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>> this is true. >> i was the oldest. >> i was the oldest by some measure. >> and look the youngest. >> thanks for being with us. see you monday night. can't wait. stop with the bell. >> "legal view with ashleigh banfield" starts now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we begin with breaking news in the scandal swirling around former house speaker dennis hastert. the sister of a man who died in 1995, a man named steve reinboldt here in pictures tells abc news that reinboldt was sexually abused by hastert as a teenager in the late '60s are and early '70s. her name is jolene and she says hastert then a high schools wrestling coach abused her brother who was the team's equipment manager. and she says, it happened
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repeatedly for years. burdge said she learned of it when her brother told her he was gay in 1979. >> i asked him, steve, when was your first same-sex experience. he just looked at me and said, it was with dens nis hastert. and i just -- i know i was stunned. i said, why didn't you ever tell anybody? i mean, he was your teacher. why didn't you ever tell anybody? he looked at me and said, who is ever going to believe me? >> well, apparently people are certainly starting to believe. the fbi for one, contacted miss burdge two weeks ago. mr. hastert is due in federal court next week and the charges are bank fraud and lying to the fbi about alleged hush money that he paid to someone identified only as individual a. cnn is following all the
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developments in chicago. for starters, i think a lot of people might have considered this young man who is now dead, might have been individual a. but it turns out the sister says he's not individual a. >> well, that's right, ashleigh. we don't know yet who individual a is. cnn did learn last week that there was a second victim. this might be, in fact, that second victim. the sister of this victim is telling abc news that hastert abused her brother throughout his high school career, and his name, of course, is steve reinboldt. he was abused by hastert in the 1970s while hastert was a high school wrestling coach. reinboldt was that team's equipment manager. that's what his sister joe lean is saying. her brother first came out about the alleged abuse in 1979, when he revealed to her that he was gay. now, steve passed away in 1995 and hastert attended his funeral
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and that's where an angry jolene confronted him. here's how she described that confrontation, ashleigh. >> i just looked at him and i said, i want to know why you did what you did to my brother. he just stood there and stared at me and then i just continued to say, i want you to know that your secret didn't die in there with my brother and i want you to remember that i'm out here and i know. >> reporter: now federal prosecutors allege that hastert agreed to pay a different man $3.5 million to hide past misconduct. jolene says she never asked hastert for money and hastert is charged with trying to hide the payment to the victims and lying to the fbi about the payments. we've reached out to hastert's attorney and the fbi for comment. it's interesting to note hastert has not made a public statement since he was indicted last week.
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>> and hasn't been seen either. a complete stakeout at his house and not a peep, not even him at a front door. this man has gone deep cover. he can't do it for long. he has to make that appearance in court. you mentioned that jolene burdge the sister of the victim, the one pictured on our screen right now, you say they never asked for any money but do we know if dennis hastert ever offered any money as is alleged in the case that revolves around individual a. >> we know that jolene never asked for money and there's nothing in the indictment that would suggest another individual here. she says they are not individual a and so at this point, ashleigh, we don't have any evidence that hastert offered anybody else money besides individual a who asked hastert for the money. hastert gave them the money. >> it's complicated but what stands out as well in the abc
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report is that this woman says she has been trying for years to get people to listen to her story, that she's reached out to news divisions, even abc, trying to tell them, this happened, this happened. why didn't this news break before now? >> this is fascinating and jolene said back in 2006 if you remember there was a big sex scandal with a florida lawmaker named maher mark foley, sending inappropriate text messages to pages, those are high school kids who work in the capitol and that she says she reached out to news organizations back in 2006 when hastert was the speaker to say, you know, foley is not the only person with these kinds of problems but there wasn't the collaboration because her brother had passed away by then, they couldn't talk to the victim directly and there wasn't this legal case which raised all theses questions and we were really kind of able to see what
