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the video you're about to watch is disturbing to say the least and is hard to watch. >> grabbing that -- >> gee. >> damn. >> the victim is 18 years old. a young man with special needs. president obama calls an the video despicable while talking to a chicago cnn affiliate about that specifically and racial tensions in general. >> here's how i think about it. i don't think it's actually to say race relations have gone the worse. i came to chicago in '85. you were there during the wars. i promise you, race relations haven't gotten worse. but what is true is that in part because we see visuals of racial tensions, violence, and so forth because of smartphones and the internet and the media, what we've seen is surfacing i think a lot of the problems that have been there a long time. whether it's tensions between police and communities, whether
it's hate crimes of the despicable sort that has just now recently surfaced on facebook, i take these things very seriously. >> president obama, that was him late today. ana cabrera joins us from chicago on more. charges filed against the four people for their roles in the sickening crime. what more do we know about it? >> reporter: they are facing a number of different charges, anderson, including aggravated kidnapping, aggravated battery with a deadly, hate crime. the hate crime stems from the racial epithets we can hear in the video and because police say the victim has a mental disability. they believe that played a role in this assault. we've learned that three of the suspects are just 18 years old. one is 24. two are african-american men, two african-american women. the victim is white. we're learning more about exactly what unfolded. police say the victim was hanging out for a couple of days
before this attack with one of the suspects who was also a friend from school, jordan hill. and then on tuesday, they went to this residence where the attack occurred and met up with the larger group. now, you see in the video he is tied up. they hit him. they kick him. ply say at one point they even made him drink out of the toilet. you also see in the video they're using a knife to cut his hair all the way down to his scalp, to the point where they make his scalp bleed. anderson, police say the video is obviously a key piece of evidence in this case. but they also say that the suspects confessed to the assault, as well. anderson? >> and how did this end? how did police find the victim? i understand they found him on the street. >> reporter: right, the victim apparently escaped. they found him wandering on the street about a block away from where they say the assault occurred on tuesday. they say he was bloody. he was battered. he was wearing a tank top and shorts. it is freezing here.
they say he was incredibly distraught, so traumatized he could hardly speak speak. apparently he managed to escape when a neighbor near the residence where this happened comrachbd noise, went and apparently interrupted the assault and called police, anderson. >> and the motive, what have police said about it? because as you mentioned, hate crimes, there's a racial component and also perhaps because he has special needs. >> reporter: they don't believe they attack was premeditated. in fact, police say based on interviews with the victim as well as the suspects that jordan hill, one of the suspects and the victim, initially got into a playful fight is the words they used. that then escalated out of control. they tell us that it was the women who allegedly tied up the victim and then you see what happened after that on the video with the following assault. but we are told the victim was likely held for four to five hours before he escaped. >> and the video itself, i've
watched a couple minutes on it. it goes on for quite a long time, doesn't it? >> reporter: we know it was at least streaming for about 30 minutes. our understanding is there could be even other videos, other people who were also recording and streaming up to three video but the main video which we are showing you some of those clips that are so hard to watch, that was 30 minutes long. when you watch the video, the woman who is recording it, one of the suspects in custody, an 18-year-old, she is commenting, she's laughing. she's talking about some of the comments she's getting in her facebook live streaming, some people even saying somebody's going to go to jail. it's all really disturbing and again, you hear a lot of explatives. but a lot of racial undertones in there. even at one point they mention president-elect donald trump. police say they don't believe this attack was politically motivated at all. in fact, they say some of the things that you hear in the
video may have just been these suspects trying to make a headline, anderson. >> not even racial undertones but overtones in a lot of the it. anna, thanks very much. with us criminal defense attorney danny seb vallos, symone sanders and joey jackson, cnn legal analyst and defense attorney. joey, obviously, just a who are rick videotape, sickening to see. how likely is it you think these hate crimes charges will be successful? >> i think it's very likely. from a human perspective, where is the humanity? what has society become and what are redoing to be as legitimate examples for our young people such that they believe this is not only acceptable behavior but behavior that should be funny and that everybody should look at it. so i do think when you look at the statute itself that talks about hate, it's predicated upon number one, prosecutors would have to establish this was motivated by some racial
