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and that does it for us, thanks for watching, cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. breaking news tonight, donald trump says he'll announce his pick for secretary of state tomorrow morning. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. the rumored front-runner, the millionaire ceo of exxon mobil, rex tillerson. trump calling mitt romney tonight to tell him he is out meanwhile, the president-elect still won't be holding the one he promised thursday on the topic of how he plans to deal with conflicts of interest in his businesses. and trump is in conflict with many in his own party on russian hacking of the election, suggesting nothing to see here,
folks. let's just move along. phil, good evening to you breaking news on the donald trump pick for secretary of state. what are you learning? >> the president-elect tweeting he will make the announcement tomorrow morning, one thing we know for sure mitt romney will not be the selection. he took to facebook saying, it was a tremendous honor for him to be considered secretary of state, and he has very high hopes for this administration, an administration a president-elect who was a sharp critic of throughout the course of the general election. he was brought into the fold and considered a finalist. the president-elect has decided to go a different direction all signs pointing to rex tillerson. the exxon ceo. the president elect called mitt
romney tonight to let the 2012 nominee know he appreciated his willingness to be a part of the process. what we know right now mitt romney is not going to be the selection for secretary of state right now it looks like rex tillerson the exxon ceo -- someone who tracks very well with the president-elect will be the selection announced tomorrow morning. >> mitt romney confirming on twitter. phil just read that, i want to talk about something else we just learned. donald trump postponed his first press conference since july? what's going on with that. >> july 27th, the last time the president-elect took questions in a news conference. he was supposed to put that to an end, he would fully lay out his plans to separate himself from his business empire, a business empire we've seen repeatedly over the last few
weeks is riffe with potential conflicts, that has been postponed until january. the news conference and plans for how he's going to try to separate himself. this is in part because he's been so focused on personnel, on these cabinet selections and the stream of people going in and out of that building behind me. this is very complicated. the president-elect has made clear, he wants to hold on to as much of his business as he can while trying to separate from those conflicts of interest. what we know is structures to make that legally happen haven't been finalized. lawyers haven't been able to get through this entire process, and there have been disagreements about what those final structures should look like. because of that, this has been postponed and the news conference has as well. >> phil, stand by, i want to get to jim sciutto now. donald trump would have faced tough questions about russia's interference at that press conference. you have new information about
the extent of russian hacking. what are you hearing from your sources? >> russian hackers, in addition to hacking into the democratic party e-mails, they also hacked into republican party e-mails, members of congress from the gop, republican affiliated nonprofits as well as thought leaders among the republican party, and why is this important? because while those hackers then exposed the information from the hacks of the democratic party, they did not then expose the hacks of the information from the republican party or at least the vast majority of it, and it is that detail that has led to increased confidence in the intelligence community that the aim of these hacks was not just to disrupt the election process and the preamble to the election but was to aid donald trump. they haven't made that conclusion with confidence. the fact that both parties were
hacked, this is adding to the confidence in the intelligence community that there was an intent here from the russian side, that was to help donald trump or at least weaken hillary clinton. >> the man who is expected to be name secretary of state, his ties to russia, especially in light of donald trump's comments about vladimir putin. will he run into resistance? >> he am. you have a hand full of republicans who have expressed publicly, marco rubio being among them, famously tweeting now, a friend of putin not questioned in his view a strong quality for secretary of state. rand paul, john mccain, now, does rex tillerson answer those questions with substance in a confirmation hearing? he very possibly could. we can expect he will face harsh questions because of the
sensitivity of that topic, this is in the news because of the election hacks, you have republicans, even mitch mcconnell saying they want a deeper investigation into this. it's at least going to be something he's going to be asked about. >> the secretary of state has to interact with the entire world, not just russia, what qualifications does tillerson have for that? >> that's the judgment of the preside president. he has dealing around the world. he most certainly would not have dealt with leaders of china, russia, when you're drilling for oil in these countries, you're dealing with the politics as well. does that give you the qualification to handle the sensitivity of the one china question, which donald trump has put on the table here, and others -- again that's going to be a question in the confirmation hearings, i can tell you there are diplomats i
speak to, and diplomats who align themselves with the democratic party and republican party who are skeptical of that. it doesn't mean they're going to have the final word, but certainly something we expect to come up in the confirmation process. >> cnn political commentator, ryan lizza. and cnn political commentator buck sexton. thank you for joining us. ryan i'm going to start with you i want to get your reaction on the news of mitt romney. >> if it is tillerson, he's going to have a rough confirmation hearing, what we've heard from john mccain, marco rubio and almost all democrats, is deep skepticism. a personal relationship with
