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>> reporter: we saw no nasty slippers, but there is nasty woman perfume. hillary fans can carry their nasty stuff in this nasty is the new black tote. jeanne moos -- >> such a nasty woman. >> reporter: cnn -- >> such a nasty woman. >> reporter: new york. >> thanks for joining us. "a.c. 360" starts now. good evening, thanks for joining us. two weeks and a day until the election. the voting is well under way, in person, early voeing kicking off today in florida. donald trump is wrapping a live event in tampa, crisscrossing the state, mixing what sounds like his closing argument with long running grievance about the polls, media, rigged system and all the rest. he says he thinks he's winning. cnn/orc polling shows otherwise. cnn inside politics anchor john king is here to lay it out by the numbers >> anderson, our new numbers show a tighter national race than other national polls but still a lead for secretary clinton heading into the stretch. let's pop up the numbers. 49%-44% among likely vote us in
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our new cnn/orc poll. abc poll over the weekend had it a at 12. 49%-44%. the third party candidate dropping a bit as we get closer to election day. that's fairly typical. five-point advantage among likely voters in our national poll. let's look at some of the reasons why. one, the gender question always prominent in this race. these numbers make the clinton campaign happy. yes, donald trump is winning nothing men, just barely. hillary clinton trying to make history as the first woman president, 53-41. 12-point advantage gender gap if you will among women voters. advantage, clinton, especially if you remember, come election day in the general election, 53% of the voting public will be women. another reason we talked about before here, this persistent education gap in the race for president. mitt romney won white voters last time including white college educated voters, but hillary clinton, the democrat, is winning white voters with a college degree by 12 points in our new poll. 11 points, excuse me. that's an advantage for clinton.
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heading into the end, though, donald trump, look at this, the foundation of trump support, white voters without a college degree, a whopping 30-point lead on that question. one of the arenreasons this is a total blowout nationally. we didn't just ask voters who they're voting for, we asked them why. a five-point national lead, not a total blowout. one of the reasons it's not bigger than that, who would best handle the economy? donald trump wins on that. the other big issues, hillary clinton a little bit on terrorism, a bit on immigration. what has her campaign been about, saying he's erratic, unfit, temperamentally not fit to be president of the united states. the voters agree, nearly 30 points she wince on the question of which candidate has the best temperament to be president, also wins by 15 points when voters are asked which of these two do you trust to be commander in chief? she's winning on the qualification for the job, if you will, even though she trails on the economy. the biggest question of all, anderson, anything in the new national numbers to change this? cnn electoral map shows hillary
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clinton with a lopsided add vanta vantage. there's some reasons to say donald trump's republican support is coming back, maybe that will help him in the west where he's struggling. there's also good reasons for secretary clinton. she leads when we asked voters in the midwest, when asked who they'd pick for president. look at the national numbers and this map, a tighter race than some organizations have it in their polling. still advantage clinton. when you go state by state, lopsided advantage clinton. >> donald trump as we said finished a big rally. his very first words at it after thanking supporters was to point to a different poll showing him in the lead. we should say the survey from "investors business daily" does not meet our standards for transparency. cnn's jim acosta joins us now. thump spending a lot of time in florida obviously this week. he definitely needs to win there. what's the latest tonight? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. donald trump just wrapped up his remarks here at tampa right around us at this moment we want
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to point out we have a small group of donald trump supporters screaming at us saying all sorts of different things. i'm going to try to get through this. but basically donald trump continued his attacks on the news media. earlier today he described reporters covering his rallies as crooks and thieves. he said the media is not only running against me, they're running against you. he went on to say the media does not care about hardworking people. it's been a steady drumbeat of just raising the rhetoric, raising up this rhetoric against the national news media, anderson. there's one reason why he is not happy, obviously with where the polls are right now. earlier today he said these polls are, quote, dark polls. he said designed to suppress the vote. basically to encourage people to stay home because they think donald trump is going to lose, and he used that argument again tonight here in tampa. >> and trump may be saying he's winning but his campaign manager this weekend did seem to acknowledge trump was behind, didn't she? >> reporter: that's right, earlier today donald trump was saying that he was winning, but
