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is no end to love. i love you, dave. the next hour of newsroom starts now. happening now on the newsroom a planned beheading stopped in its track. the target outspoken activist behind a mohammed cartoon contest. >> they mean to do everyone who doesn't do their bidding and abide by their law voluntarily. >> this morning new details about the suspect and the weapons he ordered off amazon. also -- >> we're not going to give up on josh. >> duggars stand up for their son after he admitted touching young girls. a high-profile endorsement, the wife of the "american sniper" joins me live. why taya kyle is standing by what she calls one of the greatest leaders texas has ever seen rick perry.
let's talk. live in "cnn newsroom." and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. a brutal terrorism plot halted before it could be carried out. new details about the 26-year-old terror suspect shot dead by boston police. we now know usaama rahim radicalized by isis wanted to behead pamela geller. rahim was under constant surveillance changed his plans hours before he was killed. his new target boys in blue a reference to law enforcement. now, this man, 25-year-old david wright who police say is an associate, is facing terrorism-related charges. let's bring in national correspondent debra feyerick following this. she has more. >> we do know usaama rahim bought three knives one was intercepted by fbi.
the box was x-rayed and delivered under video surveillance to rahim. rahim over the weekend with two associates he had been speaking with and texting for the last couple of days talking about this plan to behead an individual. the individual we are now learning is allegedly pamela geller. her organization has been labeled a hate group. she is a well-known muslim barber who earliery -- basher who defended free speech. >> jesus blasted, we saw a cross immersed in a jar of urine. we see mother mary immersed in dung. nobody says anything about that. >> that's not true. those things get criticized as well. >> nobody gets killed villages don't get burned. i'm asking you, we all don't like our religion mocked. the roman catholics, christians don't, mormons. the show the book of mormon is viciously anti-christian. no one is getting killed. why do we condescend to muslims.
i don't. i expect behavior. mainstream muslims should be standing with me shoulder to shoulder in defense of free speech. and pamela geller came to light in early may when a cartoon contest she hosted mocking prophet mohammed was attacked or attempted to be attacked by an isis sympathizer. we do know rahim at 5:00 tuesday morning contacted this man, david wright told him he was no longer traveling outside massachusetts to behead the victim. in fact he was going after police officers because they were much easier targets. that's when jtf moved in. they confronted really wanted to talk to rahim. he pulled out a knife. then whenever officers said drop your weapon rahim responded, you drop yours first. this was something, he was ready to ac and that's why jtf moved
in. >> so is there a third person involved? >> there is a third person involved and they are sort of running that down. right now they are looking to see who else he was speaking to and to what extent they also may have been radicalized online. the one man who has so far been charged with obstructing justice, because he told rahim, look if you're going to do this attack make sure you wipe your cell phone, wipe your computer get rid of all data get rid of your fingerprints. that's what he has been charged with but not necessarily taking part in the plot although he did support and encourage the plot. >> deborah feyerick many things to you. the attack isn't the only one making headlines for a controversial cartoon contest. remember john riteheimer recently organized prophet mohammed cartoon near a phoenix mosque. the former claimed the event was a freedom speech rally. critics say he's anti-islam and slammed him for wearing a t shert that said f islam.