component, maybe because this victim was white. but number two also because of the mental impairment and disability. when you have them behaving in that fashion, it doesn't take a rocket scientist. think who will be evaluating this, jurors, people who could use common sense and good judgment. they'll have to make a decision too whether this was something motivated by race or motivated by any mental impairment. i don't think it's that much of a stretch for the hate crimes to stick. >> i money, when you first saw this yesterday, you said it was sickening. you weren't sure if it constituted a hate crime. do you think so now that the police are actually charging? >> i think the prosecutors have done the right thing. they found all the reasonable cause they needed to find. i think it's dangerous for folks that aren't legal experts like myself in fact, to have this really in-depth conversation about the legality of something because i think it waters it down and kind you have takes away from the disgusting
sickening acts that happen. that's some of what transpired on the air last night. people were angry on social media saying how could you not say this is wrong. perhaps we should -- i should be looking at it. >> to use the term hate crime, if this was for skinheads doing this to an african-american teenager who had a disability, wouldn't it it be fair to call it a hate crime? >> i think yesterday, today it is absolutely a hate crime. yed on air when it all broke, we didn't have all the details. >> but you see it now as a hate crime? >> i definitely do. i have seen all the details, but regardless, if i think it's a hate crime or not, i think we're having the wrong conversation, if you will. i think the conversation needs to be about what was that young man feeling that was being assaulted? how did we get here as a community where these kids think it's okay to go out and do this? why are we so polarized. i think that's a separate
conversation from is this wrong. absolutely it's wrong. a lot of times in the heat of the moment when things first happen and we've got our initial reactions. but i really think taking a step back, you know, it's more so about yes, this is wrong, this is disgusting. these young people should be prosecuted, justice should be served. but we need to have some additional conversations can i think about our society. >> danny, it is extraordinary that these four who were doing this had no qualms about streaming this live for you know, 30 plus minutes. >> we live in an amazing era for law enforcement. i've seen this in court firsthand. social media criminals can will often post what they did on social media in cases that would otherwise. >> or what they're going to do. >> in cases that would otherwise be no case for the prosecution. a defendant single-handedly makes the case against himself by posting images or video of him essentially committing the crime. so we're in a new era. there's dashcam video, body cam
video and social media which is capturing all this stuff. that is called evidence in court. >> but i mean, do they not even realize that, and i'm not just talking about these four, do they not realize this is going to be used against them. >> this is a different generation. from what i can see, the allure of potential viral fame of instant celebrity that if you can call it celebrity on social media, that allure is too much for people and they end up posting these things that are just damaging to them for a lifetime. >> i'm going to say i don't think they probably even thought about the ramifications of what they were doing. clearly, there was something wrong for them to even engage in the act of torture and assault that happened. so i mean, young people all across the country are not thinking. they're posting on twitter, on facebook, on instagram. we always talk about words matter. but our actions on line matter. and they can get us, quote
unquote, caught up. in this instance, charged with crimes. >> joey, the idea one of them was allegedly a friend of this young man is just -- >> you've heard the expression, if that's a friend who needs an enemy. you treat your friends like this? from a perspective of society as the a whole, where have we gone that young people feel this is appropriate that it's proper that we should look at this, it's funny, by the way. we should weigh this in and have everybody take a part of this. they'll have a long time to think about it because the aggravated kidnapping charges is six to 30 years. will they get that? i don't know. i'm sure defense tloerns argue age as mitigation. not that that excuses it. certainly when you're younger, defense attorneys will be arcing the focus is on rehabilitation. that's what we'll see. it's very disturbing to have happen. i think there will be a legislative response in as much as filming and streaming these things states are going to look at the legislative value in making that in and of itself
criminal. it's just disturbing. >> they should encourage it because it's fantastic for law enforcement. detectives will tell you facebook is often the first place they go to look for evidence and they will find it because some criminals aren't that discriminating when it comes to posting wise things online. this case we're talking a lot about hate crimes. the hate crime charge in this case isn't the most serious crime. it's aggravated kidnapping. illinois and federal law covers not only hate crimes against based on race, but also mental and physical disability. and that's also a possibility here in this case. but under both state law and federal law. >> appreciate the discussion. thank you all. we're going to have a lot more. more breaking news on the election hacking story. what's in the classified report that the president obama got and donald trump is going to get tomorrow and donald trump's take on it all? we'll be right back.
