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>> thanks for joining us. >> jeb bush trying to relaunch his campaign. for the life of me, i don't know why we have stigmatized vocat n vocational education. welders make more money than philosophers.
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we need more welders and less philosophers. >> hillary clinton as said barack obama's policies get an a. 1 in 10 workers aren't working. that's not an a. 1 in 7 are living in poverty. that's not an a. 1 in 5 children are on food stamps. it may be the best millry clinton can do, but it's not the best america can do. >> in addition to rolling back what barack obama has done, we need to do a top to bottom review of every regulation on the years. we need to pass the raines act so bureaucrats aren't accountable to no one. we've become a nation of rules no the a nation of laws. we have to hold government officials accountable for their performance. all this has to be done and the citizens of this nation must help a president fiorina get it done. we must take our government back.
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>> thank you. >> as a candidate whose brand has always been trust, are you worried your campaign, which you've always said, sir, is bigger than you, is now being hurt by you? >> first of all, thank you for not asking me what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. >> i'll just forget that follow up. >> but the fact of the matter is, you know, what we -- we should vet all candidates. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about and then putting that out there as truth. >> there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible and not a one of them is as good. >> for the 11 million people, come on, folks we all know you
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can't pick them up and ship them back across the border. it's a silly argument. it's not an adult argument. >> all i can say is -- you're lucky in ohio that you struck oil. that's for one thing. >> let governor bush -- >> what happened to my question? >> you're not going to have my back. i'm going to have my back. >> governor -- >> you should let jeb speak. >> governor, governor. >> hold on. >> in the state of ohio -- the state of ohio we have grown 347,000 jobs. our unemployment is half of what it was. our fracking industry may have contributed 20,000. but if mr. trump understood that the real jobs come in the down stream and that's where we're going to get our jobs. ohio is diversified.
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and false little things, sir, they really don't work when it comes to the truth. the fact is all i'm suggesting we can't ship 11 million people out of this country. children would be terrified and it will not work. >> mr. trump -- >> let me just -- >> built an unbelievable company wortsz billions of billions of dollars. i don't have to hear from this man, believe me. i don't have to hear from him. >> mr. trump, you, yourself -- >> the democrats are laughing. because if republicans joined democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose. and you know, i understand that when the main stream media covers immigration it doesn't often see an economic issue. but i can tell you for millions of americans at home watching this, it is a very personal economic issue and i will say the politics of it would be very, very different if a bunch of lawyers or bankers were crossing the rio grande or people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving
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down the wages in the press. >> i know that rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. i believe the world is a stronger and better place when the united states is the strongest military in the world. >> how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure for the government? >> are you talking about the military? >> how is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditure. you cannot be a conservative if you are promoting new programs you are not going to pay for.
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>> we can't have an economy if we're not safe. there are radical jihadists in the middle east beheading people. a radical shia cleric in iran trying to get a nuclear wednesday. i believe the world is a safer -- i don't believe, i know that the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> i don't think we're any safer. i do not think we are any safer from bankruptcy court as we go further into debt we become less and less safe. this is the most important thing we are going to talk about tonight. can you be a conservative and be liberal on military spending? can you be for unlimited military spending and make the country safe? no. we need a safe country but we spend more on our military than the next ten countries combined. i don't want us to be bankrupt. >> those are just some of the moments we're going to be talking about with the candidates and the panel.
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which brings us to the longest introduction in conversation. amanda was the communications director for sarah and ted cruz and a friend of marco rubio. don is a democratic strategist and michael david axelrod, and gloria borger. >> what stood out tonight? >> trump and carson nonentities in my view. that benefits ted cruz. it is a race among mavericks and establishment types. cruz wins the mavericks contest. and marco rubio had a good performance tonight. >> i would agree with that. i noted in a poll this week, when you take carson or trump out of the race, rubio gains at least as much or more than does cruz and it raises the question
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as to whether he has the inside track because he can appeal more broadly across the fashions of the republican party? i think he helped himself tonight. he had a spirited presentation, new generation, he banged his themes and did his strong on defense pitch, which is something that is integral to his appeal. so i think he had a good night. >> jeb bush had a good night too because he didn't have a bad night. his last debate performance was terrible. he came in with this debate coach and i thought he was fine. he wasn't memorable in terms of having any kind of knockout punch or any sort of home run but just by being steady and present i thought he was good. his answer on immigration was good. he benefitted from kasich who
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was fighting and on the immigration debate it was kasich who opened the door for him. and jeb bush with a strong follow up. >> what struck me tonight was the fact that these people don't like each other. it was extraordinary. we were all expecting carson and trump to go after each other. but you had kasich and trump you had rubio and paul going after each other. you had trump and fiorina. and i think trump was -- i'm going to disagree with michael a little bit. i think trump was more of a factor in this debate than he has been in past debates. he was on terra firma on the economy. but i do think trump kind of mix it up. >> i hope that people review the exchanges between the three senators when it comes to increasing which can tax credits and defense spending.
