women vote. >> affordable health care is no longer affordable. it's only getting worse. >> the brand of politics hillary represents, it's not something that goes in 140 characters. >> losing our jobs like a bunch of babies. >> he shouldn't be a role model for our kids or for anybody else. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day," this tuesday, october 25th, 8:00 in the east. election day is exactly two weeks away. >> sport night. >> there you go. how many times can we use it today? a new cnn/orc national poll shows hillary clinton leading donald trump by 5 points, 59 to 4%. donald trump says he's winning. >> added to the rigged list. clinton, other side of the ball, has her own challenges. obamacare premiums are going to soar by double digits in the next year now. what is that going to mean for
the race? how does she own this? how does she argue that somehow she's the right agent for change and right now you have both campaigns heavily concentrated in florida each needs those 29 electoral votes. let's begin the coverage with cnn's jason carroll in florida in miami. jason? >> reporter: and hello to you, chris. early voting underway here in the state of florida. polls showing that donald trump trailing behind hillary clinton, but the trump camp dismissing the polling techniques. trump himself telling all of his supporters not to believe in those polls showing him being behind. donald trump on the defensive. >> i believe we're actually winning. >> reporter: trump flat out denying he is behind in the polls as he blazes through the battleground state of florida. >> they are phony polls put out by phony media. >> reporter: just hours before hitting the trail, trump did admit he's lagging. >> reporte >> i guess i'm somewhat behind in the polls but not by much.
>> reporter: with two weeks until election day a new cnn/orc poll shows clinton up by 5%. >> if you look at her plans for syria, these are the plans of a child. these are the plans of a person that doesn't know what she's doing. >> reporter: the media -- >> the media isn't just against me, they're against all of you. >> reporter: and the 11 women accusing him of unwanted advances. >> they were made up. i don't know these women. >> reporter: trump raising eyebrows over his comments about jessica drake, an adult film performer who alleges he grabbed and kissed her without permission in 2006. >> this one that came out recently, he grabbed me and he grabbed me on the arm. i'm sure she's never been grabbed before. >> reporter: this as clinton works to seal a win in new hampshire campaigning with liberal favorite, senator elizabeth warren. >> i'm with her. are you with her? >> reporter: both wasting no time hitting the gop nominee.
>> this is someone who roots for failure and takes glee in mocking our country no matter who our president is. now that may be who donald trump is, but this election is about who we are. >> reporter: warren capitalizing on trump's nasty woman comment on clinton from the last debate. >> he thinks that because he has a mouth full of tic tacs that he can force himself on any woman within groping distance. i've got news for you, donald trump, women have had it with guys like you. and nasty women have really had it with guys like you. nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart. and nasty women vote. >> reporter: president obama joining the democratic trump takedown on jimmy kimmel. >> what i don't do is like at 3:00 a.m., i don't tweet
about -- >> you don't tweet? >> -- people who insulted me. >> you watch donald trump. do you ever laugh? do you ever actually laugh? >> most of the time. >> most of the time. >> reporter: both candidates making a heavy play for the state of florida. trump has two more stops here today. clinton has one more today and two more tomorrow. chris? >> all right. thank you very much, jason. appreciate it. donald trump and republicans blasting democrats after news that obamacare premiums will soar next year. trump declaring, quote, it's over for the aca, the a fordable care act. the plan's defenders insist most consumers will not feel the crunch. that gets us into a little bit of a spin game. we've got cnn's athena jones to unspin from the white house, the house of spin. >> reporter: good morning, chris. it could be sticker shock for millions of people. that's because the premiums for the benchmark silver plan, that's the mid-level plan, are
set to rise 25% on average on the federal exchanges. that's healthcare.gov. that's compared to a rise of 7.2% last year. now the government says that since the vast majority of people get a subsidy that helps reduce the cost of their premiums, they're not going to feel this in their pocketbooks. the department of health and human services says that 77% of people are going to be able to find a plan that costs them $100 or less a month. and to be clear, this 25% is an average. so it's going to vary from state to state. so you have a state like arizona which had the lowest premium last year, customers there are going to see an average increase of over 100%, but in indiana the cost of premiums is going to go down by 3% so it will be 3% cheaper. so what's causing this big jump in rates? one, enrollees are sicker and costlier than expected. not enough young and healthy people are signing up.
