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alex gordon in the ninth followed by a sacrifice fly in the 14th to take a 1-0 lead in the fall classic against those evil mets. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper turning you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, breaking news. anti-missile blimp, a massive device the size of a football field breaks free from its moorings in maryland, tracked by fighter jets. it wreaks havoc in pennsylvania as its mile-long cable drags behind knocking out power lines. what went wrong? meeting with the enemy, iran accepted invitation to join u.s.-led talks on the syria crisis. and as the u.s. weighs sending more troops into combat against isis, iraq says no thanks. is the balance of power shifting to america's adversaries? swinging at hillary. just hours before the republican debate the democratic presidential candidates are going at it. is their campaign about to go negative? one-on-one this hour with
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senator bernie sanders. and fugitive manhunt. they've stepped up the search seizing vehicles, weapons, even airplanes now. authorities say they're closing in on one of the world's most notorious drug lords. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. >> the breaking news, a massive military blimp the size of a football field breaks free from its mooring in maryland and now trailed by f-16 jet fighters leaves a trail of damage in pennsylvania. used by norad, the north american aerospace command to blimp is now downed, on the - runaway flight the mile-long cable dragged behind hitting power lines and causing massive power outages. and one of america's most inner foes, iran accepted an invitation to join u.s.-led
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talks at ending the disastrous civil war in syria. talks are due to convene friday in sienna, austria. peace efforts got a boost after russia muscled its way into syria, like iran fighting in support of the damascus regime. but with the isis war also raging, the battle lines are blurred. and those talks won't be easy. i'll speak with democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders and congresswoman tulsi gabbard. and our correspondents, analysts and guests, they'll have full coverage of the day's top stories. let's get to the breaking news first. a giant air defense blimp chased by fighter jets after it broke loose from its mooring in maryland, caused chaos in pennsylvania as its cable took out power lines. but that massive blimp is now being secured. let's begin with our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. what's the latest, barbara? what are you hearing? >> good evening, wolf. things appear to be calming down a bit. this all began at midday north
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of washington, d.c. in maryland. when this blimp came loose from its moorings and took off unpowered, uncontrolled flight for about 200 miles into northeastern pennsylvania chased by two f-16 fighters we now know those fighters were armed. the military says it had no plan to shoot down the blimp. it was simply tracking it, trying to keep air space safe. but look, those armed f-16s were possibly going to be called into action if it came to that. during the four-hour ride of this blimp the big concern is that it might impact populated areas, it might cause damage and in fact as it began to deflate and descend over northeastern pennsylvania the cable it was dragging apparently dragged through power lines causing perhaps up to 20,000 people in the area to lose their power. now, the u.s. military working with state and local law enforcement authorities to secure the site this is classified military technology.
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they want people to stay safe. they want them to stay away from this. it's not -- you know, they need to make sure this thing stays on the ground, it doesn't drift possibly. if the wind picks up and they need to recover that classified technology. wolf. >> major, major development today. all right, barbara, thank you. joining us on the phone right now is captain scott miller of norad, captain miller, thanks so much for joining us. did this blimp, the jlens as it's called, did it deflate on its own? is that what brought it down to earth? >> well, that's exactly one of the things that we're investigating that we'll be investigating in the coming days, wolf. it's unknown the specific cause of the deflation of the aerostat, but it is certainly known that it did deflate. and it has come to rest in the montour county area of pennsylvania where pennsylvania national guard and local authorities are securing the
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area. it's a rugged wooded area that they are currently securing and we continue to monitor the situation and work closely with the national guard and with local authorities on that securing process to include sending a technical recovery team from aberdean proving ground which is where this aerostat was moored earlier today before it became detached. >> what happened? how did it become detached? >> it's unknown exactly why it detached. we -- there are established weather minimums for the flying, if you will, or the launching of the jlens aerostat. based on our best information at this point we were within those weather parameters when it broke free. the jlens was moored. it was operating at approximately 6,600 feet when it broke free.
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and subsequently climbed to about 15,000 feet which it maintained while we were monitoring it and prior to it beginning to deflate and land in montour county. >> was the cause of this human error or something sinister? or was it simply something else? >> i certainly wouldn't speculat speculate on that, wolf. i think we're going to be investigating this thoroughly. in the meantime there's a second aerostat associated with this system which will be grounded conducted. but at this point we don't know why it detached. and we're going to have to investigate it. >> has this ever happened before with one of these blimps? >> it has not not with the jlens system. this has not happened before in the history of this system. >> it's a really sophisticated system with all sorts of heavy surveillance equipment inside. first of all, give us a rough estimate how much does one of these costs? >> i don't have the exact figure of the cost, wolf, but i would
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say it is definitely a sophisticated system. it's a system that is in operational tests currently and which is part of the system of systems which defends the national capital region despite the fact that this aerostat became detached today however we're certainly confident in the continuing status of defense of the ncr. >> we know that u.s. air force f-16 jet fighters were launched to follow this blimp. they were launched from new jersey. was there ever any consideration giving the need to potentially have to shoot this blimp down? >> it is true that we very quickly launched f-16 fighters from a national guard base in atlantic city. and we monitored the blimp throughout. it was not a consideration to shoot down. our sole concentration was working closely with the faa to ensure air security, working closely with fema, working with
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the pennsylvania national guard and with the local authorities to ensure that we were able to safely secure it, which is where we are in the process right now. >> what would have happened if fortunately it didn't but if this blimp would have crash sbood a heavily populated area with all the heavy sophisticated radar equipment inside? >> definitely a valid concern, wolf. something we were working closely with our intere interagency partners on. fortunately in this case we appeared to have a grounding in a rugged wooded area in pennsylvania. >> because as you know this blimp was sort of flying loose over pennsylvania in the northeast corridor. a lot of aircraft flying around there. how concerned were you, fortunately it didn't happen, that a plane could have crashed into this blimp? >> we were immediately concerned. and that's part of the interagency process that we here at norad have in place to handle and to deal with situations just like this. so as you might imagine we were communicating immediately with the faa to deconflict the air
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space, to ensure air security and to prevent an accident that could occur as the blimp continued to drift with the winds. >> we know that the cable that was dragging look and hitting ground was breaking up power lines causing a lot of disruption, a lot of homes without power in that area. who's going to pay for the damage? >> so i couldn't speculate on that for you, wolf. i have seen reports that there were power outages, there was an unknown amount of cable that was trailing the aerostat. and that was certainly part of our safety concerns and some of the information that we put out immediately and we're working closely with the interagency and local authorities to make sure that people knew that there was a concern and that they should avoid the aerostat and potential cable contact with the ground. >> this particular aerostat as you call it, this blimp, this jlens, you said there were two of them in existence right now, is that right? >> that's correct. there is a surveillance jlens
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aerostat, which is the one that broke loose today. and there's a fire control system version. the two aerostats work in tandem and are currently part of an operational test, which is all part again of the system of systems for the defense of the national capital region. >> normally how manypeople would be inside that blimp if it were a normal operation? >> oh, it's an unmanned aerostat. these -- both aerostats are unmanned. there are no people inside. >> so even though it's unmanned you didn't have the capability from the ground to control it in this particular case? >> once the mooring tether was broken, once the aerostat was airborne, no, there was no means. normally this is an aerostat that we would return to the ground by retracting it on its mooring cable. >> captain miller, scott miller of norad. thanks very much for the information. very important information. let's hope you figure out what happened so it doesn't happen again. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. brian todd is taking a closer
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look at this blimp, where it was flying before it eventually came down for several hours, what are you learning, brian? >> new details from norad, captain scott miller and others talking with us tonight. another official i spoke with said they have nothing to indicate this drifting jlens was a threat to any populated centers, wolf. it became untethered at the aberdeen proving ground. the aerostat is now on the ground in northeastern pennsylvania. we do have reports, wolf, from pennsylvania state officials and others of power outages there from cables dragging on the ground. this twitter picture shows a mark on the ground near montor county where the cable from the aerostat dragged. there have been no injuries according to a norad official we spoke with. there is a recovery team headed to that area to secure the jlens, wolf. >> once it sort of just went up in the sky there was fear it could have exploded.
