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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. the drama builds up. the presidential election now just two weeks from today. the candidates and their surrogates are scrambling to make either minute count. they're fanning out against key battleground states. donald trump and hillary clinton focusing on all important florida told.
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this as trump ceaseizes on a ne issue. a scathing report says obamacare premiums are going to take a big jump this coming year. it has become his battle cry. at least for told. we're covering all the developments for you on the campaign trail. let's begin, though, in miami beach, with jason carroll, good morning. >> good morning, carol. donald trump is going to keep driving home this point that a vote for hillary clinton would mean four more years of barack obama's policies. trump seizing on this latest development. that health insurance premiums are going to rise by some 25%. he spoke about that just a few moments ago. >> obamacare's just blowing up and even the white house, our president, announced 25% or 26%. that number is so wrong. that is such a phony number. you're talking about 60%, 70%, 80% in increases, not 25%.
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i think what he wanted to do because it was blowing up all over the country. the numbers came out in texas where it's 60% increases. other place, one state's going to be 92% i understand. pretty sad when you put out a 25% or 26% increase and that's supposed to be to keep it down. obamacare has to be repealed and replaced. and it has to be reeb plaplaced something much less expensive for the people. otherwise, this country's in even bigger trouble than anybody thought. we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. i can say all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with obamacare. you folks, this is another group, is that a correct statement? you look at what they're going through, what they're going through with their health care is horrible because of obamacare. we'll repeal it and replace it. >> and, carol, we should note that hillary clinton has said for her part that what she wants to do is keep what works with
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obamacare and fix what doesn't. you heard there from donald trump saying what he wants to do is repeal and replace it with something better. his critics say he's been lean on specifics about exactly what he would replace it with. carol. >> all right, jason carroll reporting live from miami beach. let's talk about obamacare. because there are tens of millions of people who have signed up for obamacare and if we repeal obamacare, those 21 million people are without insurance. so what do we do? go back to the drawing board? cnn's chief business correspondent christine romans joins me now with more. you heard what he said, premiums are not going up just 25% but as much as 80%. is that true? >> so look, this is what we know, sticker shock, yes, but not 80%. you're talking about 22% increase in the silver plan on average for next year. that means a 27-year-old, a typical 27-year-old, would pay $296 a month. this year on the federal exchanges the inflation, that
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increase in the cost, was only 7.2%, still a lot. still, carol, three quarters of the people getting obamacare would get subsidies from the government which would keep their price at about $100 or less a month. so three quarters paying $100 or less a month. there's wide variation around the states. europe going to see the prices drop in indiana but they're going up big in arizona. but arizona was the cheapest last year. it's a real mess in terms of consistency in terms of the pricing. so why are obamacare costs rising? enrollees are sicker and they cost more. remember, for years, insurance companies could athrow size kick people. now they're coming in and they're finding they're sicker and cost more. there are fewer young healthy people who don't cost as much. they pay premiums but they don't draw down as much health care spending. they're just not coming in in the numbers they expected. insurers priced the plans too low and fewer companies offer coverage.
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it means less choice. it means higher prices. there was something like a risk -- i don't want to get too wonky here but a mechanism in the law that insurance companies if they made a lot money on these plans they'd be able to put it in a pool and other insurers when they lost money because of those expensive, you know, expensive customer, they could draw from it. that hasn't worked. one of the mechanisms in the law is not working. that's where a lot of health care economists say there could be some changes to make it work better. >> before i get into our partisan discussion. >> it will be a partisan discussion. >> it will be a partisan discussion, i'm preparing for it right now, but is obamacare fixable? and if it is fixable, why don't they fix it or do something? >> the republicans say it's not fixable. donald trump wants to start over. he says it's doomed from the start. what you hear from the white house and people who worked on this and people who work in this field is it's a work in progress. we're in a transition of a huge undertaking in terms of the way we think and deliver, think about and deliver health care.