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kellyanne conway, his campaign manager, said on "meet the press" yesterday, we are running behind, but then earlier today, anderson, on cnn, jason miller, the senior communications adviser, said oh, no, no, kellyanne conway was talks about fund-raising but anderson, if you go back to the transcript from "meet the press" she was asked about how they're doing in the polls and she acknowledged as is the case right now that day are running behind. i have to point out right now, anderson we've been seeing this at on a routine basis at the donald trump rallies, he's been ramping up the rhetoric against the news media, we're seeing hostility against us, the media covering his campaign. a man right now holding a sign that says "trump sucks." earlier tonight, a woman jabbed me with her "trump for president" sign. i kaecan't imagine another coup weeks of this. it's getting intense. hillary clinton who's putting a good deal of her campaign emergency into
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down-ticket races, some worry is overconfidence. she's extending her coattails to senate candidates, trying to take advantage of the one senator who's been known to get under donald trump's skin. more on that from brianna kei r keilar. >> reporter: hillary clinton making a campaign swing through new hampshire. >> we are more than our disagreements, we americans. there is so much more that unites us than divides us. >> reporter: and she's got help from liberal darling elizabeth warren, senator from neighboring massachusetts who took aim from donald trump for this remark at the last debate. >> such a nasty woman. >> he thinks because he has a mouth full of tic tacs he can force himself on any woman within groping distance. i got news for you, donald trump. women have had it with guys like you. nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart. and nasty women vote.
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>> reporter: but for many americans, election day has come and gone. according to an analysis from catalyst by cnn, 5.1 million votes have already been cast across the u.s. as clinton and her campaign are feeling confident about her path to the white house, she's focusing more on helping democrats take back the senate. campaigning here in the granite state with governor maggie hassan who's leading in the polls as she looks to unseat incumbent republican kelly ayotte. >> unlike her opponent, she has never been afraid to stand up to donald trump. she knows he shouldn't be a role model for our kids or for anybody else, for that matter. >> reporter: it's a familiar refrain clinton is using. over the weekend in north carolina, she rallied voters for deborah ross as she tries to take on senator richard burr. >> unlike her opponent, deborah has never been afraid to stand up to donald trump.
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because she knows he's wrong for north carolina. >> reporter: clinton is steadily moving her focus beyond donald trump. upping her planning for what she believes will be her transition to the presidency, a source close to clinton tells cnn. but clinton denies she's getting ahead of herself. >> you know, i'm a little superstitious about that. we've got a transition operation going and i haven't really paid much attention to it yet because i want to focus on what our first task is and that is convincing as many americans as possible to give us the chance to serve. >> brianna joins us now. what are you hearing from the clinton campaign? how confident is she going to the final two weeks of the campaign? >> reporter: you know, they're saying that every vote matters, of course, but there's a lot of confidence that we're hearing from the clinton campaign. they need to be careful they don't count their chickens before they hatch, specifically we're talks about people in the middle of the political spectrum who don't want to vote for donald trump and don't really want to vote for hillary clinton. they could become complacent if they think they don't have to
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vote for hillary clinton in order to vote against donald trump. but it's just so clear the confidence as she is heading out to help all of these down-ballot democrats. that's what really tells you where they're at. >> brianna, this new report that came out today saying obamacare premiums will be going up an average of 22% next year. that's going to make things difficult for clinton considering how closely she's tied her campaign to its supposed success. >> reporter: that's right. politically this is not good for hillary clinton or for president obama, but here's the bottom line as we see it. i think it's important for people to understand, 22% increase in the next year in premiums on -- through obamacare. these are the plans bought on the exchange. it was 7% last year. so that is a jump. now most people because they get subsidies on the exchange actually aren't going to feel that increase, but still, this is a sizable, the overall cost of the program is big. it's getting bigger an td the b issue is choice. there's a number of states going into next year where people may go on the exchange to get a plan
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and only going to have one insurance company to choose from. >> our panel, jonathan tasini, christine quinn. patrick healy is sheer. trump supporters jeffrey lord and scottie nell hughes. donald trump says he's going to win. they see a path. do you see what he's saying? >> he's in trouble and they know it. they are basing a lot of these assumptions on arizona being a solid trump state. nevada coming through. perhaps new hampshire coming through. certainly ohio and florida coming through. and talking to people inside the trump campaign, they acknowledge that they need that economy argument to really cut their way in the last two weeks. >> that seems to bt only thing in which he's leading. >> the only thing he's leading and, you know, in trump's favor here, 9 the1% of people in the cnn poll say the economy is still very important or important to them. he has an argument to make there.