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a lot more happening tonight. breaking news on the intelligence communities's assessment that russia meddled in the presidential election. they briefed president obama today and went before the senate armed services committee and tomorrow the heads of the cia, fbi and director of national intelligence will be brief ago president-elect trump. tonight's breaking news has do with how the intelligence community believes the stolen data got to wikileaks. pamela brown is back with more on what she's been learning. so there's confidential intelligence report, what do we know so far. >> reporter: we've learned the report includes identifications of the go between people that the russian government relied on to provide those stolen e-mails to wikileaks according to officials we've spoken with. sources tell us these are third party people that the russian
government used essentially to give russia plausible deniability in the election hacks. in addition did, we've learned the report includes intercepted communications of russian government officials expressing happiness at trump's win just one factor bolstering this view within the intelligence community that russia was behind the hacks. >> and these intercepted messages we talked about earlier tonight from russia according to u.s. officials, some of them were allegedly congrat latory over trump's win. >> reporter: that's what we're told. essentially these intercepted conversations had these officials being congratulatory, celebritier to. we're told there is no single communication that qualifies as a smoking gun on russia's intention to benefit trump's candidacy or claim credit for doing so. sources say it's one small piece of the puzzle officials relied on to create this fuller picture of russia's involvement and motive. >> donald trump is still set to receive that breaking tomorrow. >> that's right. we expect that briefing to happen tomorrow in new york at
trump tower. it will be led by dn pi chief james clapper, also in attendance, admiral mike rogers, fbi director james comey, john brennan. it will be the first time they meet in the same room since trump has publicly cast doubt on the intelligence community's assess the as recently as tonight as you saw, anderson, he did that. this seemed to not sit well with retired general martin demp iscy, the chairman of joint chiefs of staff on what appears to be a significant slam at trump. he tweet tonight intelligence is hard thankless work. fortunately, we have dedicated patriotic and courageous men and women on the job. thanks. so for context on this my colleague and pentagon correspondent barbara starr says until now dempsey has been adamant about stayings a political. clearly tonight, he's breaking from that and this comes on the heels of james clapper's implicit message aim the at trump when he said there's a difference between skepticism and disparagement. we should note as we wrap up
today that trump tweeted he is a big fan of the intelligence community and his team has said he's only questioning the conclusions reached, not the actual intelligence. anderson? >> pam, thanks for that. joining us counter-terrorism analyst phillip mudd, former house intelligence committee chairman mike rogers and rod beck strom, former director of the national cybersecurity center. >> it the u.s. identified the go betweens the russians allegedly used to provide the stolen e-mails to wikileaks. that would be how it goes. it's not like russian intelligence officers are going to be in direct contact with wikilea wikileaks, correct. >> that's right. there's a couple questions we have to ask. what happened? who acquired the information in this case intermediaries who may have passed it to wikileaks. i think the real question that will happen in the conversation i presume at trump tower tomorrow is who was responsible for authorizing that, how close
can we get to the vladimir putin. that's where i think donald trump has a legitimate question. do you know what happened? were the russians or russian entities responsible for receiving information or acquiring information about the american elections, and did vladimir putin know. i think the second half of that question is up in the air. i think the president-elect has the right to ask how confident are you that putin actually knew. i don't think the intelligence guys know that answer. >> chairman rogers, to that specific point. clapper today did talk about that at the public briefing on capitol hill saying that something at this level he doesn't believe, that it goes to the highest reaches and then when questioned who the highest power in russia was, he said it would be vladimir putin and he doesn't believe a lot goes on without his knowing something that would influence politics in another country. >> absolutely. these are covert influence operations. the soviets did them for a long
time and they were very successful at them. they used other techniques. now they have another tool in their tool kit which is cyber. all of that goes to the higher echelons of now the russian government. no doubt in my mind putin knows. remember, they've been actively seeking access into the state department, they've had success in the department of defense. they've had success to members of congress. they've had success i can tell that you a nation state got into my private unclassified e-mail when i was chairman. it was notified by a third nation state that the russians had likely penetrated the nonclassified version of all of that. this happens. so this shouldn't be a shock to us. what should be a shock is to the level that they went and there was no doubt that they took this information, put it on the deep and dark web and it looks appears to me that somebody went in and they notified somebody where to go find it. and get it to wikileaks. this would not be unusual for any russian intelligence
