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"at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. the u.s. targets one of the world's most wanted killers, jihadi john, the face of isis. so, is he dead? and what does this mean for u.s. intelligence in into that terror group. moments from now ben carson will respond live for the first time since donald trump's stunning rant. the 95-minute tirade in which he directly asked how the people of iowa can be so stupid. >> he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friend, but lo and behold, it hit the belt. this is cnn breaking news. everyone, i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. breaking news we're following at this hour. a strike at the heart of isis. u.s. drones targeting and possibly killing jihadi john. he's the masked manual remember
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who appeared in those brutal isis beheading videos. the pentagon has not yet confirmed his death, but a senior u.s. official says they knew it was him when they took the shot over syria. >> his real name is mohammed emwazi. it's his voice in the monstrous behealedings of james sotloff, james foley as well as others. this is secretary of state john kerry moments ago. >> we are still assessing the results of this trike. but the terrorist associated with daeish, your days are numbered and you will be geeted. >> let's go to barbara starr for the latest. how did they find him and how do they know he's dead? >> reporter: we now know they had been tracking -- the u.s. intelligence, the u.s. military had been tracking mohammed
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emwazi for several days. he had been in some location outside of raqqa, syria. began to move into raqqa. that's had they picked up his trail. and they have been trailing him very closely since wednesday. it was yesterday when that drone moved in and took the shot against him when he stepped out of a building and into a vehicle. so, now, why is everybody saying they think they got him but they are not absolutely certain? the reason is this. the u.s. has no military or u.s. intelligence personnel on the ground in syria, in raqqa, so they have no dringt eyirect eye target. they can't be absolutely 100% sure. they knew it was him when they took the shot. they knew they struck the vehicle. what they are now doing is going through and monitoring every piece of intelligence coming in. isis social media accounts, intercepts, classified communications, talking to people who may know something about all of this.
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looking at every scrap they can. sometimes in these situations you begin to actually see the terror group involved post essentially funeral notices, condolences, marking the passing of someone. so, that's what they're looking for for that absolute confirmation. at this hour they appear to be fairly confident that they did get him. john, kate? >> barbara, what's the timetable, though? i mean, is your sense from your sources at the pentagon that they're expecting to get firm confirmation soon or is this going to linger? >> reporter: i think so it could well linger. we've seen these things go both ways. we've seen quick confirmation because the group involved may post something on social media, but there have been other cases where they have never been absolutely certain. there have been cases where weeks later they come to find out the person is still alive. and they have to, basically,
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hunt them down again and conduct another strike. there's good reason, they say, to believe that they did get jihadi john. you have to look at xho conducted the mission. this was the joint special operations command. this is the group down in ft. bragg that's been conducting all these drone ops and tracks this type of intelligence bit by bit. they took the shot because they really believed that that was him. >> barbara starr at the pentagon with the latest. thanks much. want to talk about this more. cnn counterterrorism intelligence phil mudd joins us. you have worked inside the cia. you have had your eye on people like this over the last several decades. i want to know if they identify jihadi john in syria, does this mean that the united states has some friendly assets on the ground, somehow infiltrating that isis circumstanle?
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>> sure. there's a big but. have you to think about three steps. number one, identifying that they know that jihadi john is up somewhere in syria. they have identified him on a phone. secondly, finding him in space. if you identified in making a mistake on a phone, talking to the wrong person, exactly where is he so you can begin to think about a shot. and the third is determining where he's going to be tomorrow. that is finding out where he was yesterday that's not good enough. that's classic intelligence. that's not drone intelligence. you want to predict enough so you've got an aerial device in the sky to hit him. the problem with this, john, is you're talking about one individual and technical intelligence on that individual. it does not suggest to me that we have intelligence on the entire organization. this is just a sliver of the organization that jihadi john was involved with. finally, the first thing isis will do is start to draw a picture of what kind of operational security mistakes they made that led to his death.
