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top of the hour. 4:00 p.m. eastern. 1:00 p.m. pacific. you are live in the cnn newsroom. we begin with very tragic breaking news. nine people confirmed dead, more than two dozen still missing. this after a fire swept through a late night party in oakland, california. officials on scene say they are preparing for potentially a worse case scenario with as many as 40 people possibly dead in this two-story warehouse. the fire broke out last night around 11:30 p.m. firefighters still though today not able to fully search the entire building because of safety concerns and falling debris.
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>> it's just a task to get through the front door with all the debris and wreckage there. so we're slowly making our way in and we have to go systemically because any missed step on the part of our people could mean they get injured or fall through a floor or have something fall on top of them. >> let's bring in dan simon there in oakland where this all broke out. what is the latest from authorities dan? do they have any leads on what could have started this? >> reporter: well, poppy, first of all, it's our understanding that some fire crews as well as personnel from the coroner's office have gotten into the building and now have the grim task of removing the bodies. you can see these tents behind me and some of the sidewalls, that's to prevent the bodies from being seen by the public. a horrifying situation. this broke out at 11:30 at night. in terms of the cause, we're not really getting much information. we know that this building was approximately a 10,000 square
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foot warehouse. this was an artist studio and some people live here as well. and they got together for probably what's being described as a holiday celebration. there was live music and then the flames just spread so quickly, poppy, that folks just had a really hard time getting out. we're hearing some stories of people actually jumping from the second floor window. people had been up there, perhaps as many as 100 people at this party and of course the statistics are terrible. talking about nine confirmed dead and as many as 25 people reported missing. >> what are they saying about the missing people? i know in the press conference last hour they said a lot of these people were not taken to the hospital. they cannot find them. are they increasingly believing that they were indeed killed or just that they have not been able to locate them or contact them? >> reporter: well, they're being very cautious in what they're saying. at this point let's just be clear, they're saying nine
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people dead, 25 missing. in terms of the people who got out, they weren't injured, poppy. they didn't have to take them to the hospital. so if they got out, they were safe. if they didn't get out, they probably died. that's what authorities are trying to figure out, trying to assess the situation. remember, it was difficult for them to get into that building at first. it was deemed unsafe. they've shored it up and now feel comfortable going in and remove all the bodies and hopefully give us an update in the next few minutes. >> dan, thank you very much, reporting for us in oakland. bring us more when you have it. joining me is the deputy fire chief in georgia for their fire and rescue services. thank you very much for being with me. if you could give me the assessment of what the firefighters are dealing with right now given all of the falling debris, the fact that the structure is very unstable right now. so difficult that the head of the fire department said they're
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having an incredibly hard time even at this hour getting their people inside to finish this search operation. >> yes. and every search is done in a real systemic manner and making sure the building is safe is at the top and utmost priority and getting that information to assure that building is safe is a challenge and it appears to be a challenge in this case also. it all goes down to gathering that information and assessing it properly to make sure everyone is safe while they do the search. >> local media reports say the firefighters, some had to take what's called the defensive position when they arrived. what does that mean? >> well, defensive position is a term used to refer to attack in the fire from an outside position. safe position. outside of the hot zone. the hot zone is the area of immediate danger. sometimes it's high capacity
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hand lines or high capacity aerial lines. so it's basically no one in the immediate fire area. that's what's meant by a defensive mode of operation. >> we know that there are -- well, we know just looking at county records here that there were indeed building violations, what they found is that this warehouse had been cited numerous times for illegal interior building structures. some violations as recently as last month. how does that complicate things and do you see things like that often in fires like this? >> well, we do see it often and one thing about it is they're commonly known. i mean if there's a violation, that local fire department usually knows about it and they have already preplanned for it while they are working with the owner to get the violation handled or fixed in some cases.
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our job as the men and women that are actually running the call is to make sure we're safe and the public is safe. we preplan for these structures. >> deputy chief, thank you for your expertise. we appreciate it very much. we'll bring you updates from this tragic fire in oakland as soon as we have them and as soon as we know about those other people missing. we have a lot of head this hour including politics. donald trump's phone call with the president of taiwan raising eyebrows. what is the broader implication and how is china responding? ambassador chris hill joins me next. stay with us.
