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♪ good evening. thanks for joining us. sieps the white house is running ouftd patience with president elect trump. there is also breaking news. u.s. officials telling cnn that the hacking tools used do point to russia which may explain some of what josh earnest said this afternoon. especially his tone. >> might be time to not attack the intelligence community. but actually be supportive, of a thorough, transparent, rigorous, non-political investigation into what exactly happened. >> that after president elect trump tweeted this, "if russia or some other entity was hacking, why did the white house wait so long to act?
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why only campaign until after hillary lost." he's made the fact of the timing several times about and it is factually untrue. that notion is not going down well with the intelligence community. some of whom put their lives on the line to keep a president or president elect informed. jim sciutto joins us with new reporting. there is a better picture why the white house came out with such force earlier today. explain. >> reporter: no question. the intelligence community believed for some time that hacking of this scale and with the target being the presidential election of the united states of america, that it would require approval at the senior most levels of the russian government. the way the country is built is top heavy. that means vladimir putin. now they have more evidence to back up that analysis. one being the asphyxiation of the cyberweapons used in the attack. so sophisticated that to use
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those weapons it would almost certainly require the approval, the order in effect of president vladimir putin. so they have had this belief for some time and the more they dig, they have more evidence and intelligence to back up that belief. >> there is a universal held belief in the intelligence community? because earlier we heard about differences between the cia and fbi. >> remember the differences were on motive. there's long been a belief russia was behind the attacks. the question, the disagreement, why? was it to disrupt the process or was it intent to help one candidate, namely donald trump? i've talked to a number of intelligence officials who have had growing confidence in that direction. my understanding from speaking with people in law enforcement is not they dismiss that
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assessment. but they are less confident on others. to be clear, there is no agreement on russia been the perpetrator of the attacks. >> is it clear whether the hacking activity is continuing? or attempting to continue is this. >> reporter: law enforcement officials telling us at cnn and my colleagues that it is continued. it's continued in fact unabaded since the election targeting u.s. political institutions, political parties. that includes the democrat party. there was apparently an unsuccessful phishing attack to the system. and anderson, you have all of this evidence here. growing confidence in fact. a president elect who has now seen the evidence because it is our reporting this intelligence has been shown to him this his classified intelligence briefings and yet the president elect continuing to say in his public comments he doesn't believe russia is behind the attacks and that's got to be the
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drives force in part of what we heard from josh earnest today. and you wouldn't have heard that from josh earnest that effect unless the president gave the authority. >> one doesn't seem to be believe russia is behind it. could be anybody. somebody in their basement. and the other point, that this is still continuing. that efforts to hack are still going on. >> right. and really -- i don't want to say it is not surprising. because it -- everything about this story has been intensely surprising. including the boldness of the attacks. but when you look at it, russia had success here. whether or not they wanted trump to win. they certainly caused ripples here in the american election process. and they have had success in other country, in western europe, in eastern europe. so a view of u.s. intelligence firnls that this is going to continue. almost with the sense of why wouldn't it? have. >> let's bring in the panel
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here. i want to start with monica langley. what are you hearing how donald trump view this is whole hacking idea? >> my understanding is that some within the transition team and advising him believe he is concerned about it. late today i spoke with someone else he said he's spending zero time worrying about the russian hacking and that he's spending all of his time on choosing the best cabinet possible and bringing back good paying american jobs. so they are saying look, whatever will happen with the russian hacking is -- has happened. and that he's not focus opd that. what he's focused on is getting the canbinet and getting jobs. and what he's ticked off
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according to that high-level source i spoke with in trump tower is that the democrats and white house are trying to delegitimatize his election. >> van? >> i think there is legitimate concern here. but you go from delegitimating opponent and now going to institutions. and donald trump trying to delegitimate obama the whole time. so let's take that off. if you delegitimate the election that goins make a lot of americans wonder why am i paying taxes? what's going on here. but then if you turn around and defend yourself and go against everything, you are knocking down another constitution. so you could see a period where all the constitutions start to be eroded. i think if you are the president