insurers priced their plans too low and there's less of a competition in the marketplace so less options. obamacare has been under fire from the very beginning so this news about this big jump in premiums is just more fodder for the plan's many, many critics. we know that health care is something that's important to voters. 50% of voters told us in our latest cnn/orc poll that it was an important part of their vote, and that number is higher for hillary clinton supporters. it was at 53%. we know this is going to come up on the campaign trail. it already has from donald trump. hillary clinton has to address this. >> athena, thank you for addressing that. with us to discuss the campaign, shawn spicer. >> good morning. >> how do you feel this morning? >> i feel good. >> you do? >> a little skip in the air, ready to go. >> you're feeling the optimism that the trump campaign seems to be feeling as well? >> i do. i do. you look at the numbers where we
are in terms of the early vote, absentee ballots, it gives us optimism in florida, ohio, nevada, iowa. in each of those cases we're seeing a lot of optimism not just in terms of what our absentee ballot request and return is, but where the democrats are. they're down in almost every one of those areas vis-a-vis where they were in 2012. that enthusiasm gap that we hear about in terms of secretary clinton, young voters, minority voters, it's starting to show up. >> i get it. so the metric you guys are using is absentee ballot requests and returns? >> no. at some point you do have to look at where you were in 2012. so it's not just one thing. we have an unbelievable set of data in each one of those states. we have voter scores for 197 million voters. we know where voters are in terms of the process. do they vote early? do they vote on election day? republicans generally vote on election day. democrats need to do well so we look at where we were in 2012 and where they were in 2012 and in almost every case we're ahead of where we were in 2012 and
they are below where they were in 2012. >> let's look at the polls because i think it's interesting how different the trump camp sees it than the hillary camp. let me put up what cnn thinks are the swing states. right now today the swing states according to cnn are arizona, utah, north carolina and ohio. this is our map, the yellow. >> right. i would argue that arizona and utah are not swing states. we're very confident in them. we've shored them up and so, you know, i would dispute that right off the top. >> now let's look at what trump's electoral map are and where he thinks the swing states are. nevada, colorado, iowa, wisconsin, michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, virginia, north carolina, florida, new hampshire, and maine. those are the yellow states. >> particularly maine, too, just to be clear. maine has a little bit of reach. maine, too, that second congressional district, maine and nebraska are the two states that divide their electoral votes by congressional district. we feel very good about maine, too. >> why do you feel very good
about maine when clinton is up 3 points? >> you can be up in one part of the state and down in another. there's different pockets. we feel when you look at maine, too, you can do well in upstate new york and not do well in the city. i mean, there's a different makeup in different parts of the state. >> in that part of the state you're going to get the electoral votes you think you need. let's look at florida. hillary clinton is up there. you think you're going to win florida? >> we're leading in absentee ballots returned. close to 1 million so far. as we head into the early vote piece of it, not just the absentee ballot, we feel very good about the number of republicans that are either voting in person or have requested and returned an absentee ballot. you look where the democrats are. that's the best sign. polls are great. they give you a guide post. they tell you where you're headed but at the end of the day as we all know, votes are what win an election. >> nevada, you're feeling good about nevada?