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he could dtie in the obamacare premium. you have donald trump coming out today saying the latest accuser against him of unrawanted advans is a porn star and bad mouthing her. the last two weeks donald trump needs to be focusing on that economic argument. it's the best one for him, but as we've seen for the last year and a half, his ability to get in his own way is still there. >> jeffrey, even this weekend, gettysburg address which was supposed to outline his first 111 1 supposed to outline his first 111 1 p 100 days he spent a fair amount of time talking about suing these women accusers. >> right. i think what he's tryinging to do is die all this together, all of this gets back to a culture of corruption, if you will. there's an ad i found very interesting. i think 15 days out, if we learned nothing else, the last year and a half, things can change on a dime. there's a television ad by a group called america's worth it. it never mentions donald trump. what it does is attack hillary clinton as the queen of
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corruption and ties her to their words, not mine, liberal media bosses. that is part in parcel of the trump attack, and so -- >> at a major policy address that you said this is going to be my 100 days, the big-ticket item initially to be i'm going to sue all these women -- >> i understand. there's two ways of looking at this, anderson. i confess, that was my first reaction. the second reaction -- >> once you get a couple lines. >> three or four. >> all right. >> once you tie this all in, it's all -- it's all tied together. today in pennsylvania -- wait, wait -- >> let him finish. >> today in pennsylvania, the former democratic attorney general of pennsylvania was sentenced to jail for corruption. now, i'm just saying that this kind of thing makes a difference and that's what he's trying to point out. >> so he's trying to wrap it up in a culture of corruption but if you listen to what anderson said, he raised how he stepped on his message by continuing to
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bring up he's going to sue the women and now attacking the most recent accuser in an incredibly insensitive way by saying something to the effect of this isn't the first time she's been gro groped. >> he said, oh, i'm sure she's been grabbed before. >> the people that's appealing to the most are the people who are harassing jim acosta, diehard trump supporters who hear this and believe that sort of larger, you know, narrative -- >> right. >> -- with the news media. but that's not getting whatever undecided voters are left or the soft clinton supporters. >> these are his acts. this is not a conspiracy by the clinton campaign. these are women who are accusing him of doing something. >> let me ask you about the obamacare premiums going up 22 pk. i mean, that -- had that happened during the primary, that would have been something that bernie sanders would have jumped all over. how bad is this for hillary clinton? >> well, bernie sanders and in progressives still believe that the only way to solve this is to have a single payer medicare for all system.
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i will point out secretary clinton has started talking about the public option as an alternative, frankly, what she needs to move to. there's no question that the obamacare -- the rising premiums are going to hurt people but i think that for donald trump to make the argument and republicans to make the argument they're the solution, they want to throw all the people covered by obamacare off obamacare so they won't have coverage and would not preserve the pre-existing condition -- >> trump claims he would preserve it but how much do you wish -- he hasn't shown how. how much do you wish this happened months ago, this announcement was made? >> thank you for being honest. someone admitting the goal of obama compacare to put us on a payer system. >> i'm saying the opposite. >> that's what the whole goal is. may i finish now? 17 of the 23 exchanges are now out of business, gone bottom up. this is not impacting those in urban areas. this is impacting those people in the rural areas.