vladimir putin is the key person for this job. watch what mccain says over the next few days. they seem to be telling trump don't pick this guy. they're going to have a big decision to make and that confirmation hearing will be important. >> the way to understand exxon is as a sovereign state in itself. as jim pointed out, he's used to going and meeting with world leaders, no doubt about it, the issues were always in the best interest of exxon, how to secure oil drilling rights around the worlds. he's against american sanctions in russia. his foreign policy, when he was running exxon often was at odds with the united states in certain places. if this is his pick, he's going to have to learn how to
represent the united states of america, not just exxon mobil. >> buck, i want to get your reaction. what happened with mitt romney? >> it seems like mitt romney was brought in as a means of trying to coalesce the republican party. he was opposed to donald trump as the candidate, and bringing in mitt showed that donald was willing to extend his hand to those who were vociferous ly against trump in the white house. they seem to realize they would have had it great with mitt, and mitt is a moderate guy. if nothing else, at least mitt romney brings that to the table. some republicans are easier for democrats to stomach than
others. they shouldn't necessarily take the dial to 11 every time. >> russian interference in the u.s. election was intended to help donald trump in the election. donald trump calls that ridiculous. is that a likely scenario? >> the question i'm wrestling with at this moment, you look at the effect that this hack has had in particular, the argument that it may have been intended to help trump, it's hemming trump in politically, it's weakening his hand, he has less political capital, in one area especially, and that's building an administration that can engage with moscow. rex tillerson is going to be challenged on his ties with the kremlin. trump himself has been challenged over and over. if you're vladimir putin and looking to have a better
relationship with the u.s. president, maybe you're intervening to get that to happen. what might they have been thinking during the campaign before they knew the outcome. one pobltd is, they expected hillary was going to win what they wanted to do was knock her down a few pegs. they wanted to do whatever damage they could do, and they did that during the campaign. here's another possibility. irrespective of what candidate won, they wanted to put cyber on the agenda, as something scary americans would have to take seriously. that's negotiate a treaty about cyber warfare. >> a lot of people are wrestling with a few questions. president obama will talk about the russian hack on the daily show later tonight, i have a clip for you, let's listen in.
>> the reason i have called for a review is to gather all the threats of the investigations, the intelligence work that's been done over many months, and put it in a single document that can be shared with members of congress, relevant intelligence agencies. they can be shared with the transition team so they understand what exactly happened. and so that the public and our elected representatives going-forward can find ways to prevent this kind of interference from having an impact on the elections in the future. >> i want you to react to what he said. but also, why do you think he waited until after the election? >> well, what we don't know is whether there's new information or evidence that would have made the cia more confident in their
assessment, it wasn't simply that russian got engaged or involved in hacking the election, but did so to favor trump. russia's actions make sense if they thought they wouldn't get caught. their motivation may have been to help trump and they assumed maybe they would not have gotten caught. i think obama here is taking the long view, which is important to all of us, whether they're democrats or republicans, there's a midterm in 2018, another presidential election in 2020. there's governors and senators, if we do not figure out how russia did it, forget the motivation at this stage. what we can do to protect our networks, what various parties can do to protect their networks, and also, potentially punish russia, that won't be president obama's decision, that will be president-elect trump's decision, then let's do this investigation, it matters to democrats and republicans simply because this is a foreign
country. play in our democratic elections at this stage. >> there's much more interest in this, the notion that we're going to be able to stop people from having unclassified e-mail accounts hacked. they can put out what would be call called a public warning announcement. the reason this is getting so much attention right now, it's part of a broader narrative, and that is that donald trump is an illegitimate president. maybe we can't redo the election, but we've seen a steady stream of a different story every couple weeks. whether it's fake news. or russia was involved in the election, or fbi director comey is an operative who threw it for donald trump, that's why this is getting so much attention, it's not because we're going to get some security review. >> don, i think that's -- i
think that's a very unfair -- i think that's a very unfair myopic short lived, in some ways, insulting attitude about what is going on here. take a step back. i'm hillary, i was a hillary supporter, donald trump's going to be my president. i'm not interested in all these other fights. i'm actually interested in a national security expert, in what happened and why russia, and how they did this, this is relevant. look, the republican senators who know the most about this stuff, also want this review, it's not like this is some democratic conspiracy out there. i think you really do undermine both the sanctity of those out there risking their lives. >> i'm former cia. i don't need a lecture about the sanctity of people -- >> i don't think she's lecturing you.
