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money, and you cannot do infrastructure or health care reform, as we all know, without tax reform. and part of tax reform has always been repatriating that money back home. >> that was not in that speech. >> it wasn't in the speech, but he's been talking about that for weeks now. and the treasury and commerce folks have been talking about it. >> i just want to give a heads up to our viewers. it's the top of the hour. appreciate you just joining us. in an a year of unprecedented presidential campaign, another first. the president-elect just wrapped up a first stop in what is being billed as a thank you tour, back on stage at a rally in cincinnati, ohio. take a look at some of the key moments. >> i'm going to discuss our action plan to make america great again. we're going to discuss. although we did have a lot of fun fighting hillary, didn't we? right? we have so many problems to fix in our country, but i know that
if we set aside our differences, and we do have differences, we're a very divided nation, but we're not going to be divided for long. i've always brought people together. i know you find that hard to believe. although this group probably doesn't find it hard to believe. we pledge allegiance to one flag and that flag is the american flag. [ chanting: usa ] from now on, it's going to be america first, okay? america first. we're going to put ourselves first. we seek piece and harmony with the nations of the world, but that means recognizing the right of every country, including our own, to look after its citizens. we would put other countries first. we had people running our
country, that truly didn't know what the hell they were doing. they didn't want to call it. we're leading by so much it's impossible -- i lost every other vote and they refused to call. then at 3:00, i'll never forget, i watched a particular person, and we won wisconsin. and we won michigan. and we won pennsylvania. right? and that person is doing the map, and that person was saying for months that there's no way that donald trump can break the blue wall, right? we didn't break it. we shattered that sucker. we condemn bigotry and prejudice in all of its forms. we denounce all of the hatred and we forcefully reject the language of exclusion and
separation. we're going to come together. we have no choice. we have to, and it's better. it's better. and today, you're older and you're working harder. and in many cases, you have two jobs. some of that's because of obamacare. and by the way, we are repealing and replacing obamacare. the job of the president is to keep america safe. and that will always be my highest priority. we will do everything in our power are to keep this scourge of terrorism out of our country. we're going to keep it out of our country. just so you understand, people are pouring in from regions of the middle east. we have no idea who they are, where they come from, what they're thinking, and we're going to stop that, dead cold,
flat. >> cnn senior white house correspondent, jim acosta is there. he joins us now. was this the unscripted trump we know on the campaign trail tonight, do you think, or a more -- i mean, i can't tell what percentage of this was scripted and unscripted. certainly, it seemed to sort of go back and forth? >> reporter: yeah. well, anderson, it was pretty much like the campaign. the teleprompters are up, trump is going to trump. that's we saw tonight here at this rally in cincinnati. it was billed as a thank you tour by his transition team, but it sounded more like a "something else you" tour when you listen to some of donald trump's comments here. he went after the news media, railed against the news media as the extremely dishonest news media, mocked some of the predictions that he was going to lose heading into the election, and then he declared the during these remarks here cl, that the crowd just ate up, moment by moment, that there will be a wall on the mexican border, that he will seek the end of obamacare, that he will ask congress to repeal and replace
obamacare, and on and on. and i think the big news of the night was when he announced that retired marine general james mattis is going to be the next defense secretary. but keep in mind, anderson, that is something that his own spokesman, jason miller, denied on twitter was actually taking place. jason miller said just a couple of hours ago, that no final decision had been made. so donald trump not only does he like to stir up the crowds at these rallies, he proved tonight that he also wants to make the news on his own, and not even allow his own transition officials to do that. there was also a moment where he defended tapping wilbur ross as his next commerce secretary. i thought that was interesting, because one of the knocks on donald trump during this transition process is that he's not had a news conference to take some of these questions. so he essentially answered one of those questions at this rally tonight. one of the questions being, how can you be talking about draining the swamp when you're naming billionaires to your cabinet? and donald trump said at one
point, well, weilbur ross knows how to make a lot of money, described him as a killer, and said he's going to be having other killers on his cabinet. to donald trump has talked a lot about uniting the country. but really tonight this was a speech about uniting his base and he certainly did that. >> how unusual is this idea that a president-elect would be doing a thank you tour, particularly in the states that were so critical for him to win? >> it's not that unusual. barack obama did this back in 2008. i think what is dramatically different is to hear and some of the language they used as president-elect tonight. we've just not had a president-elect go after the news media the way he did tonight, just openly mocking the news media. openly sort of doing a touchdown dance, saying it was fun fighting with hillary clinton, and then saying to a couple of protesters who were let out of this audience early this evening, well, maybe somebody