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was going on behind the scenes. >> chris, just an unbelievably fascinating development in what was already sort of a bombshell of a case. thank you for the reporting. i want to bring in our legal panel to discuss the possible ramifications of what abc news is reporting when it comes to what hastert is facing. joey jackson an hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney and midwin charles a criminal defense attorney. we have to bring it back to what this indictment really says. okay. the affidavit says, he is alleged to have banking patterns that are illegal and lying about banking patterns and to back that up the fbi says because the money was supposed to be going as hush money effectively to cover up past misdeeds. so now fast forward to today, and we have this case of another what seems like misdeed. how does it play into the already existing case? >> it depends who you talk to. if you talk to the defense attorney and their team what they're going to say the indictment is about what it is, if there's a lie to the fbi, the
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prosecution then has to prove that lie and what is the lie. the fbi investigates and they say hey, what are you doing this for with regard to taking out your money? is this for you? do you not trust the banking system. what does he say, you're right i don't and it's for me. that's a lie. to that extent the defense is going to say nothing about sexual misconduct or allegations. has anybody to do with it. fast forward to the other count of the indictment which has to do with the structuring of your money so as to hide, you know, any banking requirements or reporting. if you take out money in increments of more than $10,000 it's reportable. what was he doing, taking them out in increments of $9,000 or under less than $10,000 with several banks. there were 106 transactions where he took out$952,000. the defense will say the allegation is restructuring transactions has nothing at all to do with the issue of sexual abuse, not an element of the crime and should not come into the court of law. >> good point. that's what i want to ask you about look, we need to be clear
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here, statutes of limitations have expired. so we're not talking about sex charges at tis time, not talking about abuse of minors at this time. >> that's right. >> that is highly unlikely given the fact that this happened in the '70s, that one of the victims is now dead, but what about this other issue and that is, could you bring this in at sentencing? would you be allowed to bring in a whole other case in a sentencing if we get there? >> right. >> it has to do with money. it is a whole other case but as joey said he pointed out wonderfully and mass masterfully how the defense would present their case. if you were the u.s. attorney here, what you're going to do is look at these sexual allegations or these sort of prior misdeeds or acts and say that this is the motive for the bank fraud, right, because prosecutors always want motive. we all know that it's -- >> can you do that at sentencing looking for motive? >> actually during the trial as well, because the -- >> objection. >> all right defense attorney.
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>> the question will be why are you doing the transactions to what end. and they knocked on her door for that very reason. they wanted to ask her those questions. >> and i would say if i were his defense attorney, and i'm no lawyer, if there were other victims out there, if there were other victims circling out there, why on earth would my client pay hush money to just one and not just a little money, 3.4 or $3.5 million. doesn't that sound illogical to pay hush money when there's other victims who could talk. >> remember what you have to prove with regard to the indictment. it's not about sexual abuse, sexual misconduct. it has nothing to do with it. >> if their underlying motive for taking that money out -- >> that's my point. >> you don't have to prove motive. >> you don't have to prove it but helps get a conviction. >> it's an essential element to the crime in terms of sentencing the nature and characteristic of who the defendant is. i would argue maybe it's admissible there. maybe. but the defense is certainly going to try to keep it out.
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>> all of it astounding when speaking about the speaker of the house. >> right. >> the former speaker of the house, chris so eloquently pointed out, somebody who at the time, was dealing with a member of congress, mark foley, sexting with a male intern. >> it's tough to wrap your head around. >> it's just appalling. >> obviously could be a plea deal cut so it may not get to the point of going to trial. >> if i were representing him i would recommend that immediately. >> yeah. >> if there's ugly evidence, you got that right. midwin and joey, thank you both. have a good weekend. >> you too. >> appreciate it. pretty soon we are all going to see the police surveillance video from the shooting death of an american terror suspect that happened in boston. police have been holding it back because they wanted the man's family to see it and thought maybe after the man's burial they would release it. the family has seen it. we're going to get their thoughts and how their opinions changed, their opinions changed, after seeing it.