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there's helium inside, right? >> that's right. it was certainly a concern for a period of hours here, wolf. show you some of the other images of the jlens. a norad official we spoke with says helium of course has a flammable quality to it, but says the jlens is pressurized inside it. that pressure dissipates, as that pressure dissipates the flammability decreases. he says they do not believe there were any explosions, any punctures or serious punctures at least, no explosions associated with the grounding of this. now, on the electronics and everything that's interesting. norad officials tell us the aerostat has very sensitive electronics on board. they've got to secure this quickly. as we said recovery team is headed there now. this aerostat has no cameras but has very sophisticated surveillance radar. here's a picture of some of the electronics on board. this radar can cover an area the size of texas, wolf. it's got the capability to track fast moving incoming planes and other projectiles including, wolf, cruise missiles, we're told, just as they're being
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fired. very sophisticated technology on board this aerostat. those recovery teams have to get there quickly and secure this stuff. >> captain miller said they're investigating how it became untethered. do we have more information on that, brian? >> not really, wolf. no information on how it became untethered. they say they're investigating that. what we do know is that the lines, the tether lines are about an inch and an eighth thick. they are tethered very strongly to the ground. they can withstand 100-mile-an-hour winds, but again that's under investigation as to exactly how this thing became untethered. no word of 100-mile-an-hour winds up in that area of aberdeen proving ground where we know this was moored about 6,600 feet above the ground today, wolf. >> brian, thanks very much. i want to bring in our aviation analyst. you heard the captain the norad communications director say never happen before. how could this happen? >> you know, it's hard to say, wolf. i checked the winds. they were about 50 miles an hour at altitude. 50. about half of what it's rated -- >> not on the ground. >> this is right up at altitude right where it should have been right on 10,000 feet.
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interesting the wind direction was kind of key here. it was right out of the due south sending it up straight to the north. if it had been out of the southwest sending up to the northeast, think of the population center we'd be talking about. it would have headed toward philadelphia ultimately on its way to the new york metro region. good that it went straight north toward the wilkes bury area. >> they have to figure out a way to make sure it doesn't get unat the time -- untethered. >> i would say at least two cables. this is a controversial program. >> it is controversial. >> well, it's meant to replace the airborne awax aircraft, which are expensive to ply and can only stay up for so long. this can stay up for 30 days and can surveil all the way down to north carolina up through new york and guard against 9/11 style attacks, that kind of thing. but it's been slow to roll out. you'll recall when that ultralight aircraft landed on the mall it wasn't even operational that day. no one saw it coming.
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and, well, this white blimp is a bit of a white elephant thus far. and today one more thing to think about as the pentagon spends $2.5 billion on this program. >> $2.5 billion? >> it's a big program. >> for these two -- >> well, it's an overall program. i think the blimp itself is in the nine figures $180 million or so, it's an expensive project. there's no question it does afford a measure of defense. operating in tandem with the targeting blimp, this is the surveillance blimp. and if there were a slow low attack, presumably it would see it. but it's got to be operational. and it's been very difficult getting this thing up and running. >> miles o'brien, thanks very much. >> you're welcome. joining us now democratic congresswoman tulsi gabbard of hawaii, she's an iraq war veteran. we've got a lot to discuss, congresswoman. but let me get your reaction to this blimp disaster that occurred today. could have been obviously a whole lot worse, but it does raise all sorts of serious questions. >> it does, wolf.
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aloha, first of all, it's good to talk to you. i think most importantly it's good that no one got hurt. i think there could have been the potential for accidents of various sorts as this blimp was moving out on its own and uncontrolled. but i also have questions, many of which you've already been asking really about how did this thing get untethered. an asset of this value, of this size and of this importance, what exactly happened and what will happen to make sure it doesn't happen again? >> are these blimps a good investment for our u.s. military? >> well, it's something that i think has been described as a value added asset. i'm not as familiar with all the details of exactly everything that it can do, what's been invested and what coverage it has. but i think as we look at what occurred today, a lot of these questions will be asked and be looking for those answers. >> i'm sure you're going to be doing that. all right, congresswoman, we have much more to discus including late breaking developments unfolding right now in iraq and syria. with iran now directly involved in these talks that are
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we're talking with congresswoman tulsi gabbard. we'll get back to her in a moment. but first in syria poorly equipped kurdish fighters are managing to regain some ground
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from isis. and they're preparing for a u.s. backed offensive against isis strongholds at the same time. our senior international correspondent cla ris sa ward went to the front lines in northeastern syria, found the newly liberated territory is still very vulnerable. she's now back in northern iraq in irbil. she's joining us live. the kurdish fighters they have paid a very heavy price. >> reporter: they have, wolf. and we visited some of those newly liberated areas. and honestly you don't actually see anybody celebrating just yet and that's because the devastation after these months of terrible fighting is enormous. and people are still very unsure of what the future will bring. weeks ago these dusty plains were held by isis. this is what's left of its presence now. the charred remains of a training camp hidden in a pine forest. it's where isis trained an elite unit of suicide bombers that attacked kurdish positions with
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devastating effect. kurdish fighters known as the ypg, took this entire area from isis in august. but holding it along the front line more than 400 miles long is a huge challenge. in the shadow of mt. abdulazeez, the commander lost 30 of his fighters in a recent battle when isis came down from the mountain. >> translator: the enemy attacked us with a large number of fighters using heavy weapons. they took control of three villages. and after that the clashes lasted for hours until we were in control again. >> reporter: zinar is a battalion commander, but this is the size of his battalion. a handful of poorly equipped men, the nearest friendly forces are miles away. the cost of pushing isis out has been enormous. streets here are draped with the flags of fighters killed in battle along desolate roads through abandoned villages we
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saw scene upon scene of devastation. the wreckage of months of fierce fighting and relentless coalition air strikes. dozens of villages like this one that were liberated from isis months ago are now still completely deserted. now, that's partly because the isis militants before they retreated planted land mines and traps all across this area. but it's also because many people here aren't convinced that isis won't be coming back. in the tiny village we met a woman who's lived here all her life. she told us she was too afraid to leave home when isis was in control. that they'd beat and killed people and brought misery upon the community. there were no air strikes before they arrived. and then the strikes started. there was one next to me. we were scared of everything, not just isis. are you still afraid, i ask, she says not.