should remind them that hillary clinton lost a couple of weeks ago. this was not a president-elect who was seeking to heal the divisions of this country tonight, anderson. this was a president-elect who is very comfortable enflaming those divisions, and he did it time and again. and there's really just no way to sugarcoat that or to tiptoe through the tulips. donald trump wanted to do a touchdown dance, and he spiked the football here in cincinnati. >> all right, jim acosta, thanks very much. before we go to our panel, i want to play one of the moments that jim talked about, the announcement about donald trump's pick to be the secretary of defense, not only using the general's name, but also his kind of amazing nickname. let's watch. >> we are going to appoint mad dog mattis as our secretary of defense. but we're not announcing it
until monday, so don't tell anybody. mad dog. he's great. he is great. i asked one of the generals, i love the generals, and i won't use his name, but he probably would come forward. but i said to him, you're a good general? yes, sir, i am. i said, so, how do you compare to general mattis? how do you compare to mad dog? sir, he's better than i am! i loved it. i said, i love you just saying that. they love him. so we're going to be announcing him on monday of next week. keep it inside the room. but that's what we have. and he's our best. they say he's the closest thing to general george patten that we have and it's about time. it's about time! >> you were saying who that
general was, that said that about general mattis. >> apparently it was michael flynn, who is going to be his national security adviser. maybe not that surprising, because i'm not sure how many generals he regularly talks to, but maybe at this point he talks to a lot of them. but i think it's quite telling that he had that private moment with flynn and that that was part of his impromptu announcement, talking about -- >> when i listened to that announcement, i had a jeffrey lord moment, thinking back to ronald reagan, how there was a soviet union who were afraid of ronald reagan thinking he's crazy, he's going to have hisbu what some of the reactions are hearing that the new secretary of defense's name is mad dog? >> any number of gembassies. >> and they're trying to google "mad dog" and translate "mad dog." van? >> i'm trying to figure out
where there might be some common ground. i think it's going to be mostly a lot of obstruction from democrats. if nothing else, just to show they can't be rolled. but he did mention this drug problem and this drug epidemic. and in the rust belt, the opioid epidemic is unbelievable. you have little bitty small towns that have two or three deaths a day. more people are dying from opioids now than from car crashes. i mean, it's a huge thing. and you have had, you know, problems in other communities as well. it might be that there could be something there. also, poverty. turban po the urban poor have always been let down by democrats, but the rural poor have been let down by republicans. so there could be some places, i guarantee you on the front end, the democrats will have to huff and puff a lot to try to show that they're not -- >> but it's interesting, even glass/steagall, which is something that donald trump talked about reinstating on the campaign trail, i think it's even in the republican party platform, although we don't hear about it much these days, that's
something elizabeth warren has also supported, whether or not that will be actually -- >> you know, i think there'll be a lot of battles on that, but when he talked about -- we spent $6 trillion in the middle east and all we had is instability and we should be for stability, i think -- that's going to bring in a few democrats. maybe some of the more liberal ones are going to say, you know what, whatever we're doing, wherever you stand, it's not working, we've got to do it differently. i think that's something -- the opioids thing, i agree with you 100%. hal rogers, big, big champion of that and it's a very big -- >> but on the campaign trial, on the opioid, which he did talk a lot about in new hampshire. he would interact with people. a lot of -- and maybe, there's more detail in -- online in his playing, but on the campaign trail, what he was talking about, what he would reference was "build a wall," we'll stop the drugs from coming in. not a lot about sort of more detail -- >> i was speaking to somebody
today, who has a family member, who's been -- become a heroin addict. a college-educated man, and they're stricken by this. and this is one of the reasons why there are pleas about his talk about mexico. because they think these things are pouring through the border -- >> but what's interesting, obviously, we know about the opioid epidemic, it's so expensive, people turn to heroin, because it's more accessible and cheaper. >> can i just say something, as somebody who has seen what happens when the party out of power immediately digs heels in and says, it's no, no, no, to quote the megan treanor song. it's really terrible when that happens. and i think if the voters said anything, it's that they want to blow up washington. and if the democrats don't at least have some understanding that they can't do exactly what
