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even before taking office the president-elect of the united states of america has in one phone call potentially changed more than three decades of a practice. >> trump speaking by phone with the president of taiwan which is something that no american president has done in nearly 40 years. >> if there was an expressway to cause a diplomatic war with china this would be the way to do it. >> president obama is fully aware of these issues on an ongoing basis because he's on the other end of the phone.
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>> united states does not recognize taiwan as a country. >> the chinese will see this as their sovereignty. ♪ good morning. and welcome to saturday. we're always so grateful for your company. i'm christi paul. >> hey, i'm martin savidge. i'm excited to be here. i'm in for victor. it's great to be with you. president-elect trump shaking it up in washington. what do you know, it appears he's doing just that before stepping into office. >> uh-huh. yesterday, he chatted on the phone with the president of taiwan, breaking with nearly 40 years of u.s. diplomatic relations with china. overnight, china is calling this, quote, a shenanigan, quote, staged by taiwan. they went on to talk about the close and political and economic
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security ties that exist between taiwan and the u.s. that's according to the statement there. >> but no president or president-elect, for that matter has spoken directly with the leader of taiwan since 1979. america has to withhold its one china policy in that they ask taiwan part of china. >> we'll talk about what could be involved here. steven joins us live from beijing. thank you very much. what did you think about it when you heard about the call and the explanation behind it? >> well, christi, a spokesman just issued a statement saying that the taiwan government has lodged a protest. meaning the trump team, the statement goes on to say, i quote here, i must point out there is only one china in the
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world and taiwan as part of the territory, we urge the revolution side in the u.s. to adhere to the one china policy abide by the pledges in the three joint china/u.s. relationships. now, this is the ministry statement. earlier on saturday, the ministry, the foreign minister himself made some remarks on this controversial phone call as well. and here's what he said. he said it was a shenanigan by the taiwan side. it won't at all change the one china structure that the international community has agreed upon. i don't think it will change the one china policy that the u.s. administrations have adhered to over the years. so, christi, so far, the chinese government seems to be giving the trump team the benefit of the doubt by putting the blame on taiwan for this very sharp reach of diplomatic practice.
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taiwan and other people in the world are trying to figure out this blunt call was it because of the trump's inexperience in the policy. or was it something more significant signaling a major policy shift by the incoming white house. i think it's going to take them some time to figure out. that's why, in the meantime, they're walking a very fine line by making this displeasure known without throwing the whole situation into total chaos before mr. trump even takes office. >> thank you so much. >> let's talk about this with cnn reporter eugene scott and reporter for talking points, lauren fox. eugene, let me start with you, phone call, protocol blunder or something more than that? >> well, i definitely think it's notable. this is something that we previously reported that is not common that hasn't happened in nearly 40 years but what will
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happen remains to be seen. i think we saw people from trump's team suggest they would like to see warmer relationships with taiwan during a trump administration. how they will go about that remains to be seen. they certainly believe that it's possible to do that without compromising the u.s.' relationship with china, specifically, beijing. but the details regarding how that will happen haven't been made available. >> lauren, trump senior adviser kellyanne conway was asked about the call on "anderson cooper 360." listen to what she said. >> it's a matter of the executive committee. it's a matter of the president-elect. the vice president-elect, other advice to the transition making suggestions. it was a great process to make sure there's plenty of time for this phone call and that there's proper briefing. he at least is having these private conversations giving a readout here and then about
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them. but not trying to make policy and not trying to make waves until he's actually the president in 6 1/2 weeks. >> so, lauren, as you hear there, she says this is private conversation, they're not making policy. what do you think? >> well, i think by having this phone call, you are in a way realigning policy. or at least realigning the way things have been done for the past four decades. so, that may not have been the intention. i think it's very unclear what the intention was in this phone call. whether or not this was just a conversation. whether this signals some kind of future warming with relations there. but whatever it was, it certainly has made the chinese very concerned. we saw that statement from the foreign minister's office. and i think that's going to be something to watch for. i'm not sure if china is going to embrace u.s. and taiwan's relationship warming over the next few years. >> clearly -- >> definitely, yeah. >> eugene, trump also tweeted -- actually, here's what he tweeted last night.