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and there are problems. we were discussing this with some -- it's a mess right now, but you can see where the mess is -- >> is there one thing you can tell to viewer, like this would go a long way to fix it? >> you know, if you had higher fines on people who don't come out and get insurance. so there are people right now, this year, and a lot of people don't know it yet, you're going to be fined $700 on average if you don't buy insurance. if you don't go out and buy insurance and get obamacare. right now, the bronze plan, the cheap et plan, is still more expensive than that $700. people are just saying i'll pay the fine, i'm young and healthy. the invincibles, they call them. maybe if you raise the fines, maybe those young people would come in, pay $100 a month, and you'll have more money in the system. >> at least i have something tangible going into the discussion. >> and the risk corridor, the risk pool, they can fix that too. >> stick around in case i need you. okay, so with just two weeks until election day and many already heading for the polls for early vote, will this
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obamacare health issue matter in the race for the white house? president obama's former chief spokesman says no. >> obamacare remains, you know, not as popular as i think president obama would like it to be. there's a whole bunch of reasons for that. but is it something that's going to change, this news, something that's going to change this election? no, it's not. the opportunity republicans had to use obamacare against the democrats and win the white house was in 2012. mitt romney, a far more credible candidate for president of the united states from the republican party, you know, beat us hard over the head with obamacare and guess what, the american people re-elected president obama. what i think is correct is what secretary clinton has said which is, you know, she needs when she becomes president both parties to help her to make adjustments to the law so that it can be improved. >> okay, so let's talk about that. hillaary rosen is a hillary clinton supporter and jeffrey lord is a donald trump supporter.
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>> i love you're worried about being prepared for us, carol. >> i'm mentally prepared now, i'm zen, so it doesn't matter what happens. hilary, i will start with you. clinton says she wants to fix obamacare. if she's elected president, she's going to be dealing with a very hostile congress. many of its members are not really into obamacare and want it to go away. so how exactly does she plan to accomplish that? >> i think you have to step back and take this a little bit out of the partisan heat of the day and, you know, more like christine was doing and saying what's good about new coverage that we want to keep and what do we want to change. and what is good is that unlike what we saw before which was left totally to the private sector, there are some requirements that insurance companies and health care providers have to accommodate today. and that has provided coverage for an additional, you know, 20-some million people and it has provided some safeguards.
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so women's health is equal to men's health. kids can stay on their parent's plan. you know, you can't get thrown off insurance if you switch jobs or become too sick. >> or have a pre-existing condition, right? >> all things we saw in the marketplace before. all things frankly that donald trump says we ought to get back to that the republicans have called for. so i think what we need is a sit-down with all of the players. i have confidence that hillary clinton will do that. i hope that republican members of congress who have seen enough of their constituents see benefits from obamacare. will come to the table constructively. >> all right, so jeffrey, mr. trump wants to repeal and replace obamacare. although we don't know with what. so if mr. trump repeals obamacare, what happens to those 21 million people who have insurance through obamacare? >> let's be candid here.
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this is the kind of thing that drives conservatives wild. you get liberals who say the answer is have the government come in and do it. the government comes in and does it, screws up and they say, no, if we just have the government do this and do that. and then we're off on this endless discussion. if they haven't touched it in the first place, we wouldn't have to do it this way. so we are going to have to start all over again. i was talking to someone. not to get local here. but the local dry-cleaner was telling meg just the other day that he had to let go of all the health coverage for his employees. he simply couldn't do it anymore because of obamacare. this has upset a lot of people. the idea that hillary clinton or any other president is going to get people in a room and just tinker with this at the edges. the mistake was doing this in the first place. >> i'm a small -- >> here's the other thing, hilary, i went to ohio and talked to people who enrolled in
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obamacare. it's zblounot just high premium. it's deductibles. the deductibles are so high, they can't even go to the doctor. it doesn't matter they have health insurance. it's just sucking money out of their pocket. >> what you really have to look at, as christine will tell you, what was the situation like before this health care law passed. i'm a small business owner. our premiums were going up 40% and 50% a year. health care costs were significantly going up before this law passed. and that made it even tougher for people who couldn't get any coverage. what this law essentially simply did was say you can buy into a -- you can buy into an imperfect system and pay some significant cost to do it. but we will subsidize your access to it. so even with all of these significant premium increases, most people, 85% of the people, are going to get tax credits to do it. that doesn't -- but because we
