it was always about trying to give a voice to those who didn't have a voice? zbl >> it was. and i didn't appreciate it, especially after we worked for 40 days to get him out of libya, i didn't really appreciate it until he went back to libya that second time. and i started to understand it. and someone -- you know, i've been asked this question a million times, why he's gone back. and someone shared with me the analogy, you know, why does a fireman go back into that burning fire? because they believe, they believe in their core, that this
is what they're meant to do. and jim came to it late in life, but it really merged his talents and his desires and i really think he brought a lot of skill to the profession in the short amount of time he was doing it. >> it also, i think, is important to point out that, again, you know, he wasn't sort of this young, foolhardy guy going off to wars. i mean, he had been out there a long time. he had been experienced, as you said. he had been taken captive in libya. he knew how to operate on the ground. did you talk to him about the dangers? did he discuss those with you, and about his thoughts on it? >> yeah, i mean, we knew. i mean, he had a lot of experience, you're right. he was embedded with some forces in afghanistan and iraq, and then, of course, libya multiple times. syria more than once. but, you know, anyone that's following what's going on in
syria knows there is no -- there's no blueprint for safety. >> i was reading after he got out of libya the first time, "global post," i mean, he had a job stateside for a while -- >> he did. >> but it just didn't fit. he just insisted on going over. >> jim actually lived with us in massachusetts and it was a time that we cherished, my two boys really, really looked up to uncle jim. the fun uncle with no rules. but, no, domestic life wasn't for him. he had to get back and just following the coverage around the world, there's so much about my brother that i didn't know. you know, the stories of people in phoenix who have grown up, who he was their teacher 20 years ago, and have dwroun up into the person they are and remember jim and how he visited them and just all the stories that have come out, it really just underscores that this was his calling. and -- go ahead.
>> you mentioned your kids, i'm not sure how old they are, but how do you explain this to your kids? >> well, they're 7 and 4, so the 4-year-old, matthew, or matty, as jim called him, is too young to understand, but, you know, michael, michael's beginning to understand. we just told them straight. my niece, rory, who's also 7, was a little more emotionally intelligent, said her heart was broken when we spoke with her, and that just, that just sums it up. a 7-year-old says it straight, says it the best way possible. all our hearts are broken, and it's really important to me that jim's legacy carries on. and i do want to highlight the scholarship fund at marquette university that his friends have put together for disadvantaged students who want to go into communications. if you would find a way to post a link for that, i'd appreciate it. >> we'll definitely post a link and i'll tweet out a link as well. just today, the white house said
that they did everything possible. and i know you said you believe there was more the united states could have done to perhaps secure jim's release. can you expand on that a little bit? what more do you think could have been done? >> well, the united states, for a country as large as it is, has pretty limited resources, at least i can see, with respect to these situations and i think there's more that state in particular could have done. and their hands are tied in many ways by the rigid policies that we tend to follow, but i think -- i know there's more that could have been done, you know, directly contacting those and it's hard to go into much more detail than that, anderson, but i think you can understand the picture that i'm painting. several of our european journalists were freed. >> and as "the new york times" has reported, i mean, western
european nations pay large sums for their citizens. the united states does not do that. is that, for you, somethings that u.s. should do, or do you think there are other -- there was a prisoner exchange for bowe bergdahl. do you -- when you talk about more being done, do you think the united states should be more in line with what western europe does, or do you think it should be some other form? >> there's definitely an argument for that, but i think more to the point, the large nations need to be consistent. i think they need to work together. >> right, because the fact that western europe is paying the, that makes it all the more difficult for the united states not to. and if western europe was on the same page, then there would at least be an even playing field. >> that's correct, that's correct. and that's really what it boils down to. i don't have all the answers, but i do think that a more cooperative approach -- there wasn't sharing of information. you wouldn't believe how
difficult it was to get information from release journalists -- not from the journalists themselves, but from the nations, because of the ways we have these walls built. and that's not what i want to emphasize here, anderson, but it is unfortunate, and i hope, more to the point, that there's some urgency put in place for the others that there are. not just in syria, but around the world, to do what we can to release them. >> when you heard that the united states had started conducting air strikes against isis targets, for you and your family, that must have been a very personal worry. did you believe then that that might end up affecting jim's captivity? >> absolutely. and then, of course, that pit in our stomachs was underscored by the e-mail we received from his captors. and hindsight's 20/20, but it was clearly too late at that point. you know, once the bombing started. we thought we made a lot of
progress. and i don't have -- i'm not going to speak out against it. i think there's a lot of utility in what's being done there. it's just horrible what isil is doing to the citizens over there and something needs to be done. i'm just not sure that, you know, containment and some of these strikes is enough. >> yeah, i was thinking about your family when i heard that they had received an e-mail, and i just can't imagine the horror of even seeing that e-mail pop up -- >> have you read it? >> yes, i have. i mean, but just seeing, you know, checking your e-mail one day and seeing an e-mail from the people who are holding your brother, your child. i mean, i kept thinking about your parents in that situation and your whole family and i just -- there's no question there, just the horror of it really struck home for me. >> horror -- horror is a good word. it's, it's like right out of a hollywood movie, unfortunately.