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so, even if there was some penetration you find isis and al qaeda pretty good, bridge the gap to avoid this from happening again. >> that poses one of the risks they have to take. another isis fighter could easily step into the position that jihadi john filled. being the murderous face of these horrific beheadings isis carries out. what do you think of how high priority this attack was when you weigh the risk? they're going to learn from an attack like this as well. >> zero risk. the risk in this case is ensuring you have a shot that has minimal prospect of killing innocents, especially women and children. and obviously heightening the probability you are killing the person you think it is. in this case, jihadi john. the risk he'll be replaced to me is zero for the following reason. when you're sitting there trying to determine what to do in the
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u.s. intelligence, u.s. command, i hear in the intelligence space about whether you'll create further terrorists by killing someone with the drone. that's not the debate inside government. it's much simpler. this person will go on to murder more people. if he's in the sights, your choice is either to prevent that from happening by killing him or to allow him to keep moving on because you're afraid killing him will create other terrorists. that's not a choice. you'll take him out. >> kate was asking how big a priority this is. i think we had a good sense when british prime minister david cameron walked out on 10 downing to claim victory, saying, this proves the long arm the u.s. and uk has. we will not forget acts of terror committed against either american or british people. that was a pretty stunning statement for the prime minister and it shows how committed that country certainly is to fighting terrorists even if they come from that country. >> this is a striking statement from the prime minister for two
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reasons. number one, the political and legal reason. the british prime minister is out there saying, they will not only support u.s. attacks, they will work jointly with the united states, with the u.s. military, to target and kill a british citizen overseas without a legal process beyond the prime minister's office. the same thing president obama did when he authorized the killing of anwar al awalki. the second i find fascinating. this is not an operational success. jihadi john is not the leader of isis. i personally don't think he was operationally significant. this is a psychological success. the bottom line is, this is a message. if you go, there's a chance you're never going to come home alive. >> isis deals in symbolism as well. now the coalition battling isis, part of that.
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thanks for being with us. >> great to see you. got a different major development in the battle against isis. kurdish forces claim they have retain the town of sinjar on a key highway linking the land controlled by isis in iraq and syria. the two-day assault backed by u.s.-led coalition air strikes. >> right now a kurdish flag flies over the city, so is the fight over there? is the city liberated? senior international correspondent nick paton walsh is on the phone with us. you've watched this fight unfold. you were there on the front lines watching it play out. is this town liberated, as kurdish leaders say? >> reporter: it's certainly no longer under the control of isis, that's for sure. entirely under the control of peshmerga? when we left four or five hours ago, that was unclear. during our time, about two hours, there were moments in which they were over our head and fairly chaotic reactions from the peshmerga who said two
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of their number had been injured and required treatment from that tarl sniper. a swedish volunteer fighter from sweden, tony, said there were, in fact, tunnels under the city linked up to explosives at times which isis would potentially use to make their escape and also make life difficult for the peshmerga moving in. booby traps, land mines, frankly, everywhere. buildings mined as well. massive destruction. so, while, yes, the peshmerga are there in numbers enough to arguably be in control of that particular town, the question is, how much longer will it take for them to rid of any previous trace of isis? we saw explosions in the distance when we were leaving recently. a messy task and one not made any easier by the time isis had to prepare. still when the kurdish leader says this has been liberated, that is frankly relatively fair to say. isis are no longer in control and pushed back to harassing a
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large number of the peshmerga. kate? >> nick paton walsh there for us. great to hear from you. thank you so much. we were talking about isis and talking about sending messages. isis sent a powerful and deadly message in a different way, killing dozens in beirut. cnn's clarissa ward is there as one of the suicide bombers who survived this attack makes a very big admission. plus any moment now, ben carson will respond live to donald trump's 95-minute speech and piece of performance art. you're seeing it right there. in an cnn interview he compared carson to a child molester. we'll hear from donald trump says, and what donald trump says about isis . >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them.
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this morning people across iowa are rubbing their jaws. the jaws that dropped during the 95-minute donald trump speech last night that was unusual even by trump standards. a direct attack at ben carson that even involved a kind of visual reenactment. >> that john will re-enact for me. >> not me. >> it seemed like the gloves didn't just come off. they've been thrown away all together. his prime target, ben carson, his closest competitor in iowa where donald trump was speaking. listen here. >> i don't want a person that has pathological disease. if you're a child molester, a sick puppy, you're a child molester, there's no cure for that. pathological, there's no secure for that. i have a belt. somebody hits me with a belt, it's going in because the belt moves this. it moves this way. it moves that way.
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he hit the belt buckle. anybody have a knife? you want to try it on me? anybody? it ain't going to work. how stupid are the people of iowa? how stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap? >> mr. trump. nia-malika henderson is following the carson campaign. what do you expect ben carson is going to say after all of that? >> reporter: well, we know his aide, armstrong williams, was on our air this morning talking about this and essentially saying that his prescription for donald trump at this point, he has clearly donald trump committed to going after ben carson in this manner. the only solution -- i think we have some of that sound. >> you know, it's so immature. it is so embarrassing.