>> let her finish. >> as a democrat -- >> i'm not going to -- >> as a democrat. >> people taking risks overseas. >> people give their opinions on this show. >> we don't have to take it personally. it's not personal at all. >> thank you. it's not personal at all, we take a step back right here, as i said, i am a democrat, i supported "headline news," i am not interested in relitigating this campaign. >> but a lot of people are, did you read paul krugman today. >> that's of less -- so who cares? who cares at this stage? >> most of -- >> what matters the most is that a foreign country thought that they could play in our election, that should matter to you -- >> it matters, and we've known that for months. >> matthew and ryan will weigh-in after the break.
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president-elect donald trump at odds with the leaders of his own party in congress. back with me now, matthew, juliet and buck. matthew, excuse me, you first. what is a partisan aspect of this, is there one? >> historically, when the russians the soviet union before them kgb, secret agent man, when they were intervening in american politics they didn't come at us on our strong suit, they came at us where we were weak. our support for authoritarian regimes. areas where we had serious problems. where's our biggest problem in politics today? hyperpartisanship.
any issue can be politicized and turned into a vulnerability they have unleashed an absolute partisan feeding frenzy, that i think is weakening the country and not getting at the core problem. >> you said you want to respond to something juliet said. >> if the russians hadn't been caught, this plan would have worked perfectly. first of all, you always get caught the united states has intervened in other country's politics. almost without exception some information about that has come out. that's part of the aren't u.s./iran relation ship is so dysfunctional. we intervened. even with this information having come out, it demonstrates this hyperpartisanship. this is a win for the russians. i want to get the trump folks
response to this kellyanne conway talked about trump and his assessments on russia, look at this. >> i would never paint with such a broadbrush to incriminate the cia. donald was asked that question this week, do you have confidence in the cia. he does, we all do. we're talking about a few people who are leaking information to journalists maybe to feel like they are effecting the outcome of the election after the election, which they can't do. >> that's a far cry -- >> i think she's trying to clean it up a little bit. it's the cia that went to congress and briefed can congress and said it is their judgment that it would not just that the russians hawked the democrats, but that they wanted -- it was their intention to help elect donald trump.
i think everyone needs to have more clarity on this. this is coming from anonymous sources on the hill. i don't think we have any disagreement that the cia -- we're trying to make sense of this all unless we have a further investigation. >> this is where i wanted to respond to what buck said. he's channeling the frustration of a lot of trump supporters. simply a way to discredit donald trump's victory. i don't think there's anyway around that. it does put an asterisk next to his victory. >> on the russians part or the democrats part? >> there's no doubt the democrats are going to seize on this issue, to me that doesn't mean that we don't look into it
that we don't put together some kind of fair bipartisan investigation that lays out the facts clearly. if that means that donald trump -- his victory is tainted, so be it, it's far more important -- this is about our country our our democracy. what partisans do with that information, so what? >> i feel like i'm drowning on the sanctity of this issue. no one in the intelligence community believes it changed the election, it's a leap that's being made analytically. they want there to be more than an asterisk under donald trump's name, they want this to be an illegitimate presidency. investigate this all you want, that's great. congress is going to do that. we're not going to find out a lot of new information. the chain of who got it, when
they got it, and how they got it, we're never going to know that. yeah, russia was meddling in this, the fact that they hacked into gop e-mail accounts, and they did nothing, that was supposed to help the democrats all along? why hack into the gop accounts in the first place. they may use that down the line against the gop, that's been raised, this is being inflated as an issue, specifically because of the partisan politics behind it. it's just hyperventilating over something that had no chance of changing the election whatsoever. >> that would mean that mitch mcconnell is in favor of somehow making donald trump's election tainted. >> no, no, just the investigation doesn't taken the it, the fact that there is an investigation being used as fodder for people to go out there and go beyond the fact, this notion that there's a consensus within the cia, they know this for a fact, no, we
keep going back to this -- it's a few sources that should not be speaking out about this. >> are you saying it should not be investigated? >> no, it should definitely be investigated but we should keep the issue in the proper context. there's an effort -- what russia did here, either to tip the election or show there's underhand underhandedness -- that's incredibly dang rousz. >> isn't that a leap that you're making? because i haven't heard many people saying, this is to -- >> the daily beast, the new york times, read the editorial pages of some of the most widely -- >> we're talking about intelligence here, and people on the hill like mitch mcconnell and others.