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but glances warily at the kurdish ypg fighters with us. the kurds question the loyalty of many of these villages claiming they harbor isis sympathizers. the killing may have stopped, but there is no peace here. the main problem you have now in syria is that these ethnic and sectarian divisions have really deepened, wolf, after years of fighting. our convoy was passing through one village and a boy actually shouted at us god bless daesh, god bless isis. and another kurdish fighter was saying to us, you know what, we are syrians but we are kurdish first. >> clarissa ward in irbil for us. another excellent report. let's get back to congresswoman tulsi gabbard of hawaii. this new u.s. strategy unfolding combat troops potentially in iraq and also syria, you think this is a good idea? >> wolf, i think it's a positive development to hear secretary
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carter talking about really taking a more stronger offensive approach to defeating isis by using our highly trained, highly effective special forces troops working in concert with these kurdish fighters on the ground, these kurdish special forces with some of these sunni tribes. people who are fighting on the ground very effectively against isis. again, i think the more we focus on defeating our enemy, isis, al qaeda and others, the more effective we'll be in accomplishing our mission. >> with the u.s. potentially on the verge of a major military escalation in the fight against isis do you believe it requires congressional authorization? >> i think that the president is within his right, he is authorized to continue to go after the enemy that attacked us on 9/11. they've gone by dimpt names, al qaeda, al nusra, isis, et cetera, et cetera, the thing that i feel is important that congress has not had any voice on, has not authorized is this counterproductive illegal war to
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overthrow the syrian government of assad. this is not only an issue in that respect, but it's actually counterproductive to our being able to defeat our enemy, to defeating isis. and the reason why is because the united states is actually working towards the exact same objective overthrowing the syrian government of assad as isis, as al qaeda, as the islamic extremist groups. so i'm wondering why people aren't asking the question, why is the u.s. working hand in hand with people who are our sworn enemies who attacked us on 9/11. we should stop that and focus solely on defeating our enemy and working with those who'd like to help us accomplish that goal. >> congresswoman tulsi gabbard, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. coming up, senator and democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders, he's here with me in "the situation room." alright team, we've got an f150, needs a systems check and tires. treads, what you got? lookin' a little bald, sir. with all due respect. got the perfect fit -- ready to roll.
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my interview with bernie sanders shortly, but a very different race the republican presidential candidates they are gathering tonight for their third presidential debate. our chief political correspondent dana bash is joining us live from boulder, colorado to set the scene. dana. >> well, it's going to be a very different evening especially for donald trump who is not used to sharing center stage. >> iowa, will you get your numbers up, please?
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>> certainly not the way the candidate who talks constantly about winning wanted to go into tonight's debate, second place nationally and in the first caucus state. >> now, if i lose iowa, i will never speak to you people again, that i can tell you. >> for ben carson being on top now means he has more to lose. >> the person who has the most to do with what happens to you in life is you. >> aides say carson prepped hard this week on policy, in depth q and a with his campaign team on issues of focus in this debate, the economy and jobs. while trump and carson duke it out at the top, the fight further down the field is red hot. >> republicans and conservatives win when we have a more optimistic message. >> jeb bush has to prove he can turn things around. a bush source tells cnn the fiscal issues likely to dominate tonight's debate is in the policy wonk's wheelhouse. but on bush challenges communicating his message, the
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source said he's not going to be someone he's not. >> what about bush? because he's been kind of quiet this year, but you never know with this guy. >> marco rubio is giving bush a run for his money as the candidate of the gop establishment. he released this light hearted pre-debate video about bush, carson and cruz. >> yeah, i know i have a debate, but i got to get this fantasy football thing right. >> less funny for rubio, a hometown paper that endorsed him for senate in 2010 now says he's missed so many votes he should resign. >> taxpayers provide you with $174,000 a year to do your job. do you know how many florida families would kill for a third of that much money each year? >> meanwhile four republican candidates won't make the main stage tonight including gop senator lindsey graham. >> what about the under card situation? >> i think it sucks. >> so what do you really think about the under card situation? >> i really think the whole concept is flawed. >> so that is going to be the challenge for that under card
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as the republican presidential candidates prepare to take on one another in tonight's debate, hillary clinton and her main opponent
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senator bernie sanders they are in an increasingly sharp long distance debate of their own. this list of issues where they have big differences is getting longer every day. senator sanders is joining us now here in "the situation room." senator, thanks very much for coming in. >> thanks. >> let's go through some major national security issues. first you want to be commander in chief, the u.s. has now invited iran to participate in peace talks involving the future of syria. talks are supposed to take place friday in vienna, are you okay with that? >> absolutely i'm okay. look, i think i strongly supported the president's initiative to negotiate in effort with iran to make sure they don't get a nuclear weapon. and i think that opens the potential for us to do more. the irony is you got a lot of young people in iran who look very positively at the united states of america. i think we have real opportunities to work with them. and if we can work together in syria, i think it's a real step forward. >> you don't care that they support this brutal regime of bashar al assad? >> of course i care. of course i care. but i also care that what you got now in syria is a horrendous
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human disaster. hundreds and hundreds of thousands of refugees, god knows how many people have been killed. i want to see that war end. and if we can have iran and i would hope saudi arabia by the way, and russia, involved in ending that war i think that's a step forward. >> the pentagon is with the blessings of the president aparnltly ready to expand the u.s. combat role not only in iraq against isis but in syria as well. are you okay with that? >> well, i have, you know, the devil is in the details, wolf. i haven't seen all the details. clearly we have got to do everything that we can to see that isis does not gain more territory. clearly we have got to arm and support those people in the region who are taking on isis. i think we need american troops there to provide the training to those groups. >> training has not gone well so far. >> that has not gone well. >> hundreds of millions of dollars. >> if your question is am i enthusiastic about seeing
