they dissected the building into quarter quad rants. they found victims in all >> reporter: officials launching a criminal investigation team and a task force to inspect the deadly fire that engulfed this warehouse hosting a party over the weekend. >> it just doesn't seem that that is a fire that is survivab survivable. so the reality for all of us is beginning to set in. >> reporter: of the confirmed dead a teenager and an oakland deputy son. >> this tragedy has hit very close to home. >> reporter: with less than half of the two-story warehouse searched, they fear the worse. >> the number of victims will rise. >> reporter: they are removing debris bucket by bucket. >> our first priority is the humane and compassionate removal of the victims of this tragedy. >> reporter: the warehouse known as the "ghost ship" was an
illegal residence. for hazardous trash and debris and an illegal interior building structure. friday night's electronic dance party, one of many held in the space, operating without a permit when the building quickly erupted in flames. >> i broke my ankle, i need you to pull me out. >> reporter: one survivor, an artist who used the space describes the horrifying moment he had to leave his friend behind. >> i wasn't able to pull him out and the fire was getting too hot and the smoke was getting too bad and i had to leave him there. >> reporter: officials are saying some of the victims are easily identifiable if they had their i.d. on them. fingerprints, dental records, but others, they're not easy to identify, so they're asking family members to hold on to something that may have had their dna like a toothbrush or
hairbrush and set it aside in a clean, paper bag. eight of the people have been identified and we can actually show you who two of the young people were. donna kellogg 32 years old died in the fire, as did travis hough he was 35 from oakland. very slow going identifying people even though they know 33 people lost their lives it shows you how hot and how deadly this fire was. >> what a gut wrenching scene there, stephanie. we'll check back with you throughout the program. we will have more on the story, including live interview with the survivor and a friend of six people who are still missing this morning. let's turn to politics now. we are seeing a familiar pattern that has taken on a much more troubling context. the president-elect reached out and had a communication with taiwan. this was very controversial, you know this. then china responded. now upon hearing that china was less than positive on this, donald trump has done what he has done most effectively in
this campaign. he has doubled down and now has a series of tweets going after china and what china's actions have been. not only is this a breach of diplomatic protocol, but raises big questions on how the president-elect will deal with international disputes. cnn's jessica schneider is live outside trump tower in new york with more. jessica? >> well, you know, chris, we were told this would be a quiet weekend for the president-elect, but if you count twitter, it was anything but. donald trump unleashed on saturday night first talking about "saturday night live" and then turning more serious. laying down the law on companies that might be moving overseas and then, of course, the mentions of china to which the foreign ministry of china responded overnight they would not speculate on donald trump's tweets but stressing that the relationship between the u.s. and china can only be maintained with "strong principles."
the president-elect lashing out at china, only two days after his unprecedented phone call with the leader of taiwan. donald trump accusing china of keeping its currency artificially low. monetary experts say it's fairly valued and decrying their military presence in the south china sea. trump stepping up some of the tough talk from the campaign trail. >> they have taken our money and our manufacturing. they've taken everything. china is responsible for nearly half of our trade deficit. >> reporter: the timing of his tweets indicate the campaign promises could potentially become policy. over the weekend, china lodging a formal complaint about trump's call with taiwan's president. >> there was nothing more than taking a courtesy call, a congratulations. >> reporter: the "washington post" report that the call had been planned for weeks. the call carries major diplomatic risks citing the u.s./china policy which considers taiwan to be a part of china. this is the first known communication between the u.s.