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he said, quote, interesting. u.s. and taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment but i should not accept a congratulatory call? he's got a point there. he sells military weapons to taiwan that effectively could be used against china to defend taiwan. and yet a phone call is considered much more of a breach of protocol. how is that? >> yeah, the one china policy is kind of vague and unclear and open for interpretation for some developing countries but what seemed to be consensus was that this type of phone call was not something that u.s. presidents or pretsidents-elect would be doing. people who are on the economic side of advising saw a relation shep with china and donald trump has campaigned on policy ideas that already put that at risk. and this could further complicate the relationship with
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the country. >> lauren, i believe it was the former u.s. ambassador christopher hill. he had some tough words about trump. >> eight years during the reagan administration this never happened. four years during the bush senior administration it's never happened. eight years of clinton. eight years of george w. bush, and eight years of obama. so this was a real break. obviously, it's an example of what is all too often happening now with incoming administration is the tendency to wing it. what i'm concerned about rather than acknowledge of the state, they will double-down on it. >> so, here's trump, apparently, acting as trump does. he came into the whole campaign to shake things up. he was not going to follow the status quo. so what's wrong with trump in the way of handling this? again, it's a phone call. >> well, i think it's unclear at
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this moment, whether or not this was a blunder whether he wasn't prepared. obviously, his compare staff said he's ostensibly briefed before his phone calls and they've all gone well. or if he's signaling a change in direction, i think if that's the case that's a huge sign for where u.s./china relations might be headed. but if it's a blunder, we think it's something else entirely. or it might have been intentional, it may not have been. i think there's still unanswered questions there. >> eugene scott and lauren fox, thank you very much for joining us. thank you. a near mistrial in a controversial murder trial. a jury deadlocked in the case of a former south carolina cop accused of gunning down a black man. why at least one juror, we now have learned, is refusing a conviction. drywall into my mercedes-benz metris. to get 60 sheets of drywall into my small van, i invented the fold-o-matic 5000.
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12 minutes past the hour right now. deliberations in the murder trial of a black man shot and killed by a former charleston, south carolina, police officer will continue on monday now because the jury just could not come to a unanimous decision yesterday. >> there is one juror who has come forward and said he simply can not vote in favor of the conviction. telling the judge, quote, i will not change my mind. unquote. here's cnn's boris sanchez. >> an intense back and forth between a jury and judge. the jury requesting testimony to review from the judge then minutes later telling the judge it would be difficult if not impossible to come to a consensus. at that point, the judge issuing an allen charge.
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to telling them to go back into deliberation it was their duty to come to a decision within five weeks of trial. they couldn't. they came back with three separate notes for the judge. one from one judge saying he couldn't in all conscious convict michael slager. but also could not look into the eyes of walter scott's family and tell them the manna killed their father and brother was innocent. after that the judge sent them back one more time after potentially to reach a consensus. they came back and asked for the trial to be postponed until 9:00 a.m. monday. the judge conceded allowing them more time. then we hurts from walter scott's family and attorney to the public that had a very emotional message. >> what a day. long. but important. because you'll remember walter scott was murdered laying down with holes in his back, dying.
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unable to utter a word. but today, he did all of his speaking. all of this deliberation, all of the back and forth, never giving up by the jury, trying to find justice is walter scott speaking. his voice reminding us that we will get justice in this. >> a very powerful message there. we get back to work at 9:00 a.m. on monday. the jury has three options, 30 years to life, voluntary manslaughter, anywhere from 2 to 30 years and not guilty. or we could see a mistrial and this whole thing would have to start in a couple of weeks. martin and christi. >> just ahead, we'll talk to donald trump supporters. we spoke to them before the election. we talk about what we think tipped the popular vote away from donald trump. ♪
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you'll remember during the course of the presidential campaign, we spoke with a group of donald trump supporters to learn more about why they felt so passionately about it. >> well, this week, "new day" anchor alisyn camerota circled back with them to focus on the popular vote number and the widespread voter fraud. take a listen. >> they didn't even vote. voting is a privilege in this country. and you need to be legal not in california where 3 million illegals voted. >> let's talk about that. >> i'm glad i brought that up, alisyn. >> me, too, carla. where are you getting your information? >> from the media. some of it cnn, i believe.