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american troops re-enter combat, the answer is no. >> let's talk a little bit about hillary clinton's comments on the v.a., the scandal involving the v.a. you were the chairman of the veterans affairs committee. she said friday night in an interview on msnbc she said those problems of the v.a. were not as widespread as it has been made out to be. since then her campaign seems to have backtracked a bit on that. you were chairman of the committee. were those reports of the scandals of the v.a. not as significant as they seem to be? >> they were very -- i think -- i do know something about the issue having been chairman for a couple of years. yes, there were significant problems. on the other hand if you talk to the major veterans organizations, the american legion, the va, at the end of the day they will tell you provide high quality health care to the veterans able to get into the system. one of the very serious problems we had were very long waiting
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lists, they were real, they were very serious problems and legislation i worked on with john mccain i hope will significantly improve that situation. >> hillary clinton says they were not as widespread as they were made outd to be, was she wrong? >> i don't know exactly what she meant. clearly there were problems. clearly the v.a. provides good quality health care to millions of our veterans. >> you know, you've been criticized by some veterans groups for not doing more oversight when you were chairman of that committee. >> i know that. on the other hand i must tell you i received the highest awards that came from the american legion and the vfw for my service to veterans. i will stand aside to no one in fighting to make sure the men and women who've put their lives on the line to defend this country get the quality health care they are entitled to and the benefits they need in a timely way. >> do you wish you would have looking back you would have been more assertive? >> i did everything that i can. i think if you talk to most -- look, you know, veterans organizations like everybody else they have differences of opinion. but, again, i am very proud to
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have received the highest award from the two largest veterans organizations in this country for the work i've done with veterans. >> one of your top campaign strategists, a man i know well, tad divine, you know well, he says it's unacceptable for the clinton campaign to attack you on your gun record and also accuse you of sexism. then he told politico, he says, if the clinton campaign continues to do so, in his words, we're going to have to talk about other things involving the former secretary. what is he referring to? >> i have not the slightest idea. look, we are going to run an issue-oriented campaign. if i am attacked by hillary clinton, she has the right to attack me, she has the right to disagree with me, we have the right to disagree with her. of course we're going to talk about her record. she is talking about my record. that's there. so, you know, i think you're going to see some give and take. and we will give back as strongly as we get. >> well, that's a threat -- he made a threat. he says we're not going to stand
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for it. we're not going to sit here and let her attack him. we're going to have to talk about other things if they do that. that's a threat. >> well, i am not making that threat. i don't know what tad meant by that. >> he's your top campaign strategist. >> well, it may be, but i'm the candidate. i run my campaign. so i will tell you what i believe. and that is obviously if we are attacked and if we're attacked unfairly, if i am called a sexist, for example, or other charges are made against me, we will respond forcefully. of course we will, to defend ourselves. and we will very forcefully express our disagreements with secretary clinton on wall street, on the usa patriot act, on the death penalty. on issues where we disagree. that's called politics. >> as someone who covered politics for a long time that sounds like your campaign has come up with opposition research and you're ready to unload on hillary clinton if she continues to criticize and challenge you.
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>> not a question of criticizing. i mean, if they make unfounded criticisms, we are going to respond forcefully. if they express disagreements with us on an issue, that's called democracy. >> do you have a list of issues you're ready to unveil in case she continues this? >> we have a secret list in my pocket that i'm going to take out. no, i think we know hillary clinton's record. she knows my record. we're prepared to discuss her record. >> the polls have you doing well in new hampshire and neighboring state vermont. not well this latest monmoth poll in iowa, not well in south carolina or florida or these other major states right now. how do you plan -- >> first of all that poll was -- i suspect we are behind in iowa. the main iowa poll is the des moines register poll which i think had us down seven points. these polls are not accurate polls. i think we are behind in iowa. we are now putting together a very strong ground organization, but it's not widely known is secretary clinton's campaign has spent many, many millions of dollars on tv ads in iowa and new hampshire. we have not yet spent a nickel.
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that is going to change. >> this poll did not have biden in the race and that was a significant development. because a lot of his potential supporters have gone to her, not to you. >> well, we'll see how that plays out. but again, we have not done one penny of tv advertisement. she has done millions of dollars. and i think once we're up on the air that will change. >> senator, thanks very much for coming in. >> my pleasure. >> good luck on the campaign trail. >> thank you. up next, an update on what one u.s. drug agent calls the full court press to capture one of the world's most wanted criminals. we're learning new details about the search for an escaped drug lord.
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>> we're following developments of one of the most wanted fugitives, brian, what are you learning? >> wolf, tonight sources are telling us the dragnet for "el chapo" is getting more intense and the circle is closing. authorities have houses of his under surveillance and confiscated some of his most crucial assets, including some he could use to make a long distance escape. tonight, mexican forces may be closer to finding the most dangerous drug lord. mexican officials tell cnn they searched several holmes belongig to the cartel in three mexican states including his home state. police confiscated vehicles, weapons, more than 450 packages like drugs, cocaine, heroin and meth and surprisingly, 11 airplanes used by the cartel. >> they seized a number of his small aircraft, which tells me they are cutting off his means of escape by air.
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>> former dea operations chief michael brawn says there is a foul court press to capture "el chapo" who slipped through a dragnet by jumping or falling off a cliff in a scene straight out of the movie "the fugitive." the dea and other agencies are providing intelligence while mexican special forces make intense group sweeps searching for the notorious criminal. if they isolate "el chapo", it's in the necessarily game over. he's twice escaped police through tunnels. tonight, a mexican official tells cnn shortly before he was captured last year, mexican marines were tipped off he was at one of his houses in mexico, but when they tried to break down his door, the battering ram cracked. one official says "el chapo's" door was custom made of steel with water inside the skin. it took marines ten minutes to get inside, enough time for "el chapo" to get away.
