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his wife francois and his daughter tonya. bob simon, may he rest in peace. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. in the situation room. our news review with brook bau man starts right now. hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being with me today. you're watching cnn and right now i wanted to share some live pictures with you. incredibly solemn moments here in raleigh, north carolina as this prayer service is under way for the three muslim students murdered in north carolina. despite what police are saying the family and friends of these three young victims insist they were killed because of their faith, and it's now faith, the father says that is the only thing easing his grief over the loss of his two daughters. >> that's the only comfort i can
ever have. it's never pain free. but we're hoping that one day we'll be with them in the right place in the right way. >> they are to be buried within hours. right now, as we've been showing you, this prayer service is happening. and just last night -- i mean just stunning beautiful photos here from my alma mater. this is the university of north carolina at chapel hill. this is the pit, this is the middle of campus. hundreds and hundreds of people pay tribute at this vigil remembering the selfless deeds and good hearts of these three victims. baracot was a second year dental student there. his wife was about to begin the very same program in the fall, and resin was studying architecture not too far away in raleigh at north carolina state. their futures were cut short after this man, investigators say, craig steven hicks shot each of the victims in the head.
chapel hill police say they are not ruling out this is a hate crime, but at this point in time the attack appears to be over parking at the apartment complex where the shooter and this couple lived. however, family members say the couple felt hicks picked on them because of their faith. baracot's sister broke down speaking with my colleague anderson cooper about this. i want you to watch. >> that basically he had said because of the way you look i'm not comfortable with a, the way you look -- i'm really sorry. >> it's okay. >> this is really hard. >> i know. >> i go from being in denial to being really numb to being really angry. i came here today in hopes of shining light on the legacy and
yousef and resin, they all had so much to offer, and i just hope we continue that legacy for them in their name and their honor and that all of us as americans collectively -- not let their deaths go in vain. >> we'll be talking to a cousin and an aunt next hour but with me right now, religion editor for cnn.com, daniel burke. daniel i know you've been poring over the suspect's entire religious postings on social media. is there anything to pin down that he in fact hates muslims? >> when it comes to craig hicks' facebook page he's kind of an equal opportunity critic when it comes to religion. he espouses a view of atheism.
if you think of someone who doesn't believe in god, they are someone who doesn't think anyone else should either. so when you po arere over his facebook page, you see him making fun of religion in general, making fun of god. most of these are toward bill maher, roger dockins. i didn't really see anything in particular against islam. there was a post one time where they wanted to build a mosque near ground zero in new york where he calls out conservative critics who didn't want the plan to go forward saying you guys are being hypocrites. if you want your freedom, muslims should be allowed, too. he also called out conservatives
who spread rumors about president obama being muslim. he said so what if he is muslim? it's okay to have a muslim president. his views on religion are very anti-religious but nothing specific against islam, but of course this is cold comfort to the victims' families down in north carolina who certainly see this as a hate crime directed at their loved ones. >> they sure do. you mentioned a couple people who were quoted on this facebook page. i'm curious what other atheists in general, how they have reacted to these senseless murders. >> it's been interesting, brooke. it's kind of role reversal. for years we've had people like richard dockins and sam harris argue that islam is inherently violent and all islams share some sort of culpability for atrocities carried out in the name of their religion. so when craig hicks' atheist views came to light yesterday,
you had a number of critics denouncing them saying atheism is not about violence it's about letting people have whatever views they want to have even though we disagree with them but also this guy does not represent atheism. it's kind of a peaceful belief as others are peaceful. other atheists say, we should take a look about the rhetoric we're using about religion especially islam, whether we're foaming at the mouth of this hatred. it's been in the hot seat for the last decade at least, and maybe atheists should tone down the rhetoric, they're saying and kind of turn down the heat a little bit. >> daniel burke, thank you so much. we know police are investigating could this be a hate crime. what specifically did yousef and her husband experience with this suspect craig hicks? we know yousef her father said he honestly believes this is targeted.