they blamed republicans for doing to donald trump -- >> but let me ask you, dana. if there is cooperation and bipartisanship -- >> i'm not saying it has to all be kumbaya. >> it benefits not only country, but the president who's in office, and a lot of democrats aren't going to want to give that to the president. i'm not saying that right, but a political reality. >> that's 100%. and that's van's whole point, progressives are trying to make the decision about whether or not to be obstructionist or not. >> the lesson that we learned -- >> yeah? >> the lesson we learned, the country was in a massive recession, two wars. we reached out to republicans, they act like obama never tried to pick up republicans. he really worked hard -- >> i have to disagree -- >> you'll get your turn. you'll get your turn. >> $300 billion into his stimulus -- >> you'll get your turn. let me just tell my little story. >> so, i remember him reaching out quite a bit. here's what happened. when we looked at it, they
obstructed, obstructed, and then rewarded in the 2010 midterm election. >> i know, but does that make it right? not to sound pollyanna. >> but if you're asking consider you are asking, you're a good person and asking us to do something that the actual lesson that we just saw is, if you do the opposite of that, you get rewarded. >> i want to play what donald trump said tonight about gridlock. >> i've spoken to democrats and i said to them, look, we can't go on with this gridlock. it's gone on for so many years. it's gone on for so many years. they can't get together. we're going to get together. and i believe they want to get together. you know why? because it's time. and the people are angry. they're angry. and they're going to get together. we're going to skblinjoint deci. we are. and the nice part? our victory was so great, we
have the house, we have the senate, and we have the presidenc presidency. >> in my opinion, van, having served in the first term of the first clinton, the only clinton, i guess, we can say now, and the -- and with obama and with bush, i can tell you, clinton actually really did reach out. i think obama did superficially, so he could say that he did, but health care, great example. i'm going to have everybody in the room, i'm going to have the meetings open to the public. absolutely not. proposals, and we could not even put amendments on the floor. and i think it's a huge mistake. i really would say to donald trump, you know what, you need to pick off a few democrats. not to conquer and divide, but you need to get some onboard, because you want bipartisanship. >> excuse me. i was in the clinton white house you were in the congress and y'all impeached him! that's not exactly -- i'm sorry!
>> but -- >> what republicans did as our president had not even spent his first night in the white house, president obama, the republicans retired to a fancy d.c. white house and planned a strategy of massive resistance. history now shows the -- >> actually -- >> -- it's the most successful political strategy of modern times. >> excuse me. >> they won back the house, they won the senate, now they've won the white house. they have more state legislature chambers since any time since 1920. they have the highest number of house seats since 1928. they have obstructed everything. the president -- and i didn't work for barack obama, but his health care plan came from mitt romney and newt gingrich. his cap and trade plan came from john mccain. his immigration plan came from george w. bush. >> let's go from history to today. david gurdergegergen, what wouly to democrats who are trying to figure out, is it resistance or common ground? >> i think they have to figure out two or three issues on which they're willing to cooperate. infrastructure's the most obvious. they don't have a plan of their own yet. they desperately need to come up with a plan of their own.
but i think the wisest democrats are saying, we've got to move beyond this question of whether we resist or we compromise. rather, the question is, how do we back the party of the future? how do we bring new solutions to the table? because hillary clinton ran on a set of ideas that seem rather stale to most voters. and donald trump has left it wide open on technology and globalization and these other big forces that are changing the world. the trump plan does not speak to the future, it speaks to a lot of current problems today, and you need to come up with a plan that really deals with the big forces that are moving. >> kirsten, all the talk of -- for democrats saying, are we going to be a resistance party or common ground. republicans saying, what is our strategy? there's folks out there who are listening who are just sick of this kind of talk. and donald trump kind of spoke to that tonight. the question is, can it be any different? >> it is true that this was proven to be a very successful
political strategy. the problem is, where does it end? i mean, so then it's the democrats do this and they get back in power and the republicans are like, we just do this forever? at some point, the cycle has to be -- >> as long as the american people reward obstructionism, which they have from the statehouse to the white house, politicians only respond to stimulus. and voters have rewarded obstruction by giving the entire keys of the kingdom to the republicans. >> i would just say, that was republican voter senate to be more skeptical about what role government could play anyway. it's not clear that democrats respond in the same way. i do think it's important to note that a lot of democrats, particularly progress i have dls, see donald trump as a unique threat. there are a lot of people who think, this is a guy who could actually undercut american democracy. there are a lot of reasons why people think that. there's a lot of reasons why that stem from some of the rhetoric they used on the campaign trail. that's something, too, that the progressives wrestle with.