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several things are happening in boston right now. in the case of an american terror suspect who was shot dead by the police and by the fbi on tuesday, first today is the day that the family remembers -- the family members are going to bury their loved one, this is usaama rahim, the man that the fbi had been watching for years, reading his extremist on-line postings and tapping his telephone. they were so shura home was rahim was getting ready to be violent on the street they approached him and they said he pulled a big knife and was shot
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dead because of it. rahim's family isn't saying where or when they will bury him, but there is this other thing, we are very close to seeing exactly how that deadly confrontation went down. boston police say after rahim's funeral, that's supposed to be today, they're going to release the surveillance video of the shooting to us. to the public. until now, only a few civil rights and religious leaders, community leaders, have seen it, as well as rahim's family themselves. interesting to note here, listen closely, rahim's brother who originally was convinced that the police shots his brother for no reason and shot him in the back, as he was on his cell phone with his dad, well, he has completely backed off that position. he says that was after he got a chance to see the same video everyone else did. >> those were the initial facts available to me. we've made a statement through
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attorney sullivan who has clarified that that was the initial commentary based on facts that were given to me initially. so with the development of the facts we do understand that those wounds were not through the back. so we have acknowledged that fact. >> i want to get deborah feyerick in here, working her fbi sources. the story, while it may seem in pause mode, it is active behind the scenes. >> no question about it. a lot of activity, the joint terrorism task force engaged in continuing to look at the suspects that are out there. you know, they've got this man, david wright, a nephew of the man shot and killed, he's been talking and waived his miranda rights and charged with obstruction of justice but they're looking at others. they think it's contained, that the plot is contained, but the fact that they were aiming at a very high-profile individual, somebody extremely critical of islam and muslims as a whole,
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clearly they want to make sure there's nobodies else out there to carry out the plot that they wanted to do, which was behead this individual. >> so another really strange detail today, there is word that it's hard to find a place that will accept this man for burial. which reminded me of tsarnaev when tamerlan needed to be buried, there were very few to accept his body and strange enough ibrahim the brother of this man, spoke out about the burial of tsarnaev. what happened? >> it's a little bit of an ironic twist there. during the boston marathon bombing he essentially said look, what tamerlan did was so against the principles of islam he was not going to -- effectively there would be no imam to officiate any ceremony. his own brother is in a similar position and one mosque said no they would not allowed him to be buried but another said okay, we'll do it. it's very interesting, i mean a couple more details on rahim. he went to saudi arabia. he was there for about a year.
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he was a followers of the muss loom brotherhood and attended a college at the university of miami, miami dade county. >> usaama rahim not ebra him. >> correct. >> he frequented isis websites. they're looking at this closely and again, it's the beheading plot that has everybody on edge. we know there's security outside the home of that individual. >> of pamela geller. >> she's mentioned it to chris cuomo yesterday, my life has changed because i have 24-hour security i didn't have before. >> thank you for that. keep us posted. >> you bet. >> appreciate it. some other members of usaama rahim's family spoke to reporters and police screened the surveillance video of his death for those family members and seemed to calm their earlier suspicions about what happened but still, they're urging the public not to jump to conclusions. and they say they're convinced police targeted rahim for only religious reasons. >> when you add the factor of
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islam, now everyone in the media wants to add terrorism to it. if it wasn't for him being muslim, then we would not be hearing terrorism. we would not be hearing isis. >> well, it was the knife as well. we're going to talk more about isis recruiting with a former jihadist who ended up helping to fight terrorism instead. that's coming up in a few minutes. te is reinventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on personal income taxes. we enacted the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968. we eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start, expand or relocate to new york state pay no taxes for 10 years. all to grow our economy and create jobs. see how new york can give your business the opportunity to grow at nobody's hurt,but there will you totstill be car.
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the obama administration is blaming hackers in china for what officials are calling the biggest cyber attack against the
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united states government ever. personal information of 4 million current and former workers, federal workers, have been compromised and millions more could be at risk as well. without specifically denying that it's the culprit, china is calling those allegations not responsible and counter productive. cnn's evan perez is following this story closely. maybe you could put in lay people's terms who got hacked, what did the hacker get, and how serious is it? >> it's very serious, ashleigh. the office of personnel management, like the hr department for the federal government, essentially, says that it's notifying 4 million people, former and current employees of the federal government, that their personal data may have been compromised in this hack. now, we know that the hackers got in there several months ago. it was discovered in april when the office of personnel management noticed there was
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some anomalies in the network, computer network, and then the homeland security department decided to utilize what's known as it's called the einstein system, a system that's supposed to diagnose computer networks and determine whether or not someone is in there. the problem with the einstein system, ashleigh, is that it doesn't know what it doesn't -- what to look for if the hackers have changed their signatures, the nurse of the malware, the malicious software, they're using to attack these computer systems and so that's taken really -- brings you back to what the government should have been doing more ahead of this to try to counteract this. we have a statement from the chinese embassy at the top you mentioned that they say, quote, cyber attacks conducted across countries are hard to track and, therefore, the source of attacks is difficult to identify and jumping to conclusions and making hypothetical accusations is not responsible and counterproductive.