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didn't -- because we didn't go to a single payer system -- wait, let me just make this point. because we didn't go to a government system, we are depending on the private sector that does have variable costs. >> that's right. so christine, you heard what hilary was saying. what if obamacare was repealed? like what would happen to insurance rates then? the insurance companies -- inguess it would revert back to the way it was so the health care costs would continue to go up? >> insurance rates and health care costs were going up before obamacare. and you will hear from the white house that they would be going up even more now without obamacare. although in some of these states when you look at some of these policies, a 22% increase in one year is just hard to stomach. the high deductibles is another complaint too. look, there are problems in this massive law that is changing how we consume health care. health care costs were already going up. insurance rates were already going up. >> jeffrey, the last question for you. if mr. trump repeals obamacare, right, how can he guarantee
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insurance rates won't continue to go up even without the law? >> one of the ways to work on this is competition. as inundersta understand the ol if i saw a good health plan in california but i live in pennsylvania, too bad for me, i had to stick with whatever company was here in pennsylvania. that's the first thing that should have been changed. so that you can buy this anywhere you want. competition, competition, competition is what works best when you're talking about health care or widgets -- >> -- sit down and talk about that and come up with a compromised fix? >> well, i think they should. they're going to have to do this. no matter who's president of the united states in two weeks. they absolutely have to do this. the system as it was had problems. the system as it's been changed is terrible. so whoever finds themselves president-elect, they're going to have to put this at the top of their agenda, without doubt. >> you can't go back to a system where a child with cancer can't
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get coverage or a parent who is ill can't get insurance. and you can't go back to a system where families are bankrupted, bankrupted, personal bankruptcy, the number one cause for year was health care bills. you know, it had to be fixed. the fix needs to be fixed. >> i have to leave it there. it was a great conversation and i didn't even need to be mentally prepared. jeffrey lord, hilary rosen, christine romans. coming up, trump's nasty woman insult turn noogss into a rallying cry for clinton backers. >> and on november 8th, we nasty women are going to march our nasty feet to cast our nasty votes. grilled, glazed korean bbq shrimp. and try as much as you want of flavors like new parmesan peppercorn shrimp. just come in before it ends.
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blistering attack on donald trump. let's bring in cnn's joe johns. >> get out the vote effort in high gear especially in the battleground states. manchester, new hampshire, the candidate making a unity pitch, reaching out to independents while also trying to get the progressive vote with a little help from massachusetts senator warren who's being counted on to help mobilize women voters. warren has set herself apart from some other surrogates for her apparent willingness to attack donald trump with the same fierceness he's used against other candidates. very much on display at an event in new hampshire. listen. >> he think because he has a mouthful of tick tacks he can force himself on any women within groping distance. well, i've got news for you, donald trump. women have had it with guys like you. and on november 8th, we nasty women are going to march our
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nasty feet to cast our nasty votes to get you out of our live also forever. >> well, senator warren has been one of hillary clinton's toughest talking and tweeting allies. if hillary clinton wins in november, the left and the democratic party's going to be pressuring warren to be something of an enforcer. the hope is she will press the democratic controlled white house to keep the promises to progressives that were made after the sometimes bitter battle with bernie sanders, carol. >> joe john, thank you. president obama on the trail, too. actually, president obama is everywhere, supporting clinton, yes, but needling trump too. here he is on "jimmy kimmel live." >> president obama will go down as perhaps the worst president in the history of the united states, exclamation poin point, @realdonaldtrump. we, @realdonaldtrump, at least i
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will go down as a president. what i don't do, like at 3:00 a.m., i don't tweet -- >> you don't tweet -- >> about people who insulted me. i'm actually ready for a crisis. >> when you watch a debate and you watch donald trump, do you ever laugh? do you ever actually laugh? >> most of the time. >> most of the time. [ cheers and applause ] >> now, let's talk about that and more. ron brownstein is a cnn senior political analyst and senior editor for "the atlantic." lynn sweet is the washington bureau chief for the "chicago sun-times." welcome to both of you. >> hi, carol. >> you have to admit, president obama's fun yip theny these day >> yes, he is, he is -- he knows that the best kind of political statements are often made in humor. he can do self-deprecating humor and toss those barbs at trump