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a bigger issue may be his network of supporters in the mountains where he's based. >> if you go in with military force, people will say very quickly, the cartel has spies on the roads who can watch. >> reporter: making things more complicated, the fear "el chapo" may have step in the united states. cnn learned they are tracking his wife, a former beauty queen who is an american citizen believed to be seen in these pictures. >> she's certainly a suspect of interest on steroids. she's a direct family member. she has lived and been with him for a few years now, and knows, you know, intimate details of his operations and tactics, techniques and procedures. >> if there is a confrontation looming with "el chapo", it could get messy. the drug lord travels with as many as 300 body guards with him who carry weapons ranging from machine guns to grenade
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happening now, breaking news, run away danger, a huge missile detecting blimp mysteriously breaks free raising fears of a devastating crash as it knocks down power lines and floats on the loose. tonight, the blimp is down and the u.s. military faces critical questions about what went wrong. escalating showdown, just hours after a u.s. warship sails through waters claimed by china, there is a new warning that beijing is preparing for the worst including war. under sea threat, russian submarines are prowling alarmingly close to internet cables below the water. could moscow be planning an assault to shut down online communication around the globe? we'll tell you what we're learning from u.s. officials. >> officer fired. new fallout from the shockingly violent take down of a high school student all captured on camera. a second teenager who was arrested is talking to cnn about the moments you don't see on video. we want to welcome our
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viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're "the situation room." the breaking news tonight, a potentially disastrous escape of the u.s. military blimp that mysteriously broke free from its base in maryland. u.s. fighter jets tracked the warship for hours as it dragged a mile-long cable knocking out electricity to nearly 20,000 holes. it landed in pennsylvania just a little while ago. so far there is no explanation about how this happened. putting people at risk on the ground for the blimp as large as a football field that can carry 7,000 pounds of sensitive radar and equipment. we're tracking ominous moves by russian submarines that carry most of the world's internet
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communications with cold war style tensions on the rise, u.s. officials are revealing their assessment of who moscow may be up to. those stories and more, a top member of the intelligence and foreign relations committees. our core sprespondents and anal are standing by to cover the breaking news. first, let's go to barbara starr. what are you learning about how this mysterious blimp incident happened? >> wolf, good evening, this went on for over three hours as this blimp drifted 200 ocmiles from maryland as it drifted into northeastern pennsylvania dragging that cable behind it ripping out power supplies to some 20,000 people in that area of pennsylvania tracked by two armed f-16ths and people on the ground would not be in harm's way when it fell to earth. just before 4:00, it started
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deflating. they do not know why it started deflating and they were able eventually to secure it in northeastern pennsylvania. the question tonight, wolf, is what happened. obviously this is a big problem, not supposed to happen. it's even supposed to deflate if there is an emergency and it drifts off the tether. it's not supposed to be designed for this kind of contingency that happened today. major investigation underway looking at the whole military effort here, the contractor that runs the program, a number of contractors involved trying to figure out what happened and whether they want to continue with this now. what is the level of danger and uncertainty that something like this poses until they find out exactly what happened, they won't be able to answer that question, wolf? >> it's a huge program. billions of dollars have been invested in this program, right? >> exactly. this is one part of a larger effort to develop a type of
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high-tech tethered drone blimp that can carry the radar equipment to watch on a 360 degree level for unidentified aircraft, incoming loaf line cruise missiles. part of the effort to keep especially the washington d.c. capital region areas air defense air safe to keep the air -- the skies over washington safe. this was undergoing operational testing. here is a really interesting question. norad said no worries, the national capital skies are absolutely safe. they are safe all the time. they have plenty of assets. it's going to, again, perhaps raise questions why are they spending billions on this if already the skies really are safe. >> good question, indeed. thanks very much for that barbara starr. let's bring in our aviation analyst miles o'bryan. potentially they should have shot this blimp down but that would have been a disaster given
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the money they invested. >> it's interesting. it's neutrally buoyant and designed to have equal pressure on both sides of the envelope. to shoot it down is no small task. you would have to unleash quite a few 20 millimeter rounds to do it. clearly, it was losing helium and designed to stay up there for 30 days and came down quickly. was it a result of the accident or something along the way that caused the helium to expel. >> this is the first time ever a blimp like this has ever gone unteethered and starting floating away. do they have a sense how this happened. >> it was fairly windy. la lousy weather, makes you wonder why they didn't have a second or third tether. redundancy would have been good. >> it could have been different if it crash landed. >> if you went up the northeast,
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up the 95 corridor, the most densely populated corridor in this country, i shutter to think of some possibilities. the good news is, it moves slowly. it moves about as quickly as the wind and you would see it coming, it wouldn't come down quickly and you have the ability to anticipate. fortunately, the wind was blowing straight north and frankly some unpopulated areas. >> yeah, could have been a whole, whole lot worse. >> yes. >> now they have to figure out how this happened to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> which is what aviation is all about, exactly. >> miles, thanks very, very much. >> you're welcome. >> let's get to the escalating tensions between the united states and china after an american warship sailed into disputed territory. there is a warning china is not afraid of actually going to war. let's bring in our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. neither side seems to be budging. >> certainly not. that warning coming in a chinese newspaper tied to the ruling
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communist party and lays out a series of possible military steps including firing shots across their bows and disabling them arguing such moves will send a message that china is not intimidated by the possibility of war, but the paper also says the moves by the u.s. navy are largely political, a show it called them. u.s. officials are urging deescalation. tonight beijing is firing a rhetorical shot across the bow. after a u.s. destroyer sailed right through waters claimed by china, a newspaper closely tied to the chinese communist party encouraging the government to convince washington that china is quote, not frightened to fight a war with the u.s. in the region. spokesman for the chinese defense ministry demanded the transits stop. >> translator: the united states should take concrete measures to correct the wrongdoing and prevent such incidents from happening again. >> reporter: u.s. officials insist the transits by u.s. navy
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ships are not incidents at all but legal, even routine navigation in waters no nation can claim as their own. >> to sail a ship through international waters is not a provocative act in any way whatsoever and shouldn't be taken as a provocative act. >> reporter: not backing down, the u.s. military says such passes near disputed artificial chinese islands in the south china sea will continue. >> we will fly, sail and operate wherever international law permits in whatever and wherever our operation needs required. >> reporter: china is threatening to expand military actives in the area to warn away u.s. vessels and aircraft. as we saw during an exclusive flight in a surveillance plane this may. state department urged china to avoid further escalating tensioning. >> we want to see the tensioning deescalate and calm down and we don't believe it's in anybody's benefit for there to be any
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militarization of these reclaimed features. >> reporter: the u.s. navy is making preparations to make these transits routine. how frequent remains a decision for the president. there was also news today that one u.s. allely in australia planning on joining to echo the waters, wolf, are international. >> jim sciutto reporting. >> iran is preparing to join international talks on the war on syria after accepting an invitation from the united states. there are indications that tie ran is taking involvement in the meetings seriously. our global affairs correspondent is joining us with more. iran sending a high delegation, a high-level delegation for these talks on friday. >> that's right, wolf. four ministers will be there. at first iranians were hinting it would be a deputy minister. we're not sure how much influence he has. he was the key architect of the
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iranian nuclear deal, but the revolutionariry guards are believed to have more sway on the syria policy so we have to see. it's very significant iran is willing to start cooperating on issues outside the nuclear deal, and also the fact that other countries like saudi arabia who had balked at iran coming will be willing to sit with them at the table. >> very significant, indeed. the invitation i take it was formally extended by the united states to iran. this is pretty significant since for the last several years the u.s. has refused to talk about, to talk to iran about anything other than the nuclear deal. >> that's right. it was officially handed to the iranians by the russians. the u.s. is letting them take the lead with the iranians but it was on behalf of the united states and for years, the u.s. said they didn't want to talk to iran specifically having a role in syria because they weren't willing to talk about assad's oust.