and taiwan since 1979. trump also taking to twitter this weekend to threaten any business that leaves our country, warning of a whopping 35% tax on products shipped back into the country, as retribut n retribution. trump will keep jobs in the country by slashing regulations. all this playing out as the president-elect is widening his list of contenders to be secretary of state. a process starting to look more like a reality show. >> have additional interviews with other candidates for secretary of state and other cabinet positions. >> reporter: former republican governor of ut jon huntsman now in the running and general petraeus making a case for the top post. >> five years ago i made a serious mistake and i apologized for it. >> reporter: revealing classified information to his former mistress should not
disqualify him for serving as secretary of state. >> i paid a very heavy price for it and i've learned from it. >> top adviser kellyanne conway saying more interviews will continue this week for secretary of state, potential contenders. she also said it's a position that demands loyalty. of course, could that be another jab at leading contender mitt romney? we'll wait and see. in the last few minutes, the trump transition team announcing that donald trump will, in fact, nominate dr. ben carson to housing and urban development. that's the nomination we have been expecting for about the past week. chris and alisyn? >> thank you. we want to talk about something that is hard and in real time right now. let's bring in cnn political commentator errol louis, abby philip and senior congressional correspondent david druker. so, let's take a look at this international situation that is
evolving around us right now. there is reporting out of "the washington post" that this call with taiwan, errol, had been set up for days/weeks in advance. this becomes important because donald trump put out a tweet, if you want to put it out there. actually a relevant tweet saying the president of taiwan called me today to wish me congratulations on winning the presidency. thank you. the sense of this is this was spontaneous, don't make a big deal of it. it was planned in advance and such a breach in protocol and then he said it was spontaneous. that is a bad combination of facts. >> mike pence making it sound like it was this breezy congra congradd congraddialatory call. you have the fact that the trump organization was planning to be involved in not just an economic development, but the largest in taiwan history just south of the airport. so this was something that is really, they haven't gotten their story straight, let's put
it that way. they haven't decided how they want to spin it. what the truth of the matter was. we haven't had any straight forward dealings to find out what the heck is going on. all we have are these little fragments. >> thank goodness for your organization, "the washington post," abby, who is putting some of these pieces together. if it was long planned as mr. trump's aides to "washington post" and if he does pride on shaking up some previous relationships and some people would applaud this being shaken up. >> some people in his inner circle. >> they like the idea of an alliance with taiwan to send a message to china. so, why doesn't he own it? >> well, partly because they recognize that it is a break from u.s. foreign policy. but we knew from the very beginning that calls between world leaders don't happen by accident. you don't just pick up the phone when someone calls. there's coordination between the
two camps and we know now that the president of taiwan would never, according to people who know her, would never have placed a call thinking that it would not have been received. so, from the very beginning, this -- especially considering how they are framing it. they would ease into this. changing the relationship between the u.s. and china is a dramatic and potentially very dangerous thing. it doesn't surprise me that they would try to test the waters, dipping their toe in with a phone call and then also, subsequently, making points about trade and tariffs that reinforce the idea that there's a new sheriff in town. >> so, the policy move is in one thing. i don't we don't want to jump the gun on intentionality here. we're seeing a very familiar pattern that trump says x. druker says, no. trump says he is an idiot. here what are we seeing? trump went out and did something.
it was wrong. it seems weird. china comes forward and says we're not happy about this. what does trump do? he goes to china. he starts tweeting. now, that pattern may work okay with us and please his fans when he does it, but much more troubling on this scale when china is who he is deciding to push back on. >> if the president of the united states wants to call druke an idiot nobody is going to care. when you are dealing with china, you have to be aware. you can mess with them, but you don't want to humiliate them publicly. couple things to break down here. one, you need to take care of the beijing, taipei relationship. to suggest he called donald trump out of the blue could cause them problems and that could be a very dicy relationship. on the other hand, if you look at u.s./chinese relations. if the united states wants tareassert itself in the pacific, particularly -- well,