you're in it. and i just know that i'm comforted by the fact that it was clear in the image, in the video that jim didn't flinch. he had the courage, i'm certain that he put himself in a position to be first in line and he wanted us to be strong. and that's the message he was sending without saying it. and, you know, i want that memory to live on. we all loved jim. and i know there are a lot of of others that look up to him. and it's just the people from all over the world, all over the country, from all walks of life have reached out to us, and it really, really means a lot. >> and the words of others who were held captive with him, a french jurnls who was with jim, who said that he was a pillar of strength for everybody else, despite what was happening to him at the time. that's also got to give your family such strength and pride. >> no, it does. no surprise, though, anderson, i'll be honest with you, but it absolutely does. and i look forward to meeting some of them in person and
understanding more. there was a letter that was memorized from one of them that really just talked about my boys and really, really was great, great to hear. >> so one of the other captives had actually memorized a letter from jim to your family? >> right, that's right. yeah, none of jim's letters got out, but he was nice enough to take the time and they did have time, to memoryiize the leathetd it was pretty long, actually. it really means a lot to us. >> michael, again, i'm just -- i'm really just stunned and so sorry for your loss. and if there's anything we can do for you or your family, please let us know. >> helping to get this word out is enough, anderson. thank you for taking the time and helping to paint a picture of who jim was. thank you. >> thank you, mike. and if you would like to make a donation to the scholarship fund that's been set up in james foley's memory, we're putting the link on our screen right
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good evening and thanks for joining us for this live edition of "360." a lot happening around the country and the world. major new development in the ferguson drama. this police officer suspended after an racial, toxic rant surfaces. and in iraq, a day of heavy, heavy sectarian bloodshed and new american air straks. while back in washington, the talk turns to hitting isis beyond the borders of iraq inside syria. we begin with the fight against isis and the growing sectarian turmoil in iraq. "new york times" correspondent ben hubbard is in baghdad and i spoke to him just a short time ago. ben, what's the situation at the mosul dam? because u.s. military say they've conducted at least three new air strikes around the dam, where there's been fighting. do you know the latest there? >> reporter: the dam
at this point in the fight. i mean, the dam was a success, but it's quite clear that this is something that they would not have been able to do if there hadn't caused their fighters to withdraw before these forces moved in. but we haven't seen a lot of successes. it seems like mostly these forces are now in a more defensive position, trying to prevent, trying to keep from losing more territory to isis, but we haven't seen a lot of examples of them actually taking
back areas that have been controlled by this extremist organization. >> also it seems, i mean, do you see an avenue for the iraqi security forces to improve anytime soon? i mean, it seems that -- i remember reading, reporting -- your reporting, other reporting for "the new york times" and elsewhere, it's the iraqi leadership cord, the generals who are in charge of some of these brigades, completely have no battlefield experience, and so in many cases were picked by nuri al maliki for political reasons. >> yeah, i think that any reform to the iraqi security forces is going to be, it's going to have to be a very long-term process. i don't think that anybody whose watching this very closely thinks that there's going to be a sudden turnaround. and i think this is one of the sadder parts of the current crisis, there doesn't appear to be a quick and easy solution. it doesn't appear the american government has put a big emphasis on the formation of a
new, more inclusive government. and why this could certainly change the atmosphere, it's probably not going to immediately cause isis to get chased out of areas where it has established footholds. it's not going to lead to immediate reforms in the security forces. these are things that take time. it takes a long time to weed out cultures of corruption and a long time to give soldiers the training they need to take on this type of a threat. even in a best-case scenario, i think we're looking at quite a long process of development here. and there's, unfortunately, plenty of ways that that could go wrong. >> yeah, sure is. ben hubbard, appreciate you being with us. thanks. >> thank you very much. >> well, all of this comes on a day marked by much tougher talk from the white house and the strong suggestion that having hit isis from the air and iraq, the campaign may soon include syria as well. barbara starr reports on what's now being contemplated. >> reporter: u.s. officials tell cnn there are long-standing and ongoing talks inside the administration about increasing air strikes in iraq and even the
possibility of tailored air strikes inside syria against specific isis targets. but officials stress, no decisions have been made by the white house. >> we're considering what's necessary to deal with that threat, and we're not going to be restricted by borders. >> reporter: and the pentagon is divulging nothing. >> we don't telegraph our punches. i think you can rest assured that the leadership here in the pentagon understands the threat posed by this group. >> reporter: talk of military options stirred up by this comment by defense secretary chuck hagel, about the threat of isis and its ranks of 10,000 fighters. >> oh, this is beyond anything that we've seen, so we must prepare for everything, and the only way you do that is you take a cold, steely, hard look at it, and get ready. >> officials are taking pains to