he said hicks only started bothering the newlyweds once yousor moved in back in december. take a listen. >> my daughter honest to god, told us on more than two occasions that this man came knocking at the door and fighting about everything with a gun on his belt more than twice. she told us daddy, i think he hates us for who we are and how we look. my son-in-law lived there for a year and a half and he never had a problem. he never complained. so my daughter moves in in december and she wears the muslim garb and she looks clear and her friends and sister visit, and this all starts happening. she moves in and all of a sudden there is a problem, there is
gun, and there is hate there is backtalk. >> kami simmons is a professor of law at wake forest university and a hate crime expert. kami obviously we're not on oert side of the investigation, but from what you can gain who are police talking to what are they looking at to determine if in fact this was motivated based upon these victims' faith, culture? >> yes. thank you, brooke. >> actually, forgive me let me cut you off right now. i definitely want to return to this but we have to go to the white house and i want to listen to president obama speak about something he's about to sign for veterans. >> a moving tribute to your friend and your brother in arms. i think it's clear that clay hunt lives on in you and your devotion to his memory and your commitment to our country, so jake, on behalf of all of us but especially i think, on behalf of clay's family and all
of his friends and fellow veterans who loved him, too, thanks for your extraordinary service. today we honor a young man who isn't here but should be here. clay hunt was a proud texan. as a boy, i understand he collected turtles, which was ironic for a kid who, by all accounts never sat still. he loved the outdoors. he knew every inch of his grandparents' ranch where he fished and hunted all year long. a decorated marine he served with distinction in iraq and afghanistan. he suffered physical injuries that healed and he suffered invisible wounds that stayed with him. and by all accounts he was selfless and he was brave. when he died in 2011 it was a heartbreaking loss for his family his fellow marines and
our nation. because clay had already done a great deal of good in the world. and the truth is he was just getting started. so we're here today to pick up where clay left off. the best way to honor this young man who should be here is to make sure that more veterans like him are here for all the years to come and able to make extraordinary contributions building on what they've already done for our safety and our security. clay was a passionate advocate for veterans. and now more than ever that's something we're all called to be. after 13 years, our combat mission in afghanistan is over and a new generation of veterans is coming home. like clay they are talented and they are ready to roll up their sleeves and begin the next
chapter of their lives. starting companies, going back to school reentering the work force, raising families becoming leaders in every field. and whether they found a new path or just out in civilian life -- one thing is certain. every single one. at the same time a number of our troops and veterans are still struggling. they're recovering from injuries they're mourning fallen comrades. they're trying to reconnect with family and friends who can never fully understand what they went through. for them the war goes on and the flashbacks that came rushing forward and the nightmares that don't go away. and that tension between then and now that struggled to make the transition from moore to
home is one that hunt knew all too well. in iraq and afghanistan, he lost good friends. after one buddy died clay slept in his empty bunk for a while to stay close just a little longer. a few weeks later, another friend was fatally shot right in front of him. there was nothing clay could do to save him, but he was still racked with grief and guilt. when he got home he found it hard to go to sleep or to football games or anywhere that was loud or crowded. part of what made him remarkable was he was able to name the problem. he understood it. like many of our troops and veteran. as a country, we've been able to deal with diseases like
post-traumatic stress. more counselors have been put in place to improve status of care. it's not a sign of weakness to ask for help it's a sign of strength. clay hunt was that way, he asked for help. in fact he did everything we urge people with post-traumatic stress to do. he reached out to his family. they embraced him with love. he opened up to other veterans and they were there for him, too. he sought treatment not once but repeatedly and he filled it with service. he went to haiti to help people rebuilt after the cyclone. he even appeared in a public service announcement encouraging veterans having a tough time to reach out for help.