he says his safety is in jeopardy and he's now facing backlash from that event. the big question are these activists making the job of police officers more dangerous or are they helping track down terrorists? let's bring in criminal profiler pat brown. hi pat. >> hi carol. >> what do you think of that? these two people holding this cartoon contest, are they bringing people out of the woodwork and making police's job more difficult or the opposite. >> i personally don't approve of this thing, i don't think it's ever nice to make fun of people's religion. i think it's fanning huge flames. i don't see the point in it especially when you have radicals out there who are going to take it not so nicely. on the other hand if they are going to do it, law enforcement is jumping on it. what they have done with the boston case is fabulous. they did incredible police work. >> they certainly did. okay. let's focus on the suspect, mr. rahim, went to brooklyn high school nice high school in a nice rich neighborhood in the
boston area. he went to -- i guess in his freshman year in high school he attended high school in saudi arabia then came back and attended brookline high school. he didn't seem radicalized to his friends. we hear the same story about these terrorism suspects over and over again. is there a common theme? why does no one notice? >> it's interesting, kind of like with mass murder. a lot of people don't recognize disaffected youth. they want to do something important, that's often why we see mass murder. what we're seeing is a new kind of thing going on with terrorism issues because now we can use the internet as they say, to radicalize. i call it gathering soldiers for an army. in other words, these guys aren't going to join american army. that's not going to soothe them. they can join another army and do something for some important organization and feel good about it. so i think we're going to see more of this in the future. it's very easy to reach out
across the entire united states. so you have a huge population that you can maybe get some new soldiers from. let's look at the type of attacks they can commit. unlike 9/11 it isn't a lot of work to get a knife and a net. that's what you need for a terrorist attack. i think we see this increase. luckily we have law enforcement on this. they have the right idea they have to do surveillance and tracking of what's going on on the internet because that's the conduit. >> isn't it up to the families to notice their sons or daughters might be becoming radicalized or is it too hard to determine whether that's true or not. >> i don't think it's that hard to determine. i think a lot of families simply don't pay attention. that is why their kids are going that way in the first place. if you have a really strong stable family parents really involved with their children you're not going to see them become mass murderers and terrorists. however, when you have that disconnect that's why they are off on their own. that's why they can spend hours, paps hiding away and coming up
with ideas. how many times have we had a mass murderer caught and find he has a cache of guns inside with his mother. where is mom? that's why they are targeting that type of person. they know they are looking for something, looking for importance and this is one way they can find it. >> let's focus on mr. wright. he's supposedly an accomplice but wasn't directly involved in killing police officers or beheading anyone but he did help mr. rahim. now, we don't quite know the relationship between the two. david wright seems an unlikely suspect. >> why is that? >> i don't know. >> because family says he's a nice guy? this is what we always hear. we always hear he wouldn't do this kind of thing. yet we have evidence that actually this is what is happening. i think a lot of times people just look the other way. they misinterpret what they are seeing in front of them. also anybody who is committing
criminal behavior isn't criminal 24 hours a day. there are moments in his life he goes to the movies and comes home and says hi mom. that doesn't make him a good guy. it just means he can do good things part of the day. there's a lot of putting one's head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge they have a troubled person in their family. >> pat brown, thanks for insight. i appreciate it. >> thanks. >> still to come in the newsroom live anthrax shipped to 17 states three countries and d.c. not by an enemy but the pentagon. plus the duggars, open up about the bombshell molestation scandal rocking the family. why they said they felt like failures. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought.
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the nation's anthrax scare multiplies. pentagon announces may received shipments of anthrax. they fear that number will rise. barbara at the pentagon follows the development for us. good morning, barbara. >> reporter: good morning. 51 left 17 states suspected of getting live anthrax. why do we say this? because the pentagon revealed yesterday at a press conference it has been testing several batches. four of 400, that's how many have to be tested four have turned up positive. they weren't supposed to be active anthrax. that's what got shipped out to these 51 labs. pentagon press briefing for reporters finally showing how they pack up anthrax and ship it
trying to demonstrate is in a container, all sealed poses no public health hazard. look this is going to grow. as they go through those 400 batches, they expect they have every reason to expect they are likely to find more batches of live anthrax. again, supposed to be dead pathogen that they shipped out to these labs. so where do we stand? because it's all sealed up the pentagon says they say there's no risk to public health. there is concern about the potentially hundreds or thousands of workers in those labs. so they are going to be looking at all of that. it is expected to get even larger more labs more states because those 396 batches still have to be tested. carol. >> all right. barbara starr reporting live from the pentagon this morning. thank you. checking top stories, 15 minutes past. at least 76 people have died in a gas station explosion in the capital of ghana.
the victims were reportedly there trying to seek shelter after days of torrential rain and flooding. the president visited the the charred site today. he says he's at a loss for words cranes hovering over the capsized ship in china as cruise prepare to upright it. rescuers cutting into the hull of the ship finding no signs of life. all 77 bodies have been recovered, more than 360 people have been missing. rescuers say they will continue searching until tonight. the ship went down monday after being hit by a cyclone. new video just in to cnn. this is in ramadi, iraq where isis shut off gates to a dam. you can see people roaming to the river. the river bed is exposed in some places. the move is cruel and tactical cutting off water downstream as well as making it easier for fighters to attack sources loyal to baghdad. the duggars are breaking their silence.
the reality tv stars and last night in prime time on fox news explaining their actions after a then 15-year-old josh duggar confessed to inappropriately touching his sisters. >> this was not rape or anything like that. this was touching somebody over their clothes, a couple of incidents touched over clothes. it was like a few seconds. he came to us and was crying and told us what happened. it was after that third time he came to us where we really felt like you know what we have done everything we can as parents to handle this in house, we need to get help. i think as parents you feel like a failure when your kid does something wrong. you feel like if i would have done more training or maybe something else this wouldn't have happened. but the truth is that kids will make their own choices. and they will make their own decisions even though you've taught them what is right and what is wrong.