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you've got in alabama right now 71% of increases of most people on insurances, oklahoma city is going to have the same kind of -- rural areas of arizona, 116%, they're going to see their premiums -- >> i just want to clarify something, though. >> that's the issues that are impacting america. you can talk about these other women. >> jonathan? >> obamacare was a institute for inaction on the part of republicans, period. republicans did not want to change the current system which basically cost people their lives and left millions of people not covered. >> that's not true. >> it is absolutely fact. >> no, it is not. >> it is absolutely the fact. the second thing, what obamacare tried to do is begin to go along the path, no question about it, to single payer. i'm not embarrassed by it. >> you should be. >> we should have medicare in the country, if we don't have medicare for all system -- >> we have to take a quick break. we're going to pick this up in a moment. later as we've been discussing i'll ask the republican party's top spokesman how donald trump squares his polling problems with women with his continued
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more than just the polls. >> our system is rigged. our system is rigged. she never had a chance of being convicted, even though everybody in this audience, and boy do we have a lot of people, everybody here knows that she's 100% guilty. >> that was donald trump just moments ago. back with our panel. i want to bring up the story from the "wall street journal" because a lot of republicans are pointing to it, ties a contribution from a pac of a close clinton ally, virginia governor terry mcauliffe, to the wife of the guy at the fbi who ended up being in charge of the investigation into the clinton e-mail server. basically implying there was a quid pro quo. >> right. >> how damaging do you think that is? because it certainly fits into the narrative you guys want of -- >> exactly. >> -- that this is -- >> that's exactly the point. anderson, we look at these polls, let me just talk to pennsylvania for a second. depending on the poll he's behind by five, six, seven,
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eight, nine points, et cetera. i know you hate when i do anecdotes. >> go. >> on saturday when i had the day off, i took good old mom, put her in the car, got the halloween pumpkin 20 miles out in the countryside. there were trump signs everywhere. i saw ones, one hillary sign. now, anecdotal, but i'm trying to understand the polling data as, in relation to the -- >> what you're seeing out there. >> what i'm seeing on the ground. the last time i saw that much effort for one candidate was 2008, they were all obama sides. >> christine, this terry mcauliffe story, this guy was not in charge of the investigation when the donation was made to his wife. he was later, i guess, elevated. >> right. >> how serious do you think this is? >> look, terry mcauliffe is an intelligent guy. there's no way around that. he doesn't have some kind of esp where he can figure out -- >> he's a very close friend of the clintons. >> he gave a donation in relevance to where somebody was. i'm not saying he couldn't be so
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intelligent to see into the future to know where this gentle ma'amm man was going to go. >> he was there. >> the gentleman was in one place and another job. he couldn't have possibly known. look, i don't disregard signs. they're a sign of enthusiasm. anecdote, i was in a restaurant today, a man came up to me and said i don't want to interrupt your lunch, his eyes welled up with tears, he said i wasn't sure what i was going to vote for, now as it's gone on and on, think about my daughters. >> like dueling banjo. >> mine has a person, he just has signs. >> he didn't have any tears -- >> pumpkins, though. >> all right. all right. two guys walked into a bar. one of them -- >> but it is interesting, these polls, i mean, the trump people continue to say, look, these polls are just flat-out wrong. >> right. and, look, we're going to know in two week. the problem is something like pay for play can have real damage, it can do real damage.
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you have to start laying the groundwork for a pay to play argument months in advance in order for it to break through and people to understand it. donald trump, i remember when we talked last spring when he was trying to figure out what adjective to put onto hillary clinton's name, he was going for sort of low energy hillary. >> highbrow -- >> he went for crooked hillary, but the thing is that pay for play, it's a complicated, you know, multilayered argument that just in the last two weeks, it's really very hard to -- >> this is another chapter in the book of corruption, the clinton corruption chronicles. >> doesn't donald trump continue to step on his message every step of the way? i mean -- seems like he cannot -- it seems like any other candidate would have been able to make a more coherent argument over, to patrick's point, over months and months and months without having, you know, the headline this weekend being i'm going to sue these women when i get into office. >> but i think he has. i mean, let's look at it. we had saudi arabia arms deal, we had -- >> it was a 39-minute speech