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elect and want to govern well you should get out in front of this and own it. and say i'm very concerned about this. i'm going to appoint and take it off the table. the danger is by him being so defensivity looks like me might be complicit, that actually helps to erode faith in him, the election and our intelligence agency. >> kayleigh, as a trump supporter, do you think trump should embrace the idea of a commission, a bipartisan commission? what the transition team has said, kellyanne conway has said, is he's not going stand in its way. the that is what they want to do, they can go ahead and do that. but he's not embracing the idea. >> i think he should embrace the idea of a bipartisan commission, republican congressmen certainly seem to be on board with that idea. that said i understand his frustration. you can only imagine you are just won in a huge victory and you have anonymous individuals within these intelligence agencies leaking information to the washington post and the "new york times" saying that the motive of the russian hackers was to elect donald trump when
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meanwhile you have the fbi saying oh we're not entirely sure that was the motive and then john podesta saying the elector should be brief before they go briefed. i understand the frustration of donald trump. i think she how would embrace the bipartisan commission. but i understand his frustration. >> jim xu sciutto is was. the pl the k the cia, they get their back up against the wall when they hear ha. >> you have had the intelligence committee attacked and dismissed in effect by their future commander in chief. this is a very serious analysis that took months and really more than a year for the intelligence community to reach this conclusion. and i would just dispute one thing that kayleigh said there. it is not anonymous sources
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telling my colleagues and me at cnn this. the dhs, the director of national intelligence who put out the statement a month before the election that russia was behind the hack. tough white house, you have the president talking about it on russia being behind it. i do agree with you, and this is based in part on the fact that this is classified information. it is unnamed officials and sources who are talking about the different assessments of what the motive and. is establishing motive is hard for any investigation. did they just want to disrupt the election or help donald trump. there is disagreement there. but to be fair kayleigh, there is very public accounting and no disagreement from our sources within the intelligence community about who was behind this attack and that is the thing that donald trump is questioning. >> you are absolutely right about that and that is why i said the anonymous sources were leaking the motive. my frustration and i think congress's frustration really is on the 17th, there was a report put out. you had james clapper before congressional committee saying
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we cannot clearly identify the hacks were of course were done by russia. there is no disputing that. that transition getting into the hands of wick leaks we don't have information on that. and all of a sudden today congress was supposed to be brief asked the briefing was canceled. >> there is a line donald trump could walk, which is i don't agree that russia was, you know, impacting the election trying to get hillary clinton to lose and siding with me. but i am concerned about russia's hacking of the systems and there should be an investigation. >> i think the question is what was her motive? whauz it to undermine confidence in the election process? undermine america's security? to influence the election one way or the other? that is the questions that need to be answered. to jim's point, yes this information was known and pointed out by the administration. today josh earnest said in the press briefing on october 7th
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the white house was informed through intelligence briefings that the russian government did authorize this hacking. so they knew back on october 7th. where where are the red flags then, when they knew that the russian government approved them. >> they did. the department of the homeland security. office of the director of national intelligence said and i quote this was intended to interfere with the u.s. election process. they did not say whether to favor one or the other. first who cares? who cares. >> my question, does motive really matter? is it more the fact that they were successful that they were able to do this? and how do we stop it from going forward? >> clearly in our election process. they weren't playing tetris. they were trying to do something to monkey around with the elections. and it is obvious the effect. who benefits? i don't know. there is some reporting they hacked the republicans as well and yet they did not leak any of that. lindsey graham said he was
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hacked. none of it was leaked. >> d.c. leaks or d.c. whispers. >> okay. the intent here was clearly to interfere with our elections. whether this fine distinction whether -- trump, kayleigh is right, has to get in front of this. this will dog him or doom him in his presidency. and we can do not afford a crippled presidency. >> from a national security standpoint if there are vulnerabilities, this can be done again and is still being attempted as jim was reporting. >> in some ways you have a distinction without a difference. two big rivals. you have china that is hacking us to hurt our economy. and then you have russia hacking us to hurt our democracy and to und undermine our confidence in american stugs. this should bring americans too good. hold on a second. we created the internet and now it is being used against us economically and politically.