operation. that part really shouldn't be in doubt for us. how it influence influenced the election, all of the politics even everyone obama by the way for trying to make this all political, i think is terrible for the collection efforts of the united states intelligence community. >> rod, you ran the national cyber security center. all these separate pieces to you, do they add up? does the picture that's starting to come together make sense? >> look, clearly the russians have world class trade craft in hacking and cyber security. they clearly could have gotten to the dnc systems, many others. clearly wikileaks published a lot of e-mails that no one denied the accuracy of. the question is how they got from point a to point b. they didn't necessarily come from the russian sources. that's being explored. as chairman rogers mentioned, even when you go into the dark web to, make those connections and be sure you know who the parties are and who is directing them, that's not easy business. i think there's still going to be a lot of questions about
attribution for some time to come. yes, there's a plausible theory here. clearly russians will an interest in this election. there's a big personal vendetta between putin and hillary clinton. clearly when she raised the same concerns about his election namely saying it was a rigged election in 2011 and the russians said that the state department and u.s. intelligence agencies were interfering in their election. so all these issues are going to come out in this discussion and debate. it's an important review and discussion that's going on. we're not going to get to simple certainty. >> phil, you've raised questions and sort of caution about understanding the trade craft is one thing but understanding motive is something different entirely. >> that's right. we have to distinguish here between what we think and what we know. we know that somebody stole information and those individuals were connected to the russian security services. when you hear american
intelligence professionals today in front of senate committee saying we believe that this could not have happened without vladimir putin's consent, that's a judgments. that's not a fact. we are stepping into a zone where we're determining whether to impose sanctions on the russians based on a judgment. i do not agree with the president-elect with his tone in terms of addressing the intelligence community. completely inappropriate. it is, however, appropriate to question whether the intelligence professionals know that vladimir putin was complicit or whether they think. and my answer is they think he was complicit. they don't know, anderson. >> and chairman rogers, certainly the concern it seems like the major concern for donald trump has been that this somehow would be used to delegitimize him in some people's minds and certainly maybe some democrats trying to
do that. but there's no evidence that or it's not you can't say 100% what impact the release of the dnc e-mails had. and we're not talking about hacking of you know, voting terminals, voting booths on election day. >> well, if you're a democrat on the losing ends of this, you think the russians stole the election clearly. that's not what happened here. i think what happened here and again, this whole notion that they hacked the election i think creates absolutely the wrong narrative on what happened. and candidly it's a little bit dangerous. the president fed into this. believe me the president-elect should not have disparaged the community of which he will rely on in many very dangerous circumstances around the world. but i think this whole notion that it rose up to this political level is bad enough. they did not hack the election. they didn't change a vote from a yes to a no. they didn't change a vote from
hillary clinton to donald trump. none of that happened. none of that is documented. >> it could have. they didn't. >> i'm going to dispute that a little bit. they could have done it in a very few places because of the dispersion of our election system and the way it's run, it would be nearly impossible to do it today. if we au went to a completely electronic voting systems, that may be another conversation. they couldn't quite do it today. that's never what the russians intended. as a matter of fact, they've been doing this for a long time. what they want to do is cast doubt into the electoral system so some notion that if they used only that these e-mails that there was congrat to you latory e-mails if that is their basis of fact, i'm worried about the analysts. what you will probably find is inside of that sources and methods very deep and sensitive information classified briefing, you're going to get a very different picture of what they know and don't know and what they think they know. my guess is they have a higher degree of confidence based on
better forensic information on than cyber stuff versus these little -- i would be shocked if they based their decision on these things. if they did, by the way, somebody should give them the wire brush treatment. i'm going to guess what happens in that classified session might be a little bit different. and i hope that the president-elect gets that full picture because he's going to need that. he needs to understand what the russians are doing not just here but all over the world. >> mike rogers thank you, phil mudd, always. more on president-elect trump's take as well as the scolding he got today from vice president biden. if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's, and your symptoms have left you with the same view, it may be time for a different perspective. if other treatments haven't worked well enough, ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn's. entyvio works by focusing right in the gi-tract to help control damaging inflammation
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called the senate minority leader chuck schumer, the head clown. last week, he said, he said just -- doing my best to disregard the many inflammatory president o statements and road belongs thought it was going to be a smooth transition, not in all caps. and exclamation point. >> grow up, donald. grow up. time to be an adult. you're president. you got to do something. show us what you have. you're going to propose the legislation. we're going to get to debate it. let the public decide. let them vote in congress. let's see what happens. it's going to be much clearer what he's for and against and what we're for and against now that it's going to get down to actually discussing in detail these issues that affect people's lives. >> don't think he's going to take that advice. donald trump tweeted a series of complaints about the hacking story late tonight. he weighed in earlier today, as well. more on that from jim acosta.