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it's a recognition, wolf, iran is one of the major players on the ground between its forces and hasballah as we reported. they are deepening involvement. real recognition by the u.s. that any serious effort is solve the civil war is not going to be solved without iran at the table and russia and the europeans have been arguing for them there. russian intervention, iranian nuclear deal having a hand. at the table, secretary kerry developed a good working relationship with the foreign minister. i don't think iran will do a 180 and be able to cut us loose any time soon but i think their willingness to participate could be an important factor in getting everybody to the table to try and find some kind of formula for a political solution, wolf. >> joining us now is a leading member of the senate intelligence republican senator james risch. thanks for coming in.
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want to talk about iran, russia, syria, all that in a moment but this military blimp that simply got untethered, floating around pennsylvania. this is billions of dollars invested in these blimps and some suggested this is a waste of money. have you looked into the program? >> we had general briefings on this so far. there hasn't been any blame but obviously there is clearly human error in this. this shouldn't happen under ordinary circumstances. >> remember when the gyro cop ter was floating around and the blimp in maryland was supposed to have known that but it wasn't operational. the l.a. times says the jaelyns, the official name for the blimp is a stark example of what defense officials call a zombie program, costly and seemingly impossible to kill. this is a 2.5 billion-dollar program, a lot of money. >> a lot of money. these are things in the tight budget area, things that will be
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looked at critically when you have something like this happen it certainly doesn't speak well for the program. >> let's talk about other issues going on right now. you heard elyce report, the u.s. invited iran to participate in the talks involving the future of syria, uaustria starting on friday. the foreign minister of iran will be there. are you with the administration on this? >> i think that clearly when you're going to have talks like that, everybody should be invited and i think people are expressing surprise that the iranians will show up when the they said we're not going to deal with the united states. he did that not long after the agreement was signed. i'm not surprised. the last time they sat down they walked away with a farm. i would think they would be dde because they have been very, very successful in negotiations. >> because you're talking about the nuclear deal. >> absolutely. >> that you voted against. >> i did. >> the fear is, at least the critics say that iran coming
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into these talks about the future of syria together with russia, both of them are strong supporters of the regime of bashar al-assad. >> with the nuclear agreement, there is basic differences between the parties. iran said look, we're not going to sit down unless you agree we can continue to rich uranium, which the united states didn't want to do. they sat down and walked away with that this time you have the russians and you have iran saying we're not going to be any part of a deal that boots bashar al-assad out of power and the united states is specific policy, announced policy is that assad has to go. so how you reconcile those two i don't know. i suspect as far as assad is concerned, the courts and europe will want to have a talk with he and other people and as much as
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they use chemical weapons on their people. >> on china, the south china sea eyeball to eyeball potential confrontation over the man made islands there, the chinese says this is their territory, the u.s. says not so fast. potentially, this could be very serious. >> it could be. this is something really, really important for administration to get a handle on quickly. they need to sit down and have the talks they are talking about in other things with china on this particular issue. >> we have much more to discuss. stay with us, senator, much more with senator risch right after this.
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noticing russian submarines increased activity in the atlantic and think one of their targets of surveillance, not attack, surveillance are the under sea cables that run under the atlantic between the u.s. and europe carrying vital data, voice, internet, all the communications fundamentally between the two continents. this is some of the most critical infrastructure the u.s. has. what they noticed is russian submarines stepping up patrolling, very secretly trying to maneuver near the cables, not to cut them but maybe poke at the united states and say here we are because there are also sensors that warn the u.s. when a submarine, when something is approaching those cables. they also last month saw a russian intelligence ship, surface ship very unusual come down the east coast of the united states, go down to cuba and then go back across the atlantic. we are told u.s. naval
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intelligence tracked that all the way. perhaps, all of this the latest wrinkle in the cat and mouse game between the u.s. and russia and a lot of concern that underlying all of this is russian effort to step up their military operations from ukraine to syria and off the coast of the united states. wolf? >> very worrisome developments. let's bring back david risch. >> it's no secret all nations first world countries that track military maneuvers of other nations. barbara said this was done secretly. the russians know they can't do this secretly any more than we can. >> what are they trying to achieve? do they want to penetrate the cables? get sensitive information. they certainly don't want to destroy them. >> that's exactly right.
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if you had terrorist organizations looking at these, you would be concerned. if those cables were cut, injured or what have you, the russians stand to lose a whole lot because they are on those cables with financial transactions that go back and forth between london and new york, as much as any other country in the world. they depend on them. the world economy depends on them, and they are very important. >> short of destroying them or breaking them or anything like that, could they tamper with them to pick up sensitive information? >> yeah, highly unlikely. is it possible, yes, it's possible. would they like to, certainly they would like to but there are ways and means of people knowing when those things have been tampered with. >> they are trying to show off a little bit? >> i think this is part of the putin strategy of aggravation to the united states and perhaps it's because of the sanctions we put on russia. that's the most likely thing aggravating him. barbara ticked off all the
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things that russia is doing to provoke, aggravate, cause the united states concern and it's on going and as she pointed out, i think everyone has noticed since late july, early august, this whole thing has ratcheted up and that's when the movement started of the troops and materials and everything else going into syria. >> so reminiscing of the battle days of the cold war. let's talk about syria. ash carter suggesting there is a great greater combat role for the u.s. and also in syria. is that okay? >> i think they got the cart before the horse. we need to know what the strategy is. we need to know what tactics -- >> the strategy to degrade and destroy isis. >> that's the objective. the strategy is another question. i can tell you congress is not on board with stepping this up with mission creep, with going
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forward with combat troops there without knowing a whole lot more. >> do they need formal congressional authorization to step it up? >> white house says no, congress yes. >> what do you say? >> one of the things that distinguishing the united states, is we, the american people have with held the power to do military action with the civilian branch of the government, the first branch of government. that lies in the hands of congress not in the hands of the military. >> senator risch thanks for joining us. >> you bet. just ahead, a sheriff's deputy fired for throwing a high school student to the ground in a violent arrest caught on video. will there be any more punishment? >> the fate of two teeners arrested. why they are facing criminal charges tonight. w the secret to a happy home in these modern times? it's a housewife who's in control of the finances. actually, any wife, husband, or human person
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the deputy sheriff, a school resource officer as he's called threw a teenage girl has been fired. ben fields violated regulations in an incident that's adding new fuel to the heated debate among policing and race. martin savidge is there, details