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there's been a couple other hacks in recent months, including one against anthem the health care provider which leads intelligence and u.s. law enforcement to believe that chinese are building this massive data base on americans and that's what's at work here. >> that is a spooky notion, if, in fact, that is true and certainly not going far to acknowledge that. thank you. >> thanks. if you don't believe cyber attacks are a constant problem have i got an attack for you. the u.s. based security form norris created this website to illustrate how big the problem is and this is a snap shot of the hacks happening as you and i speak. or at least i speak. the united states defense department says it alone is hit with 10 million cyber attacks every day. can i repeat that. the defense department says 10 million cyber attacks every single day. that looks like something out of
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star wars or star trek but it is real and now. joining me to talk about cyber security is digital forensics investigator rob lee, he consults with companies and the united states government, so rob, since you do consulting with the u.s. government, are you as shocked as say i am hearing this remarkable hack of the opm, the office of personnel management, the hr department for the government? >> hi, ashleigh. i'm not shocked at all. in fact, these kind of attacks are quite frequent and happen all the time. in fact, the biggest issue is detecting the atax and most of the government including the fortune 500 in this country have a hard time detecting them and that makes them easy target for nation state attackers such as klein to take advantage of specifically of that lack of capability in cyber security. >> is there a scenario here
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where the toothpaste is out of the tube and thus there is going to be a bigger problem down the road? i only ask that because i get these really annoyi ining phish e-mails and i recognize them like that but something called spear phishing where a hacker gets ahold of you and your identity and uses you to hack people you know who would trust you? >> that's exactly right. one of the core difficult problems in cyber security is the fact that attackers such as china and other nation states are taking advantage of ordinary individuals inside the work place. they send them common e-mails which attachments or web links trying to get them to open them. these are not the e-mails that you are accustom to from nigeria or africa. these look like legitimate e-mails your organization might have sent out. it might be a new policy. one of the ones we've seen over
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the years that almost has a 100% success rate is sending e-mails related to w2 tax forms right next to tax time in early april. >> oh, man. you know, i've been tempted by those. but i get them the old snail mail way. that is really scary. to think that somebody would have to think twice about a w2. just quickly, can i ask you, there is a strange list that puts the united states at the top of victimization by global hacking. thailand is number two, but way, way below the u.s. why is it that we are so valuable to hackers around the world and who's doing more of it? is it the outsiders or within our own borders doing the most hacking to us? >> well, definitely the lead culprit to answer your last question first is china. there are other nation states such as russia, iran, and more that are also doing it, but
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china is pretty much the lead aggressor in leading the charge on these hacks. now why us? well, specifically, we have more intellectual property as a country that other countries such as china are trying to obtain in order to provide an economic advantage as a part of their normal day-to-day business. china views any information including that which is stored by our government, or even our top commercial industry, such as microsoft, google or apple, as right for pickings and because it's so easy to accomplish and there's zero threat of arrest, zero threat of any duactual deterrent nothing is telling china this is wrong, you should not do it and as a result there's no pushback that will eliminate this in the near future. expect this to become a common news cycle from this point
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forward. >> well, then expect us to be calling you a lot more and open up your calendar to be on the show more. you're extraordinary with your information base. thanks for doing this. >> thank you very much. >> rob lee, joining us. wow. digital forensics. had to know that would be a good vocation. three people shot is bad enough, three people shot on different dates in different places potentially by the same shooter, is terrifying. and there may be just a sniper on the loose in northern colorado. we're going to take you there live. try to get a handle on this after the break. if your purse is starting to look more like a tissue box... you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin®.