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>> cnn said 3 million illegal people voted? >> that's coming across the media. of course, if cnn didn't do it, then they were being smart this time. >> do you think that 3 million people voted? >> i believe in california there were illegals that voted. >> how many? >> i don't know. to tell you the truth, nobody knows. >> do you think three dozen or -- >> i think there was a good amount. the president said i can vote. i'm here illegally. >> did you hear president obama say that illegal people could vote? >> that's ridiculous. >> tell me, where. >> google it. you can find it on facebook. >> hold on, i don't want to waste anymore time. anyway, i see where it came from. fox business network deceptively edited a clip to say that president obama urged voting by illegals. there's nothing of the sort. you go back to say millions of
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illegal people voted in this country. you believe that there was widespread voting abuse? >> i think there was in some states. >> millions of people? >> california allows it. >> you mean voter fraud, california allows? >> i believe there is voter fraud in this country. >> alisyn's study examined tens of millions of votes over a decade. they failed to turn up any widespread voter fraud. they did find across several dates but isn't statistical enough to point out. new information this morning on the hacking allegations during the election season. we'll tell you why democrats want that new information declassified. next.
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for the first time since destructive wildfires swept through tennessee this week, some residents are getting a chance to return home, if that home is still there. >> for many, this is all that's left here. take a look here. the wildfires around gatlinburg obviously damaged. or just destroyed hundreds of structures. at least 13 people have died. that number could rise as firefighters are still searching through all of that rubble. >> dozens of people are now living in shelters. some going through everything, trying to find the positive amid
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so much destruction. >> it's a new start. it may be something that everybody needed. and i was talking to one in church last night, i asked them, why, why did this happen? and her and i both pretty much at the same time said because it brought everybody together from all walks of life. >> for more information on how you can help those people in the tennessee wildfires, just head to and thank you for doing so. a student in custody after a university of southern california professor was killed on campus. police say the student attacked the professor with a knife yesterday. >> the detectives say the suspect was arrested and the professor was targeted and there was not a general threat for the campus. >> visitation is planned for that professor on monday. ♪
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and i see just about half past 6:00 a.m. on a saturday morning. you're up early. but we're glad that you are. i'm christi paul. >> and i'm martin savidge in for victor blackwell. donald trump is scheduled to have a quiet weekend at trump tower this weekend. no meetings. no events. the day after he set off alarm bells in washington because he took a phone call from taiwan's president. that is the first phone contact between a u.s. president, or president-elect, and a taiwanese leader since the u.s. and china established diplomatic relations way back in 1979. that one move could undo four decades of u.s. protocol on taiwan. and it risks infuriating china with one china policy which claims that taiwan is part of china. trump tweeted after. interesting how the u.s. sells taiwan billions of dollars on military equipment but i should
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not accept a congratulatory call. china released this statement, we urge the revolution side of the u.s. to adhere to the one china policy abide by the pledges in the three joint china-u.s. communiques and handle issues related to taiwan carefully and properly. democrats are asking president obama to declassify intelligence after new information specifically to help donald trump win. cnn's jim sciutto has details now. >> christi, we are learning there's new information that russia's election-related hacking is believed to have been intended to help spear the election to donald trump. democrats now want president obama to make this information public. >> reporter: democratic senators are pressing the obama administration to more forthrightly state that russia's