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welcome back. president-elect donald trump has yet to officially takeoffs but with a single phone call he has up-ended of u.s. diplomatic policy. a phone call yesterday between him and the president of taiwan.
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two of them spoke after she called him. the conversation marks the first time a u.s. president or president-elect has officially spoken to a taiwan leader in nearly 40 years. a sudden break from u.s. policy could do more than ruffle a few feathers. china could potentially damage relations with united states, china filing a formal complaint over the call. let's talk about what it means, the implication with someone who was once charged with over ssee u.s. relations with china. former assistant secretary of state under president george w. bush. thank you for being with me. >> my pleasure. >> you said ambassador, last night to my colleague you see this phone call as quote winging it. kellyanne conway on trump's team says it is anything but. she says trump is well aware of what u.s. policy has been and she said he has been fully briefed. does this phone call suggest to you and the readouts we have
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from both parties that he wasn't fully briefed? >> look, the u.s./china relationship since 1979 has been guided by two elements. one is one china policy that is all official contacts especially at our president's level or in any kind of official context, they need to be done with beijing, with the people's republic of china. the other is the taiwan relation pact and what that does is set out the types of contacts we'll have with taiwan, especially and including arms control sales. so that's how we have done it for some 40 years. that's how ronald reagan did it, bill clinton, that's how everybody has done it until yesterday. >> we know this is not a president-elect or a president like any other. right? he used very tough rhetoric against china on the campaign trail. this action seems to be
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following through with that. donald trump did tweet something in response saying that look, it is the united states, it is this current administration, the obama administration that has sold nearly $2 billion in arms to taiwan. >> correct. >> many of them are defensive arms but does he have a point? >> you know, those armed sales done during the obama administration and the george w. bush administration and the reagan administration, et cetera, are all in the context of the taiwan relations act. nothing new about that. what i think the president-elect is pointing out is something to a lot of laymen looks funny, that we can't say hello to somebody but at the same time we can sell arms. well, that's how it's been set up since 1978. of course, he may want to change that. you pointed out that he had ideas for what to do on the trade relationship. he never talked about changing our one china policy.
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this is something new from yesterday. the question is, is he going to double down on it as some of his surrogates suggest or is he going to take this as kind of what to call it, a gap and move on. i hope it's the latter. >> why is that? i mean, why is it better -- why is the one china policy better right now for this country? >> you know, donald trump has talked about draining the swamp in washington. let me say that u.s./china relations, u.s./taiwan relations have been on dry ground for a long time. there is no problem there. there are problems in north korea, problems in the south china sea, problems on china's trade issues, but there's been no problem on how to square the circle of relations with taiwan and the one china policy. so it's worked. you know, i think the old adage is if it ain't broke, don't fix it. i think that's what i hope will be the upshot of this. the chinese have already tried
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to low-ball it although he complained. but i hope we can move on from this. >> that's not the way though obviously that taiwan and their new relatively new president sees it. obviously, this administration has -- had more of an independence focus than passed. let me ask you this because michael pills bury who served under president reagan and president obama put it this way, we should have warmer tires with taiwan and it could be done without alien ating beijing. he says the zee sum mentality is an old way of thinking. what's ooh your response? >> if someone wants to change how we have done this for 40 years, keep in mind president reagan never bet with the taiwan president or talked directly with the taiwan president. >> that's true. but he did invite a taiwan delegation to an inauguration.