we are abandoning the transpacific partnership and you want them to know we're not going to be as passive in the pacific as we have been building the military base islands out there. this is not a bad move if it's part of a coordinated strategy. it is something that will make traditional republicans concerned about trump's foreign policy be very good and inviting duturte. they have been tilting towards china and you want to get these countries back in the u.s. sphere. all these moves can work out well if they know what they're doing and they take care to treat the chinese in a way that would work for the u.s. and not antagonize them. >> enter secretary of state. that would be vitally important for somebody who understood all this stuff. jon huntsman, his name has been floated more over the weekend. we can pull up who we think the latest list is. rudy giuliani, mitt romney, jon
huntsman and john bolton. any way to tell, errol, what's happening here. >> no way to tell. they're floating all these names to get a lot of discussion going. i suspect they are probably down to two or three and that donald trump will make the decision pretty quickly after spreading this out and springing us all along a little bit longer. >> do you think it is a distraction, abby. secretary of state is an important but trump wants to be more isolationist. not like he will have a new quarterback running around the world. ben carson, yeah y like ben carson. he is a good guys and lives in public housing, he should be a hud secretary. treasury secretary, really important. this guy is my buddy and worked at goldman sachs, let's put him in. this so methodical and so agonizing and drawn out, where's the balance between this? >> i think if this were an easy
decision and donald trump were rewarding his friend, we would see rudy giuliani in this position. giuliani made it pretty clear, this is the job he wants. he doesn't want anything else. the fact that we're not with rudy giuliani as secretary of state at this point tells you it's a different kind of decisionmaking process for the president-elect. and also for his inner circle. folks like romney and i would actually add huntsman to that are not on the side of the loyal ledger that i think, you know, trump wants, his close advisors want. there are some problems with each and every one of these people. >> you don't think it's something that keeps us covering it every day, every day, more names. >> that's exactly what he does. he loves the drama. he knows how to work us. >> he also might be conflicted about the decision. >> he might be trying to figure out, okay, this is what i campaigned on foreign policy wise. now i actually have to execute who would be better to do that. >> stick around, so many more questions for you.
including this very important story. there was a fake news story and it triggered an actual armed confrontation at a washington, d.c., pizzeria. the gunman telling the police he was there to self-investigate a conspiracy theory that he read about online. it seems this is america's new reality. our panel discusses this, next.
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all right. so, a fake election related news story also known as a lie triggered a real-life confrontation in washington, d.c. here's what happened. a north carolina man got arrested sunday after police say he walked into a pizzeria armed with an assault rifle. why? he said that he was "there to self investigate an online conspiracy theory." joe johns is live outside that pizza shop with details. what else do we know, joe. >> good morning, chris. well, file this under what happens when fake news stories use the names of real people and places, but not real facts. authorities say a guy named edgar madison welch walked into this pizza restaurant in upper northwest washington over the weekend. it's been here for years.
he had a rifle in his hand. apparently fired at least one shot, no one was injured. people apparently scattered when they saw the guy with the gun. authorities when they sat down and interviewed welch say he admitted to them that he was here to self investigate the now notorious internet conspiracy theory known as pizzagate which alleges that the restaurant along with hillary clat and her campaign manager john podesta involved in a child sex ring. all false. he was charged with assault with a deadly weapon. no one was injured and the owner put out a statement saying this shows the consequences of what happens when people use lies on the internet. back to you, chris and alisyn. >> joe, thank you very much for all of that background. we have our panel.
how to quell and squash all of this. so much fake news out there and turns out there is a consequence to fake news. a gullible person believes it. the details made up are disturbing and he shows up because he's going to do something about it. every day we fight the good fight of trying to inject facts and truth. >> what? >> i know, we are so through the looking glass with this stuff. what are we to do? >> i don't know what we are to do. we live in an age where social media provides a lot of freedom. but it provides a platform for people to say and report with quotes around the word "report." when you have in politics people stirring up or trying to motivate their supporters by playing fast and loose with facts to use the only good cliche i can think of, these are the kinds of things that
eventually can happen. that is what is so dangerous. i can't tell you how many times i get a call or e-mail from a friend who lives outside of washington, outside of new york. actually in new york even. and they'll say, is this true? i read this. i saw this. i heard this. is this true? and i have to go through the story and the first thing i say is where did you read it. i read it here. yeah, not true. it doesn't even make sense. but people don't know the difference. and we still as i think human beings assume if somebody wrote it and published it, it must be sort of true because that's human nature to think that. >> that's the same reason that dealers are putting their synthetic oepioids. and there's almost a legitimacy given by the title. >> exactly right.