>> reporter: donald trump is doing some hacking backtracking. one day after the president-elect cited wikileaks founder julian assange's denial that he could included with russia in the u.s. election a tweet retreat. the dishonest media likes saying i'm in agreement with assange. wrong he tweeted. i simply states what he states. it is for the people to make it up their own minds to the truth. the media likes to make it look like i'm against intelligence when in fact, i'm a big fan. he is referring to this tweet yesterday when he seemed to be advocating assange's latest comments tweeting he said a 14-year-old could have hacked podesta. also said russians did not give him the info. >> lock her up. >> reporter: and his support for wikileaks is nothing new especially when it was dumping damaging information on hillary clinton. >> this just came out. wikileaks, i love wikileaks. >> reporter: contrast his shifting on assange with top republicans from arizona senator
john mccain. >> this is really a person who has put the lives of americans in danger. he cannot be trusted for anything. >> reporter: to his old campaign rival ted cruz. >> i think assange has donnie enormous damage to our national security. i would not be praising him under any circumstance. >> reporter: trump is also battling against a growing bipartisan consensus around the u.s. intelligence community's view that kremlin-backed hackers were meddling in the election though gop leaders support his complaint democrats are exploiting the scandal to damage the president-elect. >> russian clearly tried to meddle in our political system. first of all, i think this is what the president-elect is legitimately upset about. there are attempts to try to delegitimize this election. that's just bogus. he won fair and square. he won clearly and convincingly. >> reporter: democrats argue it's more about trump's grasp of reality. >> this is not healthy skepticism as they would like to portray it.
this is very unhealthy essentially avoidance of the facts because they don't suit the president-elect's interests. >> reporter: trump's critics say he harmed had his own credibility this week whether he claiming he would reveal by now new information about election hacking then failing to deliver. >> i also know things other people don't know. so they cannot be sure of the situation. >> what do you know that other people don't know? >> you'll find out on tuesday or wednesday. >> reporter: officials insist the president-elect supports the intelligence community and pushing back on reports he wants to pare back the director of national intelligence in the new administration. >> there is no truth to this idea of restructuring the intelligence community infrastructure. it is 100% false. >> jim acosta joins us now. trump tweeting out new comments tonight. >> reporter: he's spreading more doubts about the intelligence community's findings. he put out tweets.
we'll put them on screen for you saying the democratic national committee would not allow the fbi to study or see its computer info after it was supposedly hacked by russia. how and why are they so sure about hacking if they never can requested an examination of the computer servers. it doesn't account for the fact we're learning that the intelligence community is identifying is some of these go tweenz between the russian hackers and wiki leaks. so the president-elect appears to be behind the news cycle a little bit in that regard. it sets up an interesting confrontation we'll see or not see. it's going to happen behind closed doors between the president-elect and intelligence community when he sits down with the leaders to go after their findings on russian hacking in the november election. it is interesting to note that in that room will be the outgoing director of national intelligence james clapper and the incoming national security advisor to the president-elect mike flynn. flynn was fired by clapper back in 2014. some interesting dynamics at play there, anderson.