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and actually having the intended effect because rather than us sitting here together, we're not going to have this. and oh well maybe it was this. it was that. i think somebody in the kremlin is laughing. >> you also have reporting today about the role donald trump's children are going to have. adult kids are going to have. >> right. well the two sons are going to take over trump organization. the real estate empire. the controversy has been we see them influencing the cabinet. and sitting in on the meetings. and i asked about that. and from the day he becomes president the two boy wills no longer sit in on any meetings or be involved. they are going to abide by a bright line. >> why wait? >> well because this is the transition and he's not running the government. okay? that is what i'm told. i'm telling you what i'm told. and that is what they plan to do. now, on the real estate, on whether it is going to be
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disposed of and sold, a lot of people are calling for the whole properties to be disposed of. they are not going to do that. they are going to hold on to all the real estate, all the property, the trump properties that have his name everywhere around the globe. >> he's not going divest from that. >> he's going to divest them. he's going lay out. >> -- still own it. >> he's going still plan to own it. the reason they are not going sell is because so many people say why don't you just liquidate. at first if you sold it, it would be a fire sale, how can you buput all of these properti on the market all at once. now what they are finding is so many people may want to buy a trump property. in so many foreign countries. they could go for really high prices. right now it is a no-win situation. if we sold these properties for really high prices people would
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say oh we're taking advantage of our property. >> and also reporting on ivanka trump and her role. >> right there was some discussion she could take over the first lady's office in the east wing. and she wasn't happy about that. and that she -- she believes that she had -- would have a more substantive role. so i understand that she would want to be in the west wing and she and jared are looking for -- to full and complete separation from both of their businesses. and they both have substantive businesses. he has a big real estate empire. and she has her own fashion business. they are trying to separate everything by the first of the year because they want to come to washington to help donald trump. >> so somebody else -- i don't know if we know the details. somebody else would run ivanka trump's branded businesses or the businesses would cease to be functioning. >> i think she's still determining but she's making it
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clear she realizes, unlike her father who says i don't have a conflict because i'm president and there is no against my being the president. and she understands there are all kind of laws that would apply and they said we've got to completely separate. we're going to make this crystal clear and they don't want to be attacked that way. i know ivanka wants to be in the west wing and not the east wick. she and melania have talked about their roles and melania plans to be at any state din asker to be the first lady. not ivanka. and i think there was a lot of talk well since ivanka is going to be there before melania and i know she doesn't like that. she said would they say this about a boy? she was saying to people. and she said like what is this? like twenty years ago. so she wants to be very substantive and present in the west wing. >> in the west wing she would actually have a formal policy role? >> she wouldn't have a formal role. she wants to be theinformally as
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first daughter and advocate. and advise on that and other issues. she wants to be in the west wing but not as a paid person and be informal. but she does want an office in the west wing. >> and also president obama weighing in on the hacking story and possibility of retaliating against russia. and also in spite of sanctions donald trump could end uplifting some against russia. and this long-running feud over the size of here we go again, donald trump's hands. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine.
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moscow. former trump surrogate joins us now. congressman kingston. good to have you. you met in moscow with american business leaders. was that on behalf of the incoming trump administration? >> it was not. i belong to an international law firm and we've been in moscow for twenty years. and what we've been doing in the wake of the election and some before the election is we've had a election summaries in brussels and london and australia and this one happened to be in moscow. and we work typically with our client base, but also with american chambers of commerce over there and we just give them a report from the fox hole of america. >> did those business leaders see you as an envoy for the president elect? you have been an national television many times as the donald trump surrogate? >> well i think that people may see me as somebody who knew and followed the election. you know i have the honor of also working with john boehner.