the form of it looks like news. to a certain extent, this is not new. i can show you 30 years ago newsrooms that i worked in where it would draw the conspiracy the the theoryiests. >> by the way, you can dismiss that as bad english, i don't think it is. speaking to his state of mind which is i don't believe. i will investigate it. that's where he comes up with something silly like self-investigate. >> clippings in a newspaper in a paper bag is that we have people with actual prominence disseminating this information. to me, that is the most damaging thing about this cycle. seeing how far fake news can go and being propelled by people with status and who should know better. >> like the national security adviser michael flynn. >> michael flynn. >> the candidate himself. the campaign manager. >> let me give a little context.
so, michael flynn has tweeted out that he has sort of fallen for some of these fake, bs stories. >> this one in particular. >> this is his son. his son michael flynn jr. here's his tweet. until pizzagate proven to be false, it will remain a story. the left seems to forget podesta e-mails and the many coincide e coincidences tied to it. prove to me that it didn't happen. that's not the standard that we normally use. you have to prove it did happen. >> undermining truth as the foundation of how we interact with each other is really dangerous and not just dangerous for the people who happen to be on the other side of it right now. but it's a risky thing for everyone to do. if you undermine truth today for someone else, it's going to come back. >> absolutely. >> to your side. i don't think people realize that. we need to make that more clear
as we go forward. >> if you spend time in washington now, there are enough media outlets that will print all sorts of things and you'll talk to very well meaning members of congress that will wonder, is this true or that true and this ends up infecting the body politic and everybody thinks to themselves. i think this is true because it makes sense and the favorite saying of a lot of people is i don't know, all i know is -- and then they fill in the blank because it fits the world that they want to see and it's dangerous because, as abby said, that's when bad things can happen. >> they created the expression everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. where it bleeds into a really dangerous practical is when you can get into policy. he said president doesn't unilaterally put in a tax tariff. whatever you want to call it,
wind up in the same place. as a policy consideration, errol. this sounds good. punish you if you leave this country. what do you think the starting point is for the analysis of it as a policy consideration? >> as a policy consideration, i think one starting point is i thought it was very revealing that the president-elect acknowledged about the carrier deal. had no intention of doing anything about it and was reminded while watching television that he said he would go and do it. he got a few million dollars of indiana taxpayer money. if that's the level of conversation that we're at, we have to talk to some economists and we have to get clear, fact-based discussion about what kind of jobs will this create and what kind of jobs will it kill? can the white house bully them one at a time or sector by sector? what is the whole point of all of this stuff. after we get it scored, which is what congress will do. which is why congress will have ultimate responsibility, we'll have a better sense of what the
real facts are. if we go by trump's tweets, we'll never get anywhere near it. >> low bar, but at least, abby, he admitted he forgot about carrier. you could take him at his word about that. this is something he kind of remembered he was going to do. >> this is where we'll see if trump has a so-called mandate as he says he does. the sort of conservative infrastructure do not like the idea of a 35% tariff. they believe it gets ppassed ba to consumers. donald trump will not walk into the halls of congress and say i want this and they give it it him. we'll see how far this mandate from his election takes him because, you know, he's going in as a maverick, but washington is still washington. there's still republicans and still democrats in congress. they're going to be the ones evaluating this proposal. >> panel, thank you very much.