>> that's what they were saying just last night. a candidate of bigotry, there's no way i can stand with that if that's what the trump white house -- >> and it's hard to get past this. >> the way you deal, the way ronald reagan dealt with this, you pick up the phone and call these democratic members of congress and they are aware that your political strength is such that they are hearing from their own constituents that they better hop to, or they could be defeated in the next election. >> you know the dynamic, though, that's so different than under ronald reagan, it really is the kicking in of voter identification, voter's rights act, super reinforcement, that everybody is walking around with a republican plus ten, a democrat plus ten, 10% advantage or 15, in some cases, 30 and 40%. all the house races are basically settled, maybe 20 of them are actually in play. but the senate, it's a different animal. and 23 democrat senators are up for re-election. to me, that's where the battleground is. i, frankly, if i were advising the president, i would say, don't worry about a democrat
from california, because he or she can't afford politically to get on your team. but a swing state democrat senator? totally different ball game. >> and the one thing i will add is that, you're right. the voters are rewarded republicans. but donald trump is also not, for the most part, one of those republicans. he's not a typical republican. he is a populist, you said it yourself, that he completely opposes paul ryan, for example, in most of the republican establishment figures in washington on trade. and so, there are -- and that's some place where a lot of your democratic colleagues can get behind him. i know the devil's in the details, but there are areas, because he isn't a typical politician, separating out what you said, he's not going to be easy. >> i agree with that. i don't think the election should be read as a triumph of obstructionism. i think trump was not one of the candidates who ran on that. he ran for change, to bust the whole thing out. and that was more important.
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president-elect trump spoke in cincinnati tonight, hitting many of the same themes and same targets from his campaign rallies. listen to a claim he made tonight about people pouring into the country. >> the job of the president is to keep america safe, and that will always be my highest priority. we will do everything in our power to keep the scourge of terrorism out of our country. we're going to keep it out of our country. just so you understand, people are pouring in from regions of the middle east.
we have no idea who they are, where they come from, where they're thinking, and we're going to stop that dead cold flat. >> back with the panel. that's a, line for line, almost, from the campaign, as president-elect. and as president, does he need to, you know, either explain exactly who he's talking about, where he's getting these numbers, or does he not need to do anything to change? >> i -- >> i mean, because pakistan, the other side note to this is, pakistan, it was just yesterday, released, basically word-for-word it seemed, the conversation between president-elect trump, i think it was the prime minister of pakistan, in which donald trump was incredibly effusive about pakistan. pakistan is clearly one of the countries that he would be talking about, and yet there was sort of no mention of that in the call. >> i don't think it's factually rue that there are lots and lots of people pouring into the
country right now. i don't think that there's any evidence to support that. and i think one of the issues we'll continue to have in his presidency is the same one we had in the campaign, what do you do with a post-factual world? and it's very troublesome that we're dealing with this. but let me say, research universities in this country are worried about just the opposite effect. if we have an anti-science technology, right at the tail end, there was a little mention of science and technology, but there's deep fear if you're really going to go down that track, that there are a lot of people around the world who used to come here to get graduate degrees and stay on and become the backbone of some of our research in silicon valley and beyond, that they won't want to come. once you step back from the leadership role and china becomes the leader, there's a lot of reason -- >> i think back to one of the interviews that candidate trump did with bannon on -- i think it was a radio show, and that was an issue they talked about. donald trump seemed supportive
of the idea of keeping people who had come here on those kind of visas, keeping them in the united states. clearly that was not something bannon when he was interviewing donald trump seemed to like the idea of at all. >> but i think that the post-fact thing is really the big issue. and corey lewandowski was at an event at harvard and basically said that the problem with the media was that we took him too literally and we were too hung up on the facts and the real people sort of understood -- >> he said that at harvard? >> yeah. but the point is, it's not that real people are understanding the bigger truths, because the bigger truth is actually not true. it's a little hard as a journalist to try to understand how you're supposed to cover it. >> i think, for the muslim community in particular, the optics are still really bad. and i think where the post-truth thing really hurts is honestly, if a muslim family moved next door to you, you would be the happiest person in the world. first of all, the chances of
your kids getting in trouble just went way down, way down. because the muslim community has the lowest crime rate, the highest entrepreneurship, the highest educational attainment for women in the country. they are the model american community. and so when you have people who now are afraid to come here, and that's starting to happen. you have geniuses who are from pakistan, who are from indonesia, who now, i don't know if i'm safe here, that becomes an economic problem for america long-term. so that we're starting to do stuff here that doesn't make good sense for what has made us great so far. and the optics are still very bad. >> and that's why pat mccrory lost in north carolina. >> there is a difference in what van is talking about and looking at what just happened in ohio. somebody who came in here and was not vetted seriously well. if he's got, if he had post -- >> he's 18 years old and came in 2014, so he was -- >> but anderson, what i'm saying is, we had, what, two of the 9/11 hijackers who were floating around with their visas expired.