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fear and paranoia in northern colorado as police investigate a third missteres you shooting there. authorities have not yet linked wednesday's killing of a 65-year-old man in loveland, colorado, to two earlier incidents, but no one will be surprised if there is a connection. police so far have determined that the shooting death of a cyclist in may, and the wounding of a motorist in april, were, in fact, connected. ramping up speculation of a serial shooter that may be stalking this area. our dawn simon joining us with the latest on this case. dan, you would think that through ballistics, perhaps, or maybe even witnesses or patterns, that the police would be able to tell us whether or not this third victim is the same as the first two, but are
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they guarding this information for some reason or just taking that long? >> i think it's taking time. we are here at the windsor police department where the interagency task force is meeting. this includes the fbi somewhere in a room behind me examining all the shootings including the third shooting that left a 65-year-old man dead. 65-year-old william, he was on a sidewalk just a couple blocks from his house, ashleigh, when he was gunned down, shot in the chest, all authorities are saying at this point is that there is a likeness to those other two shootings you talked about. but i have to tell you, ashleigh, these shootings, as you can imagine, they have this community absolutely unnerved. we spent part of our morning talking to residents to get a feel of what they're thinking and doing. this is just a sample of what we heard. take a look. >> it's pretty scary. everybody i've talked to,
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especially at work and my friends, we're very scared. i avoid i-25 as much as i can and my kids i make sure they're in the back seat of the car. and we actually we try not to ride our bikes in the morning or avoid being out late at night as well. >> what happened a couple nights, it reached more of a fervor pitch. people are more aware of it. there might be something going on and now there definitely is a feeling something is going on, that, you know, it's just a matter of time before it happens again. >> that is the real concern, people thinking this could happen again. of course that is what authorities are trying to prevent, but we should make it clear, they have not linked the third shooting to the other two. that's what people behind me, that's what these law enforcement officers are doing somewhere behind me to try to figure out.
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ashleigh? >> dan, just reminds me of october 2002. the washington area sniper and those people, what they said sounds exactly what the residents in the washington area were saying back then when john alan mu ham med and lee boyd malvea malvo were shooting people dead. the alleged terror plot in boston between isis inspired and isis directed might be getting blurred. next a former jihadest who turned to help against this problem about isis recruiting and how to beat it. by the way, about this particular man who was shot dead.
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people, came out joe biden and bill biden hugged and kissed by so many people. this is the church where the funeral service will take place tomorrow. what's critical about this that is so touching joe biden has eulogized so many people and has been lauded for his skills in doing it but tomorrow he will not be eulogizing his son. the president of the united states, barack obama, will be doing that. i would like to show you the pictures as the casket arrived so that you can see for yourself.
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we've been talking about the terror suspect in boston who took his isis inspiration according to the police so far as to make plans to kill people, behead people, here in this country. the way isis fighters do it overseas. i want to get mu bean sheikh, once a jihadist but turned to fight terrorism and co-wrote a book about his experiences. i want to ask you about this suspect in boston. an old friend came forward to say he knew things were changing with usaama rahim, but he only them to be changing because he was becoming more religious and to some people, that's a red flag. my question to you is, is it a red flag if someone is just becoming more pias or is it just that they're becoming more religious and how are we supposed to tell the difference? >> that's a very good point. it's really almost impossible to tell the difference. i mean, just because a person begins to pray more, grow the
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beard, maybe wear the islamic clothes, is not an indication that they're becoming more extremist, but sometimes as a person becomes more extreme, more fundamentalist, more rigid, literalist in their understanding they may also follow that up with the religious exterior. so by itself, it's not a sign, but when you attach it to others thing, other things like openly declaring support for isis, whether it's on-line or in real life, like with another person, they begin to declare other muslims as not muslim enough. they start to cut off other people that don't share their rigid world view. these are signs that a person is becoming more and more extreme. >> so what i found so bizarre about today is that originally, this man's brother came to his defense on his facebook page and said he was on the phone, shot in the back, his last words i can't breathe, and that turned out not to be true. the video proved such.