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more. does this mean it is over, sarah? >> the celebrations are short lived here. there are upwards of 8,000 people inside this camp. we watched as the camp grew and grew and grew. we also watched as people celebrated. there was drums beating and people crying, people cheering, people chanting. feeling like they were finally heard, especially the members of the standing rock sioux and the sioux nation who have been fight over this pipeline for months trying to stop it from going underneath the missouri river saying it would poison their water and the water of millions of americans who live down stream. yesterday they thought they had a victory but energy transfer partners came back with a scathing response to the army corps of engineers telling them that they could no longer do that and reroute the pipeline saying the isis a political ploy and talked about the administration saying they are
going to continue along the path that they've given legal permission to do so. alisyn, chris? >> thank you very much. some parts of the country are seeing accumulating snow right now and another round on the way. let's get to cnn meteorologist chad myers. what are you seeing? >> i'm seeing snow on the ground in chicago that was six inches deep this weekend. some snow getting into worster, mass. boston you will see some flurries. heavy rain across parts of texas and louisiana and more coming today could be some flooding down there. it spreads out a little bit today. getting to some of the drought stricken area and a tornado or two out there today, but not like we saw last week. the next storm coming for you, again, chris and alisyn, a rain event for new york city, not a snow event yet. but it does get much colder for the weekend. you need the big furry boots and the coats for the weekend. temperatures down in the teens
and 20s in the northeast. >> you're lucky i'm not wearing my parka now. i'd like to get a jump on it now, chad. we're only 46 days from inauguration day. that's not stopping president-elect trump from stopping decades of diplomacy. his latest, china. is all this by accident? imagine if the things you bought every day earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. with the united mileageplus explorer card, you'll get a free checked bag, 2 united club passes... priority boarding... and 30,000 bonus miles. everything you need for an unforgettable vacation. the united mileageplus explorer card. imagine where it will take you.
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to several secretaries of state on both sides of the aisle. aaron david miller, also the author of "the end of greatness. why america can't have and doesn't want another great president." provocative title, adm. always makes for a great read. >> chris, really nice to be here with you this morning. >> always a pleasure. you make us better. let's game this out. the art of the deal is about pushing leverage when you have it, especially when starting a negotiation. go strong. knock them off balance a little bit and let's see where it goes from there. could that be the explanation for what the president-elect is doing with taiwan and china and, if so, what are the potential implications? >> i mean, the process is soo p opaque, it's difficult to know. i have voted for republicans and democrats and the key here is not partisanship. the key is wanting america to be
strong, to look good. if that is, in fact, the case, then a measure of planning and foresight and preparation is required in order to think these strategies through. and i think with respect to the phone call from taipei to washington, clearly this was not spontaneous. if "the washington post" reporting this morning is to be believed, then there were probably weeks of contexts back and forth between the trump transition team and the government in taipei. what the purpose of it is and what the implications are going to be. is it to make good on the fact that the president-elect wants to demonstrate that he is unpredictable and tough? is it to increase a certain amount of leverage with the chinese to demonstrate that we can't be taken for granted. all of these things are floating around in an extremely volatile, combustible area of the world where at the moment we might not have the leverage, yet alone the
strategy to fundamentally want to alter almost 50 years of a one china policy. >> what could happen, aaron? fill people in. because from the outside if you don't know all the things that you know. look, china is pushing us around. it's regulating its currency. it taxes what it wants to. which really isn't true. they get taxed when they import. so, from the outside, people say, good, push back on china. show the u.s. is strong. what's the risk? >> well, the question is, what does changing this policy particularly months before you have the power to actually do anything about it. how does changing this policy actually advance and protect american interest? i mean, one china has worked in large part because it has maintained a relationship with the chinese and, yeah, we have a lot of differences. we shouldn't be pushed around by beijing. but it is also an effort to guarantee american interests and to preserve the security of taiwan a much smaller state,
which is threatened by a much larger china. so, the policy has worked under half a dozen presidents. if you want to change it, fine. but think through carefully the consequences of doing so. and right now with tpp, transpacific partnership not going forward, strained relations with the philippines. china's determination to protect its interest in the south china sea. how much leverage do we actually have if we encourage the taiwanese to believe that we're interested in an independent taiwan and to send signals to china on a core issue. >> what could go wrong? what could go wrong? what could china do? china wrote back. we don't like this. shouldn't have done it, basically. in as many words. the china were expressing dislike and disapproval of what happened. what can they do that would make this an inefficient use of pushing back by the
president-elect? >> we have an enormous amount at stake with the chinese. would they threaten taiwan with some sort of cross border invasion? in '95 when the president of taiwan was invited to speak at cornell, you had a mini crisis during the clinton administration which the chinese threatened ballistic missile technology. you had a significant crisis. so, the question is at the end of the day how does this advance? because of what the chinese will do. how does this advance american interest? that's the core question that needs to be asked. right now given the opaqueness of the process, i'm not sure a compelling case can be made. if there is a compelling case, make it and think through the implications and the complications of changing a half century of american policy. >> and, of course, the president-elect likes to say, i like surprise when people ask what the thinking is behind his plans. let's see what he does on this
one. a aaron david miller, look forward to continuing this discussion with you soon. >> thanks a lot. the field is set for the college football playoffs. four teams vying for the national championship. we have much more in the bleacher report, next. hi, juice universe? one large rutabaga, with eggplant... done! that's not fair. glad i had a v8. the original way to fuel your day. tand the alzheimer'sf association is going to make it happen. but we won't get there without you. visit alz.org to join the fight. who says i shouldn't havmy doctor.very day? my dentist. definitely my wife. hey wait. we have better bubbles. make sparkling water at home and drink 43% more water every day. sodastream. love your water.