>> i am. you think about it, it's a state that obama carried. >> where we are electorally, the dems are down 3,000 votes. >> in terms of requests of absentee votes. >> and republicans are up. again, polls are a sample size. you take 4, 500 people in a state and get an idea where they are. when you can start to look at who's returning a ballot, that's what counts. the other thing that the polls show is an enthusiasm gap for hillary clinton and an excitement for the movement that donald trump requests. >> you know, back in 2012 mitt romney's team, as you know, famously got it wrong. so much so that on election night they were stunned. i mean, according to reports from inside the room, that they had expected to win. their data, whatever it was they were looking at, told them that mitt romney was going to win. are you sure that the republican
party has fixed those metrics, whatever they were looking at? >> absolutely. we know where the state of the race is. again, we have 14 days to go. so what we've got to see is a continuation of the momentum break our way. we started to see that in the last couple of weeks, not just nationally but in key battleground states. so you can -- you can have the best data in the world and lose. you can have the worst data in the world and win, but i think we feel very confident about our handle as far as where the race is, what we need to do going into those final days. >> let's talk about what you need to do in those final days because the ground game there's also a discrepancy in terms of how many staffers are on the ground in those key states. we have a graphic we can look at. she quadruples you in some of these. look at florida. look at pennsylvania, 62. >> that's not accurate. >> what is? >> we've got over 6,000 staffers on the ground in 13 states. so there is -- we have trained organizers that are putting in 40, 50 hours a week that have actual metrics, but at the end of the day this goes back to the
idea of polls versus votes. voter contact versus offices. when you actually talk about the metric, how many voters are we contacting? how many are we turning out? it shows up. again, the data doesn't lie. >> wait a second. >> hold on. what matters is how many people are returning an absentee ballot. how many are early voting. >> ours are up and ours are down. >> you have a fraction of the number that the clinton team has on election day. >> i would dispute those numbers 100%. when you look at the number of people that we have both paid and unpaid that are committed on a full-time basis to getting out, knocking on doors on a daily basis, we have the most sophisticated ground game bar none. >> you do? that's important what you said. you have a more sophisticated ground game than hillary clinton who's been at it much longer. >> no, she hasn't. that's not true. we've been in the field for three years. we've had staffers in the field. we've documented it. the problem is they went and hired a lot of people in the last couple of months. we've been out there touting our ground game since 2013.
the number of people that have been in those states knocking on doors, making persuasion, voter registration. we've had people in all of those states going back four years. i get that they just showed up and hired a bunch of people to do hourly work. we've been there for four years making voter contact. here's the important point, alisyn. does it translate into votes? the earliest indicators are trending our way. the democrats are down. republicans are up. they can talk about the number of offices all day long, but at the end of the day the number of people who are requesting an absentee ballot, who are returning that ballot and who are voting early are favoring us. >> but you're not going to win in absentee ballots. you're going to win on election day. >> absolutely. republicans do better on election day. we've always lagged behind. democrats have always done better on early vote. what you're seeing in this cycle is we're catching up to them. they're not doing as well as they have in the past and they have an enthusiasm gap. i'll give you an example, in north carolina barack obama had a 300,000 vote lead going in in
2012 and lost on election day. mitt romney carried it. they have to do tremendously well in a lot of these states, ohio, iowa. they need to be winning not just by a little, by a lot. when we cut into that lead and when they don't do as well that portends very well for us on election day. >> no enthusiasm gap here, shawn spice ser. >> no. >> thank you very much for all the energy and breaking it down. >> my head is spinning from that spicer interview. we do have breaking news to talk about this morning. there has been a shooting at a freight car america in roanoke, virginia. that's where this happened in roanoke, virginia. two people are dead, two to three others are hurt. police say the shooter is one of the people who is dead. it's over but not yet fully
understood. >> a black high school football player was attacked by at least one white teammate who put a noose around his neck. the school's head football coach said there was only one assailant who was kicked off the team. the local sheriff is investigating this incident. take a look at this video. you know what that is? >> no. >> that is a man chasing his car on a busy highway in switzerland. that's what they do there it turns out. no, this was a rogue incident. >> oh, no. >> he was stopped on the side of the road to talk to somebody and the car starts to roll away and he winds up chasing it. people luckily slow down, bangs into that sign and he's able to get it. turns out the man forgot to put on the emergency brake when he pulled over and hopped out of his car. he's not hurt but may face charges. can you imagine that this actually happens and you're able to recover the car, right? i don't know -- >> i don't care about the car. the man -- nobody was hurt. look at this. look at all of the things --
