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by the month. you're looking live right now at the white house where president barack obama is set to meet tomorrow with french president hollande after the paris attacks. but do we have intelligence that we need to fight isis? this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. here is what we know right now. bombs raining down on the isis capital 06 r aaqqau. and new information on salah abdeslam. and in brussels, a city under the highest alert amid fears of another terror attack, terror
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team wait to go strike there. meanwhile, donald trump doubles down in ohio tonight saying this about the terror attacks. >> you look at paris as an example. if some of those folks that were gunned down. you had hundreds and hundreds of people in the room. if some of those folks carried guns, you wouldn't have this. you wouldn't have this. >> we're going to get to all of that this evening, but we want to begin with some breaking news tonight. evan perez has new information on the paris attacks. as i understand, you've gotten new reporting on the attackers there. tell us about it. that's right, don. the fbi, the homeland security department and the national counterterrorism department has interested a new intelligence report to people around the country telling them to be aware of people who might be doing surveillance of soft targets to carry out terror attacks. this is all in the wake of the
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paris attacks and it had some really interesting new information about what the attackers in paris did. for instance, the bullets in the intelligence bulletin says these attackers appeared to have had some kind of tactical planning and perhaps training ahead of time. they conducted surveillance of some of the sites that they carries out these attacks against. we reported previously they found a cell phone outside the theater and it included encrypted apps and a message which appeared to away coordinated message that the attackers used to carry out these attacks. this is all information that's contained in these bulletin that was intended to help prepare law enforcement around the u.s. to make sure they have updated their training for active shooters, to make sure that they be on the lookout for people who might be doing surveillance on
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soft targets, places like stadiumes and concert venues, makes like cafes, places that these attackers in paris carried out these attacks. >> everybody, thank you very much for that. let's follow up now. martin savage joins us from paris and neema is in brussels tonight the. martin, police apparently found a suicide belt in the trash in a suburb of paris today along with this new information. talk to us about this. tell us about what you know. >> this was just as the city was start to go relax a little bit. but this evening, late this afternoon, there was a street cleaner that apparently discovered this explosives belt is the way that the shorauthori have described it. as a result of that, the bomb squad was called in and they have apparently rendered it ine inert. it is unclear whether it had a
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detonator on it, but authorities are saying it did have the same kind of explosive that they detected in the explosions that were detonated by suicide bombers in the attacks of friday the 13th. on top of that, they say it was in the area of where they had discovered a phone that had been linked to the last of the eight terrorists. in fact, the only survivor, which is now the most wanted man in all of france and that that is, of course, is sa he lah abdeslam. many are wondering is that his vest? if so, why is that vest there? some are saying possibly it was defective and he left it behind. others are saying, no, he had a change of heart and that he abandon both the mission and the vest and fled. right now, authorities aren't giving any answers on that, but it certainly has raised so many more questions. and now in this city, the level of fear, as well. >> nima, brussels now is in its third day of a lockdown because
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of a serious imminent threat. what is the latest? what does this mean for the people there? >> well, authorities, don, have extended that serious threat level up in many until next monday. so we're looking potentially at about a week and a half. they are hoping, however, to reopen schools and the subway system on wednesday. but they're saying that that isn't any signifier of any real sense that the threat level here is lessening. in fact, they're asking people to be on high alert, to be vigilant, to call in anything that they see. this city is going through some of the most stringent security procedures since the second world war, don. you do get the sense that this is a city under siege. some brave souls did venture out during today day, but by nightfall, most of them had gone in. it is extraordinary haunting to see soldiers, to see these procedures, empty buses driving past us in a major european
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capital city. all of their raids, all of the sieges so far, only one person is now in custody with a direct link to the terror attacks since this threat level was raised. >> and beside that's vest that allegedly belonged to abdaslam, are there any more links to him? >> all leads do seem to come back here to belgium. but this is an incredibly wide hunting ground. police have been moving throughout so many districts, to that suburb of brubels that has emerged which is a nexus in that investigation. but you don't get a sense, don, that it has been narrowed in any way. many of those intelligence sources we've been talking to say this is a critical time period because, often, when the net does begin to close in, that's when those beam being hunted start to make drastic decisions. so there is so many on tuch on