partisan news organizations are going to do with it what they will. that doesn't necessarily mean it is -- >> i'm saying we should give this the proper context. this didn't change the election. >> i don't think anyone's -- no one's making the case that it changes the election. >> that's the insinuation, they're trying to undermine a trump presidency before it takes effect, will russia intervene? the fake news, that was out of nowhere. hillary clinton herself said, the fbi director tipped the election for her. this is nonsense. >> if donald trump doesn't believe the hacking. that raises the question, what other intelligence assessments will he question? >> i think the way he did it so publicly is dangerous, he's not taking the daily presidential brief, that's his choice, i personally think he should take it, because people think that the cia just stands there or the
intelligence briefer stands there and said, this is happening, and we'll let you know when there's a smoking gun. that's the wrong theory of intelligence. it lets the principle understand what is happening around the world, let's the principle ask questions which is key. it helps drive resources, policy decisions, where are you going to put money or more troops or more agents, so it's a more active process than him sitting passively by. the most discon certaining thing about this something that -- to either not be interested in the intelligence or as related to the hacking, to show hostility toward the intelligence agencies is a bad message to our enemies. it shows a lack of interest or curiosity. one day president trump will ask us as a nation to go to war
possibly to deploy troops, he will base that on the various intelligence agencies that he's either not listening to or undermining, he has to take the long view. >> i remember when president obama wanted to lock up people from the intelligence agencies for doing their jobs. 4% eastern so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors we thought was italian was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn't know about. he looks a little bit like me, yes. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story. get started for free at ancestry.com love or like? naughty or nice? calm or bright? but at bedtime... ...why settle for this? enter sleep number, designed to let couples sleep together in individualized comfort. sleepiq technology tells you how you slept and what adjustments you can make. she likes the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow!
thank you so much opinion fareed, i want to start with you. >> rex tillerson, if there's a ceo who is prepared to be secretary of state. it is certainly rex tillerson. exxon is like a country. it is one of the five or six largest operations in the world. energy is a very important business. exxon has its own intelligence department, which is very good, they do forecasting of the very same kind that the cia does, he's had a dry run for this job in a way that very few ceo's have had. two things i worry about, what is good for ex-season not always what's good for america. exxon did a deal with the kurds, in which they got the oil from northern iraq. the state department, the national security council, the defense department all said was a bad idea, because it would break iraq apart. exxon said, we don't care.
it's good for our shareholders, perfectly fine, perfectly appropriate, we hope that as he transitions to be secretary of state, he will put the interest of the broader interests of the country. and it's quite possible he will, it's quite -- one should hope and expect he will. the puzzle here does remain the russia angle, it's not rex tillerson, he's a fine businessman, he's done what he should do for his company if you add it all together. donald trump's repeated soft generous statements toward putin and russia, the appointment of mike flynn who has taken money honoring putin and the russians. now, tillerson, you wonder whether there is some kind of strange pro russian tilt here that is inexplicable. i have to say, i think that it would be wrong to cast aspergszs
on rex tillerson without giving him a chance to explain some of this, he has a lot of the background you would look for in a highly competent secretary of state. >> i want to bring in the general now. he has close ties to russia. received one of the highest awards a foreign person can receive from russia. are you troubled by that friendship? >> i am, from the perspective we need to be cautious. as fareed laid out very well. you have to be kushs in the type of relationship we want to try to establish with russia, what that means is, there's nothing wrong with trying to embrace russia in a measured, trust building way, we've not defined what that is, it's dangerous to try to define syria as the testing ground for where we may find a way to cooperate and work together with the russians. that's as dangerous as it can be.