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just in case you haven't heard, we're winning not only florida, but we're going to win the whole thing. >> all right. despite trailing clinton in just about every poll, donald trump says he's going to win pulling off the greatest comeback in election history. that's what it would be. joining us is dnc secretary, mayor of baltimore, stephanie rollings blake. mayor, your constituents come to you today and say even though we have an exchange and we've expanded medicaid, my costs are going up on obamacare. i don't like it. i need it to change. having it with trump because a democrat's not going to change what a democrat created. what do you say? >> well, i think that's just ludicrous. the fact is that secretary clinton understands that this is a good system that needs to be
tweaked and it needs to be fixed. donald trump wants to scrap the whole thing and doesn't have a plan for what to do -- what to do next. no one's going to come to me and say that. we know that there was a time when people could not get health insurance, that being a woman was a pre-existing condition and nobody wants to go back to that. do we have things that need to be fixed in obamacare? absolutely so. but it would be helpful if there was -- republican governors would get on board and help us to make obamacare affordable. they're putting up roadblocks at every turn. so what i'm hearing from people is the opposite. they're not going with trump and instead they're voting early. i was in florida yesterday where people were saying they didn't want to risk being sick on election day. they didn't want to risk something happening on election day. they wanted their votes to be in the bank for secretary clinton because they were fearful of what this country would be like under a trump administration.
>> quick side point and then i'm going to come back on you on the obamacare argument. when you were in florida is it true, in your experience, that african-american communities, when they heard about poll monitoring, when that word started to spread on the internet and elsewhere, it did play in a specific way to african-american voters that that is somewhat driving early voting. have you experienced that at all or is that just up in the air? >> what i saw when i talked to african-american voters in florida is they hear the polls, they're not swayed by the polls. they know that we've experienced in our culture where people are saying that they're going to support one person and then they get in the polls and do something else. they understand it is critical for everyone in our community to come out to the polls. they don't want to live in a divided america. they want hope and optimism
about our country's future. the only way many people feel we're going to get that is with a candidate who believes in the greatness of our country now and wants to work to make it better. >> the concern was poll monitoring, people showing up there can smack intimidation. >> absolutely. >> plays to the sensitivity of the african-american community. back to obamacare. trump says, i'm he going to fix it. i have a plan where i'm going to repeal this, i'm going to make it more cost competitive, make it easy for you to transfer across state lines. paul ryan says the same thing, that they have a plan that will make it better than the current. why go with clinton when you could have something better? >> they don't have a plan. saying you have a plan and having an actual plan are two different things. what we've seen with donald trump time and time again is he has these magical secret fixes to all the world's problems. the challenge is when you actually call him out on it and ask him for these plans, these policies that he believes in, all he gives you is rhetoric and stump speeches. >> so specific to being the mayor of a big city like
baltimore and you do have big communities of color there, a lot of diversity, they come to you and they say, you know, i'm listening to this campaign and you democrats have been in control a really long time here. my life is nowhere near what i want it to be. i may not be getting shot every time i go down the street the way trump says, but that's an exaggeration. my reality is not as good as i want. democrats have been in charge. i'm going the other way. what do you say? >> well, i would say to them i apologize for the fact that, you know, they're even considering believing the hogwash that the republicans are peddling. they're trying to -- the republicans are trying to blame all the world's problems on the democratic leaders when republicans have systematically through congress dialed back investments in american cities. when the problems evolve because of the lack of resources, they blame democrats. it just doesn't work like that.
people are smarter than that. we know that there is a -- when you look at the republican -- when you look at the republican party, all you have to do is look at a rally. trump's priorities and his focus is evident in every rally that you go to. if you look at the republican convention, you couldn't find diversity there. not in one state. not in one section. we're not going to be fooled by this rhetoric. what do we have to lose? what have we got to lose? everything. we're not going to gamble on a person who probably couldn't name ten people of color that are close to him. this is not the america that we believe is possible. again, secretary clinton thinks that we're stronger together and i, like her, believe that. >> mayor stephanie rawlings-blake, thank you for joining us this morning. alisyn. 14 days until election day. voters are already making their voice heard. what do we really know about who hasn't early voted?