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here. >> martin, president hollande is coming here to the u.s. tomorrow to meet with president obama. what does he want from the u.s.? >> well, i think what he's trying to get is to encourage a strong coalition of european forces to join together. of course, there are separate nations that are all conducting air strikes and carrying out their own objectives when it comes to taking down isis. i think as a result of this he believes france is trying to encourage these nations to come together, work out some grangd strategy to destroy isis. that is something that he has mrej plea of not guiltied to doing. it's no secret he has declared war and in many ways france feels it is at war. i think in many ways that is what he is trying to do. and, clearly, trying to encourage a joint strategy. >> i want to turn to paul now. i want to ask you about this new
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information quickly that evan perez got for us. the terrorist attacks conducted, there was a bulletin issued by the fbi warns u.s. law enforcement to review training and on and on and on here. confirmed to u.s. officials advises local law enforcement officials to go over local procedures and watch for those with soft targets. >> in france, the worry that there could be copy attacks and the worry that isis may infiltrate operatives into the united states. that would be to recruit european extremists and retrain them in iraq. we know some of the plotters involved in this attack could have gotten into the united states and with the visa waiver
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program, they weren't necessarily on the watch list. >> how should americans read that going into this heavily traveled holiday week, as well? keep copy and carry on, i think. the advice would be the threats are greater in europe than in the united states. clearly, a much bigger threat, much more stretched with authorities dealing with this. the fbi has huge resources, more resources than most european countries and so i think the risk of terrorist attack is significantly lower here in the united states. >> that is what i was going to ask you. now let's move on to the worldwide because the sate department has issued a travel alert worldwide because of increased terrorist threats. what does that tell you? >> i think this is reflective of isis getting increasingly into
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the international terror business. in the last two months, you saw that terrible attack from suicide bombers, more than a hundred killed. you saw the metro jel jet being down probably by isis, suicide bombings in bay rude from isis, the terrorist attackes and now this unprecedented attack in belgium. it would appear there is a possible additional team bloth something large scale in brussels. >> how important is this suicide vest for investigators? >> it would be a gold mine. it is difficult to extract information, but they'll be examining it, looking at the potential signature of the bombmaker. and by going through it and examining it, going through the forensics, you might be figure out where the bombmaker purchased those ingredients. it may help them to get on to some of these extra cell members. >> there was talk that salam was
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planning another series of attacks throughout paris or in europe but then panicked. >> that is one theory investigators are looking at, that he aborted the mission. >> what's the evidence? >> he just didn't blow himself up. that could away defective suicide vest so he decided that he couldn't continue the mission at that point our got cold feet, that he didn't want to die at the end of the mission, but they do believe that he helped transport some of the attackers to the stadium, that he was driving a renault clear around, and so he played a significant role in this terrorist attack. now the theory has gone to ground somewhere perhaps in brussels or belgium. >> and belgium is on the highest alert, they carried out a number of sweeps this weekend, but only one arrest. no cache of weapons found. should that make police more
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worried? >> you and i were still on the air on friday when it was breaking late. they got some specific information, there could be an attack team that was aiming something towards brussels. this goes far beyond the concern of abdeslm being on the run. if they did have a handle on it, i don't think they would have put out such an unprecedented warning b, raised the terror alert. they didn't do that, for example, before they thwarted a major plot by isis in january and that's because they had a handle on it. they were doing 24/7 surveillance. in this case, they don't seem to know who is involved, who isn't involved and what they're planning and when this attack could take place. given what we saw take place in paris on friday of the other week, they can't take any chances. >> i want you to stay with me, paul. we have a lot to talk about here. when we come back, do we have
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the intel we need to fight isis or are we flying blind against a brutal enemy? plus, donald trump doubles down insisting he saw people cheering in new jersey after the september 11th attack. hey peter. (unenthusiastic) oh... ha ha ha! joanne? is that you? it's me... you don't look a day over 70. am i right? jingle jingle. if you're peter pan, you stay young forever. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. ♪ you make me feel so young... it's what you do. ♪ you make me feel ♪ so spring has sprung. ok, wehere's dad. mom.