>> there's reporting we got in a short time ago about president-elect donald trump's transition team apparently signalling to kong greggs did leaders his preference is to fund the border wall through the appropriations process as soon as april. that would seemingly be a break from the idea of having mexico pay for it as he said over and over again on the campaign trail. what do you make of this? you went to something like i think 100,000 trump ral loys over the past 1 months or so. >> approximately. >> a little exaggeration there. >> reporter: i think it was 99,000, anderson. at every one of those rallies, the big applause line was we're going to build a wall and mexico will pay for it. apparently the fine print is a bit more complicated than that. our hill team is finding out yes, the president-elect's transition team is telling congressional leaders what he wants to see is an appropriations process that will pay for the construction of a wall on the u.s.-mexico border. yes, that is a massive departure from what he said on the
campaign trail. back in october, he began to talk about this shift in this position. he talked about having mexico reimburse the united states government for that wall, not exactly the same thing ascending over a big check across that border, anderson. >> all right. jim acosta, thanks very much. more on the political and policy implications. joining us is professor of public policy and former labor sect robert reisch and anformer reagan political director and trump supporter jeffrey lord. secretary reisch, if donald trump, if the transition team is talking to folks on capitol hill about funding the wall through an aappropriations process, i guess donald trump could say well, you know, mexico will reimburse us down the road. do you see that as a flip-flop? >> anderson, when talking about flip-flops and donald trump, you know, it's difficult because he campaigned in a fact-free
universe. i mean, he told so many lies, bald faced lies that if he were going to revert now and start telling the truth, that would itself be a flip-flop. so it's hard to get your hands around all of this. i mean, donald trump manipulates the truth. donald trump manipulates his audiences. he will probably find a way of wiggling out of this. i mean, he said he was going to jail hillary clinton. he said alln all of lot of thin. he's not going to do things he said he was going to do particularly things that are now nonsensical. my real concern is in two weeks from tomorrow, we are going to have a new president, not only who has told his followers one thing on the campaign trail and is likely to do something else now, but also who has a very careless regard for the truth, does not even want intelligence
agencies or scientists or the media or anybody who disagrees with him to have any kind of a say at all. doesn't want to take any criticism. doesn't want it hear facts at odds with his prior kind of points of view. this is not necessarily a good thing for the country. >> jeffrey lord, would this be a major change or is a reimbursement if that is in fact what donald trump was signaling months ago as jim acosta was reporting, would that still be fulfilling his campaign pledge if that happened. >> anderson, having worked on capitol hill in both the house and senate and the budget committee and that sort of thing, i always assumed that we were talking about reimbursement. to actually build a wall right away you have to get the appropriations, build it, but that there was no doubt in my mind he was going to make an attempt to get money from mexico to pay for it. at some point. i just think that's the logical fact of the matter the way the united states government, would.
so. >> this is completely absurd. mexico is not going to reimburse the united states. >> we'll see, mr. secretary. >> how are we going to force mexico to reimburse the united states? this is an absurd conversation. this is an absurd position. i mean, this man, this is the problem. i mean, we are all trying to normalize something that is not essentially normal. you don't have somebody campaigning on the basis of one set of ideas and coming out and actually once he is two weeks away from becoming president coming out with a completely different position. >> jeffrey. >> mr. secretary, with all due respect, you didn't think he was going to be elected and you weren't alone. a lot of people didn't think he was going to be elected president in the first place and he is. let me just talk about something that's normalizing to slide to the russian situation. what i saw today on capitol hill was i thought disgraceful. this is exactly one of the reasons why donald trump was elected.