emphasize that any military action would only be part of a long-term strategy against isis, involving diplomacy and action from other countries in the region. u.s. military leaders continue to make the case that air strikes alone will not defeat isis. that countries in the region must band together to defeat their radical ideology. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> i want to dig deeper now, just for a few minutes, on what it may take to deal with isis, as well as the costs and risks of doing it, including hostage taking, with former u.s. navy s.e.a.l., danny loshe. thanks for being us. in terms of special operations forces, what role would they play if there were air strikes in syria? do you need people in forward positions to laser sight positions to bomb? >> well, yeah, of course, the role on the ground is that you would have embedded folks that would actually help call in the
rounds that are going to be pinpointed, dropping the mortars, and coming in from the jets overhead. so absolutely, that is a skill set that's inherent within special operations and that's what you would call a combat enabler, but right now, there's no word of putting troops on the ground, so that doesn't seem to be an option on the table at this point. >> and certainly, intelligence on the ground in syria, one would have to assume it's rather limited at this point. how much would that hamper any possible military operation? >> if you're referring to the hostages still being held as a threat for them on the ground in syria, you know, the complication is we don't really have a good ally in syria, not with the host nation government or the rebels themselves. that's the challenge of finding good intelligence sources on the ground, when we really, we have no footprint there presently. >> can the u.s. hamper a disruptive group like isis with just an air campaign? >> well, i would go back and use the analogy in afghanistan.
obviously, the taliban, which had, you know, a large number of forces, had the upper hand against the northern alliance. they couldn't defeat it by air power alone. you had to have our special operations, in particular, our green berets, embedded with the northern alliance elements to bring air power, to have that pinpoint accuracy with those combat controllers. so arguably, they would have to have some type of a game plan to do the same to defeat isis in iraq. >> in terms of hostages, "the new york times" has reported that european nations pay large sums and it's become a major source of income for groups like isis, for al qaeda-linked groups. it's fueled, probably, it's a business now. the united states, according to -- you know, supposedly does not pay. that disparity, it obviously would make it more dangerous for american hostages. do you see any chance that western european nations may rethink their policy on paying? >> well, this pattern started in iraq. in fact, it started in 2004 to
2006, where european powers, it's well known now there's no secret, france, germany, italy, and many others were paying multi-million dollar ransoms and they just escalated. and that's why you have people all over using this. this has been a scourge and a topic for a decade now, and really, the u.s. allied with our close partner partners, the bri canadians and new zealanders were the only ones who stuck to the policies of no ransoms paid. but we just made concessions to bring back bergdahl, so we essentially changed u.s. policy in that venue as well. >> in order, though, for progress to be made, i mean, does everybody need to be on the same page? would it help the situation if western european nations -- i mean, one of the men held with jim foley was a french national, who france paid for him, and he's alive today. >> well, i can just tell you
this. when i arrived in iraq in the summer of 2004, we were averaging two kidnappings a day of westerners. there were 31 kidnappings a month and when i arrived, within two months it was up to 53. and the problem was out of control. and we came up a three-tiered approach to deal with the kidnappings. number one was the focus on the rescue and recovery of all hostages, which was turn all intelligence asset towards rescuing those who were held captive. and number two was to prevent kidnappings, a campaign to educate people of how dangerous the situation on the ground was, and take steps to mitigate from that threat. and number three was bringing those responsible to justice, which was a targeted campaign that ultimately broke the back of the kidnapping rings, which is where we put our special operations forces against the major kidnapping networks in baghdad and we wiped them out. and by the time i left baghdad, the kidnappings of westerners were down to single digits. in fact, only one hostage was taken in the last two months in my tour, one western hostage. so there is a strategy you can apply. but it will be tough, because we don't have assets on the ground
and intelligence networks. we have to rebuild that all over from scratch, because we left the country in 2010 with no footprint behind. >> dan, i appreciate you being with us. thanks very much. coming up next, michael foley remembers his brother, james. more of my interview, ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ abe! get in! punch it! let quicken loans help you save your money. with a mortgage that's engineered to amaze! thanks, g. [chris] tit hugs you.s to your body. [jeffery] i don't have to think about how to get comfortable anymore. [evie] this zips off so i can wash it-yes, please. [robert]dude,tempur-pedic is killing it. [kevin] no more tossin' and turnin', trying to find a comfortable spot in bed.