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break news tonight, the latest intemgs showing isis leaders are fleeing their strong hold due to the air strikes by the united states, france and russia. they may be trying to move their operations to safer locations.
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yet tonight, questions about the accuracy of the overall u.s. intelligence on isis. let's discuss now with ambassador james r.wolsley, director of the central intelligence and arthur shank is with me. still some questions to ask, the "new york times," this is what the "new york times" is reporting, that the president is seeing skewed intelligence on isis that some analysts in the defense department report their supervisors charged some of the tougher report or changed some of the tougher reports about military failures and mistakes. the times says u.s. central command may have given the white house a more optimistic assessment of the military campaign against isis. is that true? and if so, what impact would that have? >> i don't know whether it's true. i understand the inspector general is looking into it. it's the kind of thing that can happen over time in something like this.
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the administration, right from the top, including the president, has generally had and set out a fairley rosy view of how things have developed, they killed bin laden so they talk about that.. they have a narrative, as they call it, and the narrative has been for some time things are going well, we've got things in hand, we've got things contained. now, it may be that some mid level bureaucrats or intelligence officers, one or the other, thought that they were doing the boss's will by emphasizing and asking to have emphasized and reports that were -- they had some responsibility for how well things were going. that would be a shame. that's not the way it's supposed to work. the analysts are supposed to work together, but they call it
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straight and continue to call it straight if they're doing their jobs right. but there may have been some distortion. we'll have to see. too rosy a picture. but that overall type of distortion, at least in that direction, has been around for some time and some of it has come from very close to the top. >> if that report sg, indeed, true, do you think that would explain, in your words, a rosy or a rosier view of the fight against isis? >> well, it could. i mean, people -- and sometimes in bureaucracies do what they think the boss wants even if they haven't been ordered to do something. and the -- they start with a narrative and the narrative is what everybody talks about. and then they -- if something
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happens that doesn't fit with the narrative, if the narrative is everything is going fine but, whoops, here comes something that doesn't look that way, there's a database often an effort to sort of change the way reality is described just enough to fit in with the narrative. i think we ought to scrap the idea of the narrative. it's another word for narrative may be lie. but -- and just call it straight. and there will be disagreements, certainly, among analysts and within the various agencies that are involved and you hash those disagreements out. once you decide what the best characterization is, call it straight and stay with it. don't go fiddling around at the last minute in order to put a rosy gloss on it. >> the president yesterday, in malaysia, saying 80s not that i've been getting rosy or glowing portraits.
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he's saying a pretty clear eyed sober assessment of where we've made the real progress and where they've not. so he doesn't believe he's getting that. what do you make of that? >> that's just one of the feeds. there are other intelligence agencies, as well, going up to the president. i think the track record of u.s. intelligence has been pretty good on the isis threat. but whether the administration has taken heed of it, paid attention to it is perhaps a different question. when you saw the rice rise of isis in the first part of 2014, you had a president talking about, you know, the jv remark, he got a lot of flack from this. that was a time when the u.s. intelligence community wab warning by and large that isis -- what it was then known as a predecessor organization was known as an emerging, rising and insurgent threat in iraq. >> this is something that the u.s. counterterrorism official
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told cnn's barbara starr today. it says, isis is under intelligence pressure. it has lost territory, key leaders and it can no longer rely on seizing large swaths of land to rally its fighters. although isil continues to attract foreign fighters, the pace is barely able to keep up with its battlefield casualties. is this square with what you're hearing from your sources about the rosier scenario? is this the reality of the ground? >> i think there's been some process against syria and iraq. they have lost some territory. they are under pressure. they have lost some important leaders. but they hold some significant urban centers in iraq. you're looking at masul, ramadi, raqqua and syria. and i think one of the criticisms of this strategy is it's going to take too long. it's going to take years to significantly degrade isis and remove this. during this period, isis will