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>> these things have happened but if you want to change this you ought to have some consultation, bring the senate, the congress involved in this. you ought to talk to the state department. there are a lot of things you want to do besides make a phone call. so i think what i worry about more than the actual issue of what happened yesterday is the process. the president is the leader obviously, but he also is presiding over a large government of institutions and professionals who know a lot about how to do these things. i think we have a real process problem here and i hope that when president-elect becomes president, he will have a staff to make sure we don't have problems like this in the future. >> a guest on my show earlier tonight said that essentially they believe that the taiwan president is playing donald trump knowing that the president-elect would take her phone call and she could ruffle feathers and rattle the chinese. do you see it that way? >> i think there's an element of
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that. as you know, the chinese foreign minister said it was taiwan trickery as he put it. i think there's definitely an element of that. i would like to think that when a foreign leader calls the president-elect, there would be some discussion about what the president-elect is going to say. and of course, this call comes in the context of the president-elect talking to the president of the philippines who then said he's been invited to the white house. coming in the same week as talking to the leader in pakistan who suggested that all is well. so i think there are problems as to how these phone calls are being done. i think there's an element of winging it. but again, i don't think it's a faux pas but i don't think it has to be serious unless there's an effort to say this was a real policy change and if it is, this is not the way to change policy. there are plenty of ways and the president will have plenty of time to change policy if he wants to add a crisis with china
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to an already difficult world situation. but i don't think he has to do it by picking up the phone like this. >> let me quickly get your take on one other thing. you said this follows other calls he's had including a call with pakistan's prime minister calling him a terrific guy, saying people of pakistan are fantastic. eluding to and making it seem as though there's a cordial and uncomplicated relationship there where as you know the white house said it's anything but, it is a very complicated relationship as was said this week. does that concern you perhaps even more than this call -- or as much as this call with taiwan's president? >> you know, i think the call with taiwan's president is imbedded in a 40-year history with a country that has a population of some 1.4 billion people. it is the world's second largest power. so i kind of put that in the top
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echelon. the tone of the conversation with pakistan was frankly a little off. but again, it's up to the president if he wants to change the policy to pakistan. but i would suggest a consultation or two within the institutions that we have. you know, we are not a one person rule in the united states. we have a longstanding institutions and by the way, we have people who really know these issues through the decades. >> ambassador christopher hill, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> more on donald trump's phone call with the president of taiwan. but first, heartbreaking suffering of syrian children caught in the midst of this horrific war. we will take you to aleppo where rescuers are pulling children from the rubble of a suspected air strike. you're live in the cnn newsroom. along with diet and exercise, once-daily toujeo® may help you control your blood sugar.
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more on our breaking news. nine people confirmed dead. more than two dozen still missing after the fire swept through a crowded late night party in oakland, california. coming up at the top of the hour we'll hear from the city's mayor set to speak live in just about 40 minutes time. we will bring that to you as soon as it begins. meantime, the syria where government forces in syria, forces of president assad continue to pound rebel held
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neighborhoods with a barrage of air strikes as the u.s. secretary of state john kerry continues to try to negotiate a truce. inside syria, inside the tragedy where the biggest victims of aleppo's violence are its tiny children. >> reporter: another day, more violence in aleppo. the youngest suffering the most. this video from the syrian civil defense showing rescuers saving a child after a suspected air strike. the fighting claiming at least 45 lives on wednesday alone according to monitoring groups. over 30,000 people, mostly children, have been displaced since government forces launched a large scale offensive making sweeping gains in the east of aleppo the u.n. says. in rome efforts continue to try and broker some sort of truce and the delivery of humanitarian aid to the besieged areas.
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u.s. secretary of state john kerry meeting russia's foreign minister. >> hopefully if humanitarian situation could be dealt with in aleppo more effectively, and if indeed we could create framework for the passage of people out of aleppo so that aleppo itself might be able to be relieved from this agony, that could open up the space to perhaps be able to start some kind of conversation in geneva. >> even as its air force pounds rebel positions russia says it's still committed to a political solution in syria. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: there is no military solution to the syrian conflict. we supported this position within the framework of the international syria support group. unfortunately not all of members were ready to support this position, that there is no military solution. but i am sure it is absolutely
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clear anyway even without formal acceptance of this point of view. >> reporter: in a desperate effort to fend off government troops, rebel factions in the besieged areas announced the army of aleppo but their fight is desperate in a face of offensive costing the opposition much of the territory it held in aleppo for years. cnn, damascus. >> thank you very much for that reporting. still to come, china lodging a formal complaint to the united states over president-elect trump's phone call with the president of taiwan. the long term effects of that phone call on the incoming administration and what's the history behind with this 40 years of diplomacy as we've known it? we'll talk about it next.