. clay received care through the va. but his struggle towas consistent and by the time the severity was recognized it was too late. clay had taken his life just weeks before and he was 28 years old. amid unimaginable grief. clay's family jake and his fellow veterans made it their mission the pain they endure. they reached out far and wide. they made personal appeals to congress. and thanks to their tireless efforts, and we are particularly grateful to clay's family being able to transform grief into
action action. today i will sign the clay hunt save act into law. save stands for suicide prevention for american veterans. it helps in political gaps. it provides clear support and helps veterans trans porting to civilian life. it makes it easier for veterans to find the care they need when they need it. and it includes strict accountability measures so we can track and continually improve these efforts as we learn more. now, this law is not a complete solution. we still have a lot of work to do. our secretary of veterans affairs, bob mcdonald, is here and doing a terrific job pushing reforms to get our veterans the care that they deserve.
but one of the messages i want to make sure to deliver today, and i know the first lady and joe biden and others have been delivering this continually through their joining forces effort this is not just a job for government. every community, every american can reach out and do more with and for our veterans. this has to be a national mission. as a nation we will not be satisfied until every man and woman in uniform, every veteran gets the help they need to stay strong and healthy. this law will not bring clay back as much as we wish it would. but the reforms that it puts in place would have helped. and they'll help others who are going through the same challenging process that he went through. this is a good day. and we pay tribute to everyone who helped make it possible. we want to thank clay's family
especially his mom and stepfather susan and richard selke. his father and stepmother stacy and ian hunt. you guys never stopped fighting for clay. and for all the families who have lost sons and daughters as well. and as commander in chief and as a father i can't think of a more beautiful and special way to honor your son. so we thank you very much. [applause] >> we want to thank jake and all those who served with clay who protected him and loved him like a brother, and all the veterans service organizations who fought for this law and advocated so
passionately for those who served. we thank all the military families who have lost a loved one, families here today who channeled their grief into helping others. they believe, as we all do that we have to end this tragedy of suicide among our troops and veterans. i want to thank the members of congress republican and democrat who worked to get this done. i want to give a special acknowledgment to someone who knows a little bit about the service, senator john mccain. [applause] >> dick blumenthal we're grateful for your efforts. representative jeff miller. my home girl from the chicago area tammy duckworth. couldn't be prouder of her. [applause]
>> and tim waltz, thank you so much for the great work. [applause] >> just to be clear about the bipartisanship here this is one of those areas where we can't have an argument. now, clay's parents are texas republicans. that's not just run of the mill republican. and they worked with this entire spectrum conservatives, liberals and that's just a reminder of what we can accomplish when we take a break from you know the partisan bickering that so often dominates this town and focus on what really matters to the american people. i wish i had gotten a chance to know clay. but in a way i feel that i do
because there are a lot of incredible men and women all across this country who, like clay just love their country and want to serve. michelle and i have had a chance to meet so many of them. it's such an incredible privilege. i think of the soldiers i sat down with at fort bliss a few years ago, and they told me they were proud to serve but struggled with challenges like post-traumatic stress. told me about the challenges they had in getting support and treatment and managing their medications. staying strong for their families and fellow soldiers and most of all, the challenge of asking for help which is hard to do for folks who are used to helping others. i think of staff sergeant ty carter whom i awarded the medal of honor. he survived an unimaginable battle in afghanistan and
carried a badly wounded comrade to safety, as tough as they come. but he too, acknowledged before the ceremony and talked about it publicly his struggles with post-traumatic stress. at first he resisted even seeking help but eventually he reached out for the care he needed. today he is transitioning to civilian life. he started his own business. and he travels across the country as an advocate helping veterans and other americans turn their struggles into a source of strength. i think of the college student who recently wrote me a letter on christmas day. this is as tough a letter as i've received since i've been president. she talked about her father who is a retired marine. and told me about how her dad used to love to hunt and fish and spend time with her and her little brother, but gripped with post-traumatic stress he became less like himself and withdrew