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trent lott. a lot of really good people on both sides of the aisle. when say see us theys often see us identified with a particular candidate and as you know i had the honor of following the campaign on a volunteer basis every single day. and was -- tried to keep up to speed on all of the issues as well as i could. >> so in your conversations with russia, did you talk the possibility of trump lifting sanctions against russia? sanctions related to russian aggression in ukraine is this. >> i think the big overarching theme was that for american businesses in russia, they do about $50 billion a year, these are fortune 500 companies that have been there 20 to 30 years and they have weatherered a lot of political stormed and high security type issues and they
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want a good working relationship. it was disbanded when russia evaded ukraine, the past one. but the fuopportunity for a new administration to look at things with fresh eyes is a always a good thing. >> do you think they should be li lifted? >> i don't think based on information i have. but most people would say the results were spotty at boast. lindsey graham talk about maybe we should increase sanctions. i think again the new administration should go in whatever directions that it wants, but i don't think you can think the sanctions have achieved the results that people thought they would or they hoped they would. >> they have hurt the russian
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economy. significantly. >> and sometimes, you know, we have to remember that when you do that, you are laying off russians. you are laying off americans as well. maybe to some people that is in the best interest. but, you know, in the spirit of cooperation and communication, looking at these things, keeping a good relationship with one of the largest economies and largest nations in the word, it is also a good thing. you know, we overlook a lot of things that china does. and a lot of things that other trading partners do. and i'm not advocating for this at all. i'm just saying in a frank conversation, when you have americans doing $50 billion of business on the ground in russia, we should keep good communications with that. and some of the rhetoric coming out of washington might not be as productive as people think it is. we've got to address syria together. we've got to address the ukraine. these are all very very important issues but you can still have an on going business relationship while these military-type issues are being
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resolved. >> congressman, thank you. appreciate your time. congressman jack kingston. >> also back with the panel. and jim sciutto. we want to report what president obama told npr we need to take action and we will. your reaction to that? what would be the actions for retaliation? >> you basically have an escalating menu of options. it starts with naming and shaming. in private first which we know the president did first with vladimir putin. in china this past summer and then going out in public saying we know what you did. and they did that in october a month before the election. and then you get to further steps, one you discuss with jack kingston, economic sanctions. the response to russian military action in ukraine. and it's imposed economic action but not to the behavior on the
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ground. then tough next step, which is to retaliate in cyberspace. and what we know is the u.s. has tremendous capabilities. arguably the best in the world and that ranges from exposing embarrassing information about vladimir putin. you could expose information about his finances, etc. but it also goes to the degree of something like turning the lights off in moscow. right? i don't know that they could do that. but they could certainly attack critical infrastructure systems in russia. the trouble with that and this is something the obama administration has expressed publicly is we assume our anniversaries have similar capabilities. so if you do that then are you in a cycle of escalations. those are the risks. so you have that whole range. they have already taken a couple of steps in that range. what is the next step up the ladder is this. >> there are certainly some who believe president obama certainly should have had a more
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vigorous response earlier. the point was made why wasn't more done early on. >> you just heard there is a ladder that you climb. i think part of what i just find just bizarre right now is is that you are talking about russia, who as best i can tell is an enemy, ab anniversary of the united states government who as best i can tell is doing as much as it can to disrupt us inside the homeland and yet republican leader after republican leader continues to come out with these kid glove comments about well maybe we shouldn't be hurting our economy too much and business --. listen, i can certainly have that conversation. but it strikes me as bizarre. i can't imagine if president obama turned out when running for office turned out the nigerians and chinese has been hacking and i causing all chaos that afterwards we should be turning around and talking about having better economic ties.
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i'm just confused by it. >> kind of the reversal here. i remember growing up in the 1980s and the '70s when it was republicans saying let's be tough on the soviet union. >> putin is strong because the u.s. has been weak the last eight years. and he's going to the next step which would be certainly more strong. but what we have been doing up to this point is clearly not working. so we absolutely have to step it up. >> trump was suggesting the entire campaign we should have some friendly relationship with russia and it is quite ionic. we are to go both bush. but with that precedent obama came without the russian reset button. he negotiated a start treaty.