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and that just shows you what a skilled communicator he is. that's what donald trump is now capable of. that's what hillary clinton tries to do. just think, you know, carol and ron if you can wield humor like a weapon that always puts you ahead of the game when you appeal to voters. >> it's interesting, like, hillary clinton has elizabeth warren out there. it seems to me -- it might be just my imagination, that hillary clinton is sort of sitting back and smoking a cigarette letting her surrogates do the work. >> not sure if she's smoking the cigarette but the -- >> i was kidding about that part -- >> -- quite revealing. donald trump is in many ways a man without a party. the leadership of the republican party has fractured over him more than over any nominee in the party's history. even 1912 when theodore roosevelt walked out of party. and there are virtually no other high-profile current elected officials who are willing to make the case for him. you see every week the extraordinary reach that hillary clinton gets from being able to
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deploy president obama, michelle obama, bernie sanders, joe biden, elizabeth warren. the list of celebrities doing get out the vote in the final weeks, jay z and, you know, jennifer lopez and katy perry. it's just an extraordinary imbalance and one that reflects one party that, you know, is largely unified, maybe more, around the threat of trump, at least as much as enthusiasm for clinton, and another party that is fundamentally divided over what trump has meant after the election win or lose. >> the house majority leader, a republican, kevin mccarthy, was on "fox & friends" this morning and donald trump was saying these polls are rig against him but mccarthy said it seems like donald trump is going in the wrong direction. let's listen to what he said. >> do we know wind is in our face that supporting donald trump, supporting our members of congress, we're in a fight. this is a direction. what do we want to change this
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country. do we want status quo. only choice is are you for hillary, are you for donald. i want to see this country changed. i'm concerned about the supreme court. i'm concerned about actions of foreign policy, where america currently stand based upon the former secretary of state. so it's no doubt where we stand and what we're fighting for. >> so you don't believe stand with trump and lose the house? >> no, i believe we have to change this country. we are going to keep this house. we need to elect donald trump president. >> so, lynn, if donald trump had more surrogates out on the trail speaking like that on his behalf, would he be doing much better in the polls? >> well, yes and no. because he's fixated on the polls instead of being fixated on his message. so his surrogates waste valuable time having to go back and forth. at this point, it doesn't matter what you think of the polls in terms of your own message. if you're donald trump.
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because he doesn't have the surrogates. just to amplify what ron brownstein said, he named some of the most famous people but that's in addition to a platoon of other lawmakers. you have angela basset in florida today. former dnc chair howard dean who appeals to a lot of people in north carolina. you know, you have michelle kwan, the former olympian, who has been working for the clinton campaign for -- since it started in iowa, you know, and the list goes on because they not only have the big-name surrogates you know about, but they have somebody -- people on the campaign that also are very able to reach out to certain communities. such as vern strider in michigan and josh du bois, people who are specialists in reaching out to the faith community. so that is how specifically targeted the clinton campaign could be to send their surrogates. so it is a mix of celebrity and targeting spokesman. >> i think a lot of people don't
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realize exactly what the ground game entails, right? i was talking to star jones, in tampa, visiting community groups to get the unnewsism level up for hillary clinton. she said in tampa, she didn't run into a single trump sur gt doing anything of the kind. does that surprise you, ron? >> no, the organizational structure is vastly imbalanced. democrat s ha democrats have a significant voter identification mechanism to try to turn out their vote. the trump cam pan has relied on what the national party can do. it dilutes the effectiveness of what they can do. carol, none of this was not predictable. if you go back to january and december, trump was facing enormously unfavorable ratings among the same groups causing him the most trouble today. literally last winter, three quarters minority voters, two-thirds of millennials, two-thirds of college graduates
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and three-fifths of women say they have an unfauvorable view f donald trump. they knew they had a candidate who had a toxic reaction. the only way for him to win was to radically transform the nature of the electorate, turn out many, many more blue collar white voters where he is strongest. that has been problematic. the problem is compounded by the absence of an actual organizational structure to do anything like it would take to achieve that. >> all right, i have to leave it there. ron brownstein, lynn sweet, thanks. coming up in the "newsroom," he's arguably the most unpredictable presidential candidate in history. ever wonder what donald trump's campaign manager thinks when he rips up the script? we get an upclose and personal look into kellyanne conway's life next. red 97! set! red 97! did you say 97? yes. you know, that reminds me of geico's 97% customer satisfaction rating. 97%? helped by geico's fast and friendly claims service.