we had san bernardino. these things are happening and people are winding up dead. clearly, the system -- >> we've had three -- you know me, we've had three refugees do something bad out of millions. >> he's saying thousands -- >> well, one of the -- >> he's saying thousands pouring in, we have no idea who they are or -- >> no, there's a term that the border patrol uses, otm, other than mexicans coming in. there's truth to the fact that there are lots of people coming in, thousands, probably, i don't know the exact number, because we don't have a control on it. but i want to say this, one of the things that is in his immigration plan that's very rarely talked about is a committee, a study on radicalization. how do you stop the lone wolf who is embedded, maybe i'm an american citizen, maybe not. maybe he's lived here for ten years. what makes him turn radical? we don't know. >> trump kind of -- trump kind of helps turn people radical. >> there are tons of studies, by
the way of, you know -- a book was just wrote basically analyzing every case of jihadist in america and kind of looking at what commonalities or lack of common commonalities there are. it's not like we're completely flying blind. >> we need to know how people become self-radicalized, which is apparently what happened to this murderer at ohio state. but the stereotyping and scapegoating, mr. trump didn't say anything about this when a right-wing white kid went into mother emanuel church baptist church in south carolina and slaughtered people because they were black in their bible study. now, it was not an attack on christians or white people or conservatives, we didn't scapegoat and stereotype them because there's more of us. but that's what's so upsetting about mr. trump scapegoating muslims or refugees when we have homegrown terrorists who are not muslims as well, like this animal in -- alleged, i guess,
he hasn't been tried yet, but this young man -- >> and now to say that he didn't make a public statement because at the time he wasn't a public figure running to office to the degree -- well, he wasn't running for office back then. but i think he absolutely would denounce that and probably has denounced that -- >> my problem is, the scapegoating and the stereotyping that trump engages in is really damaging. >> you're saying he's very reluctant to make public statements? >> let me say this about the muslim community? there's an assumption on the left that, well, donald trump has offended them, they're not with him. who was it that absolutely, positively blew the arab spring? it was barack obama and hillary clinton. they embraced the arab spring, which led to as much instability -- >> we hear that a lot, but the other question is, you know, what -- should they have just stopped with mubarak and crushed the pro-democracy demonstrators? >> i think they should have known that they were embracing the muslim brotherhood and they were embracing instability. and look at the results of their spring. it hasn't been a positive thing. >> why after all of this, i
understand putting money into finding out how people become radicalized, but why is there no effort to figure out, how do we become a more inclusive society, how do we make sure that the muslims feel safe here, so they're on our side? >> well, david, i would suggest that -- first of all, stop dividing everybody into groups. >> you can't have it both ways! >> we were all called racist, sexist, homophobic -- >> you've just been attacking these people who come in here, who are muslims, and get self-radicalized. if you're going to have it that way, what about looking at it the other way. i don't understand that. >> not attacking people, saying that there are people who -- >> when they label people, it's good. when we label people, it's bad. >> you're coming into this country to be an american. he talked about that tonight. we're here to be americans. we're not here to be black, white, muslim -- >> but someone who maintains their muslim identity, who maintains their religion, they're still american. >> perfectly fine! perfectly fine! that's what freedom is. that's great.
but what i'm saying is, you cannot keep perpetually dividing people, running around -- >> but as a candidate, he said, stop all muslims from coming in. isn't that dividing -- >> because from a particular area of the world -- >> but he didn't initially say that -- >> but he brought it back, he did, and he said from an area that's nobody to be anti-american. and i don't know why the left would have problems with that. >> rudy giuliani said when he was a u.s. attorney and went after the mafia, he went after italians and no one accused him of being anti-italian because he is italian. you go where the situation is, right? i might add, this is a long tradition in american history, when those civil right workers in mississippi were killed in 1964, no one said, let's investigate the irish community in boston. they were after white members of the klan -- >> but the march in the st. patrick's day parade, you know, and in the german parade and whatever, but for muslims to -- it's muslims who seem to be the ones who are supposedly not taking part --
>> it's fine, but in this country, you come here to be an american. >> i'm all for that. i totally debragree. >> i don't know, it was so long ago. it's not even what you're talking about now, but the problem of what trump does, he takes anecdotes and takes one bad incident and extrapolates it on to an entire group of people. and that's the scapegoating and it's very dangerous. and so he takes, you know, somebody who's tragically killed by an illegal immigrant and turns it into every illegal immigrant is out to get you and is going to kill your daughter. and that's a very thing to be doing. >> especially as president. i come back to george w. bush after 9/11 making a point, this is not a war against islam. that was in the, you know, horrific days immediately after 9/11. a difficult statement in those days -- >> and saying islam is a religion of piece. and really trying to make sure that we don't demonize muslims. and trump, i feel, is doing the opposite, actually. >> well, would you agree that hillary clinton being afraid to say "radical jihadist" was a