>> the family is taking an aggressive stance after lying low in the weeks after the revelation surfaced hiring a public relations with ties to a family supporter mike huckabee. friday night they will have their own special to discuss what happened. let's talk about this with senior video correspondent and host of "reliable sources" brian stelter. welcome, brian. >> thank you. >> the duggars hired a pr firm mike huckabee uses. >> the interview set up by the same company that represents huckabee. one of huckabee's most senior advisers is helping the duggars get through this. the family needs a lot of counsel. they have had to figure out how to handle a crisis that happened in the last few weeks. they have been silent. with megyn kelly, trying to say what happened and what didn't happen. to some sounded like downplay allegations. on the other hand it's important
to hear their perspective and how they handled the situation. >> what do you think tlc will think? >> they are carefully saying nothing. they say they are butting out while the family dealings with the crisis. i don't think this interview makes it easier to bring "19 kids and counting" back. it's the kind of interview -- not a knock on megyn kelly but the kind of interview that raises more questions than answers. >> why? >> people want to know more about what happened. people are confused. when you hear the family say this is touching over the clothes, in some cases under the clothes. first of all, it's very uncomfortable to hear about that. second it makes you wonder how did they know for sure. what did they do to address this? most we heard was from josh not the victims, the daughters. we will hear from them later in the week. we did hear last night, a short clip we can play they directed their attention toward the release of the juvenile records. here is what they said. >> people don't have a right.
we're victims. they can't do this to us. >> yet they did. >> they did. >> it's set up to protect kids both those who make stupid mistakes or have problems like this in their life and the ones that are affected by those choices. it's greatly failed. >> so they are focusing on this issue of the release of the records. that's what the family wants the focus to be. i think we'll hear more about that when more of this interview is released on friday. >> i understand where they are coming from. i certainly wouldn't want that information made public either especially if i was either of those two young women. right? right? >> they are making it about improper release of records as opposed to improper touching. >> still the reality tv shows, and the fact is their parents are politically involved and they make statements about other people that aren't so for giving. i have a robocall that mrs. duggar made back in august so let's listen to that. >> i don't believe the citizen
would want males with past child predator convictions that claimed they are female to have a legal right to enter private areas reserved for women and girls. i doubt that they would stand for a law that would endanger their daughters or allow them to be traumatized by a man joining them in their private space. >> now, there's probably more than one person out there who says that's pretty hypocritical in light of what we know now. doesn't tlc have to take that into account. >> they didn't have a very good answer to questions about hypocrisy. that was one of the weaker parts of the interview. i said it doesn't make it easier for tlc to bring the show back. all this attention is negative attention for the family. some of their fans may rally around them the reputation of the family is tarnished by this series of stories. now, it is possible. maybe there will be a spinoff. i think that's one possible outcome of this entire controversy. maybe tlc will make a new reality show just about some of
the kids and starting their own families but not about this large family and certainly not about josh duggar. >> brian stelter, thanks for your insight as always i appreciate it. still in newsroom skyrocketing crime in baltimore. cops say it's enough to keep the city high for an entire year. plus the wife of the "american sniper" makes her pick for president. why she's backing a former texas governor. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano tuners... were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. start shopping online... ...from a list of top rated providers. visit angieslist.com today.