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have plenty of opportunity to use this terror safe haven to plot more outrages like they saw in paris friday a week ago. and that's a real concern. at the same time, this is a group that's expanding on several other fronts in the middle east. notably in egypt and the sinai peninsula where it recently appears to have tape down that russian jet and in a big way on libya in the southern shore of the medicine mediterranean, syria, pakistan and several other countries where it has a presence. and you're going to have some point when isis is weakened and places getback bad and the sunni populations there are going to rise up against isis. and that may happen or it may be wishful thinking. isis is brutal the way they deal with the sunnis. there's not much oxygen for people to rebel. >> that's what i want to talk to
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you more about intelligence. there are a lot of fingers pointing criticism of french intelligence, of the european intelligence system as a whole. so who screwed up here? and what went wrong here? >> well, it's a little hard to tell. i think the french responded very quickly and effectively once the terrible incidents began to occur and they missed catching people and stopping it from happening, just as we missed stopping 9/11, even though we had some chances that may have worked out to do so if we had done everything right. i wouldn't be particularly critical of the french. i think hollande has taken a brave and decisive stance and i think france is -- probably would have been delighted to have had early and strong american help. it didn't really get it. so it's turned away from nato and is asking for the group to
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be of -- of supporting countries to be put together based upon the european union's language about countries of the eu being under attack. i hope that we continue to be able to have a close specific ive alliance with our oldest ally, but i think we have not dealt with them well. >> president obama meeting with president hollande tomorrow coming here to the u.s. thank you, ambassador. thank you, paul. i appreciate it. donald trump coming to ohio and widening his lead in the polls. has the paris terror attacks changed everything in the gop race? we'll look at that next. plaque psoriasis...
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done ald trump campaigning tonight in columbus, ohio, seems to be opening up a double digit lead over his close he competitor, ben cars yop. sara, did donald trump address new jersey on september 11th? if so, what did he say? >> he did.
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he's been getting a lot of scrutiny over these remarks, that he saw people celebrating in new jersey on 9/11, celebrating as the twin towers fell. and look, even though fact checkers, even though the media, even government officials have disputed these claims, donald trump was not backing down on them tonight. he reiterated them and he even went into detail talking about his experience on 9/11, saying he was home in his apartment and he remembers seeing people jumping from the twin towers and bodies falling. so it was a pretty sort of extended riff on this tonight, don. >> also, you know the headlines today about what happened to a protester over the weekend at a trump event. what did donald trump say about that? did he discuss it? >> this has gotten a lot of attention. there was a protester over the weekend at his event who said he was punched, choked, kicked during this rally. tonight, donald trump came on stage and addressed it. take a listen. >> two nights ago, we had a phenomenal room just like this. and the place was packed.
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and we had one protesters in the very back and he started screaming and yelling. really, it was very bad -- it was terrible, actually. but security -- nothing to do with my security. it was local security, the convention center security. they took him out. the cameras never moved. i said show the crowd. the cameras stayed. just now they stayed the same. they never move. they don't do it purposely. i figured maybe they weren't adjustable. but as soon as this guy was taken out, all of the cameras were right on him, you know? they were right on him. they were following him right out the door and then they said he got treated rough. first of all, it wasn't my people if they treated him rough, but he was really misbehaving badly. it's one of those things. >> so you can see there, trump not denouncing any violence that came from the crowd, but just saying, look, it wasn't me. it wasn't my guys. and it was interesting talking to some attendees here tonight. they felt like the story was totally overblown.
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many of them didn't believe the protesters faced any threat or any violence. don. >> all you have to do is look at the video. it's everywhere. joining me now is hugh hewitt. we will be one of the panelists for the gop debate on december 15th. mi mr. hewitt, first your reaction to trump saying he saw thousands of muslims in new jersey celebrating on 9/11. >> i asked george pataki on my show today if he recalls that and he does not and no one has been able to find any video footage. i was on the air six to seven hours that day and i don't recall it. i do remember jubilant crowds, i think it was in gaza. but like mrs. clinton remembering being under fire in bozny ya or -- >> hugh, don't deflect. >> people remember what they want to remember. >> let's discuss this. >> i am. i'm talking about memory. >> you're better than that. you're better than that. >> mrs. clinton remembers being under fire in -- >> what does this have to do with mrs. clinton? we're talking about donald trump. >> it goes to memory.