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and then what did russia do? invade crimea. so president elect trump has to think through this. think through the actions russia has taken, after being extended a friendly overture by presidents and maybe president elect trump is the one who can make them a strategic partner. certainly that would be great. we could avoid some of the atrocities we've seen this aleppo perhaps. but he has to co- -- >> putin's aing through and only understands strength. -- a thug and only understands strength. terrific accomplishment by the way. hillary clinton helped negotiate that. the reset fundamentally though was a failure i think. and i think most fair-minded people would is a i. and i say that as a big obama supporter. the united states should have retaliated sooner. we should have done this six months ago. i do not -- i believe president reagan. which is peace through strength. it is very telling what donald
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trump is saying. he doesn't just want good relations. this is a man who attacked a gold star family. he attacked p.o.w.s. a man with a disability. he attacked the hope pope. and never uttered a word of criticism against vladimir putin who's a thug and dictator. why is that? i know what his son said in 2008. he said russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. we see a lot of money pouring in from russia. that was eight years. maybe it's changed but we don't know trump won't release his tax returns. there is reason we don't know why the only person or entity this man will not stand up to or attack is vladimir putin in russia. >> one of the things donald trump has repeatedly said is vladimir putin had said something nice about him. he said this repeatedly. i guess the translation was wrong of what vladimir putin actually said. he did donald trump is bright.
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not meaning bright intelligent but a sparkly shiny bright and some question what vladimir putin actually meant. but that does seem, people are nice to donald trump, he's generally nice to them until they are not nice and then he tries to counter punch. i do think think there is an element. >> donald trump's whole campaign was by counter punch he does play along until -- remember he liked ted cruz. until they were at it and then hen went at it with everything e had. after his wife, father etc. >> the good thing would be if this is just some sort of bizarre psychological problem that he's just nice until he's not. if that's all, then fine. but if there is machine than that. if you can connect all the dots,
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i won't release my taxes because i have a financial conflict of interest. and they won't help me get elected. then you start running into a real danger of legitimacy in your own country. >> i think it is a big mistake that just because donald trump speaks friendly of putin at this point that they are friends. >> -- finally admitted they never actually met. never actually talked. >> as he gets closer to inauguration, assumes the mantle of the presidency and he is in the position to take force if needed he's certainly going to be much stronger than we've seen to this point. if putin strikes against america and he's the president of the united states he's going -- >> he just struck against america. that is the whole point. what we're talking about the fact -- listen, cyberwar is real war in the 21st century. when a country strikes at you and cyberwar that is the real deal and that's happened and he's not responded and he won't
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even believe our own spies. >> [ inaudible ]. >> the question he has whether or not it was to influence the exact election o or whethers of the influence for him. whether it was the undermine the american process. >> -- wasn't it? >> and he's not saying we shouldn't investigate that. he's saying we certainly should investigate that. >> he's saying he's fine if someone wants to investigate it but he's not calling for an investigation. >> he said he's perfectly fine with an investigation to determine what they did. >> if isis did this he would be calling for everything possible to respond. russia is doing exactly the same thing. and well geez, if you want to look into it. there is something weird here and i think it undermines confidence of the american people who are paying attention earlier. i think it is totally unnecessary. >> we got to take a break. more on president obama telling npr we need to take action
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president obama has told npr we need to take action and we will, in response to russia's hacking. joining me is my panel. director, what do you make of president obama's comments. what options does the united states have in a situation like this? well president obama is kind of the master of the empty threat. it was four years ago that he threatened syria with severe consequences if they crossed the red line and used chemical
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weapons against their own people. they did exactly that and he shrugged and handed the problem over to russia. so one takes his threats with a grain of salt. the other problem is we have not hardened our electric grit the way the russians have theirs and others have theirs. and it could be quite vulnerable to hacking, especially against the control systems, which run over the internet. and the internet is very welcoming to outsiders. it was designed to everybody could share, share, share. so getting into it and hacking in it and causing trouble in it and not as hard as we wish it was. we have a very good system out of the fort at nsa and very able people and very able american hackers. but you can't harden the electric grid overnight. and it takes some work and some