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. the city of baltimore is pleading for help, asking the federal government to step in as a wave of violence and drug offenses makes their way across the city. law enforcement officials say they know the root of the problem, the fallout from the death of freddie gray the man who died of a spinal injury
while in police custody. suzan malvo live in baltimore to tell us more. good morning. >> good morning, carol. in baltimore, the days following freddie gray's death, a lot of people i talked to say they feel the ones is on them. now the baltimore police commissioner anthony bats under fire. out of control, doesn't have their back also the community under siege. he's now saying there is a flood of drugs in baltimore that is creating this crime rage. 27 pharmacies looted in the riot after the death of freddie gray. there is now a turf war taking place. there are gangs trying to compete over customers and that
is why so people are being shot and killed in this city. listen to how he explains it. >> there's enough narcotics on the streets of baltimore to keep it intoxicated for a year. criminals are selling those stolen drugs. there are turf wars happening, which are leading to violence and shoots in our city. >> reporter: batts says all hands on deck. asking for federal agencies prosecutors to get involved because the problem has become so big. carol, you've heard the statistics before. it's worth repeating. just last month of may, 43 homicides. that is the deadliest month since 1972 more than 40 years. 119 homicides so far this year in the city again, carol, talking to people who live here say they will take to the streets, protest. they need help outside the city because things have gotten so out of control. >> all right. suzanne malveaux reporting live from baltimore this morning.
with me now ed norris former police commissioner in baltimore, former veteran of the new york city police department and host of norris and davis radio show in baltimore. welcome, sir. >> good morning. >> good morning. is commissioner batts right? is it creating a storm of violence. >> now there's over 600,000, it's worse. the drugs stolen certainly part of it. also the officers now, a lot of word i'm getting from police officers is they are really not being assertive. they are answering 9/11 calls as they are supposed to but they are very, very -- not timid but reticent given indictments after freddie gray case. >> so in light of that commissioner batts made request for more federal help to fight crime. is that a necessary move? a good move? a bad move?
>> it should be unnecessary. this is a fairly big police department per capita. it's a well trained police department. they should be able to handle this. the problem is if people aren't stopping people in the street and taking guns away from people that carry them illegally and shoot other people if they carry them freely you'll see a tremendous spike in crimes. part fueled by drugs, guys opening up martz on their own and there is competition. the fact is if police aren't stopping people and they are afraid to challenge people with pistols, they are going to use them. they used them quite a bit in may. >> you know the police union held a presser, too, i guess it was right before commissioner batts' press conference. the union's conference wasn't about the crime wave but how they handled officer safety during the riots. isn't that a little off topic in light of what's happening in baltimore now with the crime? >> no. i think it's completely spot on because the moral of the police department is important, the
position police officers take. you've got to remember police officers are not supervised extremely closely in the field. they have a sergeant on patrol that supervises them but doesn't ride with them. it's just as easy to be a fifth car to a call as the first. if people aren't racing not being aggressive because they feel unsupported, dangers during the riots, told not to engage it carries over to now. i think that's what you see going on. >> is there any answer? do you sit back and let baltimore burn? >> no absolutely not. they have got to regain the confidence and leadership of the police department. the police have to feel confident that when they step up to do their jobs they won't be the subject of political prosecutions. >> how can that be done? >> i don't have a quick answer for that. that's a reservoir of goodwill that needs to be built up over a period of time. it's hard to retrieve once lost. if they don't feel they are protected -- the police protect community, police leadership protects police. that's the contract you make.
they go out and protect lives. we need to protect them when things are dicey. if they feel it's not being done they will behave like this. >> is it time for commissioner batts to step down or step aside? >> that's a union question. i've heard that. people are unhappy within the police department but that's certainly something i'll leave to the union. >> you have no opinion on that whatsoever? >> well i don't know, you know exactly what's going on with the command staff. there's so much disinformation if it was a fact officers were told to stand down and officers were hurt because of that yeah but i'm not sure if that's true. it's hard to know with all the misinformation out there. i've been told they were told not to engage riders absolutely pot tifl to stand down. commissioner batts said that's absolutely untrue. this has not happened. i like to give police the benefit of the doubt in the situations if i didn't know firsthand what happened. >> if you had a crystal ball and looking into it right now, what's in store for the future