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mentioned this. there's two weeks until election day, but millions of people are already voting. we just heard from the rnc chief strategist shawn spicer who said the early results are looking good for donald trump. listen to this. >> we have the most sophisticated ground game bar none. >> you do? hold on. that's important what you just said. you have a more sophisticated ground game than hillary clinton who's been at it much longer. >> no, she hasn't. that's false. that's not true. we've been in the field now for three years. we've had staffers in the field. we've documented it. the problem is they went and hired a lot of people in the last couple of months. they'll say, hey, we have a huge ground game. we've been touting our ground game since 2013. >> who has the advantage? let's get to the bottom line with cnn politics executive director mark preston. great to see you again. shawn spicer was here, he made a few different points. the reason he has so much optimism for donald trump. their ground game is better. you heard that. the republicans have requested more absentee ballots and have returned more absentee ballots and all of those things make
them think that donald trump is sitting pretty. let's start with what he said about the ground game. are they more sophisticated than hillary clinton's ground game? >> no. i will say about the rnc that they have put in a ground game that began back in 2013, which was the autopsy of the republican party. how do we reach out to minority communities? dropping people into african-american communities, latino communities to get their support. the rnc is a stand alone. when you run a presidential campaign, not only do you have the national party but you have the presidential campaign bringing his or her operation and it comes together. the only thing that is sustaining the republican party right now is what the rnc had on the ground. the democrats on the other hand have a very sophisticated ground game, so to speak, but they have the dnc, democratic national committee and hillary clinton coming together. >> let me tell you, i know firsthand just because the party has people on the ground doesn't mean they're doing your bidding as a candidate. they play favorites. it's about the local political machines in those places, it's a patch work. theres a good suggestion that trump may not be getting all he
should be getting out of that party because they're not fully behind him. the idea who's doing better in early voting and absentee ballots. two very different dynamics. we do know the numbers of early voting. he wanted to talk about absentee ballots. here's his sound from shawn. >> you're going to win florida? >> again, let's look at it. we're leading in absentee ballots requested and rusheetur. we have 850,000 republicans that have requested ballots since 2012. that's close to 1 million. as we head into the early piece of it, not just the absentee ballots, we feel good about the number of republicans voting. >> early voting i thought was edged to the democrats. is that why he spun to the absentees? what do you see? >> depends what state you're talking about. >> florida. >> florida in particular, let's go back and look historically where they were eight years ago which is a comparable election. >> are you going to answer this or are you going to spin me away? >> i am spinning around in
circles and circles. in fact, in 2008 republicans had a 52-32% advantage over democrats when it came to early voting, absentee voting which is basically the same, right? right now republicans only have a 1 percentage point. what the democrats are saying based on their review, they have seen an uptick in latinos vote, 133,000 more latinos, which are democratic voters, they're doing that, and also absentee ballots for african-americans are up 30%. >> that's different than what he says. he says the republicans have requested 850,000 more than democrats. >> it all depends how you slice and dice the numbers. that might be right about what he has said, but we're talking about specific demographic groups right now that you're going to get to the polls. >> i don't know that i completely understand this. >> i don't know either. >> i want to talk about obama being the drunk guy at the bar, that's funny, from jimmy kimmel. >> because that's funny. >> do they believe their turnout
and their requests for ballots is more robust but that relatively, relatively they're not gaining ground on the democrats? is that what you're trying to say? >> right. absolutely. they had an advantage in 2008, a very big advantage. they don't have quite that advantage. but in florida to your point of a question to bring it full circle, in florida you're fg to get more democrats out to the polls on election day than republicans to the polls. the reason being, a lot of absentee ballots. military in florida. a lot of these folks are deployed. a lot of these people living in virginia, new york, wherever they're stationed. state of residency is florida. >> you're assuming. >> historical data. correct. >> do you want to get to the drunk guy at the bar? >> yeah. although latinos you can't put them all in the same basket, no pun intended. cubans are very conservative people. >> older cubans, absolutely. younger cubans -- >> with that caveat, let's move on. >> now can we get to the drunk guy at the bar?