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meddling in the u.s. election was intended to help donald trump. multiple sources tell cnn. the democratic pressure comes after multiple sources with knowledge of the investigation tells cnn that the u.s. intelligence community is increasingly confident that russian hacking was intended to steer the election toward trump. rather than to simply undermine the political process. the sources, however, do not see the new information as significantly changing the intelligence agency's understanding of russian motives since the democratic party was the principal party of the hacks. seven democrats on the intelligence committee wrote president obama insisting such intelligence should be, quote, declassified and released. the letter did not specify what the new information was. senator angus king signed the letter. >> i think the story of russia's involvement in this election is the biggest story in the decade. >> reporter: congressman sheehan
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who serves on the house intelligence committee wants to see more information public, specific to russia's part. >> and maybe tipping it in favor of mr. trump and away from secretary clinton. >> reporter: but officials downplayed the event. one month before the election, the intelligence community publicly declared they were, quote, confident the russian government directed compromises of e-mails from u.s. persons and institutions including from u.s. political organizations. noting document dumps from the websites and wikileaks which targeted the democratic community. however the intelligence community has not publicly indicated that russia's intent was to help donald trump over the election. james clapper told congress he
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expects russian hacking to continue. >> i don't anticipate a significant change in russian behavior. russians have a very active and aggressive capability to conduct information operations. so-called hybrid warfare. >> reporter: in his annual address to parliament yesterday, russian president vladimir putin dismissed the claims as myths. reached by cnn, a trump ally said, quote, this is nothing more than sour grapes from partisan democrats upset that hillary clinton lost. to be clear, however, democratic lawmakers are telling cnn they're not concerned who won the election. the election is behind them but the integrity of the u.s. electoral process going forward. christi. >> ben ferguson cnn political contributor with us now. and a. scott bolden, thank you,
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gentlemen for being with us. >> thank you, good morning. >> good morning to you as well. you heard jim saying democrats are looking at this saying, anything is unchanged. what does this do, if anything? when we look ahead at other forward-thinking elections, elections that are coming up, obviously, in, say, the next two years even. a. scott bolden, i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i think it's important for the integrity of the election. i also think the voters, the american electorate needs to know. the thing about the hacking and planning fake stories is important but what's amazing both democrats and republic casses are outraged in meddling in the election. we need to know it and learn
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from it and put in stronger defenses so that foreign hacking into our election system simply cannot lie going forward in the next couple years. >> ben, does this information shape how donald trump will relate to or exchange with russia? >> well, it can. but i also think a lot of us is just trying to rewrite the election that donald trump didn't really win it. and this is being influenced that russia wanted him to win. look, if russia is trying to meddle in our elections, everyone should want to know about that. it's become political. the reality is, it doesn't affect americans after the election. there's no indication that russia had a massive influence or even minimal influence on the election. i think it's time to move on past this and accept donald trump as the president and let's get down to issues that matter to america. >> christi, i'll take the politics out of it. i'll say i'll accept donald
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trump as the president-elect of the united states of america. i'm still concerned about russian meddling. they certainly weren't meddling to help the democrats. they were meddling to help the nominee donald trump. i got that part. take the politics out of it. we ought to all be working together. >> ben? >> you just put the politics in it by saying they tried to help elect donald trump. we don't know that, that's an accusation. >> let me ask you this, gentlemen, scott, what chance do you think that any of this will be declassified at the end of the day? >> i can't say whether it will be declassified or not. i certainly support it to be declassified box the american people have a right to know that russia is meddling into this election or not meddling. we have a right to inform voters if you will. i don't think it will change the outcome. i don't really think it can. but we have a right to know.