president obama has been in the white house for eight years. senator mccain to be bipartisan about this senator mccain and senator graham and others have been in the senate all of those eight years. now you're saying something needs to be done about julian assange. >> what were they doing? how come this wasn't stopped before. the real story is yes, wikileaks exists but why wasn't it stopped? why didn't they do something. that's the real story. >> jeffrey, didn't a lot of folks on capitol hill go after julian assange talk about he should be prosecuted that you know, i think secretary clinton said he has blood on his hands. there was a lot of outrage for many years. >> but outrage doesn't stop cyber warfare. they had to do something. they had to act. and they had eight years. there were all kinds i've been looking through today all kinds of assaults on the u.s. government, the white house, the state department, the irs. noaa. the national ocean and atmospheric administration. the post office. i mean, sean hannity was talking
about this on his radio show today. this is disgraceful. this is a bipartisan shame. these people today ran a hearing that was a classic why people are so upset about washington, d.c. >> secretary reisch? >> i really need to be able to help zero in on what's going on in this conversation. i mean, donald trump has said that he disagrees with the intelligence agencies with the fbi, with the cia, with the nsa. he has disparaged them publicly. he has disapparentlied other sources of facts such as the media and science, scientist who's talk about global climate change, donald trump doesn't want to hear anything he doesn't want to hear. and to disparage the intelligence community when he's going to have to rely on the intelligence community it seems to me is the heist arrogance. and it's very dangerous. where is donald trump getting his facts from if he's not getting them from the
intelligence community? does he have a separate route of facts, separate kind of source of facts? >> mr. secretary, if i may ask you then, when secretary clinton and her campaign blamed the fbi director for her loss, you are upset and offended by that? >> i don't think any candidate or any politician should be blaming the fbi, the cia or denigrating public officials. i would say that that is wrong and it is wrong of donald trump who is going to be president in two weeks. wait a minute. donald trump is going to be president in two weeks. he is going to need government scientists, he's going to need intelligence. he's going to need the fed. i mean, all of these independent sources of fact finding and independent sources of in power, i mean donald trump says he disagrees with them and he disparages them. i mean, how can you run a government if you're going to be disparaging all your sources of information? >> jeffrey, do you think donald
trump has disparaged them? he did tweet out saying intelligence in quotes. >> i think he's a fan of the community. but let's face it, the politization of intelligence has been arab for a long time. >> says he's a fan of the community. has he actually -- has he acted like a fan of the community? because it seems like we heard from clapper today who used the word disparageable. >> yeah, i mean i totally disagree with that. i don't think he's disparaging the men and women who put their lives on the line to do this. that is just not donald trump at all. but i do think he's right to question the leadership and to be perfectly candid. >> wait a minute, who is he disparaging? who exactly. >> goes on with bureaucracies all over washington. they are going to have a bureaucratic way of doing business that he will disagree with and they're going to attack him anonymously in the press. they're going to attack him through allies on capitol hill. this is how this is going to unfold. >> who is going to attack whom in the cia and nsa and fbi are going to attack donald trump?
is that what you're alleging? >> well, why are all these stories anonymously being leaked by various intelligence officials, quote unquote? i mean, who's doing that? >> so what kind of -- so wait a minute, wait a minute, i want to understand something. because you're saying that there is a conspiracy of some sort that you have all the intelligence agencies conspiring and they're going to try to bring donald trump down? is this the assumption here? >> no, but certainly in washington -- you both know certainly in washington, d.c., if there is dissatisfaction in a lot of, in, government agencies people do leak information. >> why is it appropriate for somebody who is president-elect to undercut, disparage, to demean the intelligence agencies just as he does the media, just as he does independent scientists and government scientists. >> i hear you on that. >> department of energy and elsewhere, why is it appropriate to do that simply because you disagree with their conclusions? we've got to leave you
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defund planned parenthood? what happens to planned parenthood if they're successful? >> anderson, speaker paul ryan is one of the republican leaders leading this charge. it's something that republicans here on capitol hill have long wanted to do and in fact in 2015 they did defund planned parenthood. but president obama vetoed that law. president trump of course has spoken in favor of this. but he also has had some various points of view on planned parenthood as he was campaigning for president. so it's an open question how this proceeds here. but we're talking about some $400 million or so that planned parenthood receives for health care service and other things. so obviously, it would be up to them to come up with this extra money through other ways. anderson, this is a long ways from being done. there are two key republican senators. susan collins of maine and lisa murkowski of alaska who have been opposed to this may say tonight that they'll be opposed to this as well. and republicans do have a majority but not that large a majority that they can lose the support. so this is just the very first
step, anderson, of a long process here in repealing obamacare. >> and republicans have been getting a lot of heat for not really having a plan to replace obamacare immediately if they repeal it. it looks like there may be some kind of plan emerging but it won't be a comprehensive replacement. what do we know about it? >> anderson, republicans have many ideas to replace obamacare. after all, they've been voting again and again over the last eight years and more to replace this with a different type of idea. but there's no consensus over what to do exactly. but jon cornyn, the republican from texas, the number two republican in the senate, he told cnn tonight that the senate does not plan to pass a big comprehensive bill. he said it's a far wiser idea to do a series of smaller bills along the way here so it doesn't collapse under its own weight as he says the affordable care act did. but anderson, so many ideas here, and president-elect trump when he becomes president on january 20th, he has yet to weigh in with his exact ideas for this. he says republicans and democrats must work together.