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>> we're talking about donald trump. you know i respect you -- >> i'm making a point. >> let's discuss this. >> i'm making a point. >> okay. go ahead. >> here is my point. today, glenn kessler in "the washington post" published a big fact check off donald trump. it was originally wrong because there were some reports of at least some people jubilant over the attacks in new jersey. the fact check was wrong. the i don't remember it. no one else can find video of it, but donald trump can remember what donald trump wants to been ben carson walked it back today. i'm not saying it's true. i'm saying the media has a double standard when it comes to trump to try and track down and get him on every single detail. >> but this is my next question. if you -- you know, listen, let me just give you that. i'm not saying it's true. let's just say the mainstream media is somehow bias against donald trump. again, i'm not saying that's true. wouldn't someone be able to produce the video or show some sort of evidence, the fact that
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no one can show evidence that this is a -- doesn't mean that there is some mainstream conspiracy. it's just about the truth. that's it. >> no, but don, here is my point. in the last four days, three americans have been killed by islamist terrorists, one from france, malli and israel. the media ought to be covering that and -- >> we just did on our show. >> i know. i was following it close. it was important. but what they want to do -- because donald trump generates ratings. they want to bring donald trump rather than talk about the bigger issue. he's in columbus tonight. by the way, i hope he was endorsing the bucks over the wolverine these weekend. that would have been wise. but the bigger story is what is he saying about the islamist threat in the world, not what he remembers because you can remember something wrong. i don't think it happened. i have seen no evidence that it happened other than "the washington post" account from 2001 that said it occurred with some people that appeared to be
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tailgating. it's a convoluted thing. but i don't think it happened. nevertheless, let's move on and move to the fact that three americans are dead, 80 plus fresh mern are dead, brussels is locked down. mali is under attack, israel has had a series of terror attacks and the media wants to go after donald trump on something he remembers? >> listen, hugh, with all do due respect, donald trump is run to go be the leader of the free world. what i'm saying here is if donald trump brings ratings, as you say, then why would the media want to bring him down? what is in it for the media to bring down someone who brings them big ratings? >> they just pay attention to whatever he has to say. all i'm asking for is when hillary clinton remembers being under schneider sniper fire in bosnia, that as much time is spent on her unusual memories as are spent on dol donald trump's unusual memories. because what the media is not doing is applying the same level
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of scrutiny as they are to republicans. i just want the that to level out, don. >> i do remember, hugh. i covered the last two elections and this election very closely right here on cnn. and i remember a big deal was made about hillary clinton and the helicopter and all ofs those issues. we covered that add nauseam. that was part of the last election. >> no, this is fact checkable. do you think you spent as much time on this show -- >> i don't know that. >> covering hillary clinton in bosnia and -- >> i'm not a fact checker, but i do know it was covered. so let's move on, let's move on. >> okay. >> donald trump is at the top of the polls follow by ben carson. do you think this is going to affect them negatively at all? >> no. >> it doesn't seem to affect donald trump tonight. >> no. where was he tonight? he was in columbus because there's a big buckeye/michigan game going on. the people that supported donald trump, they don't like the media attacks. they believe it's part of the effort to silence them by
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silencing trump. i don't know if it grows his numbers, either. i see a race right now with the top tier being trump, rubio, carson and cruz and another tier with fiorina, christie and bush. i think this is a command ner chief debate. i think this is a debate about who is going to lead the country in difficult times and i think the most important issue will be what will you do in the aftermath of a paris style attack in the united states? tom cotton is on my show today. he just don't back from the middle east. every american, you, don, me, hewitt, everyone should be saying what do we want done after a paris style attack in the united states? we should want that done right now. it will not be fly speccing candidates memories. it will be what do we do about terrorism? >> that's donald trump tonight talking about the paris attacks. listen. >> they're calling them all sorts of names, all these beautiful, incredible names. the word i hear more than any