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a surprising friday phone call ruffling feathers for sure. it is the ten minute phone call president-elect donald trump took from the president of taiw taiwan. how could it impact the person who accepts the secretary of state job in a trump administration? and also, what is the history behind the 40 years of u.s. diplomatic policy with taiwan and the one china policy as we know it. joining me princeton historian and professor and also the author of the fierce urgency of now. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> take us -- give us a history lesson. why is it that the united states can sell billions of dollars in weapons to taiwan but the president-elect isn't supposed to take a phone call from the president? >> during the 1970s we starting with nixon culminating in jimmy carter normalizing relations with china and not recognizing
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taiwan. since the early 1980s there's been efforts to either lend support to taiwan or even sell arms in this way. so we have basically had a two-tract policy but have maintained that policy. >> i had ambassador christopher hill on who obviously was in charge of the diplomatic relations between the countries under george w. bush. why is that the policy believed to work? others have come out in the wake of all of this including michael pillsbury who worked under reagan and george w. bush and obama and said it's not a zero sum game anymore. >> the goal of china has been to normalize relations and hopefully to integrate both countries rather than create an adversarial situation. >> couldn't this be the first step? >> not this way. i don't think people are disputing having different relations with taiwan but doing
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it through the president-elect in a phone call not planned and following up with tweets. i think a big part of this is about the method through which he's doing it and wondering does the president-elect have a strategy? is he being briefed or is it just off the cuff? >> his team says he is. but we know he and his team did not have a call with the state department or the white house beforehand and the china complaint logged about this today went to the obama administration in the white house because he's the current sitting president. any parallels you can draw for us in history that this reminds you of, this phone call reminds you of? >> not from a president-elect. this phone call combined with the tweets that followed it are unusual and they are different. we have had provocative statements or we have had statements that are interpreted as potentially break with policy such as with ronald reagan. but not of this sort. we have seen this several times. >> how different is this from
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ronald reagan. when he was coming into office, he e tenxtended a bit more of ad towards taiwan. why is this so different? >> he went beyond that. he made this contact through the call to him which basically is being perceived as normalization of relations. that's different than the delegation coming. reagan did make many provocative statements. once he was calling the soviet union an evil empire. he had to walk back from that. as president, reagan learned the dangers of this. >> former president george w. bush said something very controversial in an interview on abc about taiwan saying yes we will defend them if needed. >> and early in the administration he had an encounter when a u.s. spy plane went down and there was a dispute with the chinese over how to handle it and it scared
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the administration backing away from the confrontation. the tendency is still toward the diplomatic channels and working within frameworks to change relations rather than aggressive off the cuff changes. >> of course george w. bush's team had to walk that back on subsequent days. we're not seeing that from the trump administration team. >> not so far. >> thank you. we appreciate it. coming up, the hazard lights are flashing on something you're probably not thinking about but you should. subprime car loans. why do you care? because roughly six million borrowers with low credit scores are late on making their payments. are you thinking about the mortgage meltdown? could this be equivalent? why does it matter? some worry the u.s. economy is set for another fall. we'll talk about it all next live in the cnn newsroom. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?
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the u.s. economy may be buzzing along as cnn this week's very strong jobs report, but it wasn't long ago it was dragged into a depression thanks to the mortgage meltdown and the financial crisis. there is another place economists are worried about a similar crisis. really important. not getting nearly enough attention, cars. yes. your cars. i'm talking about auto loans and to give credit where credit is due, john oliver was all over this months ago.
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>> let me take you on a tour of the subprime auto loan industry and starting with so called buy here pay hedealers. their ads make it simple. >> how can we get you finance when others can't? two reasons. first we are the bank. we don't have to send you or your deal anywhere. the second reason we can get you financed is because we don't even look at your credit score. >> of course. in fact, we don't even know what a credit score is. what is a good one, pg-13, 640 on the verbal, 710 on math. 3 under par. is that good? we have got no idea and that's why you should trust us. >> no one like him. but seriously, this is really important. news this week that the hazard lights are flashing on subprime car loans. 6 million borrowers with bad credit score. at least 90 days late making their loan payments according to the new york federal reserve. the highest delinquency rate
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since 2010. cnn money's heather long and peter atwater and author of "moods and markets." thank you for being here. there is your book my friend. heather, let me begin with you. since the end of the great recession there's been this explosion in auto loans over a trillion dollars worth. you say we're in if what should be looked at as the early warning signs. how big of a risk is this to the economy? >> right now people say no. and the reason is simply the size of the market. when we're talking about the home loan market, that's eight times the size of the car market. so it's simply not the same magnitu magnitude. people will remember that alpha bet soup that they would take one locate and pieces of it and it might have eight to ten different people on the other side who were trying to get a piece of that loan. >> and trading it. >> and trade it.