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i feel so sorry for him. when i spoke with dr. carson about this yesterday, asking how we should respond? he was so sad for him. he says, pray for him. he feels so sorry for him because he really likes mr. trump. he like what is mr. trump brings to this campaign, what he brings to this campaign with immigration. but watching him implode before our very eyes, it's sad to watch. >> reporter: so there you see a kind of turn the other cheek approach to this so far. we'll have to see what dr. ben carson says. he has an event here at noon. he'll be on stage with tim scott. we'll see what he says at this press conference. also what we have going on, did donald trump quadrupling down on this. i believe he just sent out an instagram where he is playing -- playing dr. ben carson talking about this incident from his childhood and using the background music of the friday
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the 13th theme song. >> i tried to stab him in the abdomen. >> what? >> does it fit with the guy you knew? >> no. ♪ >> reporter: there you have it. we know krf fiorina has come out. she's on ben carson's side, defending him. saying donald trump should know something about what it means to be pathologic all given some statements he's made. she's also said that all the money in the world, donald trump, won't make you as smart as ben carson. this is getting heated at this point. we'll have to see how dr. carson weighs in. >> thanks. let's bring in esi cupp and scottie. a lot to get to. first to you.
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in this 95-minute rant, one of the most memorable -- it's not a rant. it's donald trump doing donald trump. but in this speech gave this belt demonstration. and influential iowa radio host, he called this the most embarrassing nine minutes i've ever witnessed from a gop presidential candidate in talking about that belt demonstration. what do you say to that? >> well, good morning. yes, that speech was awkward. it was awkward for the people in the room. it was awkward to listen to post. i think what we heard yesterday was the frustration of mr. trump. since the debate he has been going nonstop. it hasn't just been in hotel rooms. he's done more media, done morallies, he's been more with the people talking to them. i think he hears the frustration of these excuses, these continued excuses from different candidates to the answers they've been challenged with. and they really just don't bode well. as well as the excuses coming from washington, d.c.
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it's more of the same. and i think he's just frustrated, the fact that nobody's pushing for actual answers. there's one thing with mr. trump you have to realize, he does not like excuses. he calls it out. while it's awkward for mr. trump to do it on the stage with iowan, you know that's some of the same conversations made in living rooms business dads, uncles, moms and mr. trump put it up on stage. >> someone sympathetic, scottie called it an awkward moment. there are people who have called it much more than awkward. they say it stood out. they said it was horrifying. steve dee said the most horrifying nine minutes he's ever seen. why is this is moment different than all the others with donald trump we've seen that were supposed to disqualify him? isn't that more of that and that didn't hurt him? >> it is more of that yet it's another swing and a miss at ben carson, who has for the first time either met or surpassed
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mr. trump in the polls. so, you know, trump has not been able to find the strike zone when it comes to ben carson, right? i mean, he started out talking about maybe he's not that great a doctor. that didn't really work. that didn't land. he took a swing at his seventh day adventism in iowa where people are pretty familiar with that religion. that didn't work. eats called him low energy. that's not really working. now he's going after his biography, as are other people, but in a really sort of silly, bizarre performance art kind of way. what donald trump doesn't understand is that his supporters aren't there for him because they don't like ben carson. they're there for him because they don't trust the establishment. so, here he is going after this guy that his supporters either have no opinion of or probably like, which is why as he's doing this belt performance, you see like glazed over looks in the audience. they're not with him. they don't know where this is going. so, yes, you're right. he's had a number of these
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bizarre moments. none of them have been disqualifying. i just don't think he's been able to figure outer or solve for ben carson, and might be doing him some damage. >> so, scottie, ben carson's campaign, his business manager this morning called what trump said sad and then also said that when he talked about it with ben carson, that carson's response was, we should pray for him. we should pray for donald trump. is that the perfect response from carson bull pen? >> you can't get more perfect of a response than that when you look at ben carson's evangelical base. that's a great response. there's also a doctrine difference between what donald trump believes is presbyterians and what dr. carson does asadve. there's the misunderstanding of doctrines there that if you want to get into the details of religion, you can look at. a great response by dr. carson. i think mr. trump is trying to find a way to just express a lot
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of these emotions that are -- why aren't they pressing more about a belt buckle? i would love to see the size of that belt buckle. also talking about hitting a padlock and hitting his mom. why do we continue to get those stories? i think there's other things when other excuses, like carly and her three-page tax document, no one's pressing, what does that three-page tax document look at? this is another way to distract from the policy talked about in the 90-minute speech yesterday and hit on petty things. they make better news headlines. >> you know, ben carson -- ben carson just -- >> can i just -- >> ben carson -- well, let me add this. ben carson just did an interview with katie couric and there are are a lot of questions to ben carson right now. he apparently told katie couric, if the media agrees to be nice, he'll release the person he tried to stab, the identity of the young man involved in the childhood knife incident. will that answer some questions that have gone his way? >> i don't know what he means by if the media agrees to be