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welcome back. given the news we talked about before the break, an awful lot of people are no doubt business tonight. they're looking for isis targets in iraq and probably in syria as well. intelligence officers are scouring their sources, trying to pick up new hints about where the hostages are being held. there's no doubt a lot being done that we don't know about and may never know about it. but at the end of the day, at the end of this day, we want to focus no less closely on one thing, on journalist james foley who's being mourned tonight and being remembered so fondly by so
many people. we think you should know, think you'll be glad to know what kind of country person, what kind of son he was, what kind of brother he was. earlier today win spoke at length to his brother, michael, about all those things and all the things they'll miss. michael, i'm so sorry for your loss and for what your family is going through. first of all, how are you all holding up? >> we've had our highs and our lows. you know, we have a large contingent of family, extended family here, which helps quite a bit. it's great seeing all my brothers and sisters, you know, my brother and sister, are in town, which is very helpful. >> what do you want people to know about jim? i mean, what kind of guy was he? >> anderson, i don't want jim to have died in vain. and from the amount of supportive seen and interest, i certainly don't believe that will be the case, but i want people to remember jim and his legacy, how he, you know, his
fight for the less than privileged people, for the poor, for his love of journalism and the desire to bring light, to bring the story out from places in the world that wouldn't otherwise be heard. and jim's really, really my hero. and i think he's a hero for many people, and i really just hope that that legacy carries on. >> is that really what compelled him? i mean, he came late to the world of journalism. >> he did. >> he was 40 years old when he died. but to go to the places, repeatedly, that he went to, i mean, there are other forms of journalism one can do, but he really chose the most difficult path and most dangerous path imaginable. was it, for you, in his description of it, it was always about trying to give a voice to those who didn't have a voice? >> it was. and i didn't appreciate it,
especially after, you know we worked for 40 days to get him out of libya, i didn't really appreciate it until he went back to libya that second time, and i started to understand it, and someone, you know, i've been asked this question a million times, why he's gone back and someone shared with me the analogy, you know, why does a fireman go back into that burning fire, because they believed in their core that this is what they're meant to do, and jim came to it late in life, but it really merged his talents and his desires and i really think he brought a lot of skill to the profession in the short a lot of time he was doing it. >> it also, i think, is important to point out that, again, you know, he wasn't sort of this young foolhardy guy going off to wars. i mean, he had been out there a long time. he had been experienced, as you said. he had been taken captive in libya. he knew how to operate on the ground. did you, did you talk to him
about the dangers, did he discuss those with you and about his thoughts on it? >> yeah, yeah w, i mean, we knew -- he had a lot of experience, you're right, he was embedded with some forces in afghanistan and iraq, and of course, libya multiple times, syria more than once. but, you know, anyone that's following what's going on in syria knows there is no, there's no blueprint for safety. >> i was reading, after he got out of libya the first time, global post, he had a job stateside for a while, but -- >> he did. >> but it just didn't fit. >> he insisted on going over. >> jim actually lived with us in massachusetts, and it was a time that we cherished. my two boys really, really looked up to uncle jim, the fun uncle with no rules and, but no, domestic life wasn't for him. >> you mentioned your kids. i'm not sure how old they are, but how do you explain this to
your kids? >> well, they're 7 and 4. so the 4-year-old, matthew, or matty as jim called him, is too young to understand. but michael, michael's beginning to understand. we just told them straight. my niece, rory, who's also 7, was a little more emotionally intelligent, said her heart was broken when we spoke with her, and it really -- that just -- that just sums it up. a 7-year-old says it straight, says it the best way possible. all our hearts are broken and it's really important to me that jim's legacy carries on and i do want to highlight the scholarship fund at marquette university that his friends have put together for disadvantaged students who want to go into communications. if you would find a way to post a link for that, i'd appreciate it. >> we'll definitely post a link and i'll tweet out a link as well. i was thinking about your family when i heard that they had received an e-mail. and i just can't imagine the horror of even seeing that e-mail pop up -- >> have you read it?
>> i've -- yes, i have. i mean, but, just seeing, you know, checking your e-mail one day and seeing an e-mail from the people that are holding your brother, your child. i mean, i just -- i kept thinking about your parents in that situation and your whole family, and i just, i don't know, there's no question there, just the horror of it really struck home for me. >> horror -- horror is a good word. it's like, it's right out of a hollywood movie, unfortunately, you're in it. and i just know that i'm comforted by the fact that it was clear in the images and the video that jim didn't flinch. he had the courage. i'm certain that he put himself in a position to be first in line, and he wanted us to be strong, and that's the message he was sending without saying it. and you know, i want that memory to live on. we all love jim and i know there's a lot of others that look up to him and it's just, the people from all over the world, all over the country,
from all walks of life have reached out to us, and it really, really means a lot. >> michael, again, i'm just -- i'm really just stunned and so sorry for your loss. and if there's anything we can do for you or your family, please let us know. >> helping to get this word out is enough, anderson. thank you for taking the time and helping to paint the picture of who jim was. thank you. >> thank you michael. >> the link for that scholarship fund is on our website. i also tweeted it out, you can check my twitter. it's also there at the bottom of the screen. coming up next, ferguson, yet another major development. another police officer and the one here shoving don lemon has now been suspended, not for what he's doing there, but for some very toxic things he said.