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that's happening a little bit with audit loans but not nearly the level. it's a drop in the bucket in comparison. most people don't think this is going to sink the u.s. economy into a recession because of these auto loans. >> all right. why should we care, peter? why is the new york fed coming out and using words like a pronounced worsening and significant concern? >> so subprime car loans are the worst and they're always made at the very peak and confidence in the cycle. the fact that they're beginning to deteriorate makes them the canary in a bigger coal mine because as we saw in the mortgage crisis, the bad loans to the worst customers always go first. the worst are first. that's what's starting here. to me, this is a hair bin jer of problems to come in the auto loan sector over all and that's a big problem because in this cycle, the auto lenders have been extremely aggressive
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because they think their worst case scenario is what happened to them in the mortgage crisis. >> that's a good point. that isn't necessarily equivalent to what would happen here because, you know, it's a very different than that even though that's a bigger market, there are different richgss here. the ceo of jpmorgan chase said auto is stretched. he said someone is going to get hurt, it won't be us, our bank because we have very little subprime. but he also said as you point out it's not systemic. this is a trillion dollar market versus an eight or nine trillion dollar market however it is a risk to the economy. if you coupled this with all the concerns about outstanding student loan debt? >> it's not too much further away. just in the total loan volume from the student loan crisis. i think the bigger issue here, i said there's two reasons to care. number one is we just had a president who got elected donald trump because of frustration and
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anxiety on the economy. this goes right to the heart of that. when you're talking about six million people who were three months late on their car loan that means that the bank or financial institution had started the process to repossess, to take that car away. what's interesting the two states that have the worst incidence of this are louisiana and mississippi. these are states where it's not like people can take the bus. this isn't new york city where everybody takes the subway. people need the car to get to work and some people live in their cars. there's a sense that when you have this many millions of people who are about to lose a vehicle, we have got a very deep problem in this economy. on a personal, individual level. >> peter, you actually have interesting insight into this. you have said it's unlikely the borrowers will keep paying on a loan when they know their car is worth far less than outstanding. that exacerbates this problem. and you have said that the ride
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sharing evolution, uber et cetera has made this worse. why? >> well, it's made it worse because in this cycle you don't need your car. you can borrow somebody else's. use uber or lift or these other services. i think that the lenders didn't anticipate that. one of the things that is so troubling about this problem is it's outside of the banking system. in fact, i think it's indicative of the fact that in this cycle the problems are not going to be originate within the banks. their going to be within the nonbanks. companies we have never heard of before. organizations we know very little about. even more, organizations that don't have the systemic support of the fed and the occ and the fdic. so this is a situation where the crisis is in places we have never gone to look before. >> that's a scary thought. the crisis is in places we have
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never gone to look before and the mortgage meltdown is in two recent history to forget the lessons learned there. credit to john oliver for being on top of this a long time ago. if you hear an ad that says we don't check your credit score is probably not the best to follow. thank you. we appreciate it. ahead coming up, we hear from the mayor of oakland about that deadly fire that so far has left nine people dead. officials still looking for 25 more missing. we'll bring you that live press conference and up next here, a startling story. young, in love and radicalized. mississippi state cheerleader and her boyfriend committed themselves to isis but ended up behind bars. you're live in the cnn newsroom. jack be nimble, jack be quick, jack knocked over a candlestick onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him
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the fbi saying that the attacker this week at ohio state university may have been inspired by isis or al qaeda. the student was shot and killed by police after he injured 11 meme with his car and a butcher knife. if terrorism is confirmed it will not be the first case linked to a college campus. drew griffin has the exclusive report on a cheerleader and her boyfriend from mississippi state who tried to join isis. >> reporter: just 24 years old