the seahawks cruise to a big win over the panthers on sunday night, boy. it does come with a price, though. hines ward has more in this morning's bleacher report. one of the best in the game thinking about calling it a wrap. >> yes. who needs reality tv on a sunday night when you have the nfl football. lots of drama during last night's panthers/seahawks game. here's something you don't see very often a healthy cam newton benched. cam had to sit out because he didn't wear a tie on the team flight, chris. now, in comes derek anderson who got the start on the first play and throws an interception. all-pro safety earl taump thoma the seahawks left the game after breaking his leg. he is done. he thought he was retiring after the injury.
despite his loss, seattle did go on to win the game in a blowout, 40-7. the college football playoff selection committee has spoken and the final four matchups are all set. no brainer at number one you have alabama. they're undefeated. the crimson tide blew out florida to win their third straight sec champion and they'll take on number four washington in the peach bowl on new year's eve. and then the clemson tigers and last year's champion ohio state in the fiesta bowl. ohio state's only loss was to big 10 champs penn state who were left out of the tournament. the winners of the semi finals they will play january 9th in tampa for all the marbles. so, back to you guys, man. it should be exciting. >> let's go back to what happened with carolina there. you can debate whether the tie is the right thing, but is that what a receiver calls an interception when the ball goes off the receiver's hands. you put that on the quarterback.
>> i didn't put -- >> you put it on him. >> how do you not start cam newton. you have to start cam newton. >> pay a price and get the momentum going and then you get a butt whooping. take care, hines ward, thank you very much. we're now living in this era where there is this expression called fake news. i don't think the phrase should exist but what do you do about the proliferation of bs that is online because it is starting to make people do really stupid things. our media experts discuss the realities next. fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds
a scary scene unfolded in washington, d.c., when an armed man walk under to a pizzeria. the suspect told police he wanted to self-investigate a crazy conspiracy theory involving the clinton campaign and the restaurant. here to discuss cnn's senior media correspondent brian steler and bill carter. gentlemen, it's happening. so, fake news and crazy conspiracy theories now we see the realtime, real-life consequences. become upset by it and show up with a gun at a pizzeria. i'll read to you real quickly what the owner of the pizzeria said.