welcome back. there's been an eye-opening development in the already racially charged and highly polarized tragedy in ferguson. a county police officer, dan page, has now been relieved of his duty. he's the one who pushed cnn's don lemon while don on the air earlier this week. his suspension stems from footage of him a few months ago filled with him giving a speech filled with negative statements about gays, affirmative action, you name. so what do we know about this suspension? >> reporter: we know it's because of these controversial and inflammatory statements that he made at an oathkeepers' meeting back in april. he made them on tape. one thing he said that was controversial, he talked about violence, anderson. listen. >> when those -- when the inner cities start to ignite, people are going to start killing people they don't like. and i'm going to warn the ladies
on something. and this always gets me in trouble, but i've got to trouble, this domestic violence stuff, every time a man turns around and gets jammed up by his wife on this, you are heading for troubles, ladies. a man can be arrested now for domestic property damage, domestic peace disturbance, domestic destruction of property, so forth and so forth and so forth -- how can you do that in your own house? you can be arrested for domestic trespassing. i've seen people with lines down the middle of the house. stupid! if you don't like each other that much, just kill each other and get it over with. problem solved. get it done. don't be wasting cops' time. just shoot each other and get it over with. >> reporter: well, as bad as that is, what's more concerning to the people is how he talks about indiscriminately killing people and he appears to be glorifying killing people. listen to this, anderson. >> i personally believe in jesus christ as my lord savior, but i'm also a killer.
i've killed a lot. and if i need to, i'll kill a whole bunch more. if you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me. it's that simple. i have no problems with it. god did not raise me to be a coward. >> i guess his reference to killing people in the past was perhaps a reference to his service in the millet. he said he had been a green beret. i don't understand his threat -- or his willingness to people if they step in front of him now. i understand he also made some controversial statements about president obama. >> reporter: yeah, it goes back, anderson, to that old president obama, where was he born, where are his ties? d kenya. >> i said, i'm going to go find where that illegal alien who claims to be my president, my undocumented president, lives at. so i flew to africa and right there -- and i went to our undocumented president's home. he was born in kenya. >> i mean, beyond just arguing the facts, just the idiocy that
a police officer that's sworn to protect and serve people would still believe that, which has been proven time and time again, how did the st. louis police chief react to this? >> reporter: they're not happy about it. as you mentioned, they put him on leave and by all accounts, he's going to be fired or forced to retire. the chief came out and spoke to me about exactly how he feels about it. here's what he said. >> some of the things he said regarding use of deadly force, things such as that, i find that troubling. i really do. and like i said, i just think this is so unusual. this is just so bizarre that this would be unusual for anybody. >> right. >> not only a police officer, but a citizen, a member of the military, this really took me back when i saw it. >> reporter: so chief belmar also said in a statement, he said, chief belmar would again like to apologize to anyone this video has offended, and ask any
videos of this nature be reported so we can take proper action against any officer not meeting our standards. so they are looking for possible other incidents or instances where officers may have these sorts of feelings or there are other videotapes out there like this, anderson. >> is the officer speaking at all? have we reached out to him? >> reporter: we have reached out to him. so far, he has not been in contact with us. he has not gotten back to us. but we did try to get in touch with him. >> all right. don, appreciate the reporting. thanks very much. think about that last report, when you consider this. the mayor of ferguson saying there's no, quote, racial divide. he says there's no racial divide in his city. i talked to him last night in the program and he claims that most residents feel the same way. i spoke to the mayor last night and i asked him if he still stood by that statement. i heard you say, you don't believe any resident here believes there's a racial divide. and i mean, i -- >> and maybe that was too strong of a statement. you know, i obviously wanted to impress upon people that the
majority of residents in ferguson, you know, don't -- i don't believe felt that way. >> but the majority of residents in ferguson are african-american, and they are being policed by a force which does not represent them in terms of race. and i'm not saying race is the only criteria here, but -- >> you're kind of making it the only criteria. >> no, actually, because any company in america, you know, has diversity programs. >> and we do -- >> have you guys not heard of diversity programs? you have three african-american officers and 50 white officers. does that make any sense to you? >> we have a couple more than that, but we also have hispanic officers and asian officers. so we have -- >> your force is 90% white. joining me now are missouri assassinate senator, maria chappel chappelle nedal. i want to get your take on the mayor's comments. his belief that there is no racial divide in ferguson. even though city council with five out of six seats are white,
six out of seven on the school board are white, and 90% of the police force is white. >> well, anderson, i have to tell you that this is a tale to have two cities, frankly. and when i am on the streets in my community, i hear a lot of people who have been angry for a very long time, and with this incident, with mike brown, people understand that we have to start having honest conversations. that's not happening right now. and so we have to be honest with ourselves, even today, when i was at the local coffee shop, there were people who were selling signs that said, i love ferguson. and i went to the streets, talking to the protesters, and they said, you know, we have a different impression about ferguson. and this has lasted far too long and we have to do something about it. >> you know, i have a lot of respect for police officers, it's an extraordinarily difficult job, but, you know, in the last two days, we've seen basically now two police officers who were on scene there, basically now being forced, suspended or taken off