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good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. donald trump has had his fair share of troubles winning over female voters. shows of lukely voters, 59% said his treatment of women is an indicator of his character. one woman who would disagree with that is his campaign manager kellyanne conway. she's trump's third campaign manager this election cycle and is the first woman to ever run a republican presidential candidate's campaign. cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash decided to learn more about her relationship with donald trump to get to the bottom of who the real kellyanne conway is. >> i think she's like a lot of -- most of us women. she's got a lot of different layers of who she is. but what is so fascinating about
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the women and the poll you just put up there is that her expertise as a pollster before she joined the trump campaign was to tell politicians and corporate clients how best to appeal to women. not so easy, though, when donald trump is your candidate. morning at the conways. scrambling to get the kids ready for school. familiar chaos for any parent, though kellyanne conway is not any parent. >> kellyanne conway bluntly acknowledging the uphill climb. >> the mother of four young children is donald trump's campaign manager. on tv so much explaining and defending her boss "saturday night live" dedicated an entire bit to imagining her day off. this is so weird. this is exactly the way the "snl" house looked. where's "walking on sunshine"? >> in my head. the pancakes are true to life. >> these days, her mother who
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moved in to help, makes the pancakes. conway's only been on the job since august. trump's third campaign manager but the first woman ever to run a gop presidential race. >> i wasn't hired because of my gender. but it's a special responsibility. >> and often a difficult one. like this weekend when trump went off script attacking the women who say he groped them. >> all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> do you just tear your hair out when you hear him say that? >> it's his campaign and candidacy and in the end he has to feel comfort with his voice -- >> you're the campaign manager. do you feel comfortable with that? >> i think donald trump is at his very best when he talks about the issues. >> translation, going off message hurts his campaign. con way insists she's tough on trump in private. >> i don't sugarcoat at all and i think he really appreciates -- >> give me an example. if i say something that really make him mad -- >> i told him yesterday on the
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plane you and i are going to fight for the next 17 days. and he said why. and i said, because i know you're going to win and that comment you just made sounds like you think you're going to lose. and we're going to argue about it until you win. >> and what's his response? >> he said, okay, honey, then we'll win. >> for a time after conway took over, trump was disciplined but not anymore, especially on twitter. >> literally people will seriously say, can't you delete his twitter app. >> that was one of my questions. >> of course, it's not for me to take away a grown man's twitter account. >> i moved on her very heavily. >> when tape from 2005 came out of trump describing lewd behavior, conway canceled sunday tv appearances. but still helped with damage control. >> and i felt like rapunzel in the tower all weekend and i told mr. trump in private what i've also said in public or a variation thereof. i found comments to be horrible and indefensible and he didn't ask anybody to defend them by the way. >> did you consider quitting?