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this is the struggle between three approaches. increasing it, a no and ted cruise says i'm more in the middle. this is what we need to debate on the economic front among the republican party and will be resolved in the primary process. >> anna? >> people from texas should not try to list the departments they want to eliminate. >> talking about cruz saying he would eliminate five departments and listed commerce twice. >> at least he got to four which is one more than rick perry could remember. i think it was a good night for everybody, including the moderators. it was a dramatic contrast from what we saw in the cnbc debate. it was a substantive debate. they stuck to the fiscal issues. i think that having eight people on the stage instead of ten made
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a big difference. and let me tell you something, i had my pope blessed rosary and thank you, lord, jeb bush showed up. not feeling glum tonight. >> jeffrey lord? >> i think the most striking thing was listening to john kasich say philosophy doesn't work when you run something. that in a sense is exactly what this argument is within the republican party. this is what went on in the house of representatives. you had people saying we have to governor. which conservatives say we enlarge the government in one fashion or another. to hear kasich -- >> and ted cruz tried to draw parallel with him on that. whether you would support a government that would let banks fail. >> this is a key component of this argument. >> what struck me on a day when thousands of people walked off their job demanding a raise,
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that the republican candidates are tone deaf. $7.25 an hour. where can you live in america on $7.25 an hour. 17 million americans with health care and they want to repeal it and don't have a good program to release it? 11 million undocumented people in this country. again, donald trump going back to the eisenhower days. i had so ask everybody in the green room. it wasn't putin. i mean, wetback we're going back to a policy that was controversial. i thought it was a missed opportunity for the republicans. jeb bush may not exit this week or next week, i don't think he has what it takes to win. >> let's talk about jeb bush. anna is relieved he showed up but did he do it enough? there were times it seemed like he was quibbling about not having enough time on the last debate. did he seem strong enough? >> i thought he showed up and was able to answer substantive questions. but i don't think he engaged in the way that perhaps his
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supporters might have liked. >> he seemed shaky. >> a little uncertain. the stakes are immense in this debate. everybody said you blew the last debate. if you're going to stay in this race you have to do well in this debate. even presidential candidates get nervous, i think. i think his nerves showed. >> i think in each debate he tends to it be better as the debate goes on. he gets a little bit more comfortable. you saw in this debate he wanted to go after kasich in that first answer and cut him off and kasich ran right over him. but i thought he did get stronger as the debate goes on. and that's the argument for his candidacy he is going to get better as he goes along. >> is it possible he is just not good at this? >> yes. >> i don't know that he's ever going to be good at. this i think that john kasich came in energetically. he is going for independents in
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new hampshire. but i think he completely shoved jeb out of the main frame here and became the main advocate for that point of view. >> there was this exchange with jeb bush and donald trump. it was one of the key exchanges. >> as far as syria, if putin wants to go in and i got to know him very well. because we were both on "60 minutes" and we did very well that night. you know that. if putin wants to knock the hell out of isis. i am all for it 100%. they blew up -- wait a minute. they blew up a russian airplane. he cannot be in love with these people. he's going in and we can go in and everybody should go in. we can't continue to be the policemen of the world. we owe $19 trillion and have a
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country that is going to hell an infrastructure that is falling apart, our roads, bridges, schools and airports. we have to invest money in our country. >> thank you, sir. >> donald is wrong on this. he is absolutely wrong on this. we are not going to be the world's policemen. but we sure be the world's leader. there is a huge difference. without us leading, voids are filled. and the idea that it is a good idea for putin to be in syria, let isis take out assad that is like a board game. >> by this definition, i'm close to putin because i'm on "60 minutes" as well. i think carly fiorina seemed to interpret it -- >> i like russian vodka. that gives me some -- >> do you think jeb bush did enough? >> you know, the problem for jeb bush is 43 if i may be blunt here. when you leave as david is well familiar, when you leave the presidency in january of whenever -- 2009 with a 22%
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approval rating and your brother is on the stage saying let's do it again in essence on foreign policy that is a real problem. that is where donald trump strikes a chord. when randy kaye was interviewing evangelicals in iowa, these are full dimensional people and you ask them for concerns and it was the economy. and they kept coming back to donald trump. so i do think that comes together for a lot of people. >> donald trump, i mean, it was telling because bush was trying to intervene to say you're wrong and trump was wrong. the russians aren't trying to knock out isis. they are going after the rebels who are anti-assad. so the theory was wrong. he said it with bluster and he said it with vigor but it's just
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not true. >> bush didn't really hit that point, really. >> that is a fundamental problem. >> all about jeb bush. >> jeb himself has admitted he's not good at this. he is not a good debater or performer or entertainer. what i think people saw is a guy who is not defeated or giving up. who worked hard as hell for the last ten days and he is going to keep fighting and trying and be focused and invigorated and go through with it. they saw a guy who is improving with each performance. i think that anybody who is a jeb bush supporter like me saw what they needed to see, saw what they wanted to see. jeb bush stopped the bleeding today. the wound healed? no but the bleeding has stopped.