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is at the very start of an eight-year federal prison sentence for trying to join and help isis, a radical muslim extremist? hardly. he's as american as you and me and got into this mess because he fell in love. how did this happen? >> where do you want me to start exactly? >> his friends know him as mo born and raised in mississippi. muslim and non-muslim friends, hit and miss with the ladies until at mississippi state university in his senior year he met and fell head over heels for a mississippi state cheerleader named jaelyn young. >> she was beautiful and things like that. >> she's american, too. and mississippi all the way. but within months mo says jaylen was changing converting to islam, changing her dress. then began introducing mo to the online brand of islam she had
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been learning about. >> this happen sod fast. >> it did. maybe got a little too fast. >> you were in love? >> yes. yeah. >> and she was coming to you right? >> yeah. you know, that love can ultimately blind-outyour intelligence. >> the federal bureau of prisons rarely grants access to convicted felons like mo. this is an exception. an agreement between the department of justice, cnn and mohamed ducklala himself for all to understand just how powerful isis' online propaganda can be. his girlfriend jaelyn young showed mo the videos. the videos did the rest. >> so when she showed me that video i think it's kind of like brought a tenseness in her. i felt those same things i guess
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just because she was feeling it. >> that progressed? >> yeah. it progressed to the point that -- my mind wasn't thinking straight. >> mo, what were you going to do? drop your entire life and run over to a war zone? >> yeah. i mean, when she first looked at these videos, she had, you know, a strong belief that, okay, this is the group to really help out, you know, the muslims rebuild towns, people helping to feed the needy. >> according to the fbi, jaylen young reached out to a contact she thought would help her and mo travel to turkey. across the border into syria and join isis. the two secretly married. began an intensive preparation period. bought one-way plane tickets to
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istanbul. on august 8th, 2015 mo and jaylen packed their bags. he wrote the goodbye letter to his parents. the first lines, i'm sorry, i love you, i've decided to leave and i won't be coming back. they got as far as the boarding gate. >> the moment they arrested you. >> my heart sank. my whole body shut down. >> where it turns out the online isis recruiter who had been helping make arrangements for the couple was in fact an fbi employee. this past summer they both pleaded guilty. mo given an eight year sentence with his cooperation with authorities. jaelyn young the mastermind was sentenced to 12 years refusing to speak to cnn. >> you haven't said her name once. >> yeah. >> you haven't. >> no, i have not. >> he also finds it difficult to speak about the other woman in his life, the woman he wrote this final goodbye to.
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his mother was suffering from cancer at his arrest and died earlier this year. >> that's probably or is one of the biggest regrets that i have in my life still haunts me to this day that i would prefer this woman that i've only been with for under a year and lied to my mother about where i was going. >> his other regret, that in time of confusion especially about his religion he failed to reach out to his dad who would have never taught himself to kill or hurt anyone. >> i wish i had just reached out to my dad. you know, if i had just asked him, he would just ill loom mate me on what was really happen with this group. i feel like i should owe people back to say hey, don't do what i
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did. there's no -- that's not what they're doing over there, what isis is doing over there. >> poppy is not bitter. he says he's glad he was caught. he says if he made it to syria he believes he would now be dead. eight years from now when he leaves prison he'll be 32 years old. poppy. >> remarkable reporting. drew griffin, thank you very much for that incredible. coming up next, much more on our breaking news. nine confirmed dead, more than two dozen still missing after a fire swept through a crowded late night party in oakland, california last night. at the top of the hour the city's mayor set to speak and we'll bring that to you as soon as it begins. first, don't miss the season finale of anthony bourdain parts unknown. uncovering the real rome and reveals a vibrant modern city
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top of the hour. 5:00 p.m. eastern. i'm poppy harlow in new york. you are live in the cnn newsroom. following the breaking news this hour. a city in this shock and mourning after a fire in oakland, california left at least nine people dead. officials worried that the death toll could be much higher. with as many as 40 feared possibly dead after this fast moving blaze spread through a crowd at a party in oakland last nights. oakland's mayor will speak shortly. as soon as it begins we will bring it live of course. this aerial view of the burned warehouse used as the venue for this dance party, nine fatalities again.


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