from the family. and yet despite these struggles, she wrote, i knew that my dad was still in there somewhere. he's still my father and i'm still his little girl. and she was writing, she said to ask for help. help her father find his way back. not for my family mr. president, she said i'm asking you to help the others. other families like hers. and she said don't forget about them. and that's really what today is about. don't forget. so today we say again, to every person in uniform, every veteran who has ever served we thank you for your service, we honor your sacrifice, but sometimes talk is cheap. and sometimes, you know particularly at a time when we've got an all-volunteer force
force, so often we can celebrate them at a ball game but too many are insulated from the impacts. we got to also act. we can't just talk. so we're ready to help you begin the next chapter of your lives. and if you are hurting, know this you are not forgotten, you are not alone, you are never alone. we are here for you. america is here for you, all of us and we will not stop doing everything in our power to get you the care and support you need to stay strong and keep supporting this country we love. we need you. we need you. you make our country better. so i thank all of you. god bless our troops our veterans our military families. god bless the united states of america. and with that i want michelle and clay's family and our other guests to join us on stage so i can sign the clay hunt save act
into law. [applause] >> there, too, are our men and women in uniform. see the guy on the screen? that's jake wood a guy the president kept referring to a dear friend of clay hunt's. you're asking me on twitter that the name sounds familiar. yes, it should be. this is a really big deal for veterans in this country. clay hunt served valuableiantly both in iraq and afghanistan. he took his life when he was 28 so his parents are working to save veterans coming home who fought a different kind of war. you joined me in washington because to bring this entirely full circle you want to help other families. i want you to tell me about the clay hunt suicide prevention bill that you so badly want this
congress to pass. >> our hearts are with all the veterans out there. active duty servicemen and women and all the veterans we can't bring clay back. but what we can do hopefully, is use that experience that he had and what we've been able to learn about it to try to get the mental health care piece that they need if they need that from the va to have that be something that they can access state of the art care just as the va can give them state of the art care for their physical injuries. we hope very much they can get state of the art care for their mental injuries as well. >> clay like thousands and thousands of other men and women, voluntarily signed up for the marines. he risked his life.
he was given the best training he possibly could receive. he went on two tours, one in iraq, one in afghanistan. he came back. he was told that the va that the u.s. government would take care of him, and he believed that. you know you can't see this type of trauma that happens emotionally because of tps and traumatic brain injury and other experiences. if you don't see that -- >> and now you have it. thanks to the perseverance of that mother and father and this congress and the president's flick of a pen, the clay hunt suicide prevention act is now law. again, thank you to our men and women in uniform. just ahead here on cnn, did the united states have a chance to save kayla mueller from isis? a new report suggests the white house stalled on intelligence. plus thousands have died in the standoff between ukraine and russia but now, as word of a deal is surfacing, what will
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in terms of being able to prove whether or not this was a hate crime or a bias-motivated crime, the prosecutors would have to show the motive would have to show that craig hicks killed these three students because of their religion or race ethnicity. and so in order to do that police would be talking to anyone affiliated with craig hicks. what we would want to know about that is whether or not he was -- was he a member of any group that espoused any hatred related to these groups? did he write in his diary -- we have these on-line posts that he made generally about various groups. but they're trying to see if there was a motive if he killed them because of their religion.
so i think also talking to people who had spoken to these three students about anything that they may have said about him. did he use slurs against them racial slurs against them those types of things. >> here's the thing. there are two very different stories here two very different narratives. when you look at the suspect and his side, he's got no record. we've heard from his ex-wife. she's standing by him confident that this has nothing to do with any kind of bias. the family has never seen that. the family says definitely there was hate. trouble started when one of the victims was wearing a head scarf and moved in and i guess my question is these are the facts. this is what police can gain. but how do they crawl inside this man's heart and mind to determine, really what he was thinking or feeling.