active duty. one for pointing a rifle at unarmed protesters, saying, "i'll f'ing kill you," and now this other officer from st. louis county making these comments. senator, what do you make of these comments that have now come out, made by this st. louis county officer? >> well, i have to tell you, this is not the first time that cnn has reported statements that have been made by police officers. if you recall, my constituents were called animals and treated us like animals. and so we really need to get rid of people who are in the police force who feel this way, feel as though it's okay to call an individual outside of their names. and i have to tell you, i do ri ride-alongs with the st. louis county police department and i have a lot of friends who are police officers and i'm very proud of that fact. but i in no way condone an officer who treats someone inhumane. so there is a cleansing that needs to go on in the st. louis county police department. the sooner, the better. because my residents in my
district do not deserve it whatsoever. >> andrew, this officer is one of the officers doing crowd control in the last couple of weeks. as a citizen in that community within and you were there as a protesters, what do you make of his comments and especially based on what you saw over the last couple of nights there? >> well, i would say that the officer's comments are outrageous and suggest that they're not doing proper filtering and screening for police officers. their primary job should be restraint and to protect and serve. and this guy has already got an ax to grind, and that makes a situation in a poor community, where they've had difficult relationships with the police before, it gets tense very quickly when he's already amped up with these opinions, barely under the surface, and then people are trying to live their lives, but feel it becomes combative very quickly in all these circumstances. >> andrew, i understand you went up to the ferguson mayor last night, but you disagree with what he said about there not being a racial divide in that community.
how did that conversation go? >> i'm not a confrontational person by nature, so it was pretty awkward and it was a polite conversation, but i said -- i basically said, i couldn't believe you suggested on the other network that there wasn't a racial divide. and then there was a question that followed up and said, well, are you speaking for yourself or are you saying that the entire people of ferguson wouldn't say there's a racial divide? and he went the whole way and he said, i think all the people would say there's not a racial divide. and i said, listen, the only evidence you need to see of a racial divide in north county, and i've been here 25 years, is massive white flight. look what's happened in ferguson over the last 20 years or so, how the percentages have flipped, and to suggest it's for other reasons is like putting your head in the sand. and frankly, just being audacious enough to suggest, on behalf of everyone else, that there isn't a racial divide, was sort of an embarrassingly simple-minded statement. he really, he shouldn't have
gone there. he can speak for himself, but that was too far. >> senator maria chappelle-nadal, appreciate you for being on. and andrew teslove as well. >> coming up, there have been supporters in ferguson who support darren wilson, the police officer who killed michael brown, and the online fund-raising page has raised more money so far than the michael brown fund. a closer look at wilson supporters, next. imagine the luxury... of not being here. the power you want with the fuel economy you dream of. performance with a conscience. this is volvo innovating for you.
tonight win i want to take a closer look at who officer darren wilson is and the people rallying behind him. you don't see a lot of people in ferguson itself supporting him, although you do see some. two nights ago, a pair of ferguson supporters were in a confrontation with protesters. elsewhere, it's a different story. especially online where fund-raising page has raised a six-figure amount in the officer's name. more tonight from jason carroll. >> reporter: his very name has stirred unrest and has invoked words about injustice and police brutality. >> mike brown! >> reporter: but to others here in ferguson, officer darren wilson's name is synonymous with justice and has become a pro-police rallying cry. >> the police have done nothing wrong and this was a just a rush to judgment. >> go home! go home! >> not going home, honey. it's my america too! >> reporter: the man behind so much division here in ferguson has yet to emerge following the
shooting of michael brown. a ferguson police source telling cnn officer wilson received death threats following the shooting when all the unrest broke out. the source also says wilson left ferguson last week, to an undisclosed location for his safety, and is now on paid leave pending the outcome of an investigation. ferguson's police chief has spoken to wilson several times since the shooting. >> he's very shaken about what happened that day, and in the aftermath. >> has he said anything about his emotional state of mind? >> we talked, but, you know, he's hurting. >> for those looking for more insight into iwilson or his actions the day he shot and killed michael brown, may have to wait. wilson is not talking, has no spokesperson, and 28-year-old has not confirmed who, if anyone, may be legally representing him. as for his record on the force -- >> great job there. >> he's a six-year veteran, with
no disciplinary action. >> i'm just here to try to tell people that he's a good person. >> reporter: wilson's friend, jake shepard, was one of the first to publicly defend him. >> it makes me sad, you know? i'm, obviously, sad for the family of michael brown, but i'm sad for darren and his family too. every law enforcement officer dreads the time when they are forced to make that split-second decision, whether or not they have to take someone's life. >> reporter: shepard says after his interview on cnn, wilson sent him text messages. one reads, the support is really keeping me going during this stressful time. just stay safe. i appreciate all you have done. wilson then wrote the following about his situation, "i can't go out." and while wilson remains in hiding, support for him continues to grow, online. a go fund me page has already raised more than $250,000. jason carroll, cnn, ferguson, missouri. #
>> another view now. ant any gray is an attorney for mike brown's family. he's co-counsel for benjamin crump. thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> the incident report in the shooting that was finally made public today, that's something you've been pushing for. there's essentially no new information about what happened that day, no written details. were you surprised by that? >> i was not surprised by it. i expect a full and thorough report to be issued by st. louis county. i believe the report that you have in your possession and that has been circulated is a report from ferguson pd, and so it's my understanding that they transferred the investigatory responsibility to st. louis county, and i will await the conclusion of that report. >> and michael brown's father, i believe, visited the memorial for his son today, at the location where his son was killed. there's two memorials, very close to each other. people have laid out flowers and candles, balloons, and teddy bears. what was that like for him?