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>> the thing that gives people hesitation is that his answers, he kind of gets there and saying the right thing but his answers don't demonstrate a broad understanding of the issue. i go back to the question about regular tear reform. he gave an answer he would repeal all the rules proposed by the obama administration but he did not show an understanding of why it is an abuse of power. we need to go to that other step. >> when he made some of these answers like on the bank issue practically everybody else referenced his answer and agreed with what jeb bush said from kasich to trump to everybody on that stage. this was a good debate for him. it was a debate in his wheel house. these were financial and economic issues that were his sweet spot. i don't think it is the achilles
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heel of the last debate. the headlines tomorrow will be different for jeb bush. >> but rubio also had a good night. and that is a problem. >> will there be a headline about jeb bush or will it be about other people on the stage? >> i don't think that jeb bush will be much in the story tomorrow. but amanda raised something interesting. you see the beginnings of an argument from the right against rubio that will be developed overtime, the argument on his which can tax credits. rand paul made the mistake of including military spending in that answer and he gave rubio an opportunity to come back on that and ignore the other piece. but i do think -- ted cruz said he's a fine man, i'm a conservative and he is a moderate. >> the debate has just wrapped up in milwaukee. last time around, the republican
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party came out blasting cnbc, joining us is shaun spicer. i imagine you are pleased with how the debate went tonight? >> very much so. tonight was about the candidates. it allowed each of them to talk about their issues. the solutions that they have for the problems our country is facing. it wasn't a bunch of gotcha questions. the viewers were informed about where they stand and what their vision is. >> what is the difference that there was only eight of them on the main stage? how big of a difference did that make? >> it allowed more people to get in. but the format was much better. the way the moderators approached it was better. they were focused on the economy and taxes and trade and veterans. tonight was a home run. and it set the bar for debates
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going forward. >> did jeb bush, do you think, he did what he needed to do tonight? do you think he will still be, certainly front and center in this race next debate? >> i'm not going to call balls and strikes, my job is to determine who did well and who didn't. i appreciate you trying. >> in terms of the next debate, do you want to see again a smaller stage, even smaller than the eight? >> i think what we have to do is set a reasonable limit that cnn will choose that ensures that the candidates doing well are on that stage. but we have done a good job in the republican party. historically we have never had more than ten people on a stage at any one time. what this party has done is ensured that all the candidates have an opportunity to have their voice heard. i hope we can continue that. >> i appreciate you being with us tonight and congratulations on the debate. not surprising that the rnc is
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pleased with the debate. compared to the cnbc debate, the headline is not going to be about the moderators. a lot of the moderators said that is what they wanted out of the debate. >> this was a serious debate. there were no questions about fantasy football. who knows how many people watched on a tuesday night with this kind of in the weeds policy discussion. but the rnc were going into this playing the refs before -- >> the very first question was about the minimum wage and that's what the answer was about. you can like or not like the answers but that was the question and that was the tone. there was nothing about comic book characters or that people were assaulting these people. this was about substance. >> the debate moderators should not be a protagonists. i think they did the right thing. dan bell was a protagonist and it was ignored by every candidate on that stage.