>> did you say trump guy or drunk guy? >> unusual for an exiting president. >> i'm like the old guy at the bar, you know, where you went to high school. >> yeah, exactly. >> just kind of hanging around. it's like shirts a little too long. still thinks he's cool. >> that's one of your friends you're going to be hanging out. >> yeah, me and that guy at the capitol hill bar revving corvettes. >> can you button a shirt too low? is that a thing. >> you don't think so. i'm an italian guy from queens. that's what you're supposed to do. >> he's like matthew mcconaughey in "dazed and confused." >> that guy. >> he has to be feeling good about himself. if the election goes the wrong way, everything changes. right now he must be feeling like he's going out on a high. >> he's going out with an approval rating 52, 53%. >> we have a higher approval rating. >> although the obamacare ratings are not a good way. >> good spin on that. you avoided that, preston.
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california's schools. woman: vote yes on prop 55 to help our children thrive. well, you know her as donald trump's campaign manager, but now we're getting an inside look at kellyanne conway's life. what is it like being the first woman to manage a republican presidential campaign? dana bash has the story. you spent some time with her? >> reporter: i did. and, you know, it looked very familiar to you as a working mom. it certainly did to me. the question is how she does it. she has a lot of help and she admits that she's lucky that she can. so many people, alisyn, are fascinated by her, how she comes on this network and others constantly to defend and explain her boss. people wanted to know, what is she really like? she invited us to her home in new jersey so we could find out.
morning on the conway residence. >> which jacket? >> scrambling to get the kids ready for school. familiar chaos for any parent though kellyanne conway is not any parent. >> kellyanne conway acknowledging the uphill climb. >> the mother of four young children is donald trump's campaign manager. on tv so much explaining and defending her boss, sat night live dedicated an entire bit to imagining her day off. >> this is so weird. this is exactly the way the snl house looked. >> where's "walking on sunshine." >> in my head. the pancakes are true to life. >> these days, her mother who moved in to help, makes the pancakes. conway's only been on the job since august. trump's third campaign manager, but the first woman ever to run a gop presidential race. >> i wasn't hired because of my gender. but it's a special responsibility.
>> reporter: and often a difficult one, like this weekend when trump went off script attacking the women who say he groped them. >> all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> reporter: did you just tear your hair out when you hear him say that? >> it's his campaign and his candidacy. >> reporter: you're the campaign manager, do you feel uncomfortable with that? >> i think donald trump is at his very best, at his very best when he talks about the issues. >> reporter: translation, going off message hurts his campaign. conway insists she's tough on trump in private. >> i don't sugar coat it at all. >> reporter: give me an example. i'm donald trump, you're kellyanne conway. i say something that really makes you mad. >> i told him yesterday on the plane, you and i are going to fight for the next 17 days. he said, why? i said, because i know you're going to win and that comment you just made sounds like you think you're going to lose. we're going to argue about it until you win. >> reporter: what's his response? >> okay, honey, then we'll win. >> reporter: for a time after
conway took over trump was disciplined, but not anymore, especially on twitter. >> literally people will seriously say, can't you delete his twitter app. >> reporter: that was one of my questions. >> not for me to take away a grown man's twitter account. >> and i moved on her very heavily. >> reporter: when tape from 2005 came out of trump describing lewd behavior, conway canceled sunday tv appearances but still helped with damage control. >> and i felt like rapunzel in the tower all weekend. and i told mr. trump in private what i've also said in public or a variation thereof. i found the comments to be horrible and indefensible. he didn't ask anybody to defend him, by the way. >> reporter: did you consider quitting? >> i did not. >> reporter: she said she thought his apology was earnest. the women who have come forward and said, it's not just talk, donald trump groped me, do you believe them? >> i believe -- donald trump has told me and his family and the rest of america now that nub of this is true, these are lies and