little bit silly, politically correct gag rule? why don't the left -- >> she actually did say it. >> she probably said it. she was forced to say it, the way she flipped on tpp. >> trump said it tonight. so i think by morning, isis will disband. because that's all you have to do, use the magic word. >> all right, all right, all right. >> you mentioned the breach of protocol. and it really was a breach, that the pakistanis made when they put out -- >> totally. >> -- what allegedly -- >> it seemed like a very detailed -- >> it was a very detailed and it sounded like the way trump talked, talking about how great the prime minister was and how great pakistan is, which flies in the face of, first of all, of just, you know, reality, that pakistan has not been all that helpful. >> and by the way, that prime minister is not the biggest power in pakistan. >> he's not. but having said all of that, what that said to me was that despite what he says tonight and
even especially on the campaign trail, behind the scenes, when he thinks of himself as a president and as a diplomat, he thinks he can fix things by charming even the most evil people. now, i'm not saying that that is going to work. that could be a big problem with putin and so forth. but i think it really gave us a window into what he's really willing to do -- >> interesting. let's play -- he talked about foreign leaders tonight. let's listen. >> over the last two weeks, from our victory, i've spoken to many foreign leaders, and i will tell you, they have such respect for us. they all tell me how this was amazing. they all tell me how they sat in their magnificent rooms in different countries throughout the world, these are the leaders, the prime ministers, the presidents, all of them, how they sat in their magnificent rooms, watching in wonderment
and hearing how people came to vote that didn't vote in 20 years. people came to vote that haven't voted before. and they had trump shirts on and make america great hats on, and they had buttons falling off. and they thought it was amazing. and honestly, one of them told my, i truly respect the united states again because of what happened. >> it was interesting in that pakistan readout, there was no comment about what the pakistan prime minister allegedly said. it was all allegedly what donald trump had said. >> you know, i'll say this about pakistan, there is such -- >> i'm happy to be done. >> i was waiting for gergen. >> i think meeting with pakistani leaders are very important. >> donald trump tweeted in 2006 that they're not an ally.
in fact, here's the tweet. pakistan is not our friend. we've given them billions and billions of dollars and what? >> that tweet may have said that, but they have been an ally. that doesn't mean they're not an ally. they're a nuclear power and they've always been very responsive to america. and the you look at what's been on, it's a very difficult country, because what's happening in afghanistan has poured over -- >> you can make an argument their intelligence service hasn't been supportive of america -- >> it's not a real structured government the way we think of a type of government -- >> but their intelligence services have had a hand in the taliban. >> not to mention turning a blind eye to -- >> so why are we going to tell them when we're coming after osama, right? >> look, i think it is perfectly normal to look around and give people a blank slate.
and we're starting fresh, right? and then the minute you get in trouble, go sideways, that's when you would begin to have problems. >> but there's this tenant in politics, there's no permanent allies, just permanent interests. donald trump works in the opposite direction. permanent allies and doesn't seem to have permanent interests. he didn't really articulate strong foreign policy positions over the course of the campaign. so he gets on the phone with leaders in pakistan and has a casual conversation with them, tells them things they want to hear. when he had this conversation with steve backup, he said that he sort of changed his mind, which speaks to the fact that people can turn his head if they're the last ones to speak to him. and this is different. this is potentially problematic, but it is very much different. >> let's hold that thought. there's a reason why donald trump spoke in ohio tonight. it's one of several rust belt states that helped push him across the finish line and win the presidency. he made that very clear to the
crowd tonight and they certainly returned the love. randi kaye talked to some of them this afternoon. >> we're going to be on the first of the victory tour. that's why i'm here. >> reporter: for most of the people at this so-called thank you tour, so far, so good. what's impressed you so far? >> impressed me? his perseverance, his attitude. the fact that he's just worked tirelessly is certainly a credit, i think, to what he's going to be able to do going forward. >> how would you say the transition is going so far? >> i think he's doing great. he's just like a worldaholic. >> reporter: what has impressed you so far about donald trump since he was elected? >> just his composurcomposure, acting very presidential like. >> reporter: everyone we spoke here is in awe of how quickly donald trump is pulling together his cabinet. >> glad to see he's had a couple of women on there. >> his cabinet is likely to be one of the wealthiest cabinets in modern history. can you relate to that?