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myself. there's no covenant like that in this business. he's running for president. he needs to get his gifted hands a little dirty. let me respond to what scottie is saying. i think she's right. we need to ask questions of ben carson about the veracity of his biography. it's the only thing we have to look at, his only record. but at the same time, if donald trump is frustrated by the lack of policy -- attention to policy, why is he doing a 95-minute performance art show on ben carson's belt buckle? it makes no sense. if donald trump is concerned about policies, he should be talking about policies and not ben carson's pathology. >> but that was only 30 seconds of the speech. there was 90 minutes. there was policy in there. it was a pep rally, not a policy rally. >> but donald trump knows -- >> he was recounting -- >> -- just how the media works. donald trump knows better than anyone that all we'll be talking about is the belt buckle and the performance and the child molest -- he knows that. so if he actually cared about having policy conversations only, he wouldn't clutter it up
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and distract it with all of this nonsense. >> i think -- >> we're talking about it. >> we all well know -- let's be honest, how cue not be talking about it when you see something like that? >> exactly. >> but let's be honest. it's not that donald trump knows how the media works. this is how anybody would -- anyone would be talking about because no one has seen a candidate do that on the campaign trail. >> right, right. >> that's just the way it is. great to see you guys. thank you. coming up for us, even -- so even before donald trump was unplugged last night, the republican establishment was reportedly panicking that trump and carson continue to dominate in the polls. and they're so worried, some are even floating the idea of drafting mitt romney to run. that's ahead. plus, the breaking news this morning. the u.s. targeting jihadi john. the face many say of isis. a drone strike, did it kill him? this as surviving bomber of a suicide attack in lebanon makes a big admission about isis.
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new this morning, new article has the political word talking as reportedly the republican political establishment is panicking over the staying power of donald trump and ben carson. >> "the washington post" reports this morning less than three months before the kickoff iowa caucuses, there is growing anxiety bordering on panic among republican elites about the dominance and durability. durability being the keyword of donald trump and ben carson and widespread bewiltderment over how to defeat them. people are now whispering, "the washington post" says, people
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asking mitt romney to get back in the race. let's ask talk to paul begala who worked on clinton campaigns and appall works for a super pac that supports hillary clinton. amanda, i would like you to be the voice of the republican establishment "the washington post" is talking about. are you panicked? how panicked are you about the durability of ben carson and donald trump right now? >> listen, it is potentially a problem but i would love to see some names associated with these people who are allegedly considering a draft romney movement because they would be ridiculed. there's no way grassroots conservatives would go along with a romney campaign after he couldn't beat obama in the last election. >> forget about romney for a second. what about the idea that ben carson and donald trump are here to stay and people haven't figured out a way to beat them yet. >> what you're seeing in these stories is a freakout by republican establishment by candidates, jeb bush, john
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kasich, who aren't competitive in this election so they are freaking out. they are trying to figure out a plan "b" but the better option is to get on board with a ted cruz or marco rubio ho who has a chance to win the nomination, a solid conservative, rather than going back and dusting off mitt romney who couldn't beat obama in the last election. >> paul, don't forget about romney. think about it. what would that do to the race? >> the super pac i advise was the pro-obama super pac in the last cycle. i still have ads on the shelf i would be happy to run detailing some richness and color of governor romney's business record. amanda is exactly right. i hope republicans aren't watching. i hope they are watching the right wing goof ball channels they like. amanda is exactly right. the problem -- some of it, this is a really good report from really good reporters. i do not denigrate "the washington post" story but i remember a few weeks ago columnists saying democrats were in a full-on freakout about
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hillary dipping in the polls. these things go up and down. what they need to do in the republican party is try to address the anger that is driving mr. trump and dr. carson. that's real. that's what they have to try to address. >> i think there is something very interesting about the word durability which is what you do to people inside republicans fear right now. pe can't believe donald trump is still there. particularly donald trump because they didn't think he would get in to begin with. they thought he would drop out before the first debate. once he had his first controversial statement, they thought he would blow up. none of that has happened so it doesn't seem anything can kill him. there's no stake to the heart here. >> i agree with you. it is a concern more conservatives, more establishment types that donald trump and ben carson have cemented a lead over several months now. what i think it gets to is the fact that i think donald trump and ben carson are essentially protest votes for many republican voters who have not yet made up their minds.