we've never worked with the soviets or russia, there's a lot at stake there. syria is not a place you want to do that, there are a number of places where we could engage with russia, and walk down a path that would allow us to have a better more trusting relationship. right there, it's not there, we can't scale and jump right into this. >> to fareed's point, the intelligence, exxon has sources, primarily sources all over the world. they have employees all over the place that can give you immediate realtime assessments of what's taking place on the ground. that's invaluable. and that's the breaking news. cnn is learning that rex tillerson will be picked as secretary of state. i want to talk about the hacking. 17 u.s. intelligence agencies concluding russia is responsible.
trump calls it ridiculous, and won't even say the russians did it, why is he taking on the intelligence community like this? >> well, you know why, don. it's one of the unfortunate character traits of donald trump, he's thin skinned, defensive, takes everything personally, everything is about him, imagine if donald trump as president-elect were to say something completely different, were to say, look, the whole issue of cyber warfare is really serious, it's very important. i look forward to reading the reports and getting briefings from the intelligence community. we'll take it seriously, it doesn't change the election, he's still won, it doesn't change anything, he's just approaching it seriously, in the way it should be taken. cyber warfare is the next frontier what the russians appear to be doing all over europe, is this clever cyber warfare, where they influence
political events, elections, and they do it with plausible deniability. and doing it in these ways that are difficult to prove. i think this is a very serious problem not taking it seriously is ire response. it cannot change the outcome of the election. surely donald trump doesn't want to live in a country that is hostage too a foreign country's ability to meddle. i would bet you what the russians have done, is they hacked into the democratic and republican national committees, they are leaking the democratic national committee stuff because for now they favor trump, but they are holding stuff about the republicans because they want to have leverage with trump. if that's the case, that's not very good for donald trump either, and he should learn about it, and we should learn what are the best ways the
united states can count er that kind of new warfare. >> don, absolutely, without a doubt. the cyber domain is a domain of warfare, we have air, ground, et cetera, we have rules that govern all that. cyber is an ungoverned common, folks exist and operate and do thi things online without any rules. we have to assume they are attacking us, we have an ability to pick that up. our nsa is unmatched. they, the russians and others that mean us harm, have incredible capabilities, we have to assume, i would say, every time you go online, you hit send, you consent to monitoring, someone is picking up what you're doing and how you're doing it, yes, the russians are doing that and we have to be aggressive. what the president-elect should do is say, russia did try to get
into our election, we were successful, we can't draw cause ailty in terms of how that influenced the outcome. let's not talk about that. okay, man, i know what you're doing, i know how you're doing it, i know you did it. let's establish some rules. we can work together and let's establish what that looks like. >> i appreciate it, when we come back. it's been five months since donald trump held a news conference, and the one he promised for this week, that's postponed. why the delay? we'll talk about that. time is life. we have 18,000 people around the world. the microsoft cloud helps our entire staff stay connected and work together in real time to help those that need it. the ability to collaborate changes how we work. what we do together changes how we live.