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commitment. and we've seen none of that from the obama administration. >> we have some audio we want to play. and then we'll continue the discussion. >> i think there is no doubt when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections, that we need to take action. and we will at a time and place of our own choosing. >> so director, when you were saying russia has hardened their electric, is the implication if the united states was to retaliate through cyber means against russia that it could be this tit for tat back and forth can we're perhaps more vulnerable? >> it could have some serious problems. look at what russians did in aestonia and crimea and ukraine
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going against their electric grid.estonia and crimea and ukr going against their electric grid. the russians have been trying to compromise electric grids for at least eighty years. they instituted a system, otherwise known as lying. they have used it and have hundreds of thousands of people committed to working on it. according to the head of romanian intelligence who defected back in '89 to us. and says in his books and otherwise that russia is all the time trying to undermine western democracies. they focused on europe more until relatively recently, going after some of the weaker political parties in europe and so forth. they have now expanded to here. but it is not new. and russia, even when they smile
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they still maintain the disinformation program. and they are right now probably finding some way to try to get into the system. it was not hacking up until relatively recently. now it is hacking. but they have used different technologies over the years and over the decades. this is not new that they are trying to damage western democracy. >> general hertling what do you make of the possibilities of the u.s. to retaliate? >> there is no possibility anderson. we're in the midst of a cybercampaign right now. it is not all out cyberwarfare. when i was commander a few years ago it was an element of our defense of europeampaign right . it is not all out cyber warfare. when i was commander a few years ago it was an element of our defense of europe. we've seen many examples of
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this. mr. podesta and mr. graham several others have placed spy ware in their systems. it's effected the trust of government information. that is the first step. the next thing is how do you affect infrastructure? what do you attack and how? and you have to be very quiet and nuanced to make sure the attacker is not known specifically. we've seen that in this entire campaign that russia has initiated several years ago. and it has peaked in the last several months and finally if you get to the full extent of a campaign you are talk about some type of shut down. whether a financial apparatus, a electoral power grid or elemeri element. the president, in his statement tonight have suggested there are counters to this. one of tmain elements of the cy
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warfare is you never allow anybody to know exactly what you are doing and it has to be done in a nuanced approach and i think that is what the president is saying, is hey, we've got capabilities too. be careful what you are doing russia because it could come back to haunt you in a variety of ways and i think that is the threat that the president was making in a very nuanced way tonight. >> and pointed out in a time and place of our choosing. >> just in terms of an investigation, is that something you support? you have right now republicans and democrats calling for a full investigation of exactly what happened, how it happened, is that something you would support? >> sure. i think we need to know what took place in a congressional investigation or national commission would be one way to do it. but, you know, one thing we have to keep in mind here and the general referred to it. in a way. is, "noise doesn't help lhelp a
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lot. talk about we are shaming you doesn't help a lot. walk softly and carry a big stick. and sometimes it is better to say nothing and carry a big stick. or increase the size of your stick as you can. but let them wonder where things are coming from. don't always get out there and start trumpeting about what you are doing. >> interesting. >> and that is exactly what russia has been doing. they have allowed us to wonder where it's coming from and unfortunately some of our politicians have fallen right into the laps of that. and saying gee, i wonder if it's russia. i wonder if it's a fat guy sitting on a bed or academy of those other things. so i i think we better be careful because there is 21st century warfare and it is very aggressive. >> and russians call it contact-free war. it is not contact-free between bullets and human beings but it is contact free between
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since the election we've been going across the country listening to voters. tonight we go to a pocket of west virginia. voters many of them lifelong democrats who backed donald trump. martin savidge reports.