>> personally, no! >> reporter: is that okay with you? >> but i'm trusting that i really do believe that he's picking the a plus plus people that he says. the people that are the most educated in the field and that will do the job that he wants done. >> yeah, they're billionaires, but they're smart with their money. we're going to be smart with america's money. it only makes sense to me. >> reporter: while trump appears to be considering naming mitt romney secretary of state, these supporters are a lot less forgiving. should donald trump pick mitt romney has secretary of state? >> i don't know. the thing he said about him, i don't know. he has to be really forgiving to be able to pick him, but i don't think so. >> who would you like? >> giuliani. i like him. >> that's a big no on mitt romney. i supported mitt four years ago, you know, but the way he was bad mouthing trump, no. no way. >> reporter: trump supporters like what they see in the
president-elect, especially his get-it-done attitude. but they haven't forgotten that more than half of those who voted did not choose their candidate. >> everybody has a choice. we were all given that and some people make bad choices and some people make good choices. and i think i made an excellent choice and i'm proud of it. >> they're going to be impressed. they're going to be trump supporter supporters because he's going to prove he's going to get the economy going again. he is going to build a wall. it's going to happen. >> everyone here believes trump will deliver on his promises, especially the one he made to help people like them. >> what will he do for someone like you? >> i have a small business and when he said he was going to cut that down to half, 15%, that's -- >> the tax? >> it's going to help, tremendously, it's going to help me. >> what do you want to say to the voters who didn't vote for donald trump today? >> give the man a chance, he's going to be one of the greatest we've ever had. >> randi joins us from
cincinnati. seems a lot -- pretty much everyone you talked to said, give him a chance. >> absolutely, anderson. i mean, they all think he's going to surprise everyone pb and that's mainly because he's an outsider, he's not a politician, he's different. they believe that he's going to deliver on all of his promises. they believe he's going to unite the country. i went through that crowd and over and over gagain, i asked every single person i talked to today, what do you want to say to those voters who did not vote trump? even their friends and family, who many tell me have stopped talking to them, they're now pleading with them to give donald trump a chance. they believe that he's going to deliver, and as i said, will surprise everyone. >> surprise a lot of people just by winning. we'll see. randi, thanks very much. just ahead, torhe other big new a deal he made to keep a thousand jobs from leaving the plant. we'll have details on the deal, next. almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a rodent ride-along. [dad] alright, buddy, don't forget anything! [kid] i won't, dad...
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remember, there's really two big stories tonight. the rally in cincinnati, president-elect's -- the president-elect's second speech today, but earlier, and that's the other big story, he visited a carrier factory in indianapolis and spoke about the deal he cut to keep the company from shipping more than a thousand jobs to mexico. carrier is going to receive millions in financial incentives, and trump can now say he has made good on a campaign promise. it's obviously great news for the workers who are going to get to keep their jobs. martin savidge joins us now with new details on the deal. very welcome news in indiana. what's the latest on it? >> absolutely welcome news. in fact, most of the people, even those whose jobs were saved is say they still can't believe that their jobs, saved. i mean, it is unprecedented in the minds of folks here. but essentially, donald trump, president-elect, shows up and he's with mike pence, the vp-elect, who's also the governor of indiana and they arrive and go out to the carrier plant. of course, they're treated to what is essentially a hero's welcome there. they're led around the plant by
a hand-picked group of employees. but it was still all smiles. it was still picture-taking and essentially, it was a deal that now apparently $7 million is going to be coming from the state of indiana, spread over ten years. donald trump says that carrier is investing $16,. remember, they were going to shut the whole place down. and then there are the jobs saved. but the most remarkable thing was that donald trump seemed to imply in his speech, that even he didn't think he could save the plant. here's what he said. >> they played my statement and i said, carrier will never leave, but that was a oeuphemis. i was talking about carrier like all other companies from here on in. because they made the decision a year and a half ago. but he believed that was, and i could understand it, i actually said, i didn't make it -- when they played that, i said, i did make it, but i didn't mean it quite that way. >> reporter: in other words, he was sort of saying, well,
carrier is an example. he didn't know people were going to take him literally, but they did and he decided to act on it and here we are to the results. >> what more are you learning about the deal itself? >> well, we still don't know a lot about this deal, as far as the details. i sort of alluded to what the financial incentives were in the state of indiana and also what carrier is giving in return. numeralically, there are some issues here. donald trump said in his speech there were about 1,100 jobs saved. it turns out it was probably more like 800 jobs that were saved. 300 he was referring to were probably never going to move in the first place. but 800 jobs. these are going that were going to vaporize. he managed through some deal that we don't know to keep 800 jobs. and you cannot downplay how significant that is, especially here. especially when you know that there are families behind every one of those jobs. so the consequences are thousands of people who are going to have a very happy holiday that not that long ago,