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other name is mastermind. the mastermind. i called him the guy with the dirty filthy hat who is a semi thug. he's nothing. he's nothing. but i watched the news and i see -- and actually he treats me nicely so i'm not going to say anything badly. one of the few anchors who treats me -- but he's talking, the mastermind is being hunted right now. they're trying to figure it out. you know, he's a brilliant, brilliant young man. brilliant? he dropped a couple of kids into a room and they started shooting people indiscriminantly. there's nothing brilliant. >> people are scared. does that help? >> oh, i think that talking about it as at length and being opened to people following his conversation does help trump. we have not seen mrs. clinton. all we've seen the president do is attack republicans. we have not seen the president try and rally the country to the threat. we have not seen the president call up our sunni arab allies
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and ask them to join a coalition. i have had 12 interviews since paris, each one of them more serious and in-depth than anything the president said about what to do about this threat. the president is silence, hillary clinton is hiding and donald trump is gaining support because he is talking about it. some people will be repulsed by it. but the important thing is, republicans are talking about. donald, this is a five-word presidency right now. leading from behind. jv is contained. ft. has been wrong from day one about this threat. he remains wrong tonight. his policy has failed. donald trump is the most popular person talking about this failure and it's a failure hillary clinton owns. i just howard paul crunkshake talk about libya. >> he was reeling off -- >> he was talking about that.
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>> as he was reeling off as all those areas that isis was gaining strong hold. but i have to say, people can learn a lot from you because you stay on message. but this is the way you have a sdus discussion or a disagreement. i appreciate the conversation with you, hugh. >> as i always do with you, don. see you soon. coming up, more on donald trump doubling down on his claims that thousands of people cheered the 9/11 attacks in new jersey. why dr. ben carson does not agree now. in control of the fi. actually, any wife, husband, or human person can use progressive's name your price tool to take control of their budget. and while the men do the hard work of making money, she can get all the car insurance options her little heart desires. or the women might do the hard work of making money. [ chuckling ] women don't have jobs. is this guy for real? modernizing car insurance with -- that's enough out of you! the name your price tool, only from progressive. where is your husband? the name your price tool, only from progressive. i tabut with my back paines, i couldn't sleep and get up in time. then i found aleve pm.
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donald trump in ohio tonight refusing to back down from his claim that he saw thousands of people in new jersey cheering after the 9/11 attacks. donald trump says -- you know the story. he saw thousands of people cheering in new jersey after the 9/11 attacks. ben carson said that he saw it and backtracked and said, no, it didn't happen. what do you think, do you think this discussion is dangerous, charles? >> well, i think the larger discussion we're kind of anti-muslim, very broad discussions about muslims in general and not specific to
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isis. not specific to refugees and whether or not we should deal -- you know, whether to improve our screening process which swb in fact, pretty good at this point it seems based on the data we have already for the number of people who have been allowed into the country as refugees since 9/11 and the number of people who have either been removed or arrested because of terrorist links. since they seem to be doing a good job and during that time, al qaeda was trying to do damage to americans. so they seem to be doing a pretty good job. if you're going to keep it specific, that seems like one thing. if you go very broad, it seems dangerous to me because i think about the millions of american citizens who are muslim americans. and what impact kind of ratcheted up rhetoric has on them. it's millions open people, it's hard to know exactly how many. it ranges from a few million to other ten million. if you can plug it in the middle for a reference point, about 6 million people, that's about as
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many as jewish people we have in this country. those are people who have found a way to reconcile their religion to our laws, to find a contact sport and just like the rest of the people with religion issues in this cup. >> the way we have a conversation and the language are both important and being specifically about what exactly we're talking about is very important. so what do you make of donald trump's comments about 9/11 and the question, do you think it's dangerous or not? >>. >> well, i think he's wrong on this point and unhelpful. but i also have a concern from the other side of things, which is that there is a prevailing sentiment and it is why some people are willing to give donald trump a lot of slack and that there that there is an attempt to silence all the time. the issues of terms like islamophobia, why are you criticizing all muslims when, in fact, there are many people of faith in this country who who