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>> reporter: in mcdowel county things are so bad the sheriff has to plead with commissioners to not layoff half his deputies. >> not only are the layoffs going to hurt? the sheriff's department cut us in half. but they are going to hurt the whole county. >> things are so bad 32-year-old adam rourke has been laid off three times in one year. >> it's hard. >> things are so bad the local walmart closed. once home to million dollar coal field, today mcdowell county rates last for almost everything in west virginia with almost one exception. deaths due to precipitation opioids, it ranks number two. and people blame the coal industry for all of it. so when they say. >> we're going to put a lot of coal miners and a lot of coal
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out of business. >> and we're going put them back to work. >> is it any wonder why 75% of the mcdowell county vote forward donald trump. and this is no republican stronghold. every elected official here is a democrat. including the sheriff. >> been elected nine times as a democrat. >> and when you voted this time? >> i vote forward donald trump. >> reporter: and county commissioners. >> i vote forward donald trump. >> reporter: like his father and grandfather he's also a coal miner and democrat. >> he was all excited, ding ding ding ding. and most of us like coal miners. >> in a state where most of its residents are linked to coal mining, folks already feel a difference. they especially like trump's pro-fossil fuel choice to head the epa. >> since the election, the coal
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industry seems to have changed a little bit. maybe they had to. >> rourke's been called back to work at the seneca mine and is hearing about other operations starting back up. >> is it the way it used to be? >> at the moment, not 100% the way it used to be, but i'm hoping it will get back close to it. >> we're hoping that president-elect trump, when he's elected, he probably can't do everything. you know what, he can't. be if he'll do half. try, just try to help us, it's more than we've had in eight years. >> no one i spoke with are expecting a return to the days of king coal, but in dowell county, things are so bad, they'll settle for just about everything. >> this was not based on hurting, this was based on -- >> livelihood. hopes and dreams. hopes and dreams. >> martin, what can you tell us about reports of new activity
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for coal production, president-elect trump possibly being involved. >> reporter: there's a lot of excitement down here about that and there are already some mines that are at least looking they're going to reopen. donald trump is expected to be good for business. he's also talked a lot about improving the american infrastructure again. that's building bridges and building highways. all of which takes steel. and you can see the coal that comes out of that southwestern part of west virginia? they don't use it to generate electricity. it's too good for that. this is the highest grade coal in all of the world. it's used for primarily one thing. making steel. they hope they'll be busy. anderson? >> martin savidge, thanks very much. up next, donald trump versus the editor of "vanity fair." their feud started decades ago when carter branded trump a
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short-fingered vulgarian. now trump is taking aim at carter for a totally different reason. ♪ ♪ ♪
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president-elect trump has reignited a feud with an old enemy. it took one tweet he posted this morning. has anyone looked at the really poor numbers of "vanity fair" magazine? graydon carter will be out. car don is the long-respected editor of the magazine. trump's vendetta goes back apparently 30 years. and this times it looks like a scathing headline in "vanity
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fair" set him off. randi kaye tonight reports. >> the headline was probably enough to get under donald trump's skin. trump grill could be the worst restaurant in america, referring to the steak restaurant in the lobby of trump tower. the review was posted late wednesday in "vanity fair." on the filet mignon it reads, the steak slumped to the side over the potatoes like a dead body inside a t-boned minivan. and in describing the short rib burger, the reviewer wrote, it was molded into a sad little meat thing sitting in the center of a massive rapidly staling brioche bun, hiding its shame under a slice of melted orange cheese, along with it, woody batons called fries. seemingly in response, trump turned to his keyboard wheeling insults at graydon carter. the two men have done this dance for decades. carter has covered trump for 40 years. date back to when he was the
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editor of the satirical magazine, "spy," which often mocked trump. it was 1988 when carter first described trump as a short-fingered vulgarian on the pages of "spy" magazine. >> look at those hands. are they small hands? >> reporter: listen to what trump told "the washington post" following that debate where marco rubio mocked trump's hands. >> nobody other than, you know, graydon carter, years ago, used that as a, you know, but my hands are normal hands. >> reporter: remember, graydon carter first mentioned trump's hands 28 years ago. so the insult isn't something the president-elect has forgiven or forgotten. in fact, in november, 2015, carter shared in "vanity fair" that occasionally trump sends him an envelope containing a photo of trump's hand circled with a gold sharpy pen along with a note that reads, see, not so short, referring to his fingers. after carter wrote about that, trump tweeted.
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"i have watched sloppy graydon carter fail in "spy" magazine and now am watching him fail at "vanity fair" magazine. he is a total loser." trump called carter a loser back in 2012, too. "dummy graydon carter doesn't like me too much. great news. he is a real loser. @vanityfair." trump once even slammed carter's new york city restaurant in a tweet. don't be grading carter who is presiding over dying "vanity fair" magazine is also presiding over dying waverly inn, worst food in city. and now on "vanity fair's" website, a brand-new banner that reads the magazine trump doesn't want you to read. the saga continues. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> all right. in the next hour of "360," more on president obama's tough talk aimed at russia for the election hacking and what to make of it. stay with us.
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