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>> i think there was one exchange where i think they blew an opportunity. and it was the exchange where john kasich drew a line in the sand with regard to deporting 11 million people. jeb bush then came on that side of the fence and i was watching and saying, where is marco rubio and they moved on without getting rubio to have to weigh in on that. i wish they hadn't done that. >> i want to talk about ben carson a little bit. let's play one exchange where he talked about the media. >> you railed against a double standard in the media that seems obsessed with inconsistency and exaggerations in your life story but looked the other way when it came to then senator barack obama's. as a candidate whose brand has always been trust are you worried your campaign which you have always said is bigger than
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you is now being hurt by you? >> well, first of all, thank you for not asking me what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. but -- >> i'll just forget that follow up there. >> the fact of the matter is, you know, what we -- we should vet all candidates. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. and then putting that out there as truth. and i don't even mind that so much if they do it with everybody, like people on the other side. but you know, when i look at somebody like hillary clinton,
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who sits there and tells her daughter and a government official that, no, this was a terrorist attack and then tells everybody else that it was a video, where i came from they call that a lie. >> turn to our chief national correspondent john king. you have been looking at carson. >> coming into the debate is one of the questions about his biography whether he has exaggerated parts of his biography. he tried to turn it into hillary clinton. biography is the foundation of the carson campaign and the other candidates did not touch him or try to jump in. this is from our iowa poll. ben carson leads among iowa caucus going and tea party supporters. so you would think this is because they agree with him on the issues. but carson is weak when it comes to the issues. only 9% of iowa republicans think he would be the strongest on the economy.
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only 10% think he would be best on illegal immigration and 11% think he is strongest on foreign policy. but he is in a lead because they like his biography and when it comes to abortion and same-sex marriage he is their candidate. the fact he got a pass is good for dr. carson. because on the specifics of the issues, that is not his strength. it is all on his biography. and donald trump, was he engaged? when he was, he was engaged in issues where he is running from the field. in iowa he has a 40 point advantage on the economy. he has a 32 point advantage over any of the republican candidates when it comes to illegal immigration. and iowa republicans by 8 points say that donald trump is their strongest general election candidate.
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he is playing to his strengths. he was not as active tonight but when he did talk he was talking about the issues that are his wheel house. >> fascinating to look at those numbers. with dr. carson, does it surprise you if you look at him on the issues, does it surprise you he is doing so well? let's go to dana. >> you were itching to get in and talk about the fact that you believe that his idea of deporting the undocumented immigrants is pie in the sky. >> we're not going to go round up 11 million people and ship them across the border. it's an absurd thought. and it's those things that give hillary a great chance to win. and last debate i challenged one
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of the candidates saying he wanted to abolish medicare and he backed off of that. i am going to make a contribution by talking about what i'm for and at the same time we have to be clear that we have a solid program because hillary clinton won't be easy but we'll beat her with a solid program. >> you don't think that donald trump is going to back off his plan to get rid of undocumented immigrants? >> i would hope so. it's not possible to do what he's talking about. and you know, maybe for a while he'll stay with it. but this is not a tenable position for anybody. look, if somebody broke the law they have to go to jail or be deported. but to be in a position to grab people out of their homes and leave children there and frighten them, that's not
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america. we have to protect the border. but if they are law-abiding they pay a penalty and have to assimilate. they can live in the country not as a citizen but with legal status. >> you were trying to aggressively have a voice in the debate. do you feel you were successful with that? >> i got to go around the world in foreign policy and talk about my budget plans and economic programs and warn the republicans we have to be realistic about what our package is in the fall so we can win. i thought it was a good debate. but none of us feel we get enough time and hopefully as i move closer to the center i'll get more time. >> you talk about jobs and the economy and substance. but the moderators asked ben carson about some of the stories in his autobiography and speeches and so forth.