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want to have a discussion, who want to empower moderates who want to talk about what the bad ideas are, how to stop them and how to counter them. that's often shut down. it's often shut down when people with islam are critical. it's not a racial issue. it's an ideallogical issue. like any other faith system or belief system, it has to be open to criticism. and the case of islam, as we know, that is a sore point. there is a very serious -- >> why do you think that's happening? why do you think it's important? why do you think it's -- to have the conversation you think is deemed ats as islomopho by-c. >> yeah. i think the most you start to say there are problems that come specifically from within the islamic tradition, not necessarily saying that it's predominant or even a majority, but when you say there are some very bad ideas that are widespread enough, that they are
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causing problems including thousands of terrorist jihadist incidents around the world, year in and year out, then you have on the other side people saying how dare you say that? there's going to be a surge of violence against muslims, we're trying to prevent violence against muslims by helping those within the faith repudiate those ideas. that can't happen if we're always being told you're racest, you're islam phobic or you can -- >> charles blow writes in the "new york times" today, anti-muslim is anti-american. this demonnizing a single religious faith is a slippery slope. it feeds something that is at odds with the most noble ambition of this country's better angels. equality. what do you think about this language and using the gop candidates you believe is using against the -- >> right. this is a simple concept. this is a country where we have freedom of religion, separation of church and state, this is a country that is moving slowly
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but towards equality for muslims trying to honor those equally born -- over the long arc of history moving in that direction. >> do you see part of his argument, what he is saying? >> listen, i think if we are targeting the idea that there are people who are hijacking that religious faith, that we fwheed to target those people and keep it specific to the people doing the hijacking and not broaden to have dangerous language about a whole faith. because in this country, we have freedom of religion and that is one of the things that makes america really special. one of the other things is to be specific about where the jihadists are coming from. there is a lot of -- it's like 1.7 billion mul muslims in the world. it's not happening within every muslim country or even the ones with the most muslims in it. you don't have the same circumstances in india, you
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don't have to same set of circumstances in bangladesh, even. so i think you have to be specific and say there is an area where this is permanent -- >> we've got to get on a break. you'll get a chance to respond about this more. when we come right back, the refugee crisis, a hot button issue on the campaign trail. so, of course, "saturday night live" is taking it on, as well. something better and bigger than here and with 80 thousand people to help you realize your wildest dreams... we'll get you there. because there is no stop in us. or you. only go.
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the refugee crisis is one of the hottest issues on the campaign trail. that hasn't stopped "saturday night live" from looking at it. they didn't shy about which refugee crisis. look at this. >> you know, i am thankful that our governor is not going to let those refugees in here. >> oh, my god. >> you know, i heard the refugees are all isis in disguise. >> that is true. i saw an isis in the a&p today when i was picking up the yams. >> no, you didn't, aunt cathy. that was an asian woman. >> you may laugh, but it's not far from what some of the
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candidates are saying and it's not far from what we are hearing from viewers, as well, charles. >> and a very interesting part of that was well, i thought i saw somebody in there that was isis and no, you saw an asian lady. anybody can be part of isis. anybody can be muslim. we identify and stereotype based on appearances. so the racial overlap -- race overlaps tremendously with the way that people stereotype about religion, particularly muslim religions because they think about kind of areas where people are from. what we are talking about here, does the truth matter any more? people say things, they take one bit of information to shape their truth. does it makes any more? >> we're getting almost existential here, but yeah, i think the truth masters in some context. i think we're talking about the demagoguery around refugees. i was in the refugee camp necessary 2013.
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this has been an issue for a very long time. the obama administration has not cared about refugees very much at all until now in the aftermath of the paris attacks where it seems to be a convenient way to get the discussions going on something else. it's a bit late in the game for them. 10,000 is a small fraction of refugees we're dealing with here. >> i have to get to a break. >> i would say one thing. the truth shouldn't matter in some context, it should matter always and forever. >> i think we all agree, the truth matters. that's what i'm here for. >> thank you. i appreciate it. when we come back, the man would says if donald trump gets the nomination, the gop will be, in his words, the party of hate.
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