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we haven't seen it but we will in the days to come, and yet that same brother years ago, two years ago when tamerlan couldn't find a place to be buried because nobody wanted to be associated with the boston marathon bomber the same i man spoke out saying nobody wants to be associated with people that violent and yet he finds himself connected to this brother allegedly a jihadist. >> yeah. this is very tragic for him, the im imam. he was on point for the most part. i mean like the statements he said about the tsarnaevs, the brother was killed, but the unfortunate reality is that we wake up when it hits close to home. and that's what's happened for him. in the beginning, i think -- we're seeing this now with muslim activists trying to tie this into, you know, the black lives matter movement, especially coming in the context of police on black shootings, you know, the statement that i
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can't breathe, of course reminding us of eric garner and another case in which that happened, so i think he didn't want to believe it. i feel sorry for family members when they go through this because, you know, you don't know what your younger brother is doing. you don't know what your siblings, you don't know what they're doing in the confines of their home or when off with their friends, so i don't really blame him in that regard. i think he was being hyper defensive. but as we know, the police account is largely validated. >> and we will soon see the video that those other leaders in that community have seen and said corroborated what the police said. always good to see you, thank you. >> thank you. since we are talking about families and families protecting or at least trying to protect, still ahead, lawyer versus lawyer in the case of josh duggar. and the old police reports that came out and were made public and whether they should ever
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boy has this been making headlines. the duggar family and the headlines aren't going away either. this time over the release of the police reports that detailed josh duggar's molestation of five young girls, he's admitted to this, he didn't go to court but admitted it, four of the girls were his sisters, one was a babysitter. among the family members outraged the scandal came to light are two of those sisters that josh touched inappropriately. >> they don't have a right to do this. this isn't -- we're victims. they can't do this to us. >> and yet they did. >> and they did. >> the system that was set up to
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protect kids, both those who make stupid mistakes or have problems like this in their life and the ones that are affected by the choices, it's just greatly failed. >> a county attorney is now on the record agreeing with those sisters. not just any county attorney, their county attorney. the records that attorney says should have remained private. but now comes this, from the city attorney, for spring dale, arkansas, quote, on 5/20/15 in full compliance with arkansas law the springdale police department responded to a records request under the arkansas freedom of information act. the requested record was not sealed or expunged and at the time the report was filed, the person listed in the report was an adult. any names of minors included in the report as well as pronouns were redacted by the springdale
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police department in compliance with arkansas law prior to the release. confused? those are two lawyers saying the opposite. joining me now to talk about whether josh's police records should or should not have been released another lawyer, hln legal analyst and the smartest among them joey jackson. >> not at all. >> i have to be honest i hear lawyers competing in every courtroom. >> yes. >> but this time i don't understand how two people who worked side by side can see the arkansas law so differently. >> happens every day and i even see it differently from them. >> you do? >> i do. >> looking at the statute it talks about the freedom of information act and the law and what's exempt and not. it says if the juvenile was arrested, it cannot be subject to freedom of information. if the juvenile was detained it cannot be subject to freedom of information or if there were juvenile proceedings it cannot be subject to freedom of information and so to the extent that there was no arrest here, there was no detention here, and
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there were no proceedings here, you can argue that it's not related or has nothing to do with the freedom of information law and whether it could be disclosed. >> makes perfect sense until you see a simple quote from the washington county attorney a juvenile record doesn't cease to be a juvenile record when he ceases to be a juvenile. >> no arrests made, no juvenile proceedings here, no detention. >> you think that's the record. >> what i'm saying absolutely, if a record is filed now that you're an adult and go to the police apparently in 2006, as far as we know, for abuse that allegedly happened in 2002 or 2003, you're filing it as an adult, there's no juvenile issue implicated only thing implicate relating to a juvenile in the records would be the victims that you saw. >> okay. >> and the daughters. >> ten seconds left, literally. that means that duggars who have said they want to pursue legal action against this police department for releasing these records under the freedom of information act, you don't think they'll prevail? >> that's an -- the real
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interest here is really not them, most respectfully, because you can argue who the real victims are here, the victims are the children abused. the issue is, to protect in the future any juvenile record from becoming public so as to preserve the integrity and identity of any juvenile. >> all right. >> that's the long-term issue. >> we'll watch to see if that launch that kind kind of action. pleasure and a privilege. >> my. >> check out a massive hole that opened up on a street in denver early this morning. can't make this up. in the middle of that hole is a police car. that police car dropped more than 10 feet down into that car. the helicopter shot shows it. the police officer was able to get himself out of that. and he told reporters he's glad it happened to him and not to someone who may not have been prepared for it. although i don't know how police officers could be prepared for that kind of thing. few hours before that, there was some crazy weather, several inches of this.
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hail. fell in the denver area. people had to bust out the snow shovels to clear the driveways and the streets. knee deep in hailstones. i am going to remind you, it is june elsewhere in colorado, two separate tornadoes touching down last night, one in larry mer, the other in albert. several homes badly damaged. no injuries to report. wow. again, it's june. it's also friday. thanks for watching. "wolf" starts now. i'm wolf blitzer, it's 1:00 a.m. friday in -- actually saturday in beijing. wherever you're watching around the world, thanks very much for joining us. we start with a massive cyber attack on the u.s. federal government. hackers broke into the computer system at the office of personnel management, giving them access to the personnel records of more than 4 million americans current and former federal employees.


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