of baltimore? will the crime wave continue to get worse? will they figure it out? what's going to happen? >> it can continue to get worse. this is not tolerable. as i said this is the deadliest month since 1972 the city is two-thirds of the size it was in 1972. this cannot continue. this is unacceptable for any american city. something has to be done immediately. they are going to have to do radical things. they are going to have to get confidence of rank and file. >> when you say radical things. what radical things? >> you have to do radical things. when i was here i'd do things plant the flag go out series of violence command vehicle, in the face of all the drug dealers, out there stopping people. legally, stop a lot of people, take a lot of guns off the street be extraordinarily proactive and send a message. i just had a guy call the radio show the other day, identified himself as a drug dealer and made a joke, you know how glad you are that you're on the radio now because we felt the
pressure. they need to feel the pressure. they can feel it. criminals can feel pressure from the police. >> but the police in baltimore aren't willing to apply that pressure any longer. they aren't willing to get into the face of anyone at the moment. >> well leadership comes from the top. the command staff has got to step out there. they have to command and actually supervise people and say we're taking this corner this neighborhood back. that's what it may take. they have to do it. you can't stand back and be reticent with civil unrest day to day policing. they have to step out there. if it takes a major to step up and say, hey, challenge those guys walk over there, that's what needs to be done but they have to do something really radical and really quickly. >> ed norris thanks for insight, i appreciate it. a cleveland police officer who was recently acquitted in the shooting death of two unarmed african-americans now faces assault charges. authorities say michael brelo got into a fight with his twin brother during a night of drinking. he'll be arraigned june 10th. police say the brawl happened
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shootings. annika in colorado good morning. >> reporter: good morning. this is such a mystery. the latest shooting happened a mile north of denver. the 65-year-old man was found lying on the sidewalk. he was bleeding. investigators determined he had been shot and he died from his injuries. now the investigation is on as to whether his shooting death is linked to a couple of other shootings that happened in the last six weeks in the region that are still unsolved. we know there was a cyclist killed in windsor, colorado just last month. at the end of april there was a woman driving on i-25 main north-south interstate in colorado and she was shot in the neck. she survived. investigators linked those two shootings, the bicyclist and woman shot in the neck through ballistic evidence. they formed a task force in order to investigate shooting including fbi and several local jurisdictions in northern colorado. at this point they don't have a suspect. they are offering a $12,000
reward for information that will help crack the case. now another shooting in the same region all within about 15 miles of each other and had a lot of people wondering whether that could be linked to other shootings that happened recently carol. >> all right. ana cabrera reporting live. still in the news another republican throws his hat into the presidential race. could an endorsement sway some voters. we'll talk about that. first, on an episode of "somebody's got to do it" mike rowe gets involved with the biggest collector item in the world, bobblehead doll. >> painting details and eyes. >> the hardest thing. >> sparkle in the eye and color in the eye, it takes a lot of time to do that. >> just trying to make the hat look a little bit older. >> distressed. >> you don't wear nice clean hats. >> i don't wear nice clean anything. they do appear to sparkle.
they are a little red this morning. just a little bit of white. >> a little white. a toothpick, my secret weapon. >> you're going to put a toothpick in my eye. >> hu ever personally owned a bobblehead? >> i have one of me and my husband. it was a gift. >> from here? >> yes. that's my father-in-law. >> he's your father-in-law? >> yes. >> hello. >> sorry about that. >> warren. >> we do have a copy of that bobblehead. this is rachel and my son brandon and the picture we worked from. there are perks to being in the bobblehead business. >> no kidding. all about who you know. >> watching rachel i realized just how much work is involved with creating a mini me. surely there must be a short-cut. when it comes to reproducing them does each one have to be individually hand -- >> each one is individually hand done. >> is that just in my case? >> every case.
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candidacy virtually inevitable. the governor will focus on shoring up support. once considered a likely front-runner he has seen much of the excitement shift to senator marco rubio, fellow politician bush has long men toward. another announcement a couple months away texas governor rick perry. he will become the tenth candidate to enter gop field. it's his second time in the ring. four years ago he was front-runner at one point, ultimately he flamed out. no one ruling him out this time. a poll last monday 39% of registered republicans said they would consider supporting him. 25% said no. significantly a full one-third of registered republicans say they don't know enough about mr. perry to make up their mind. my next guest knows rick perry very well and she wants to win him those undecides. taya kyle widow of chris kyle of "american sniper" fame.