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here's our breaking news tonight. president-elect donald trump is picking exxon mobil ceo rex tillerson as his nominee for secretary of state. let's discuss now with my panel. thank you all. let me start with david. the tillerson pick, do you think it's going to face resistance and confirmation? >> we'll see. i think there will be some resistance. you had some republicans out there today like senator rubio, saying they -- this is not what they had in mind. you had republicans gearing up on the other front suggesting they want investigations into it, all this adds up to, i think
because mr. tillerson has ties to russia, ties to putin through his business contacts, it's going to face more scrutiny than some of his orpiks. will he be confirmed? i bet he will be confirmed. >> let me go around the table for some quick assessment? >> there were troubling signs today that there was some resistance, but i think one of the interesting things is now that the actual nomination has been put in play, whether that resistance begins to subside. i think president-elect trump has strong faith in rex tillerson's ability to make the case himself, as rex tillerson begins to meet with senators around the hill, begins to confront some of these questions that have been raised with his ties to russia directly. he'll start to get some converts. >> there was a huge push by some of his allies, we're hearing that condoleezza rice is a
supporter of tillerson's, her firm has worked with exxon mobil. bob gates is another name we're hearing. all of these people will be involved in pushing tillerson on the hill vouching for his credentials. i think the challenge for him and trump's team is going to really be making the case that although he has this deep connection with someone like vladimir putin, that's more a reflection of his deep experience across the globe. and all the work he's done for exxon mobil internationally. he does. he's been doing this job for many years, he's travelled internationally, and worked with these leaders for decades. the challenge for them will be making the case that that is more of a reflection of his experience than necessarily his personal relationship with vladimir putin. >> republicans in congress are not quite ready to really challenge him on something this important. we may get to that point, but i
don't think we're there yet. >> an interesting choice to vet, he will not be picked as secretary of state, here's what he said on a facebook post. it was an honor to have been considered for secretary of state of our great country. i have very high hopes the new administration will lead the nation to greater strength, prosperity and peace. i want to ask you first because you worked with mitt romney, what do you think of that? >> i think he's genuinely interested in seeing the administration succeed, i think he's being honest about the fact that they did have good discussions. i think he legitimately was being considered himself. the process, i think that he saw was one that he thinks is going to produce a strong secretary of
state nominee. >> i have to talk about trump not giving a press conference tomorrow. he's going to make the announcement in january. why do you think the delay to them. >> it's a combination of what they're saying, they still have some legal issues to work out. they didn't expect to win this election so they're behind the eight ball in terms of planning for this separation of trump between his business. going back a couple weeks when he was taking calls from world leaders and then having for instance ivanka trump on the phone with him when they talked to the president of argentina, where they have a real estate deal going on. it's not clear to me there's going to be a clean separation. and this is buying them some time to present this to the public. targeting harmful bacteria on your gums. left untreated, these symptoms could lead to more
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because there's been this naturalive out here, that donald trump prizes loyalty above all things, that hasn't been the case, he's been through several campaign managers. when it suited him he moved on. now we're in this phase where even though you have these gentlemen who defended him when no one else would defend him, he's gone with picks that he thinks are going to make him look better what people should understand is that his motivation, one of his top line motivations, hen watts to look good, if a pick is not going to make him look good -- >> i know you like this person, but we're telling you need to move on. >> the sense that i have, it really is donald trump making these decisions ultimately, that's why leading up to these picks, there's been some confusion around who he might select. ultimately donald trump is the only one in this -- in his inner circle who knows what he is thinking, he can change his mind very rapidly as we've seen
during the campaign and the transition. this is driven by him. >> you think these early picks -- these gentlemen were surprised because they supported him very early on and they were not picked? we thought you were loyal? >> well, you know, it's impossible for me to get inside newt gingrich's head and figure that out much based on their public comments. newt gingrich has gone out there, and gone off message from what you would expect from an inside adviser, there may are a little bit of bitterness there. you look at the way he reacted to mitt romney being picked as secretary of state, someone who vehemently opposed donald trump during the election. you got the sense that newt gingrich, that didn't sit well with him, because he had been so loyal. and what was he getting out of that. >> you think this is about avoiding confirmation trouble? >> it's the wants and the needs didn't necessarily match. they may have wanted some of
these bigger jobs, donald trump didn't need them in that. two out of those three, newt gingri gingrich, chris christie and rudy giuliani may have had problems getting confirmed. particularly when you have the stress of a transition and pressures on transition, to make sure people you put up will be confirmed, that probably left them cancelled out. >> donald trump does care so much about stature, and as you were saying, david, how people around him make him look, can you think of anyone that garners more respect than the ceo of exxon mobil, these titans of industry, and generals who literally have medals on their chests. >> also, they're exact letter what he said he wanted to put in place when he was running, he said, we need people who understand business, we need people who aren't of washington. the first three names are a depart sure from that profile.
>> he picked mike pennsylvania as his running mate, even though mike pence endorsed ted cruz in the primaries. >> mike pence is a conservative and donald trump is something other than that. >> he's chosen several major donors or fund-raisers to join his cabinet. he said he was going to drain the swamp, do you think these types of appointments are contrary to that statement? >> you have folks like betsy devos for education. these are establishment people, these are not the people up from the body politics so to speak, these are well healed people who have contributed to the party, who have connections within the party, who have been insider circles throughout their careers, this is who donald trump is sur run readying himself with, i think it's by design. whether it works or not -- >> they're all outsiders. even someone like congressman
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