>> what you are talking about is the proof of violence-related crimes. it's very difficult for prosecutors to do that. you most often won't have a confession from someone saying i killed this person because they were black or because they were muslim. it's very difficult. we have to look at a lot of the circumstantial evidence. you might have a suspect saying i'm going to go out today. i feel like committing a crime against this group or that group. that can be used as evidence. it's a very difficult burden. >> a very high burden as you point out. kami simmons, thanks again. we'll stay on the story, we'll stay on the investigation. i'm talking to family members of the victims next hour.
she's speaking about things that put her in hot water. she said she knew that the news of last year's hacking would be bad. another one sent by producer angelina jolie, minimally talented. women are paid less than male stars. >> this is a business. if people want to make less money, i'll give them less money. what women have to do is not work for less money. they have to walk away. people shouldn't be so grateful for jobs. >> all right. i've got three ladies joining me now. rachel sclar is with me in new york. i've also got judi gold and christy smith also seen on cnn
commentator. christy, to you first in facts and figures, can you talk to me about how much more would a bradley cooper get paid than a jennifer lawrence? >> well i think it depends on the project, but we all know it's true that women make less money than men in hollywood. it's been that case now for decades. the problem, really that amy went on to address is that there are no parts for women. there is a lot less opportunities for the actresses. so when a part comes along like "american hustle," which is an excellent role for amy adams or for jennifer lawrence it's very hard to walk away from that. the bigger issue is where are all the parts for women when you're not just the girl in the movie, when you really are the lead the protagonist. that's another discussion that needs to happen. i think she also touched on that about creating another all-female ghostbus terz,ters and
maybe we're headed in the direction where there is the same kind of pay. >> speaking of comedy, judi, my question to you, my friend i have to imagine when you start out in stand-up you're making like peanuts. >> a little -- just the shell. >> just the shell in peanuts. then you work your way up like you have and you do all right. >> right. >> at what point in time did you ever stand up to somebody booking you for a comedy spot and say, listen. you need to pay me more. i'm at the point now i'm not going to lose so sorry, if you want me, this is what you have to pay. but i believe they don't know and i also believe women don't ask for what they deserve. there is something in their psyche. you know this is such a great
opportunity, i'm going to do this. >> it's not quite something that's innate to women, it is something that is drummed into women. when women do try to negotiate on their own behalf the penalties are harsher. >> but you know what? they have representation who most likely are male. and those agents know what everyone else is getting. >> that's really what the issue is here. this is symptomatic of a system that's very broken and now it simp to -- they should have parody of what they're given because they get a cut. >> when a woman says i think, i don't know what x would be making a male counterpart, i would like to have more. i think the perception is
difficult if i were to bang on a desk versus. that woman is a bitch. a woman who sticks up for herself is known as a bitch and one who you can't sort of approach -- they're unapproachable. look at amy pascal. she was fired. she went to this talk and said you know what i was fired. there was no husband standing next to her. >> i thought it was interesting of you, too, christy, she also said you know what it's great for her to put it out there for the world to see. >> she did say i paid jennifer lawrence a lot more money since then. certainly the ak laids jennifer
got 40 there isn't one person that if it were published they wouldn't be gret.regret. so i did think it was wonderful that she addressed that and i think it's interesting she chose to talk about this in san francisco where there is all this tech about the tech room. where were you there? i think it just hoepz. it definitely implicates the tech world and it implicates all areas. >> he has power, he has power. and these men, they retire in shame. they don't admit this.
i give her kudos for saying you know what? i admit it. >> i agree. >> she said okay. this is what happened. and why didn't anyone else get fired snm fired? >> the sony crisis was a sony dit. sewny was in this panic-driven force. they seemed to have no repercussions. >> final thought, christa. go for it. >> i think the reason why that happened is she was the victim of the e-mails. people were reading all ful her e-mails and she's head of a publicly traded company, and i think that's where she took a lot of the heat. amy pasquale is very trusted, very well loved.
i think she's going to do a lot of good things moving on. it is it was an unprecedented situation, and now i'm just wondering whether every student had us downloading snap chas. when is it going to happen again? >> by snap. thank you very much ladies. i want to see you in comedy very soon. have to move on to some really sad news to report today of the he was a giant in the journalism world. one of the true old school news journalists with a capital j. "60 minutes" bob simon died last night in a car accident here in new york and when you just look at his career it spanned five decades beginning with the vietnam war and.
he was held by iraqi forces for 40 days. this is a man who won 27 emmys for his reporting, his writing style and the passion for the people he covered. it was unmatched. >> and steps are being wheeled up to a plane bearing the words "the arab republic of egypt." which was one of the two or three three. >> i knew the names of almost all these men, their names and their deeds. i never thought i would be standing a few inches from them having a chat. >> 40 days. we were very restricted. we couldn't go any. i saw a jeep in the distance and
it was an iraqi and they took us away. we eventually wound up in the secret police headquarters and treated very badly. whenever we went to a new place, they asked us where are you from? one said nicaragua and that was good. one said cuba and that was great. peter said britain and that was bad. i said america and that was horrible. >> he is survived by his wife and bob simon was 73 years old.