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about 15 minutes -- >> no, actually i think it came out und out, two minutes were focused on women who were going to sue him. ten minutes was background overall. of the past. dealing with the scandal and media bias was ten minutes. he lumped it all together to jeffrey's point. >> it was everything other than issues about his first 100 days. >> i think it goes back to the idea, what is the media focusing on, what are they focusing on? what are the stories they're making their headlines be out of? they're not talking about the fact he wants to rid the swamp, he wants to put in term limits. >> by the way -- he's not talking about it -- >> the majority of it -- focusing on one line. >> the moment that i will never forget in this campaign, many moments, was interviewing donald trump in his office the day after fbi director comey's report came out on the e-mail scandal in july and saying to donald trump, this is a gift, you know, you're going to be talking about this for the next, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks. he said i can talk about it for about five minutes at the rally then everybody gets bored and got to go back to the wall and
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got to go to the polls. it was sort of like a -- that moment crystalized him, you know, for me. he's a showman. he's a performer. he needs, you know, there's a plus. the idea of prosecuting an argument for three months, four months, the e-mail was perfectly served up, you know, as a weapon for him. and july, it just sort of faded and august -- >> he had three opportunities at the debates. to your word you used, anderson, coherence, if you actually go and read the transcripts which geeks like me do, he's not able to make a coherent argument about any policy issue. >> i remember corey lewandowski before the last debate talking about draining the swamp, statement, taken fire among his supporters and what he'd be talks about at ttal talking about at the debate. >> he used gettysburg, though. >> he started that, what, more than a week ago, he could have been -- >> i think you're going to -- >> the teleprompter -- >> let's go back to 2008 and
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barack obama. talk about -- >> one at a time. >> the great entertainer in chief. i mean, i will give barack obama this, in 2008, he was the best campaigner, you know, bill clinton was good, barack obama was even better. and he was allowed to get people engaged. he got people to the polls. he got people inspired. and it wasn't because of talking policy. i think mr. trump might have watched him. might have watched people like bill clinton. it's all about engagement. people showing up to the polls. >> obama -- >> we know barack obama and bill clinton and donald trump is neither of them. he's not -- >> that's a good thing. >> no, he's not -- >> he's got the energy. >> he's not able to engage voters. >> we have to pause it there. crunchtime on the campaign trail for both. i'll talk to rnc chief strategist sean splicer about the headwinds trump is facing.
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just 15 days to go. the final stretch for hillary clinton, donald trump, as we said tonight a new cnn/orc poll -- oather polls show clinton with bigger national leads. today in florida trump dismissed those numbers, said he thinks he's winning.
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i talked to sean spicer for the rnc just before we went to air. sean, you've seen the results of the new cnn poll. trump trails by five points. he said today at a rally he thinks he's winning. do you believe he's winning? >> i think when you look at the battleground states whether it's florida, iowa, ohio, where it matters, we're winning. we have a path to 270 that's going to put him in the white house come november 8th. again, i think the other thing, anderson, you look at states where we can start to see evidence of that. florida we're up over the democrats in the early votes. not just the absentee ballots requested, then returned. same thing in iowa. and in places, excuse me, like iowa and north carolina -- in iowa, excuse me, in places like iowa and ohio where traditionally we don't do as well as early votes, you see actually a consolidation of where we've been in the past. it's a much closer race for us. we do so well there on election day. >> but, i mean, you know, we just had john king explain the electoral map.
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even if trump wins all the states that cnn currently has as tossups, he still comes up short of 270. so i mean, you're looking -- you say you're looking at early -- >> right, no. if you take florida, ohio, nevada, iowa, north carolina, and then add in new hampshire and maine, too, areas we're doing well in, that gets us over the 270 mark. >> i think new hampshire, though, i think even maine in real clear politics, a poll of polls, shows clinton in the lead. and also in florida. >> again, some of these places, there's not one of those states that's not in the margin of error. we feel good about our data, where we are, and voter targeting. the early vote, ann absentee vote requests and our ground game. i get with all due respect to the polls i know where we are data wise. we feel very good. >> this morning trump tweeted "major story the dems are making up phony polls in order to suppress the trump. we're going it to win." do you -- can you point to which polls and which democrats he's referring to?