>> well, you know, i didn't talk to him personally today. i talked to him -- well, i basically learned about his feelings through other people that were with him. and you can imagine it was a somber moment for him. it was very touching. and they're just trying to get through this process and coping with the death of a child, under these circumstances. so that's where they are right now. so it hasn't changed, arounders. >> and the funeral is on monday. do you know more details about how it's going to work out, what the plan is? >> well, we know from a global standpoint, we just want it to be dignified and graceful. i do not have the finalized lineup. i'm not sure who's all going to appear or have words, but at the end of the day, we just want it to be respectful, peaceful, and a good home going for this young man who lost his life in a very tragic way. >> anthony grey, appreciate you being with us. just ahead, she beat the
odds, beat ebola. american nancy writebol is back with her family. it's an extraordinary story of survival and faith. her son joins me ahead. we make surprising things. things that push limits and shift perceptions. we make things that go farther, and exceed expectations. the all-new chrysler 200. america's import.
truly horrific news around the world, there was a remarkable story of survival and faith. the two americans who contracted ebola in west africa nearly died, left an atlanta hospital with a clean bill of health. dr. kent brantly and nancy writebol are virus free according to their doctors. dr. brantly spoke at a press conference at emory university hospital where they both were treated after being airlifted from liberia. >> today is a miraculous day. i am thrilled to be alive, to be well, and to be reunited with my family. i'm glad for any attention my sickness has attracted to the plight of west africa in the midst of this epidemic. please, continue to pray for liberia and the people of west africa. >> nancy writebol was discharged on tuesday. she left the hospital quietly without giving any interviews. in a statement, her husband said she's still weak from her ordeal and will continue her recuperation while reuniting with her family. her son, jeremy writebol, joins us tonight. first of all, it's so great to
meet you and so great that we're here under these happy circumstances. i want to start off by saying that. how is your mom doing? how is your dad doing? >> they're doing well. yeah, that's been the part of this whole story, is seeing mom and dad reunited together, mom recovering from the ebola virus, and actually surviving it. >> did you have any doubt that she would survive? >> oh, yeah. >> you did? >> when we got the phone call from dad about four weeks ago, i had in my mind that mom wouldn't make it. >> really? >> just because of the high mortality rate associated with ebola. and she was in liberia. there was no idea that she would be evacuated or any of that would be in play at all. >> and at that point, you didn't even know about the serum that -- >> not at all. >> because i hadn't heard -- most people, it came as a complete surprise to. >> right, right. we hadn't heard any of that. we had been told on monday after mom had been diagnosed that evacuation was out of the picture. >> really? >> there was no way that was going to happen. so from that monday until thursday evening of that week, we just -- we didn't have that
as an option. and then thursday evening, i got a call from the president of sim, saying, we're going to evacuate your mom and dad and get them home. and we started hearing reports of, they're going to emory and all of this, and just everything flipped at that moment. >> i heard that when your mom got out of the isolation, when the hospital released her, the first thing she said is, to god be the glory. >> right. >> explain her faith and how that helped her through this. >> mom and dad are very devout christians. they've answered his call to go overseas and to serve other people. and so for the last 15 years, they've been doing that in places like south america and africa and now liberia. and they said, let's go and care and love for people who are hurting and broken and in need. and that's been the compelling force of their life. >> i understand that when word of the serum became known to your mom and dr. brantly, that initially, he had said that your
mom should get the first dose, but then he started to deteriorate, and asked for himself to get the first dose. your mom agreed to that. >> mm-hmm. >> that says a lot about your mom. >> i think it says both a lot about dr. brantly and my mom, and they were acting christ-like and they were trying to care for and love one another. and from what we understand, the serum had several treatments with it, and they tried >> it had to be defrosted naturally. >> exactly. >> mom was telling me that her treatment was -- they placed it under her arm to help tlhaw it quickly. when she found out brantly needed it, she was ready to give it up. >> did your mom have doubts about taking this serum? it was experimental. >> i'm sure there were. i'm not sure how much they knew about it. they had to have those discussions. they felt like in life or death,