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because this is a foreign policy issue, international issue that democrats and republicans want to come together on. so far, republicans want to make politics out of it and the democrats want to get to the bottom line. >> listen. >> so one year ago, november, 202 2015, we proposed this. even before the accusations of hacking. only now, they send us a proposal to come back to this, fine, we are ready. >> ben, your reaction? >> yes, look, i think this is an issue of the majority of americans that voted were not influenced by russia. and this idea that russia really cares about cybercrimes or anything, this is pretty absurd. we know they're involved in it. we know they're involved in hacking. america should do everything they can to protect itself from hacking. but at the end of the day, it's
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time to move on and putting this information out there, it may actually help the russians than anybody because they'll know how we protect ourselves in what they were trying to do. maybe get information of our government. it's time to move past this. >> let's move on to the taiwan issue that we're all watching this morning. help us understand, help our viewers understand, why this phone call between donald trump and taiwan's president could be a diplomatic problem with regard to u.s. relations, scott? >> it's broadly based. it is problematic, for the first time in 40 years at least that we know about that an american president-elect has taken a call from taiwan. we also know that donald trump has labeled china a bad actor and going to go after them on number of plate issues so it's problematic. it's problematic in the way china responds to it. not just taking the congratulatory call.
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i think he knows exactly what he's doing. it's driven by his narcissistic mentality, he wants to be congratulated. >> donald trump is not the first person to make a quote. some people calling it a mistake. let's listen to george w. bush. >> i have said i'll do what it takes to help taiwan defend herself, and the chinese need to understand that. secondly, i certainly hope taiwan adheres to the one china policy. and a declaration of independence is not the one china policy. and we will work with taiwan to make sure that doesn't happen. >> i want to read real quickly to you something that an official -- part of the official statement from the foreign ministry of china spokesman today said, i must point out there is only one china in the world. and taiwan is an inseparable part of the chinese territory. the people is a sole part of china and that's an
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internationally recognized fact. does that statement not tell you in some way that this phone call has affected china, and that perhaps they are a bit on the defense, wanting to remind you that what one china is? >> look. i think there's one thing that we need to be clear about. some people saying this phone call was a massive oops. barack obama has sold weapons to taiwan to defend itself against china if it was ever attacked. so did george bush. so did back in the day, going all the way back to jimmy carter. so a phone call is not going to start a war. some people imply that this is going to put national security at a risk. it's not. we've been selling weapons to taiwan including barack obama hundreds of millions of dollars worth of weapons. second is this, china always has fake outrage. and their media and readers
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always overreact in public opinion. it's normal for these statements to come out from them. donald trump knowses there trade issues and he wants a better deal with china. if you start toalking to taiwan it gives you leverage you that don't have. when you add all of those together, take a phone call from taiwan was a well-planned decision by them. i don't think this was an accident or oops. and it's been since 1978 since a president talked to them. it was about time this phone call was made. >> ben ferguson, scott bolden, i've run out of time. thank you for being here. the trump pick for secretary of education is under fire. some say why the nomination of betsy devos would be a wrong move. diabetes can be a daily struggle,
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president-elect donald trump taking the weekend off to spend some time with his family. it is expected -- he's expected to get back to work selecting the cabinet for his new administration. >> i'm sure he's hot on the job. the president-elect has already filled a few cabinet spots. the latest being general james matos as secretary of defense. so far, he's been criticized for lack of diversity in the picks and for the number of millionaires and billionaires that he's appointed. many of his cabinet picks are being scrutinized, betsy devos. >> educators on both sides of the aisle say devos' push for
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target schools just hasn't worked for kids in michigan. here's sara ganim. >> reporter: president-elect trump said that betsy devos would be the person to make that happen. >> she's not into this because she's looking for a condo for eight years in washington. >> mrs. devos and the president-elect both believe that we should be reducing the footprint of the federal government. >> reporter: betsy devos, an advocate of school choice she's often called an architect of michigan's school system. she has many critics. >> i think about choice without quality. >> reporter: her family has donated millions to political causes and even started its own lobbying group, mostly to promote her educational ideas.
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more school choice, less regulation, and an unlimited number of for-profit charter schools. >> i would be concerned that michigan was the role for the country. i actually think we should be looking at michigan and saying this is what we should not do. >> reporter: nearly half of schools rank in the bottom statewide, 20% were given a "d" or "f" grade. and there's no rule about where charter schools should be placed. so kids like 11-year-old judith shelton often end up going to schools far from home. >> it's somebody else's neighborhood that i'm traveling through while passing three or four other schools and about six or seven closed schools to get to his school in a neighborhood that i don't live in. >> so, in your opinion has choice worked in michigan? >> choice has not worked. it's a joke. especially here in detroit. what we don't have is quality choice in our neighborhoods.