fabrications, they're all made up, and i think that it's not for me to judge what those women believe. i have not talked to them. i've talked to him. >> reporter: she was raised in new jersey by a single mom, aunts and grandmother. all women. as a political pollster she chose to work in what she calls a man's world, especially as a republican. she recalled a potential client, a man, asking how she balanced kids and work. >> it's just like i hope you ask all the male consultants are you going to give up your wicked golf game and miss stresses? because they seem really, really busy, too. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: still, like most working moms, time with her kids is precious. >> how about "hamilton." >> reporter: the question is whether she'll have more time in two weeks after election day. she was hired in august. she told trump he was losing but could still win. >> reporter: do you think at this point it is still possible to win? >> it is still possible to win? >> reporter: probable?
>> i think we have a very good chance of winning. >> fascinating insight into who she is and her life. donald trump has run such an unconventional campaign. does she have a conventional campaign manager role? >> no. and would you expect anything different? she doesn't. she doesn't do a lot of the things that let's say robby mook does on the democratic side or her predecessors on the republican side have done. she is much more focused. she is focused on strategy and polling, of course. that's her expertise. she is a pollster and on getting the message out, but when it comes to behind the scenes, the budgeting, the how are we going to spend resources, coordinating with the republican national committee which is incredibly important because the trump campaign is relying so much on the rnc. that is the son-in-law, jared kushner, ivanka trump's husband. >> why is that? >> it's a role he has taken on. he is so involved. when it comes to the nuts and bolts of running the campaign,
that part of it i am told, he is the guy who is in charge. >> real interesting to see that profile of kellyanne conway, dana. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> chris. one of the reasons this matters so much is there are a lot of things that need to get done. we're dealing with them ourselves this morning. in particular what you're looking at on your screen right now. the pentagon says that thousands of u.s. soldiers need to repay their reenlistment bonuses because they screwed up. the military, not the men and women fighting for your rights. we're going to talk to a member of the house veterans affairs committee next. what's congress going to do about this? it's already been too long. fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums.
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for a powerful comeback. new expressmax caplets. thousands of soldiers are being ordered by the pentagon to repay millions in reenlistment bonuses given to them erroneously. it's a fancy word for wrongly, by the national guard during the iraq war. the california national guard released a statement claiming it does not have the authority to unilaterally waive these dekts. i can't get it out of my mouth it's so disgusting objectively. who's going to fix it? the department of defense, congress motivating the department of defense? let's discuss it. congressman mark tacano is the ranking member of the house veterans affairs committee. congressman, thank you very much for joining us this morning. let's start with giving the audience an appreciation for how we got here. how did the military decide that its screwup needed to be fixed
by taking back the bonuses? >> well, chris, mistakes and misconduct did occur at the california national guard. an extensive audit did uncover some wrongdoing and the wrongdoing parties were disciplined. there was a policy of a claw back for these improperly paid bonuses, but let's be clear that for the vast majority of these guardsmen who stepped forward and reupped, they reupped in good faith. i don't believe that they should be having to pay the price eight to continue years later for the mistakes and misconduct made by some of the people. >> here's the problem, congressmen. do you know the express in the law, equity of horrors is a forfeiture. it's one of the things you learn in law school, certain situations when they're wrong need to be made right.