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>> abc showing a 12-point race. that's by far an outlier. the demographics that make up -- >> that's not necessarily a phony -- >> the phony polls are online polls donald trump always seems to be referencing. even the rasmussen poll isn't something we would use. >> okay, again, you get to make that decision. i think when you look at the ma rasmussen poll and ibd poll, the ibd poll was the most accurate poll going back a couple cycles. i get you might not like it but it's been one of the most accurate polls going forward. >> for clarificatioclarificatio use it because they don't reveal their methodology and the rasmussen poll uses a combination of online polling and telephone polling. >> right. i understand that, but i'm not saying that you have to accept it, but it doesn't make it phony. >> just today donald trump said in response to an adult film actress who says he grabbed and
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kissed her, offered her money to go to his hotel room. "oh, i'm sure she's never been grabbed before." >> i really don't. the idea today we saw terry mcauliffe, one of clinton's strongest allies allegedly -- not allegedly, helped steer $500,000 in campaign contributions to the wife of the person who ran the fbi investigation of hillary clin n clinton. i'm somewhat shocked they're not getting the level of attenti attention -- >> he did give the money before the guy was assigned to that case. >> he was the number three at the fbi at the time. yes, he became number two but the idea that that doesn't seem like a huge impropriety is a little -- the idea that people are sort of helping to make the excuses for. it's hillary clinton that should have to answer for that. it's terry mcauliffe. the media shouldn't be sort of making excuses for when certain things happen. they should be asking the tough questions as they do every day of the trump campaign. >> all right. sean spicer, good to talk to you
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as always. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. and our interview, complete interview with sean can be seen online at ahead, more on donald trump's appetite for suing people or threatening to. we'll look at why trump's threat to sue "the new york times" over its reporting on sexual assault allegations is likely going to remain just that, a threat and no more. we'll be right back. romantic moments can happen spontaneously, so why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use,
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as we reported during a speech in pennsylvania over the weekend, donald trump went off script and spent a good amount of time attacking women who've accused him of sexual assault threatening once again to take them to court. >> every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign. total fabrication. the events never happened. never. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. it was probably the dnc and the clinton campaign that put forward these liars with their fabricated stories, but we'll find out about their involvement at a later date through litigation. and i look so forward to doing
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it. >> well, trump is also threatening or there were reports he was going to sue "the new york times" over its reporting on sexual assault allegations he's facing. none of this is actually surprising giving trump's long history of threatening to sue people who say things about him he doesn't like. "usa today" wrote a strong piece about his propensity to sue. "the presidential candidate threatened a rapper, documentary filmmakers, palm beach civic clucks newsletter and better business bureau for lowering its rating of trump university. vowed to sue multiple news organizations including "the new york times," "wall street journal," "washington post," "usa today," didn't follow through with any of those." randi kaye tonight reports. >> no papers more corrupt than the failing "new york times." good news it is failing, it won't be around too much longer, but they are really, really bad people. >> reporter: donald trump tearing into "the new york times" for its reporting on women accusing trump of touching them inappropriately.
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trump's team called the article reckless and defamatory and demanded a retraction and an apology. failure to comply, trump's lawyer warned, would leave trump no choice but to pursue all available actions and remedies. the candidate has made it sound like a lawsuit is imminent. >> it will be part of the lawsuit we are preparing against them. >> reporter: if trump's lawyers do sue "the new york times," don't expect the paper to request the lawsuit be dismissed. it may be exactly what t"the ne york times" wants. in response to trump's lawyer, an attorney for "the times" shot back, "if mr. trump disagrees w wing the opportunity to have a court set him straight." read between the lines and "the new york times" seems to be saying, bring it on. donald trump in a court of law under oath answering all kinds of embarrassing questions about his sex life and his behavior with women. it's a process called discovery and in the end could provide a treasure-trove of stories. that is if trump tells the
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truth. the "washington post" found when trump was deposed back in 2007 for a lawsuit he filed against a "new york times" reporter, trump lied as many as 30 times. if a lawsuit is filed in this latest case involving his accusers, legal experts say it wouldn't just be donald trump facing questions. ivanka, the rest of his children and maybe even his ex-wives could be deposed. not to mention, the growing list of women who now say trump kissed them or put his hand up their skirt without consent. the republican nominee continues to suggest he's been a victim of libel. what's still unclear is if trump realizes how much a lawsuit could expose about his business and personal life. >> these false attacks are absolutely hurtful. to be lied about, to be slandered, to be smeared so publicly, and before your family that you love is very painful. >> reporter: painful, but with a lawsuit, the burden would be on