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if you dig into the polls, their support isn't solid. many people say they're still undecided but right now donald trump and carson bull pen are an expression of anger and rebuke to the establishment republicans who are trying to dust off people like mitt romney. >> i remember over the summer, paul, you saying over and over again, you want donald trump to stay in as long as possible because you think it will only be better for your candidate. you look at the new cbs/new york times poll asking democratic primary voters which republican candidate they think is going to be the most -- biggest challenge to them, they picked donald trump. >> absolutely. they may be right. let's tee this up. the truth is there's an awful lot of talent in the republican field this time around. which i did not -- >> hold on. >> one second here. we have candidate ben carson right now on stage. will he address the trump speech last night? let's listen. >> people are concerned not so much about politics as usual,
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politics of personal distraction, that's what people are sick and tired of. i'm hopeful we reach a level of maturity that we can actually deal with the issues facing us right now. and stop getting into the mud and doing things that really don't matter. >> welcome to south carolina. good to have you at the town hall. always good to be in the congressional district of trey gowdy. we look forward to hearing your sincere, deep and rich answers to some of the questions pressing on the outside and we look forward to answering some of your questions the next few minutes. >> dr. carson, at the risk of getting into the mud, i did talk to voters who are waiting for you to speak today. they were concerned -- a number of them spoke about what donald trumped had to say about your redemption story. given that was a concern expressed to me by some voters, i wonder how you feel about donald trump telling the people
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in iowa they would have to be stupid to believe your redemption story. >> the wonderful thing is, it's not really up to me. it's up to the people. though will listen and they will be able to make a decision about whether they want to listen to the usual politics of personal discretion or whether they want to deal with something better. >> are you personally offended by it? >> let me put it this way. i expect that kind of thing. that's what's been going on in our country for years that's dragging us in the mud. i don't expect it to change any time soon but i don't have to get into it. >> reporter: americans willing to run for president, with a history, and what president obama had to deal with a few years ago, how -- what do you say to that being the elephant in the room? >> i would say the same thing
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that i would say about any audience that i talk to. the message that i have doesn't change from one audience to the next. i talk about the same things, for instance, several months ago at the national organization for latino elected officials. i gave them the same message i give anybody else. i gave the same message when i spoke at al sharpton's conference that i give anywhere else. i give the same message when i went and spoke at cornel. because the issues that involve us as a nation right now, as far as i'm concerned, they're not democrat or republican issues. they're not one ideology or another. they go to the essential survival and prosperity of our nation. those are the things i feel are important and what we need to be talking about. i think they have broad application to every aspect of
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our society. [ inaudible ] >> i'm not a politician, so i don't go around with my finger in the air saying, let's see, i can do that? will that hurt me with this group? that's what politicians do. i'm not a politician. if it hurts me, it hurts me. if it doesn't,tdoesn't. i don't think it will. >> dr. carson in tuesday's debate you said the chinese are in syria. since then the white house, susan rice, came out and said there's no evidence that the chinese are in syria and that the chinese military don't like to get involved in conflicts in the middle east. do you want to revise or expand your statement? >> we'll be releasing some material on that before the weekend is over. >> would that material -- where did you get that material from? can you give us any details about that? >> i have several sources that i've gotten material from. i'm surprised my sources are better than yours. >> is that something you're going to share with the white house as well? are you in conversation with
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them? you're claiming you know more than the white house. >> they will have the opportunity to see the material. >> reporter: when is that going to come out? >> before the weekend. >> donald trump spoke for 90 minutes. a lot was about you and some was other aspects of the race. he called the people stupid for falling for your story. do you think that's representative of the temperament of a commander in chief? is that what you think the voters want in the white house? >> certainly, it wouldn't be a pattern of behavior i would adopt. you know, that's the nice thing about an extended political process like the one that we have. people will have an opportunity to look at all of us, to assess what kind of people we are and, whether, in fact, we would represent them well. it's a good process. >> reporter: dr. carson, you wanted to talk serious policy, so let's do that. your medicare plan started out
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with one thing, as i understand it. a local reporter on the street said. you talked to some experts and you revised it. i don't think we have details yet. some people are confused. what's wrong with medicare? >> well, what i want to do, obviously, i don't want to get rid of medicare. and i've never said that i wanted to get rid of medicare. people take these things and run with them and distort them for their own purposes. what i do want is for seniors in our society to have excellent care. right now when you look at the number of people in medicare, extremely large number of people and it's going to be half again as much by 2030. so the system the way it's working now, it's going to run out of money.