they thought it was the >> yeah. >> remarkable, really. >> not only their family members but keeping their families in place in the community. martin savidge, thank you and to the panel. >> no question. look, this was a very good day for donald trump. i think even his biggest opponents would say that political opponents would say that because he was able to do something in an incredibly unorthodox way. people are going to criticize him for the way he handled it, because it was unpresidential, as he said. but he was able to get something done. can it be replicated? unclear because this company has defense contracts, you know, contracts with the government that they were clearly worried that they were going to lose, who he explicitly said that to them, we don't know. it's unclear how much he can replicate it. >> the parent company -- >> united technologies and they have billions of dollars in
revenue that comes from the federal government. so that aside, this is symbolic. it is real. it is real people's lives and it is something that, you know, that he should be applauded for, period. >> it also playing into the narrative which is the narrative that donald trump talked about on the campaign trail, which is i am a deal maker and i want to relook at deals and rethink deals. >> a lot of the criticism from the left is from the corporate welfare. and so it's reported about $7 million in tax breaks but when you break that down over ten years and the number of people, we're actually not talking about that much money and it is the kind of welfare i think that a lot of liberals would think about supporting because if we're going to talk about saving people's jobs so you're not giving them handout, they are going to keep their jobs, their dignity and have a purpose and it's going to cost us relatively very little money if you break it down over ten years. >> listen, bernie sanders had a piece in "the washington post" today that's been quoted all
day. i don't recall him writing such a piece when president obama intervened and saved the automobile industry. there's a lot of hypocrisy on this issue. >> hypocrisy from democrats? >> yes, from democrats on this. i think president obama deserved credit for helping save the automobile industry. it's one of the big accomplishments. let's go on to how important this was. it's not that the number of jobs per se, it's rather the powerful message it sends to, working people in this country. >> exactly. >> very important messages, i'm on your side. i'm on your side. and that's what seems smart politically, to build up a following. >> it's also not only, i'm on your side but there's a possibility of hope and there is a possibility. >> that's right. but in the depression, franklin roosevelt could not get us out of the depression but he built a bridge of hope across the
valley. >> you've identified that as one of the important things. >> right. you're sending a message to this constituency that voted for you that i can do things, i can take action. and that, to me -- one of the things that fdr was heralded for was his first 100 days where it was action, action, action. this is what donald trump is all about. as i've said many times here, you can't possibly build the kind of business he's built without taking action. you just don't sit there and think about things. you do things. that's his m.o. here and he just showed it. democrats need to learn from this, not poo-poo it. this guy is a master showman. my father was a salesman. he used to say facts tell but stories sell. president obama takes off and unemployment in indiana is dropped to 4.4% and loses
indiana in reelecti-election. hillary, his successor, loses michigan. why? statistics and broad policy and the people but not people. and i'm telling you, i am trump's most biggest krit tecri democrats need to listen to this. >> hillary clinton on the campaign trail standing on a -- >> she was at an amway terminal and a democrat who voted against nafta, and i voted against nafta and i think there was a great thematic here that these jobs weren't just disappearing, they were going to mexico. and that's the anti-nafta battle cry that any worker in america, that's what they say. 200 counties in america that barack obama won, hillary clinton lost and donald trump won.
and that goes back to what you're talking about, paul. >> van? >> i was in a couple of those counties in ohio that had gone obama twice and then voted for trump and one of the things that was present for union families who saw themselves as democrats who voted for trump was that in their counties, these closings were happening. these factories being closed and not just closed but knocked to the ground and nothing there but grass when for their whole lives these monstrous structures have been there and there was a hurt there that was not spoken to. >> it deadens communities. we've all been in town for the downtown was just dead. you know, it's -- >> and i was struck by listening to paul talk about the fact that democrats don't know how to talk and i'm thinking about your candidate, bill clinton. >> bill clinton knew how. >> let's take a quick break on this. we'll have a lot more with our panel ahead.
before the break, van jones referenced he's been traveling around ohio for the last few days. it's for a piece that airs next week on "360." let's take a look. >> you couldn't vote for hillary clinton. >> we put democrats in office and she turned around and forgot completely about us. we are what makes this world go around. we built the tachx anks and bom that built this country's war and for you to come through here and completely neglect us, we would have rather have voted for anybody instead of her and all the other stuff that donald said didn't seem to make a hill of beans. she heard us and that's what it is. >> van, those images, that's exactly what you were -- >> those families, the
heartbreak and the pain and frustration of having been abandoned tuesday night you're going to hear from the families directly and you're going to be surprised, the stereotype about trump voters, there are some that you might be mad at but not those trump voters. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts now. >> this is the moment. this is our chance. this is our window for action. this is the hour when the great deeds can be done and our highest hopes can come true. we're going to do it, folks. we're going to do it. >> a raucous rally, cheering crowds, not business as usual for a president-elect. tonight's rally comes after his visit to carrier's plant in indianapolis and this promise. >> the