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donald trump to prove all the claims against him are false. randi kaye, cnn, florida. lot to discuss. joining me now, senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin. trump's claim that he's going to sue the women who have made accusations against him, that he's going to sue all of them, how hard is a case like that? >> it's very hard in the united states for any sort of public figure to win a libel or defamation case because he'd have to show one of two things. he'd have to show what's called -- he'd have to show either that the person who made the accusation or the newspaper knew it was false when they made it, or showed reckless disregard for whether it was true. now, reckless disregard means you made no effort to check it out and certainly when it comes to the "the new york times," they obviously made a greet deal of effort to check out every story they wrote about trump, so it really does seem literally impossible for him to win a lawsuit against "the new york times." it is, perhaps, somewhat more
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possible against these women, but as randi pointed out in her story, if she were to bring such a lawsuit, his whole personal life would be open in discovery process. >> so in discovery. that means "the times" or these women's attorneys could essentially depose him about his entire history. his entire sexual history, everything. >> and, of course, the "access hollywood" tape would come in where he admitted making unwanted sexual advances. virtually sexual assaults on women which would be argued on the part of these defendants was proof that he had a propensity for doing this which would certainly help their case. >> over the weekend also, trump made the argument that essentially the press in the united states can say whatever they want and that he want, you know, libel and slander laws to look more like they do in the united kingdom where it's easier for people to get convictions. >> it is. it's different in several important ways. the most important way is that
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in the united states, the plaintiff has the burden of showing that the story is false. in great britain, the publisher, the news organization, has the burden of showing that it's true. also what's different is that the loser pays the winner's attorneys fees. so it really raises the stakes for both sides. here, everybody pays their own attorney fees regardless of what happens, but the press is in a much more vulnerable position in great britain. >> is it just that the story is false or there has to be malice involved in the u.s.? >> in the u.s., no, i mean, they don't -- actual malice is a somewhat misleading term. it doesn't mean, like, hate. >> okay. >> it does mean a kind of recklessness. >> a reckless disregard. they didn't research it, they didn't look -- >> they didn't try. they didn't make any effort to check it out. usually what satisfies the actual malice standard is if you go to the subject of the story and say, is this true, will you respond to the allegations? clearly, "the new york times"
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did this. all the newspapers and news organizations that have written about trump have gone to him for comment and that, alone, basically eliminates the possibility that trump could ever win one of these cases. >> any reporter can show the steps they went to to try to verify a story. whether or not there was actual verification, at least having made the effort is enough. >> this is one of the key differences between the united states and great britain. in great britain, that's not good enough to show you made a good faith effort to check it out. you can still lose a libel case in great britain. in united states if you the reporter show the steps you went through, show you made an effort to get comment, to check it out, you win. >> i see. >> and the other point he said several times is that he wants to change libel law in the united states. >> right. >> that's something the supreme court has done. starting in the 1964 case, "the new york times" against sullivan. i mean, these are laws that are set by the courts. not by the president. so barack obama, hillary clinton, donald trump, nobody
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can -- no president can -- >> change it. >> only the courts. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks very much. coming up, at home with kellyanne conway. dana bash asks her how she feels about the candidate, and how he behaves on twitter. ggressive environment. we're not passive aggressive. hey, hey, hey, there are no bad suggestions here... no matter how lame they are. well said, ann. i've always admired how you just say what's in your head, without thinking. very brave. good point ted. you're living proof that looks aren't everything. thank you. welcome. so, fedex helped simplify our e-commerce business and this is not a passive aggressive environment. i just wanted to say, you guys are doing a great job. what's that supposed to mean? fedex. helping small business simplify e-commerce. (announcer vo) the new pixel phone by google. only on verizon. okay, google, show me korean restaurants in boulder? (google assistant) i found a few places. (announcer vo) the only network than can power the first phone with the new google assistant, unlimited photo storage, and a stunning vr experience. how is this possible?
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well, you've been watching this election closely, you've seen her on tv plenty of times. kellyanne conway is a pundit. you've heard about trump's refusal to release his taxes, and how in her words, at the time, built his business on the backs of the little guys. now he defend him on a daily basis, even when the going gets very, very tough. our chief political correspondent, dana bash, spent time with kellyanne conway at her home. take a look. >> reporter: morning at the conways. >> sweetheart, how's this? and which jacket? >> reporter: scrambling to get the kids ready for school. familiar chaos for any parent, though kellyanne conway is not any parent. >> kellyanne conway bluntly acknowledging the uphill climb. >> reporter: the mother of four young children is donald trump's campaign manager. on tv so much, explaining and defending her boss, "saturday night live" dedicated an entire bit to imagining her day off.