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it's simply not going to work. medicare is quite complex. it has part a, part b, part c, part d. the part that i really particularly like is part c where you have a choice. where there is premium support and you can use that to buy private insurance. and the amount of that premium support is actually pretty substantial. so if you're able to buy a policy, what i propose is if you're able to buy a policy that actually costs less than that, that you're happy with it, it also includes catastrophic care, that the extra money should go back into your health savings account. right now a quarter of that money goes back to the government and the other goes into a nebulous area where they say we're going to help you. but i would like to put it into your health savings account. and i want to integrate the
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premium support you're getting already with health savings accounts, which hopefully most people will already have in place when they reach the age of eligibility for medicare. and they can just continue to utilize that. >> reporter: dr. carson al costa was convicted of health care fraud. you were a character witness in testifying to his honesty. in your book you also said you felt like there should be harsh punishments for people who -- i think you suggested they should face no less than ten years of prison. and also lose all their personal possessions. is that i bit of hypocrisy given you testified for him. >> well, i recognize that it would appear that way on the surface. i can tell you that there's a reason he's my closest friend. i know his heart. he's one of the most honest people i've ever met in my
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entire life. i don't think that case needs to be relitigated in public. it has been litigated. a penalty has been assessed. it's been served. whether it's just or not doesn't really matter at this point. >> reporter: dr. carson, donald trump last night on cnn compared things you said about having a pathological temper to being a child molester. and said both things are incurable for life. do you find this appropriate dialogue from your front-runner in the republican race? >> it's not the kind of dialogue that i would ever engage in. i'm hopeful maybe his advisers will help him to understand the word pathological and recognize that that does not denote incurable. it's not the same. it simply is an adjective that
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describes something that is highly abnormal. and something that fortunately i've been able to be delivered from for half a century now. >> reporter: do you believe he should issue an apology? >> i don't believe he called me a child molester. >> reporter: he compared your pathology to child molestation. >> well, you know, i always find it a little amusing what people in the press like to say. you compare this and, therefore, you said they're the same. i don't buy all that stuff. those are confess we should ask donald trump. one last question? who should we use for the last question? >> last question. >> reporter: dr. carson what are you going to do to help protect christian higher education in america? >> one thing i would do is encourage congress to become more active. one of the beautiful things
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alexis took when he came to study in america is that we had a system of checks and balances and separation of powers. he was very impressed with that. and it works extremely well when all three branches are active. when one branch sits back a little bit, like the legislative branch is doing right now, with the exception of these two gentlemen, what happens? the other branches tend to be hyperactive. we have a hyperactive judicial branch and legislative branch. the legislative branch is going to need to actually get involved and do something now to protect the rights, the religious rights, of americans of faith. and i'm confident that they will do that. certainly as president, i would work extremely hard with them to
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make sure we never have a situation where people's religious freedom is jeopardized. >> thank you. that's all we have time for. >> there you have it. ben carson in greenville, south carolina, with trey gowdy by his side, speaking to reporters about a whole lot, as you heard. >> he said he was not going to engage in the politics of personal destruction. he said the kind of language donald trump used in his speech last night in iowa, the comparisons between ben carson and a child molester, not -- >> not the kind of dialogue. >> -- not the kind of dialogue i would engage in. let's bring back paul begala, amanda. he flew at 50,000 feet over what donald trump has been doing. >> there was a report in his home there is an inscription from proceed verbs that says, by humility and fear the lord are
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riches, honor and life. that seems to be the motto of his life. he was showing humility, evoking his christian faith. this is going to go very well with dr. carson's voters. and yet in the same presser he plant the seed of further problems. nia-malika henderson from cnn asked him about this nonsense he says where syria is somehow placed where the chinese are now moving in to fight. >> he said this in the debate on tuesday. >> right. there's no evidence of that. nia challenged him on that and he said, i'm going to show you proof that's better than that national intelligence in the defense department and cia. they don't know anything. i know better. it's a seed. i don't think most people will pick up on it. in a terrific performance, once again, he plant another seed of credibility problems that won't affect his voters but maybe affect the largest electorate. >> he -- i think he kind of deflected it. he just says, i'm going to move on. i expect this kind of thing in terms of the criticisms from trump. i expect this kind of thing.