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a new cease fire deal for ukraine took 17 hours of tense negotiations. everyone involved agrees on this one point. there is a long way to go before this bloody conflict end. let me run through just key parts of the deal. first, the cease fire will begin sunday at midnight from both pro-russian separatists and ukranian forces. two, both sides must withdraw heavy weapons from the front lines within two weeks. three, both sides must release all hostages. of course a real cease fire in ukraine depend on actions on the
ground not merely words on a piece of paper. let me bring in fiona hill. she's a co-operative. fiona, welcome. >> thank you. >> the last cease fire didn't stick. who is to say this one will? >> i think that's the right perception over this deal wondering whether it will indeed stick. the last agreement was in september, and obviously many months of carnage and fighting on the ground have come since then. what we have to do is think about this as an interim step as yet another agreement to try to bring an end to fighting on the ground that we can then use as a basis for further negotiations. this agreement seems to have an awful lot of provisions for dialogue and for future agreements about the status of these territories within ukraine, about the future configuration of ukraine itself but i think we're very far away from any kind of final status
final agreement about how ukraine will look. >> i wanted to talk to you. you've been studying russian politics for decades. one of the things that jumped out at me was it was vladimir putin that we heard from first in this post-agreement. it wasn't angela merkel which made me wonder if he feels he came out on top on this deal. how did you read that? >> well if you look actually at some of the terms of the agreement, and it was a bit hard to pin those down today, but if you look at it in terms of the russian text that i just looked up before i came here it's certain that the preponderance of responsibility is being put on u krinkraine and the government of kiev. there is a lot about what they need to do and less about what the other government needs to do but if putin is out there touting as some agreement that he and those around him have
gathered it's obviously clear, too, that russia is stepping back for any kind of real responsibility. it very focused than the troops on the ground in the dumbass region. >> a question posed was how do you deal with someone if you can't understand them at all, and you co-wrote this book that had everything to do with putin, and you had to update it recently because so much has evolved and changed. you write, in the first part of your book we had chicken with the russian republic. now we have him playing chicken with all of us. what did you mean by that? >> we were basically in a standoff where, russian's
position defended russia vetoed over questions following it with those positions. the game of chicken has become common in ukraine. this is a proxy wall that is being fought by the ukranian government that putin says is really standing up in the west. by rebels on the ground in the any stretch over if the last standing in furi and the amount of casualty on the ground. there is no simple solution we have to acknowledge that. this cease fire is one of many. we had one in september.
we have a long way to go. we'll have to be very sober about this but we also need to recognize, at least on our parts, that the game of chicken is being played at the expense of the ukranian public. and we have to take this responsibility ourselves to recognize that whatever we do whatever we decide in these interim steps, people's lives are at stake here. >> 5,000 dead so many more injured, people fleeing their homes. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. we'll have this conversation again. i have a feeling. >> thank you. >> thanks. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. at this point in time we have friends and family members grieving at a funeral for three muslim students who were murdered wednesday. as loved ones mourn, they insist that hate was the motivation for
the killings. user's husband baracot are and razan and deah will be buried. they are not ruling it out as a hate crime but at this point it appears to be a parking issue at the parking complex where the shooter and her husband lived. meanwhile, the victim's father said this. >> my daughter honest to god, told us on more than two occasions this this man came knocking at the door and fighting about everything with a gun on his belt more than twice. she told us daddy, i think he hates us for who we are and how we look. >> joining me