demonstrating shows false conspiracy theories come with consequences. i hope those involved in fanning these flames will contemplate what happened here today and stop promoting these falsehoods right away. brian, what are we to do about the ubiquity of false news? >> this is a fake story that ended up with a gunshot. the person discharged the weapon at the ground, apparently, not at anyone in particular. it's an isolated incident and we all feel in the back of our heads or in our guts this is going to keep happening. as we deal with this plague of fake news. a supply and demand problem. some people want to believe these malicious falsehoods online and i would also point out not all conspiracy theories are created equally. over the top, impossible to believe and yet people -- >> one, you have to look at the actor, right? every case you look at
specifically. he's either mentally ill or really stupid. either way, that's not somebody you're going to reach just with simple fact and truth. then you get on the mackerel what do we do? i do not believe you give a labile that legitimizes bs. >> we've gone too far with the news. these things are preposturous fabrications. >> this has always happened. >> we have been talking about this for generations. these are being taken -- they're not being repudiated by the right people. >> not only are they not being repudiated but picked up and proliferated by our leaders. consider the source. look at general michael flynn. >> he said he got duped. >> he got duped, but his son is now continuing it. >> why are leaders being duped and being that gullibable. >> then last night his son was on twitter very much promoting
this crazy conspiracy theory. >> i'll read his sons. until pizza gate is proven to be false, it will be a story. the podesta e-mails and the many coincidences tied to it. until we prove every day that martians aren't landing, they are landing. >> that's a very scary place to be. this is about leadership. >> the false flag thing. this guy wasn't actually believing this. there is some suggestion to devd devaluate. >> the gutter level of it and then you have the highest echelon of what this is really about. do facts still matter? of course, the answer has to be, yes. but when you have mike pence with our friend george and he says, look, the president-elect is entitled to his opinion, of course he is. but you've never been entitled to your own facts. if there is this consistent defense of what the president-elect says when we know it is demonstrousively
false. that's why politicians dance because they don't often want to get caught. >> look at paul ryan's approach. he says, who cares. >> about the voting -- >> who cares. >> he was asked on "60 minutes" do you really think there's voting fraud and he said, you know what, i don't -- >> i said, i don't know. i can't speak to it. i don't have any reason to believe it. but i don't really care. >> don't really care if millions of people perpetrated voter fraud. >> he says i don't care what trump says on that level. >> how can you not care? >> what was that gesture you made last week, alisyn? >> i feel like i'm going to get a dent in my forehead. >> there's a danger in that, as well. not in what you did. that was a great piece, by the way. i watched it at home. but there is a danger in dismissing the motivation for wanting to believe that what you're being told is untrue. and we have fareed on later
today. he wrote a beautiful piece about the roots of populism. somebody in this country believes that they have been forgotten. and there are millions and millions of that somebody. and this plays into that. and i think it raises the bar of saying, look, i know you've been told this. this is what's true. this is what's true and you just keep going with that. when you don't hold truth to power. when we get fatigued by trump putting out a lot of this stuff. >> what's the answer? >> stay the course. fight the good fight. >> challenge, challenge, challenge. >> if they're not going to repudiate it and the media has to do it. they have to constantly puncture this otherwise there is many that does support it. >> pizza gate is a particularly over the top conspiracy theory involving a child sex predatrin. i purposely didn't educate myself because it seemed so ludicrous i didn't know and turned out maybe i did. >> you have to get into all of
them. >> maybe real news outlets have to be more forceful in puncturing this stuff early on. i don't know if it will make a difference in a case like this. but we can try. >> in case we missed "saturday night live," should we play it again. >> i just retweeted the best tweet. what a great, smart tweet. >> mr. trump, we're in a security briefing. >> i know, but this could not wait. it was from a young man named seth. he's 16. he's in high school and i really did retweet him, seriously. this is real. >> he really did do this. >> donald trump was not happy with that skit. he said just tried watching "snl." unwatchable. totally bias. bias is funny because they're also not a news organization. not funny and baldwin impersonation just can't get any worse. sad. >> and then alec baldwin tweeted back. i tell you what, put out your
taxes and i'll stop. this is good for "snl's" business model, no question about it. does the president-elect, bill, have to get a thicker skin? do you think he knows what he is about to enter? >> i think he needs a skin. he doesn't even have a skin it's so thin. it's going to be -- he thinks this is bad now. when he's in office, it is going to be all over the place. every comedian everywhere. "saturday night live" has done this to everybody. this guy has hosted the show. he knows what it is about they stopped to say, by the way, he really did this. it wasn't even satire. >> the 16-year-old tweet's was complaining about cnn. it's showing the relevance of big, old-fashioned institutions. >> old-fashioned. "snl," "new york times" cnn. he's going after power. >> almost as big as the institution of