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because he is somebody without a record like you are those stories important and it is critical for him to be factual? >> i think it is critical for everyone to be factual. you can all judge how you feel about it but it's not my nature to pound on someone when they are down. i'm not going to do it to democrats or certainly not to people in my party. we'll see how people judge this whole thing but i'm not going to go there. >> anderson, back to you. >> let's take a look at the exchange that they had, kasich and donald trump on immigration. >> for the 11 million people, come on, folks, we all know you can't pick them up and ship them back across the border. it's a silly argument. it's not an adult argument. >> all i can say is you're lucky in ohio that you struck oil. that's for one thing. let me just tell you that dwight
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eisenhower, good president, great president, people liked him. i like ike, right? the expression, "i like ike" moved 1.5 illegal immigrants out of this country. dwight eisenhower. you don't get nicer. you don't get friendlier. they moved 1.5 million people out. we have no choice. we have no choice. >> so he -- >> governor bush -- >> just -- >> what happened to my question -- >> i'm going to have my back. >> first of all -- >> governor -- >> you should let jeb speak. >> listen -- >> in the state of ohio -- >> governor -- >> the fact is all i'm suggesting we can't ship 11 million people out of this country. children would be terrified and it will not work. >> mr. trump -- >> let me just -- >> built an unbelievable company worth billions and billions of dollars i don't have to hear
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from this man, believe me. i don't have to hear from him. >> what kasich said played well in that room. but donald trump scores incredibly well on illegal immigration. >> he mentioned dwight eisenhower. in the day, this is something that democrats supported. harry truman was doing some version of this. this went on for a long while. and the biggest debate they are having about dwight eisenhower is what is his monument going to look like. he is not known as some guy filled with controversy over illegal immigration but that is exactly what he did. >> millions of people were deported but even u.s. citizens. it was a controversial policy, a racial slur, the wetback policy. i think this anti-deportation strategy on the republican party is a loser. i think that's why jeb bush and mr. kasich chimed in it's a losing strategy. >> for a general election.
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>> it's a losing strategy for a general election and a winning strategy among iowa caucus goers. there's not enough oxygen in the tent for kasich and jeb. kasich for the second debate in a row asserted himself in a way that jeb should have. the first question of the last debate was identify a weakness that you have. and john kasich spoke of the fantasy policies of carson and trump. >> kasich was like a jack in the box tonight. >> and he was frustrated at times. >> i do want to talk about the game that john kasich is playing and jeb bush plays. anyone that does want to stop illegal immigration. is it the sole reason that donald trump has risen in the polls. they play this game if you want to secure the border you are for
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deporting millions of people from america. that is why ted cruz jumped in with the line that played very well saying if we act like the democrats on amnesty we will lose. that is a shot at jeb bush and john kasich for playing the games that republicans play. >> look, i don't think it's a game. i think there are diverse thoughts in the republican party when it comes to immigration and you saw it in that room. you saw ted cruz's line play well but you saw kasich and bush's lines play well. we don't agree on this. and what you heard from jeb bush and john kasich was a practical plan and saying, look, there is
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no practical plan to deport 11 million people in one fell swoop. and what jeb bush was saying and the people in the clinton campaign were doing high fives is true. they tune in and see a donald trump as an antihispanic attitude that is causing harm. >> but the primary voters see when they are adopting democrat talking points, they hate that and they want it to stop. make the case on your merits. >> that's what cruz was calling out. a lot more to talk about in our special edition of "360" we will talk to republican voters in south carolina and get their take on what they saw tonight. these are my dogs dusty and cooper. i work for the dogs twenty-four seven. i am the butler. these dogs shed like crazy. it's like being inside of a snow globe. it takes an awful lot of time to keep the house clean. i don't know what to do. (doorbell) what's this? swiffer sweeper and dusters. this is nice and easy boys.
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that was refreshing. >> what did you think of your performance? >> it was fine. i didn't speak as long as people who were willing to butt in. >> why is that? why not? this is an opportunity for you to show your stuff. and to get in there and mix it up and a lot of your competitors did that. why not? >> it's just not who i am. >> aren't you concerned about fading to the wood work in an event like this? >> i am who i am. if the people like who that is, that's great. but i'm not going to become someone else. >> is there anything that you wished you could have addressed tonight?