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>> reporter: even the popular charter school founded by the devos family and touted as a proud example of their contribution to education ranked in the bottom third for performance in the state. according to the state department of education but devos supporters say many places in michigan have long struggled with education and that the charter schools have helped. >> i think there's been an actual drummed-up, multiyear effort of the critics of charters in choice. mainly the democratic party and teachers' unions to discredit charters. >> reporter: he said decades of betsy devos will help students. >> we're going to be doing things different in the future than we have in the past and i would say to people hold on to your seats. >> reporter: we tried to talk to betsy devos herself, we were not successful. i did speak to people who
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neighborhood overnight in that city. >> that means that the rebels have lost over 60% of that city. territory they have held since 2012. as the forces advance that means tens of thousands of civilians are fleeing. as many as 20,000 children have left the city in just recent days. here's cnn's fred pleitgen. >> reporter: another day, more violence in aleppo. the youngest suffering the most. this video from the syrian civil defense showing rescuers saving a child after a suspected air strike. the fighting claiming at least 45 lives on wednesday alone, according to monitoring groups. over 30,000 people, mostly children, have been displaced since government forces launched a large-scale offensive making sweeps gains in the east of aleppo the u.n. says. in rome, efforts continue to try and broker some sort of truce
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and liberty in humanitarian aid, u.s. secretary of state john kerry leading sergey lavrov. >> hopefully, in the humanitarian situation can be dealt with in aleppo more effectively. and if indeed, we could create a framework for the passage of people out of aleppo, so that aleppo itself might be able to be relieved from this agony. that could open up the space to perhaps be able to start some kind of conversation in geneva. >> reporter: even as its air force pounds rebel positions russia says it's still committed to a political substitution in syria. >> translator: there is no military solution to the syrian conflict. we supported this position within the framework of the international syria support group. unfortunately, not all of its members who are ready to support this common position that there is no military solution.
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but i am sure it is absolutely clear, anyway, even without formal acceptance of this point of view. >> reporter: in a desperate effort to fend off syrian government troupes, rebel factions in the besieged areas of aleppo has announced a new alliance named the army of aleppo. but their fight remains desperate in the face of an offensive that has already cost the opposition much of the territory it held in aleppo for years. fred pleitgen, cnn, damascus. >> i know, it's tough to watch. please say with us. we'll be right back.
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well, friday, yesterday was a day of tears, a day of remembrance in san bernardino, california. >> crowds gathered after 14 people were killed at a holiday party shot there by a married couple. authorities say that couple was inspired by extremism and had isis sympathy. here's what one observer said at the memorial service honoring the victims. >> i want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart. and i think i speak on behalf of all of my co-workers and their families to extend my sincerest
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appreciation for the community and everyone's support. thank you. >> this is a survive of the san bernardino shooting speaking on the anniversary of the tragedy. we're going to take you to the political arena next. the next hour of your "new day" begins right now. even before taking office the president-elect of the united states of america has in one phone call potentially changed more than three decades of a practice. >> trump speaking by phone with the president of taiwan which is something that no american president has done in nearly 40 years. >> if there was an express way to cause a diplomatic uproar with china, this would be the way to do it. >> president obama is fully aware of these issues on an ongoing basis because he's on the other end of the phone. >> united states does not recognize taiwan as a country. >> the chinese will see this as
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an infringement of their sovereignty. ♪ alrighty. if you're just waking up, just made it to saturday. and i know that feels good. good morning to you. i'm christi paul. >> and i'm martin savidge in for victor blackwell. president-elect trump won on a platform where we promised to shake up washington. and he is doing that. >> yesterday a phone call with taiwan and that exchange breaks more than 40 years of u.s. gloam 34 diplomatic relations with china. the president offered her congratulations and then they went on to, quote, talk about the close security ties that exist between taiwan and the u.s. >> but


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