this one smells on several levels. the first one is the d.o.d. had the authority to deal with these claw backs differently. they could have canceled them. they didn't need congress to get involved with this. i have to believe they knew that and didn't need you to cite usc code to them about variability. why do you think they chose to stick this to the fighting men and women instead of just owning the mistake themselves? >> chris, i can't speculate on what went on at the pentagon. what went on at various levels of the military. we've been trying to sort that out ever since this story was broken over the weekend. not clear whether or not -- we weren't clear whether the department -- whatever they say on urging the department of defense to cease its policy of
clawing about these bonus, get back in november, but they believe they can handle this on its own, they should. and i think members of congress i think would be pretty united in supporting the department of defense in addressing this in a much different way. these service members should not have to go through a lengthy appeals process. they should not -- and we need to repair the damage that's been done to those service members who have, you know, really sacrificed financially over the past two years. >> so you have two problems. one is it's not just about stopping the claw back, you have to figure out how to reimburse the people that you forced reimbursement from. now i'm saying you. you're going to say, no, it wasn't us. it's not us in congress. yeah, but here's why it is. you're the senior member of the veterans affairs committee. you're from california. how did you not know about this when it's been going on for years, congressman.
the people that alisyn has been talking to. this didn't happen last weekend, this didn't happen last week. this is years you've had to deal with and you haven't. how do you justify that? >> chris, there is not a single member of congress who wishes that we hadn't handled this sooner, myself included. >> but you didn't. i want to know why you didn't. what made you think, we can ignore this? >> we shouldn't ignore it. we should not have ignored it. the guard did come forward with a proposal. the proposal languished. i believe part of the reasons why it did languish is this philosophy of extreme austerity that comes over the congress. look, we have languished -- we've allowed zika funding to languish because of lack of an offset. my understanding is there was an initial congressional budget office ruling that this would be new spending, which makes no sense to me because this is money that's already been spent and that's -- that the department is trying to claw back. >> why didn't anybody fight for it then? they just don't fit into the same category as everybody else,
our veterans. everybody puts their ribbons on and says we support the troops, if you talk to the iava, any groups that represents veterans, they talk about stuff like this all the time. >> chris -- >> they don't care about us at home. this is an ugly example of that. >> chris, i completely agree. this -- our veterans should be right up there with emergency funding, such as zika or what's going on in flint. protecting our veterans from harm is certainly our top priority and they didn't get treated as our top priority. this is very regrettable, but i'm telling you that we need to get over any kind of austerity philosophy which says we need to find an off set even for this kind of -- this kind of financial decision that we've got to make in congress. we need to just settle this problem once and for all in the lame duck congress if, indeed, congress needs to act. but certainly at the department of defense has this completely within their authority, they need to stop the claw backs now
and we need to take a look back and redress -- redress the harm that was done to other service members. >> we're going to give everybody a chance to weigh in on their side of this as it evolves, but the obvious point is if they could have done it, they would have or should have done it already. we'll stay on this, congressman. i'll be checking with you right after the election to see what you're proposing to make this right. thank you for joining us, congressman. >> thank you for having me, chris. >> appreciate it. all right. a lot of bad stuff in the world so you know what we need. the good stuff and it's next. rf. perfect. no tickets. no accidents. that is until one of you clips a food truck ruining your perfect record. yup. now, you would think your insurance company would cut you some slack. right? no, your insurance rates go through the roof. your perfect record doesn't get you anything. anything. perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident.
swimming, splashing in the ocean like all kids should. the kids are taking part in a program called waves of impact. some have autism, others in wheelchairs, physical disabilities. when they're in the water that all vanishes, literally, right, because of buoyancy and psychologically. this is a group of people raising money to do the right thing for kids who need it a lot. >> the beach solves a lot of problems, i've always known that as a jersey girl. >> we should go now for the next two weeks. >> let's do that. time for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> that sounds good for me. you guys have a great day. >> you're invited. cool, i'll be right there. "newsroom" starts right now. >> bring the mixer. good morning. i'm carol costello. time is running short. donald trump is delivering an urgent message to supporters. numbers lie and so do the pollsters. sm