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>> a lot. >> what is that? >> i certainly wanted to talk about, you know, how do we spur the economy on? how to we get that economic engine working a little bit better? i wanted to talk about some of the affects of fed policy on the general populous and how that is actually one of the things that is driving the income disparity. it's not the fact that the rich have too much money. and in fact, if you take all the money of the top 1% and apply that to the fiscal gap, it barely makes -- >> i wanted to talk about what the fiscal gap is. most people have no idea what that is when we talk about the fiscal gap, the unfunded liabilities and how do we deal with that situation? i wanted to talk about, you know, a new health care system and something that really works and something that is really affordable. i wanted to talk about what is the natural history of medicare and medicaid -- >> it is interesting, john king was looking at the numbers in terms of various issues and it's not that those who are
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supporting him agree with him necessarily on these issues it's more on a general -- they generally like him. he seems like a person that they admire. is that a problem for him long term? >> well, it could be, because the more you -- the closer you get the caucuses and the primary, people want to talk about the issue. but what he has going for him is his favorability. he is the most liked candidates. he has lo negatives unlike donald trump whose problem is he has some high negatives. the fact that carson didn't sort of punch is totally in keeping with his nature and people would say -- >>let hear from some folks. the first electoral contest getting cloetser. one of the early primaries is
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south carolina that comes after iowa and new hampshire. we have focus groups there. let's go to south carolina. we are at a movie theater where 200 voters turned out. what do people there think? >> i covered a lot of presidential debates over the years and never seen one in a movie theater. but this theater was full and another right next to us. so 230 people watching the debate. did you think it was a high quality debate? [ applause ] you can see there is a lot of enthusiasm. this is not scientific but they did a straw poll on who they supported when they entered and of the people here 47 said ben carson and 17 for donald trump and ted cruz. jeb bush at 12, marco rubio at 10. ben carson dominated this audience it's fair to say. south carolina is the first primary after the new hampshire primary.
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the question i want to ask you, did anybody change their minds about their candidate? you, the only man in this whole room. what is your name? >> tom willis. >> who did you support? >> donald trump. >> and now? >> carly fiorina? >> why? >> she articulates her position unemotionally in very few words and i understood the message she wanted to deliver. >> you don't that donald trump is unemotional? >> he is very emotional. >> that's a joke. you're supporting fiorina? >> yes. >> you're supporting who? >> rand paul. >> you said you learned something? >> i developed an appreciation for some of the candidates. i thought that ted cruz did well and i liked some of the things that jeb bush said. >> that's the question i wanted to ask. jeb bush has got criticism for not doing well in previous debates. how many thought he did better
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in this debate? how many thought he didn't do better in this debate. so more people thought he did better than previously. what is interesting. only one man in this room changed his mind. but a lot of you told me is for the informational purposes. not to influence and change your vote but to be informed about the candidates. >> that's quite right. this is a decision-making process for each and every one of us. we have three months until the south carolina primary and we need to continue to look at all the options that are there so we can make the best informed decision. >> and look at more debates. are you going to watch the next coming up? we have another on cnn. this vote is very important to this particular audience and 310
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million other americans. >> tell them we appreciate them sticking around to talk to us. it's interesting to hear not a scientific survey at all but to hear from people. we checked in at the 8:00 hour, nobody in that room supported carly fiorina. >> she is the only one who picked up a vote. that is unusual. 200 people in a room watching a debate and nobody changed their mind at all. >> you know, i don't think it's unusual at all. i think in this debate, everybody heard from their candidate what they wanted to hear. if you were a rand paul person you heard from him what you wanted to hear. as i go down the line of this debate i think everybody did what they had to do to keep their supporters -- >> in a lot of the polls we have been looking at, there is soft support -- i mean, for ben carson, 55% of the people -- >> donald trump is looking for his cell phone number now. >> he should. do not give donald trump your cell phone number, sir.
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>> here's the thing about ben carson. a lot of us are mystified how he's maintaining his front-runner status in the polls. so many are not tied to a candidate but they like him and they are going to be with him for now. buzz feed showed that ben carson's facebook drives more traffic to a news story than the drudge report. he has such a direct connection to shape the news among his supporters. for people that like him they are going to stick with him until they have a reason to go elsewhere. and with so many candidates, voters are taking their sweet time. >> you can't underestimate likability. it killed hillary clinton in 2008. it killed mitt romney in 2012. and i think people genuinely like ben carson. they know he is not an expert in egyptian history. and he says things that may be
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embellished. but they like him at his core. >> i think it's a bit different. i think most of the support that you are referencing is from evangelicals and the questions about his personal narrative that cause many of us to say this doesn't seem to pass the smell test are tied to his religious epiphany and he gets cut a pass by evangelicals. the stabbing incident that snapped the blade is the moment he found the lord in a lengthy conversation. >> but if someone going to support you having the support of evangelicals is not chopped liver. >> in a primary, i agree. >> a lot of them identify the economy as their biggest issue. it's not their faith but the economy. >> but the question is when does electability start factoring in. >> not yet. >> not yet, right. >> and may not be in iowa.