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this is what's been happening. this is how politicians act for years. standing next to trey gowdy and tim scott, so i wonder what's going through their minds but what do you think of what carson is saying there? is he single-handedly going to be able to change the tone of where this republican race has gone so far? >> no, but he can choose to engage it. i think the carson campaign looked at trump's performance where he's grabbing the belt buckle and saying, go ahead, keep making a fool of yourself, mr. trump, i'm going to stick to my story. i agree completely with paul. what's far more interesting were the matters of substance dr. carson did not address. the questions about, you know, where he got these sources about the chinese in syria. we need to see that. it reminds me of what he said last weekend when he was asked questions about his biography and said, okay, i'm going to produce someone this weekend. that never happened. so, apparently we're going to get two big stories this weekend. we're going to find out who the sources are for the people in syria and also find out who is the person that he allegedly stabbed. which i have no reason not to
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believe that that did happen. also, the answer about medicare. he was asked about his plan for medicare. he kind of in a very roundabout way said he liked medicare part "c" which allows people to shop around. that wasn't really an answer. does that mean he wants to expand that particular program to kor all of medicare? as a doctor, i think he has a responsibility to be much more specific on that question, which impacts so many seniors. >> weekends are big, apparently, for finding out the sources of china and he say ths that he believess sources are better than theirs. >> and his sources wear tin hats apparently. >> thank you, paul begala and amanda carpenter. we have new breaking news about the man who is the face of isis, jihadi john and is he really dead? we have new information from the u.s. military. stay with us.
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just moments ago, u.s. military officials said they have great confidence that a drone strike killed jihadi john, a man they considered to be the face of isis. now, this is just one of several fast-moving developments in the fight against isis this morning and the kurdish forces are claiming that isis is on the run after a 48-hour battle for the strategic battle for sinjar in northern iraq. >> join g ing us is retired brigadier general mark kinnet
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who just returned from iraq. now, when you are hearing this, and president obama speaking in a new interview to abc news, he says when it comes to eisis, we have contained them is the word from the president saying they have not gained ground in iraq and syria, and they don't see the systemic march of isis across the terrain, but he says that we have not been able to completely decapitate their command. we have contained them, the words from president obama. what does that mean to you in terms of the ultimate goal of degrade and destroy? >> what it means is that we have had tactical victories in the near term, to believe that we have defeated them is despite the facts. we have been fighting them for 25 years, and couple of tough victories for the kurds in sinjar and the killing of jihadi jo john, and while very, very
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helpful in the near term, in the long term perspective, that doesn't have much of an effect. >> in the near term though, has there been a shift on the ground there in iraq and syria, because you have a coordinated campaign, and you call it a tactile victory, but this is a complicated effort, and 7,500 kurdish troops and new supplies and equipment in turkey nearby there and there appears to be an accelerated effort by the coalition and by those kurdish forces and other forces on the ground. >> well, that is correct. i don't want to discount what is being done by the coalition inside of iraq. that is a great success they had in sinjar, and the integration of the coalition power and the peshmerga fighters on the ground is a classic example of how the air-ground operations should run. again, i am not suggesting that it is not important, but what it suggests is that this is a long war that is going to go well beyond a cup coll of battles inside of syria and iraq.
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is "legal view with ashleigh banfield." we are going to bring you the updates on the war of terror. the coalition is chalking up too big wins today. one of them has a wide impact of everything happening in iraq right now, and the other is just about one man, but a very sadistic man, and still not confirmed, but senior pentagon officials say they are quote reasonably certain that jihadi john is a dead man officially. let's start with him. he is the english-speak iing is executioner with a lot of blood on his hands. jihadi john has killed hostages in the name of isis and sometimes beheading them on camera and posting the videos on the internet. last night, the u.s. military sent drones to kill jihadi john, and think are still doing battlefield analysis to see whether or not that mission was accomplished. our barbara starr is live at


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