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unfolding even as we speak. >> reporter: they are, wolf. you know, the sheriff out here said that after he saw that video, he wanted to move very quickly on this case. 48 hours later, he did. giving the announcement just about everybody expected. >> [ bleep ]. >> reporter: tonight the officer in this video out of a job. >> 20 minutes ago, school resource officer ben fields was terminated from the richland county sheriff's department. >> reporter: the internal affairs division determining ben fields used excessive force while removing the 16-year-old student from her classroom. >> there were techniques taught, pressure points and other things you use, it's called pain compliance and throwing someone across the room is not pain compliance and that's not something that we teach. >> reporter: in the incident report filed by officer fields, he said he used muscling techniques, after she refused
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his request to get up. then according to the report, she hit him in the chest with a closed fist. the student's attorney claims the student's arm is in a cast and that she also injured her head. a second student arrested is 18-year-old kenny that tells cnn it started when the student refused to hand over her phone to the math teacher and that's when fields was called in to remove her. kenny says she was upset and screaming at the officer. that's when fields then arrested her. >> he said you got so much, you got something you want to say? you got something you want to say? you want some of this, too? i was like no and i put my hands behind me back. >> reporter: some of the students in the close room including the one that shot this video are coming out in support of fields saying he was facing an unruly student and not excusing officer field's behavior, the officer is holding that student accountable for her actions, as well. >> we must not lose sight this
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incident started by this student. he is responsible for initiating this action. some responsibility that falls on her. >> reporter: fields has an attorney. scott hays issued a statement, the officer would like to thank those that have come to his support and the attorney says they are going to show that all the actions by this former officer now were lawful and the correct procedure. >> martin, thanks very much. let's get more now with the president and ceo of the national, naacp cornell william brooks, thanks for coming in. i assume you agree it was appropriate to fire the sheriff? >> yes, we have an officer that flips a student out of a desk and throws them across the room. >> in this case, her. >> her, and as he puts it, use
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muscling techniques. this is just -- this is very distressing. it's a 16-year-old. the fact of the matter is, police officers should not be put in the role of being especially social workers with a badge and baton or handcuffs. mature experienced teaching with judgment would have been a better resource here than a school resource officer with handcuffs. this is a very, very dangerous situation where essentially a student refuses to compile with her teacher or with the vice principal. the fact of the matter is, we believe there could have been other strategies employed other than deploying an officer whose pretty strong with a set of handcuffs. >> you said that of this incident you said it's yet another example of the misuse of force and the exceedingly disproportion of contact with
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resources officers with young minority students. explain what you mean by that. >> where we have 14 school resource officers in schools, 14,000 across the country. where we have african american students that represent 16% of the student population, 27% of those refer to law enforcement, 31% of those arrested. so we have what appears to be a disproportion response to disciplinary problems by african americans. any number of scholars across the country attested to a brutally efficient preschool to prison pipeline. we see disparities from the beginning of our children's lives in school systems -- >> so you don't want these police officers, these deputy sheriffs in the schools, is that what you're saying? >> the use of the school resource officers in our schools must be done in a very thoughtful way. they were brought into the schools particularly in the wake
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of columbine but these officers are to be used to protect our students from students with guns as opposed to other students with cell phones. that is not a role here. as one officer put it, one law enforcement official put it, if you wouldn't call 911, then why are you calling sro? a school resource officer. in fact, wolf, just yesterday i had the opportunity to speak to a annual convention of international association of chiefs of police. >> in chicago. >> in chicago. where the president spoke. and what we heard from them was they don't want to be used as social workers. they don't want to be used to cure all of society's ills. they want to be used and deployed in terms of protecting the country, protecting communities, protecting schools, not solving run of the mill routine disciplinary problems.
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>> in this particular case, this 16-year-old girl african american and deputy sheriff white but these police officers that go to the schools presumably it started because there were gang violence and some gang members had weapons, whether knives or guns. >> indeed. that's a problem we have to address with the appropriate level of law enforcement. but we we have a run of the mill disciplinary problem we should not deploy the police to solve that kind of problem. in fact, think about it this way, if you had a parent flip her child out of a desk like that, throw them across the close room in a public way, we might call the department of family services. the fact that the police officer does this does not make it any more right. it's an inappropriate use of force. that is the fact. it's the reason why parents all across the country are deeply disturbed by this video, and it
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appears to be yet again another in a string of such videos. >> this young 16-year-old girl was apparently, wanted to use her cell phone or something, didn't want to give it to the teacher, refused, assistant principal and refused and called the deputy sheriff to come in and we saw the video. she's charged, this 16-year-old girl of a crime, criminal charge. you're a lawyer. apparently another girl in the case taking the video also charged. both of them potentially could face severe charges. >> this is deeply problematic. the fact of the matter we as parents, grandparents that deal with adolescent behavior and the fact teenagers aren't always inclined to do what their parents and teachers and others in positions of authority ask them to do, but we don't handcuff, we don't charge young people with crimes for adolescent behavior. if that were the case, i would suggest modestly every member of
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congress and the supreme court and many of us in responsible positions would have criminal records because we were all teenagers at one point. >> so you want them to drop the charges against these two young girls. >> i would like them to drop these charges and deal with thesed ale these ed aless sanlts. >> is there a double standard with young minorities in urban areas and predominantly white schools where kids, teenagers can obviously do stupid stuff, too. >> statistics suggest there is a problem. at the end of the day, they are children and they need to be responded to as such. experienced teachers will tell you that a smile, judgment, discretion, a listening ear, those are effective tools, not handcuffs. >> so you -- is there an important lesson we should learn from this moving forward to make
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sure it doesn't happen again? >> the important lesson here is to look at minority youth for what they are. they are youth, no more, no less. no more dangerous, no less dangerous and they need to be responded to with care and with consideration, compassion. they don't need to be brutalized and dtraumatized. >> james comey, what did you think of his suggest not based on scientific statistic evidence but suggesting post ferguson, missouri police officers may be more reluctant to get out of their cars and do what they are supposed to do because of video cameras and cell phones and the folks out there, people are supposed to be protecting are potentially more endangered. >> we can't blame young people with cell phones who are trying to protheect themselves by filmg police misconduct. we can't blame them.
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the fact of the matter is the fbi director knows his theory is just a theory. most don't support it, the department of justice doesn't support it. i believe he's gone beyond speculation in a way the facts don't support. >> so you don't accept this post ferguson -- >> the ferguson effect. i'm not aware of anyone that's come forward to suggest the ferguson is in effect ferguson or anyplace else. >> you live in baltimore, that's where the naacp is head quartered. is there a post baltimore? >> we heard of this suggestion in new york. >> what about baltimore? >> there are rises in crime and when you talked to experienced detectives, too little too early to draw useful conclusions there. >> cornell william brooks, thanks for coming in.