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>> but we have seen that in the past with huckabee and santorum. >> let's check in with dana bash. >> i have carly fiorina with me. thank you so much for joining me. how did you think the debate went? >> i was very pleased. i think the moderators stuck to the issues. i think we each had time to make our points and i was pleased with the points that i was able to make sure i expressed to the american people. >> there was a lot of twitter traffic about your response once again on isis and sort of how you expressed it. why do you think that is resonated as much or more than the points you were making and the others were making. >> what i lay out makes sense to people that we would work with
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allies who are presently threatened terribly by isis. this is a real and present danger to their populations. i think it makes sense to people. it also makes sense that we cannot negotiate from positions of weakness that we have to lead in the world. it makes sense to people that we have to have the strongest military on the face of the planet. and the specificity with which i talk about that lands with people because it's real. >> there was a moment where donald trump told you to stop interrupting or asked why you interrupt so much. what do you make of that? >> people had been interrupting all night. this is typical of mr. trump. he hurls insults at lots of people. he spent his weekend talking about ben carson's biography is a fabrication. mr. trump's platform seems to be i'm great and everybody else is a loser. >> do you think gender has to do
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with it? >> people are interrupting each other all night long. and it's typical of him. that's the point. he finds a reason to insult everyone he stands on the stage with eventually. tonight it was my turn. >> you really spiked in the polls after cnn's debate. you did quite well according to republican voters and you then dipped a little bit. to what do you attribute that? is that the ebb and flow or is there a way that you have experienced more after, i guess the fourth debate where you can hold on to it a little bit more? >> i think it's the ebb and flow. we are fixated on national polls who are asking 400 people what they think. >> but they got you on the main stage. >> they did.
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when i launched my campaign i was 16 out of 16. now i'm sitting on a main debate stage with seven other candidates. i'll stay there. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thanks so much. >> back to you. it's interesting, some of the things that carly fiorina said got the biggest applauses in that room. but in that room, some of her things played very, very well. >> yeah, she did very well a couple debates ago. but she since has been sliding. >> why do you think that is? >> i think she doesn't have a lane. she is sort of establishment. she's not tea party or an evangelical. if you look at the states, which state, which wing of the republican party does she connect with? she also -- and i think ben
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carson is benefitting from identify politics he is an african-american and anti-obama in that way. she is not benefitting from being anti-hillary clinton even though that is one of her reasons this idea she could stand toe to toe with hillary clinton. >> on foreign policy she seems to come alive when she is talking about fighting isis or challenging putin or any other big issue on foreign policy. on taxes she knows how to handle herself and knows the issues. whether she is right or wrong she is poised to inject herself. >> and to barrel ahead and get her points in even if the time is up. >> and this is what is impressive about her. i mean, she is so darn tough. she doesn't back down. she doesn't have a lane in this election and it's going to present some problems. but she has put a mark down for conservative women in that she is confident. she is tough and she hasn't mad her candidacy about gender. >> whoa.
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>> we don't bring out the fact she is the only woman on stage any more. >> but she started her campaign by tailing hillary clinton. >> we don't talk about it any more is my point. >> the last two debates. >> hillary was the front runner. >> she played the gender card -- >> even when she is just talking with dana bash do you think it's because you are a woman and she said you decide. >> i think she has been astute and brilliant about using it. her best debate moment so far was her response on donald trump's attack on her face which was a gender issue. she was speaking to every woman. >> she didn't make it define her. >> the way she was responded to the attacks on "the view" was astute.
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>> welcome back. we're at the top of the hour in milwaukee. right now donald trump is working the spin room. dana bash is there for us. dana? >> reporter: that's right. donald trump, if you can see behind me, he's inside that scrum of reporters. we're waiting for him to come
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back here to ask him a couple of questions, we hope, including maybe to respond to what carly fiorina just told us about how she felt he came across when he asked her to stop interrupting so much during the debate. but also how he feels about -- i'm just looking over my shoulder to make sure he's not close, but also about how he feels overall. it was pretty intense policy discussion, and in those moments, he didn't play as much as he has in the past when it's been more about personal thety or character or politics. >> we'll check back in with you. we were talking about this a little bit during the break. do you think people -- any minds were really achanged tonight? >> i really don't. i think this thing went pretty much true to form. i don't think the front runners probably lost much ground. i think the two guys who have been doing


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