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>> i did not. >> she said his apology was earnest. >> the women who came forward and said it's not talk, donald trump groped me, do you believe them? >> i believe -- donald trump has told me and his family and the recei rest of america now that none of this is true, these are lies, all made up. and i think that it's not for me to judge what those women believe. i've not talked to them. i've talked to him. >> she was raised in new jersey by a single mom, aunts and grandmother. as a political pollster, she chose to work in what she calls a man's world, especially as a republican. she recalled a potential client, a man, asking how she balanced kids and work. >> it's like, i just hope you ask all the male consultant, are go doing to give up your golf game? because they seem really, really busy too. >> still, like most working moms, time with her kids is
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precious. the question is whether she'll have more time in two weeks after election day. >> because we're going to add two states -- >> when she was hired in august, she told trump he was losing but could still win. you think at this point it is still possible to win? >> it is still possible to win. >> probable? >> i think we've got a good chance of winning. >> so she's -- i mean, i think some people will look at that and say she's exceedingly normal. why would she be so loyal to a man like donald trump who does make mistakes, who does make her job harder? >> well, she says she believes in him and she believes in what he says he wants to do with this country. but, you know, there's no question, and she didn't leave it to the imagination for people to get, that she has frustrations. just like other people who work for donald trump has frustrations. because at the end of the day, he is an unconventional politician and that does mean he steps on his message with some
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frequency because he gets angry or he takes the bait or he can't help himself because he feels that he needs to defend his name. when you're running for president and you have, as kellyanne conway said, they believe the issues are on their side, the obamacare numbers that came out are a great example of the fact that premiums have spiked more than 20%. that is something that should be -- what he talks about on a loop and not the polls for example. >> he's been doing that this morning. >> he has. so he's taking that advice. >> just a final question. if donald trump does lose, like what's next for kellyanne conway? >> honestly, i'm guessing whatever she wants. she has a reputation already and has for two decades as a solid pollster. not just in politics but in the corporate world. and i think that by her doing this interview and making clear that she's sort of just trying to do her best, and that she's
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fires. cnn international correspondent arwa damon is in erbil, iraq, with more. >> you were talking about that resistance happening inside mosul. they're known as the mosul battalions. for quite some time, they've been carrying out targeted assassinations and other small-scale attacks against isis. their long-term plan or their more strategic plan is to rise up once troops get closer to the city and isis has, for quite some time, also been trying to go after members of this resistance but it seems as if you were mentioning there these clashes are already breaking out. isis is conducting sweeping operations through those neighborhoods, try to go after members of this highly secretive battalion. in other parts of the front line, fighting still instance, still ongoing. the closer troops are getting to mosul, the more difficult it is becoming. and then you have what isis is leaving behind. as it departs some locations. we were just at what was a
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sulfur factory that was occupied by isis. and just before they withdrew, they planted explosives in what was a massive mountain of sulfur and throughout this plant, what this has done is released huge clouds of toxic gas that are still burning and over the last few days hundreds of people have had to seek medical attention because of difficulty breathing, choking. it really impacts your eyes. in fact, so many people needed medical attention that hospitals ran out of oxygen. this is just one example of the many concerns that troops will be facing as they get closer to that city, carol. >> before you go, i want to ask you this question since you are on the battlefield and you're there. we have an election going on. donald trump is saying that the operation in mosul is a total disaster. from your standpoint, is it?
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>> i think, one, it's too early to tell. and i think that this was an operation that many will say was a long time in the making. it is one that is absolutely needed. it is one that so far at this point in time, bearing in mind that no one knows exactly what sort of defense isis has in mosul. it seems as it's fairly well plan and is so far going according to what has been strategized, if not slightly faster. a lot of those who are out there on the front lines fighting this will tell you that even though as the u.s. military likes to say the enemy has a vote, they do firmly believe there, the u.s., the iraqi, the kurdish peshmerga, the other coalition partners are the ones who are going to ultimately win. >> i'll be right back. you both have a perfect driving record. perfect. no tickets. no accidents.