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>> thank you, wolf. >> appreciate it. conflicting reports about the student's injuries. we'll talk about that and more when we come back. tonight we come to let loose. tonight we come to dance. they try to put us in a box, they try to categorize us. saying: we gotta dress like this, we gotta talk like that... but we say no more! ♪ spirit use your wings. freedom! ♪ tonight we change things. freedom. freedom. big day?
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a white school resource officer, deputy sheriff in south carolina is fired by the sheriff's department. i violent arrest of a black
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teenage girl accused of disturbing her class, an incident caught on camera. let's dig deeper with our cnn anchor don lemon. the criminal defense attorney, our cnn legal analyst and cnn law enforcement analyst cedric alexander. don, your take on what we heard. he fired the deputy sheriff but at the same time, he said that 16-year-old girl in the class was responsible for starting this incident. >> i'm not surprised he was fired, but to say -- i don't want people to disconstew my words? is she responsible for the incident, no. she responsible for being assaulted, no. did she play a role for having the officers come and teacher come into the classroom, yes. for the incident and being beaten she's not responsible. that police officer is the only one responsible for those actions. he should have deescalated the situation and there were other ways to handle it. is she responsible, yes, for
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starting the thing where other people had to be brought in but not for that awful, awful assault, not at all and i'm surprised he said that. >> cedric, the sheriff that fired the deputy sheriff said the maneuver used was wrong. we saw that student seemingly put in a choke hold thrown across the room right there. is that how police officers are trained to deal with an incident like this, even if the young girl may have raised her hand in a fist and hit him in the chest or someplace like that? >> no, no, nothing you saw on this video is trained by the police department anywhere on the face of this planet, particularly in this country, the united states. it was over the top. it was beyond anything i have certainly ever seen before and the sheriff making the decision he made today was his decision. as a leader of law enforcement in this country, he had evidence to show clearly portions of what occurred. i'm quite sure along with an investigation that included that
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of the statements from the teacher and students in the room, as well, too. it's very unfortunate for everyone involved but opportunity was given for an investigation. the sheriff came and made his statement today based on what was presented to him and that's the end of the story. >> do you think the sheriff made the right call firing him? >> without a question. it was his responsibility based on the evidence that was presented in front of him, fortunately, enough they would rather have the video and of course a number of witness statements, too. it doesn't take a long time to come to that conclusion and i think taking 48 hours, clearly from their investigation was appropriate and it needed to be brought to some end at some point. analyst. you're our legal the sheriffs, the deputy sheriff, the attorney for this deputy said today his client's actions were in his words justified and lawful throughout
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the circumstances of which he was confronted during this incident. he was performing his job duties within the legal threshold. that's the lawyer representing the deputy. does he have a >> i do not think the deputy has a case. he's a lawyer and obviously he's going to say that. let's analyze three things if you're looking at the appropriateness of the deputy's conduct. number one, did his actually touching and grabbing the student have to be initiated? i would say no. should he have engaged in force in the first place? what about interpersonal communication? have we forgotten that? he's an 11-year veteran of the force, she's a 16-year-old child. no weapons, no one in danger, she's just being disrespectful. not justifying it. i'll be the first to say, comply now and grieve later and certainly teenagers and everybody respect the police and law enforcement. but there was no physical
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contact that should have been initiated in the first place. step number two, if you are initiating contact, is the force used proportionate to the threat posed? well, where is the threat? answer that question. and then the third thing, look to be the reasonableness of the officer's conduct. i think it was unreasonable under those circumstances. what example are you setting for the students there? completely improper. so of course us attorneys make argument and try to make them as valid and proper as we can. i'm not on board with the statement that you just read. perhaps he saw something else than what i just saw. >> joey, you're the legal analyst. the sheriff in that county says the charges against the girl will remain. is he right? >> i don't think he's right either. breaking that down -- of course, the fact is, we're dealing with a child here. i don't excuse the fact that
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she's rude, that she's disruptive or anything else but you have to look at the fact that she's a child. who initiated the physical contact? the officer initiated it. second of all, we're going to start criminalizing students because they are on cell phones in a classroom setting and classroom environment? should we not be concerned about criminal records moving forward even if you could potentially seal it because she's a juvenile? is it enough for youth getting i head and going to school? we have to think about that. what she needs at this point is love, support, potentially counseling and needs to be talked to but to potentially dragged through a criminal system and end up in jail, that's far-fetched. she should be disciplined internally. again, 11-year veteran, 16-year-old, you make the call. >> guys, thanks very much. don will be back later tonight at midnight, a very
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special cnn with don lemon tonight. we'll come back next with more news.
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. breaking news on capitol hill tonight where the house of representatives have approved a two-year budget deal that passed with bipartisan support including the newly nominated speaker of the house paul ryan. this is something of a gift to ryan from the outgoing speaker john boehner? >> yes, indeed it was, wolf. really, today was the end of the john boehner era and the beginning of the paul ryan era.
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the budget deal just passed the house. this deal would raise the national debt limit into march of 2017. essentially taking off that big fiscal fight that has defined the boehner era, taking that off the table. assuming this bill passes the senate, attempted assume it will in the coming days, in addition, it would set top-line spending levels to reduce the chances of a government shoulddown. paul ryan will have to come in as early as december 11th. still, the chances of a shutdown will be reduced significantly, really freeing ryan's hands. today, republicans met behind the scenes to nominate paul ryan as speaker and got enough votes to become the republican nominee for tomorrow's speaker's election but did not receive the 218 votes that he'll need tomorrow on the house floor to become nominated, to become elected because the house freedom caucus, the conservatives rallied behind the
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long-shot candidate, daniel webster of florida, republican, to support him as well. ryan should be okay. i spoke to one of the leaders of the house freedom caucus and signalled that he will give paul ryan some time to work his will when he becomes speaker and also to -- and also back him on the floor tomorrow. here's what he had to say. >> we're going to give him a chance. we're going to have his back for the next few months and make sure that we give him the opportunity to show that he can be the leader that we hope he can be. >> should he worry about an effort to overthrow him if he decides to do things his own way? >> i don't think so. if he keeps the promises that he's made and he's made them very publicly on all of these issues, i don't think he's going to have to worry about that. >> reporter: so you expect the vast majority of the freedom caucus to support him? >> i don't think it's going to be a vast majority but the
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majority of the freedom caucus, absolutely. >> reporter: wolf, we'll see how long that lasts. particularly if he starts to make she's big decisions in the coming weeks. >> manu, thanks very much. that's all the time we have. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, u.s. fighter jets scrambled across the northeast, a massive military surveillance blimp donald trump out in the front and center in tonight's dedate. the school officer caught on tape throwing the student and cross the room. tonight he's fighting back and says he did nothing wrong. we have a special guest. let's go "outfront." ♪ good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, breaking news. a massive military blimp out of control. the blimp crash landing

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