taya welcome. >> hi thank you for having me. >> thanks for being here. rick perry will announce at the airport, that's where you now. he'll be surrounded by veterans. you'll be there obviously. why? >> no really i've always thought i didn't really want to get into politics and i till don't, but i do feel i have an obligation to stand up for people who i believe in and for their character. i think with politics one of the things i get frustrated with and one of the reasons i don't want to be involved people make decisions based on sound bites or two second or ten second increments and i feel it's more important to vote for somebody because of their character. that's what i know of the perry s perrys i know their character. >> like you say, the world of politics can be nasty. are you ready for that? >> i don't think i'm saying anything controversial. i don't think i'm taking a stand. what i'm doing, i know the
perrys i know they are humble good people with moral, kindness they have experience and love military and they do things without looking for credit which i find so refreshing and so unique. then the business speaks for itself. the state of texas is doing so well economically that i just -- you know i feel an obligation truly, to let other people know the way i would want to know. i want to know people's character. i don't think we get enough of that when we're looking at politics and trying to decide who to vote for. so that's why i'm here. >> i think we tend to focus on the negative so i'll ask you this question. rick perry's infamous oops moment during a primary debate. what should voters know about that? >> honestly that's kind of one of those things i look at and shake my head and am disappointed with the fact this country we tend to be the sound bite nation. we're making really big decisions based on a five second or ten second period of time
instead of really looking at who is the man, who is the woman, who is the leader that we need and who do they answer to. i love the fact that these -- i love the fact that rick perry is human. i can relate. i can say i have not known a powerful business person who hasn't had a moment of saying something or tripping over their words. i think every news person has had it every leader has had it. it's a matter of what the media in this country decides to share and make a big deal of. i feel that's the least of our worries. >> there's been a lot of talk about governor perry's glasses. cnn asked anita perry's wife about them. listen. >> your husband spent a lot of time brushing up on policy. i think the biggest outward sense we've gotten is his new look. he's got these new glasses that have gotten a lot of attention. what do you think? did he need a new image? >> no he needed the glasses to see. this really particular else me. it makes me laugh. he needed those glasses from a
childhood injury from when he was 16 or 17 years old. the vision in one eye deteriorated that he had to have the glasses. i picked them out. >> you picked them out. >> i picked them out. really i like him without the glasses but he had to have them to see. so he studied with make of the best great people on our team great strategist and consultants. >> so you know anita. i kind of liked her answer. she was really tough. what do you say? >> that's what i love really truly she's a woman who i feel has grace and class and kindness she's nobody's fool. she's also one of the most humble wonderful people i've met in that i can call her and ask her for her advice and she will make the time. she's there. she gives me very sound advice and it's very realistic, practical responses. i think that's kind of what you had. there are a lot of different responses to that question.
she's keeping it real. her husband needed to see. she's a stylish woman, she went out and pibd out glasses. to me that's comforting a man and woman, married couple back in the day, that's what we used to vote for. we used to vote for people who were just good people and family and character. that's what we used to vote for. i'm hoping as a country we get back to that instead of getting sidetracked by all kinds of you know silliness or political twistings or some of that negative stuff that i think we see a lot of. >> taya kyle thank you so much for joining me. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. i appreciate it. >> you're welcome. still to come the newsroom two must see rescues, one is real bull.
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two daring rescues caught on camera. here is jeanne moos. >> reporter: this is a tale of two rescues, man and beast. first, the manna frenchman wearing a helmet cam. he was skiing last behind his friends in the swiss alps when the snow swallowed him up. he fell once and then once again into a crevasse. >> deep dark hole. i was very scared. >> reporter:er started yelling help in french. once he was able to secure himself from falling further using an ice screw, benjamin calmed down. his finger were too cold to use them to whistle properly. less than 20 minutes after he
fell in benjamin heard what turned out to be another group of skiers near the crevasse. can you hear me? i'm here. they did and down came a rope. which brings us to another rope another rescue while benjamin used his rope to climb out, the bull on the end of this rope resisted. a half-ton pet bull named boy fell into an old well overnight in fulton county georgia. they dug a ramp so boy could walk out but he refused. >> he's taking a nap right now. >> he thinks he's at the hilton because we brought him water and food. now he's laying there. >> reporter: within half an hour of his fall benjamin reaching for a hand to pull him out. what was the first thing you said? >> thank you. thank you very much. >> reporter: benjamin was choppered out uninjured while news chopper hovered above boy the bull.
after ten hours, a large animal rescue team finally who issed him out with a crane. this tale of two rescues, the one with a tail seemed a lot less grateful. jeanne moos cnn, new york. he's just saying i'm out of here. so am i, actually. thank you so much for joining me today. i'm carol costello at this hour. berman and bolduan starts now. isis is here and this is war. that from the woman officials say was one of the targets of a boston terror network. boston's police commissioner joining us live. how close did the suspects come to attacking police? >> breaking their silence, the duggars admitting their son molested four of his sisters. so did they do everything they could to stop him? what questions remain unanswered? >> water as a weapon of war. isis captures and cuts off a major