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donald trump doubling down on attacks on the obama administration and its involvement in the iraqi-led fight to retake mosul. mr. trump tweeting, quote, the
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attack on mosul is turning out to be a total disaster. we gave them ten months of notice. u.s. is looking so dumb. hillary clinton fighting back and saying those comments are dangerous and need to be repu repudia repudiated. let's talk about that. with me, josh rogan, cnn plilt call only political analyst and "washington post" columnist, welcome, josh. >> thank you. >> you heard what arwa damon said, she said it's too early in the battle toll declare anything about how the fight is going in mosul. from your standpoint, could it turn out to be a disaster? >> i hope not, all right, the point is, why would you say that, why would you root for it to be a disaster. for months, donald trump has been calling on the obama administration to take the fight to isil and then when they do it, he says it's a disaster. he said it should be a sneak attack which doesn't make sense because it's a city in the middle of a desert. then he said it's a conspiracy theory to get hillary clinton elected which is also ridiculous considering the fact that is an
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iraqi mission on an iraqi time line. >> wait a minute, some voters might look at that and say, you know, the battle for mosul could have started a long time ago, why didn't it? >> the iraqi government made the decision based on iraqi time lines. it wasn't up to the obama administration. it's totally impossible that the obama administration could have orchestrated it. but the bigger issue here is that, you know, donald trump is just saying a lot of these falsehoods and conspiracy theories and there's really only two conclusions you can draw from that. either he's lying or he doesn't know what's going on in the ground in iraq. i don't know which one is right but either way it's pretty troubling. >> he says he has a lot of generals behind him. he touts them all the time. so i would assume he's getting some military advice from them. >> yes, no, if you listen to general mike flynn, lead military adviser, he's saying something totally different. yes, he talks to the generals but he's not listening to the generals. if you don't have a basic understanding of the reality of these important security issues,
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it doesn't matter how many generals you talk to. you have to take the time to learn what's going upon that's part of being the president, part of being commander in chief. >> there are a certain number of american troops involved in this mission in mosul. and i'm sure they're not listening to television or radio right at the moment. but still, you would think there would be some -- >> right, actually, we had an american soldier die over the weekend in the operation in mosul. we have hundreds of u.s. troops in harm's way. imagine if trump were commander in chief and screaming the mission they're involved in, they're risking their lives for, in protection of our national security is a disaster, that's not the message you want to send to people who are fighting to protect you. >> josh rogan, thank you. i'll be right back. "driving my life away" by eddie rabbit ♪ well, the midnight headlight blind you on a rainy night ♪ ♪ steep grade up ahead slow me down makin' no time. ♪ but i gotta keep rollin', for the mornin' ♪
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indians, cubs, epic. it starts tonight.
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andy shoels live in cleveland for game one of the world series. >> doesn't get any better than this. the biggest thing in sports right now is the cubs win the world series. they haven't won one in 108 years. cleveland went 52 years without winning any kind of championship. of course after lebron and the cavs won back in june, the players going through one last workout yesterday here at progressive field before they hit the field tonight for game one. i'll tell you what, ticket prices for this world series rival the super bowl. just to get in the ballpark tonight is going to cost you around 750 bucks. that's for the worst seat. game three in chicago cost you about $2000. we talked to a lot of the players and fans and all of them well aware of how special this world series is. >> cubs nation all around the world, all around the country, they're there. they're behind us. and we're ready to give them something special. >> i think it's going to be a special world series. obviously, there's two droughts. so i mean there's going to be a
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winner. >> i never thought this would happen. it's great for the city. >> i haven't seen this. my father, grandfather, great grandfather. we just drove in from chicago. we have tickets for the first two games. we're looking to bring it home to chicago. we're excited. >> now, indians fans pulling out all the stops at the ballpark today. even bringing g ining goats to ballpark. the curse of the billy goat goes back to 1945 when a tavern owner brought his goat to the world series and got kicked out and he said those cubs aren't going to win anymore and they haven't. they are found direct descendants of murphy the goat. >> we bought two tickets for game three for our friends here. hopefully they'll be abe howed in for wrigley field, for game three this saturday. if they're denied entry, the curse will continue. >> we'll have to wait and see if that works. but big night here in cleveland,
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carol. on the other side, the cavs getting their championship rings. the nba moved that up to 7:00 so the indian fans could watch that as well. our friends on tnt, they're having a big broadcast, so an awesome night here in cleveland, can't wait. >> i hope they get to bring those goats in. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" with berman and bp o bolduan starts right now. hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. it is the final fort night which means two weeks. it does, that's what it means. it means two weeks. >> fort night. >> more importantly, it means every bit of news is a big deal. a big bit of news is a really big deal. and now there is news about obamacare which donald trump hopes is a huge deal to voters. >>

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