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>> this is so weird. this is exactly the way the "snl" house looked. >> where's "walking on sunshine"? >> in my head. >> the pancakes are true to life. >> reporter: these days her mother, who moved in to help, makes the pancakes. conway's only been on the job since august. trump's third campaign manager, but the first woman ever to run a gop presidential race. >> i wasn't hired because of my gender, but it's a special responsibility. >> reporter: and often a difficult one. like this weekend, when trump went offscript, attacking the women who say he groped them. >> all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> do you just tear your hair out when you hear him say that? >> it's his campaign and candidacy and he has to feel comfortable with his voice. >> you're the campaign manager. do you feel comfortable with him saying that? >> i think trump is at his best when he talks about the issues.
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>> reporter: translation, going off-message hurts his campaign. conway insists she's tough on him in private. >> i don't sugar coat it at all. >> give me an example miami donald trump and you're kellyanne conway and i say something that really makes you mad -- >> i told him yesterday, on the plane, you and i are going to fight for the next 17 days. and he said, why? and i said, because i know you're going to win. and that comment you just made sounds like you think you're going to lose. and we're going to argue about it until you win. >> and what's his response? >> he said, okay, honey, then we'll win. >> reporter: for a time after conway took over, trump was disciplined, but not anymore. especially on twitter. >> literally, people will seriously say, can't you delete his twitter app? >> that was actually one of my questions. >> of course. it's not for me to take away a grown man's twitter account. >> and i moved on her very heavily. >> reporter: when tape from 2005 came out of trump describing lewd behavior, conway canceled sunday tv appearances, but still helped with damage control. >> i felt like rapunzel in the
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tower all weekend. and i told mr. trump in private what i've also said in public or a variation thereof. i found the comments to be horrible and indefensible. and he didn't ask anybody to defend them, by the way. >> did you consider quitting? >> i did not. >> reporter: she said she thought his apology was earnest. >> the women who have now come forward and said, it's not just talk. donald trump groped me. do you believe them? >> i believe -- donald trump has told me and his family and the rest of america now that none of this is true, these are lies and fabrications. they're all made up. and i think that it's not for me to judge what those women believe. i have not talked to them. i've talked to him. >> reporter: she was raised in new jersey by a single mom, aunts, and grandmother, all women, as a political pollster, she chose to work in what she calls a man's world, especially as a republican. she recalled a potential client, a man, asking how she'd balance kids and work. >> it was just like, i hope you
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ask all the male consultants, are you going to give up your wicked golf game and your mistresses, because they seem really, really busy, too. >> reporter: still, like most working moms, time with her kids is precious. the question is whether she'll have more time in two weeks, after election day. when she was hired the august, she told trump he was losing, but still could win. >> do you think at this point, it is still possible to win? >> it is still possible to win. >> probable? >> i think that we have got a very good chance of winning. >> and dana bash joins me now. what a lot of peel say about kellyanne conway, is that she is an expert on speaking to women voters and that's always been sort of her calling card. it's got to be a -- i don't know what the adjective would be, but it's an interesting position she now finds herself in. >> frustration, and i think maybe the ultimate irony that she is a pollster, but she has sort of found a niche in not just working for political
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operatives or political campaigns and candidates, but for corporate america, explaining, using her experience and in data, explaining how to reach women, that she is working for a candidate, who has such a deficit with women. i asked her that question. and her answer was, well, in this stage of the game, it's too late. and i said, you mean, you should have been hired earlier? and she said, no, no, i don't mean that. but when she goes in and talks to clients, not donald trump, and corporate leaders who are not donald trump, she says she has like sort of a long-term explanation for how to talk to women. and that's certainly not a playbook she can follow when she's the donald trump's campaign manager. >> fascinating. i can't believe the staircase is the exact same in that "saturday night live" skit. >> i said to her, did they come in her and scout that out? and she said no. >> and i like her kids like "hamilton." >> coming up, donald trump, as you've seen, said he's going to sue the women who came forward and said he allegedly groped them.
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we'll talk to someone who knows what it's like to be sued by donald trump, a former miss usa pageant who said the pageant was rigged and was sued for $10 million. she lost her lawsuit -- donald trump won the lawsuit against her. i speak with her in the next hour of "360." oh no, that looks gross whoa, twhat is that? try it. you gotta try it, it's terrible. i don't wanna try it if it's terrible. it's like mango chutney and burnt hair. no thank you, i have a very sensitive palate. just try it! guys, i think we should hurry up.
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