one way or another, it was worse the try. if that helped others learn to defeat ebola and help other people, then go for it. >> do you know how your mom contracted it? it's often the caregivers, the people working with those who have been infected, they're the ones who get sick. we've seen doctors and countless numbers of nurses and attendants die. it's coming in contact with bodily fluids, with all the things that one comes in contact with when you're caring for somebody. >> sure. there's some questions that they're asking each other. about when they were exposed, and there's a potential a health care worker who didn't report himself to any facility there, that he might have had it. when the health care worker came into work one day, he was sick. through their contact with him, unknowingly, that might have been where they contracted it. >> it's an extraordinary blessing and i appreciate you being here to tell us about your
mom. she sounds like an amazing lady. >> glad to do that. >> both nancy writebol and her husband have spent years dedicating their lives to helping other. they got the calling later in their lives, after raising their kids. they took one of their kids to ecuador with them. watch my entire interview on our website. just ahead, the newburger bar that opened their doors when michael was shot and refused to shut them. ♪ start a team. join a team. walk to end alzheimer's. visit alz.org/walk today.
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tonight's american journey, the last two weeks in ferguson, missouri, have been a test for the community in a lot of ways. at times, the streets were in chaos. it wasn't the ideal time to open a new business. a new restaurant opened its doors night after night through the thick of it. what happened next is remarkable. >> reporter: charles davis will look back on these last two weeks in ask himself, how did he make it? right now, he's too exhausted to think about that. >> welcome to ferguson, where the food will tap dance on your taste buds. >> reporter: he opened for business the day will ever michael brown was shot and killed just around the corner from his restaurant. it's been trial by fire for d e davis. he's never run a restaurant. >> in this experience, the last week and a half, almost two weeks, has been crazy.
>> it's been very, very crazy. i don't feel threatened or intimidated or scared by it. i don't feel any of those things. >> reporter: davis' burger bar has been the only business left standing at night. some places have re-opened during the day, but when the sun goes down on this stretch of road and the demonstrations start, davis refuses to lock his doors. >> you never stopped and said, why am i still open? >> not once. people have came up and said, thank you for being open. >> reporter: on some nights, looters ripped around the stores around him, but the burger bar stands. >> you will be subject for arrest. >> reporter: open late into the night, even when the tension erupts, and often a safe haven for frightened protesters to hide from the violence. >> they were firing off tear gas right here on my lot. i'm standing in my window seeing these big truck tanks, artillery, just drive by. i'm sitting here watching and they're shooting off tear gas on
the lot. the smoke is coming up, and i sat there and watched. >> reporter: so many people have counted on his burgers late at night, that the wait is often close to an hour. the tables are a front-row seat to the violence. do you feel staying open was a message? did you think about that? >> opening is letting them know, i'm sure and i'm not going anywhere. i don't care what you do. if you break the windows, i'll board them up. if you steal food, i'll buy more. i'm going to keep cooking and still try to serve the people. >> reporter: charles davis has survived another long day. it might be closing time, but the lights will come back on tomorrow. cnn, ferguson, missouri. it's going to keep on cooking. let's get the latest on the other stories. >> anderson, the defense department says there was an aggressive encounter between a fighter jet and navy plane. the chinese fighter jet made passes at the navy plane in the
south china sea, coming as close as 20 feet at one point. the white house calls it a provocation and says the united states has lodged an objection with the chinese government. the united states says a move by russia to divert dozens of trucks from an aid convoy to rebel-held eastern ukraine is a violation of ukraine's sovereignty. there is questions about whether the convoy could be a mission to resupply armed separatists. the bodies of 20 passengers aboard the malaysian flight arrived more than a month after the plane was shot out of the sky. families gathered for a ceremony. listen to this, researchers have discovered a 500 million year old fossil site. researchers collected more than 1,000 samples, and they've identified more than 55 ancient
animals. >> thanks very much. that dusz oes it for us. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. >> good evening. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon, and we are live on the streets of ferguson, missouri, where it's just about two weeks from the death of michael brown. his funeral is set for monday on what will be a crucial weekend here. stunning news to tell you about. an officer on ferguson crowd control, an officer i had a run in with earlier this week has been relieved of duty. that's after a video of him ranting against the president, the supreme court, women and gays. it's strong stuff, and now another officer has been suspended for other comments. we'll have more in a moment. plus, as people in ferguson demand justice, the white house may be one step closer tonight to taking action to get justice for murdered american journalist james foley. u.s.