there are few signs of that so far at least in the opening week here on capitol hill. >> all right. jeff zeleny. jeff, thanks. republicans are carrily on a fast track to make good on their promise to repeal obamacare. but with what specifically that is of course the question. tonight tom foreman has more. >> reporter: on the campaign trail the trump plan to replace obamacare was for many months a study in generalities. it would be cheaper, it would be better. >> it'll be a beautiful thing to see. >> reporter: but now more details are emerging and it looks very much like a work in progress. some cornerstone ideas have been around a while such as his call to modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. >> so instead of having one insurance company taking care of new york or texas you'll have many. they'll compete. and it'll be a beautiful thing. >> reporter: skeptics fear that could lead to regulatory gaps which might once again leave folks with chronic illnesses uninsured, a claim trump dismisses. >> obama lied.
remember this -- >> would be able to get insurance? >> yes. >> reporter: still his plan makes no mention of those people. another evolving detail. >> what the insurance companies say is the only way they can cover people is to have a mandate requiring everybody purchase health insurance. are they wrong? >> i think they're wrong 100%. >> reporter: but it's not clear yet how his plan would answer such industry concerns. nor how he would address the cost of trashing obamacare, which a new non-partisan analysis puts at $350 billion over ten years. his team says maybe it won't all have to go. >> so he has committed to retaining those pieces that his advisers will say are working. >> reporter: under the trump proposal, insurance premiums would be tax-deductible. and those who use health care spending accounts would get tax breaks too. plus the right to carry over unused balances year to year. >> it works. it's something that's proven. >> reporter: and what about the poor?
he suggested time and again he remains committed to the idea of universal health care. everyone being covered. >> we're going to take care of them through maybe concepts of medicare. >> reporter: and in that environment figuring out whom to hold accountable can also require some pretty good gathering of intelligence. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. just ahead, we're going to return to the chicago story and look at how and whether it's part of a trend of crimes captured on streaming video. now? excuse me. again? be right back. always running to the bathroom because your bladder is calling the shots? you may have oab. enough of this. we're going to the doctor. take charge and ask your doctor about myrbetriq. that's myr-be-triq, the first and only treatment in its class for oab symptoms of urgency frequency, and leakage. myrbetriq (mirabegron) may increase blood pressure. tell your doctor right away if you have trouble emptying your bladder, or have a weak urine stream.
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we have more on our breaking news at the top of the hour. four african-americans facing hate crime and kidnapping charges in chicago for the beating and torture of a white special needs teenager. the beating, the taunting, torturing was shown on facebook live. >> do you have any insight into why they streamed this on facebook live, what was their motivation for, you know, publicizing this? >> i can't understand why anybody puts anything on facebook. >> well, millions use facebook and a significant number now have seen crimes committed on facebook. now, a warning before we bring you the story some of what you see can be tough to watch. randi kaye has more. >> reporter: june last year in chicago. antonio perkins is on facebook live drinking tequila with friends. it's the last thing he does
before he's shot dead. [ gunshots ] perkins falls to the ground. his camera does too but keeps recording. >> oh, my god! oh, my god! >> reporter: police look into whether perkins' killer used facebook live to pinpoint his location. but a suspect is never identified. ♪ in norfolk, virginia a month after that shooting three men are hanging around in a car singing along to music, all of it streaming over facebook live. their music is suddenly interrupted by gunfire. the camera falls but keeps streaming. [ gunshots ] more than two dozen shots are fired in just about 20 seconds. a man who comes to their rescue is heard off camera. >> look at me. look at me.
hey. hey. stay relaxed. >> the victims ask for medical attention. >> we need an ambulance. there's three of us shot. >> reporter: the men all survived. weeks later u.s. marshals arrested tony angelo roundtree. he's charged with using a firearm during a felony and shooting into an occupied vehicle but says he's innocent. a grand jury could still indict him. october 2016, this man uses facebook live to boast about shooting five people and fatally stabbing two others. >> that's the real deal. [ bleep ] it ain't a joke. this ain't a prank. i'm going [ bleep ] live. >> reporter: michael vance is on the run and using facebook live to taunt police. >> this is more intense than what i thought it was going to be, to say the least. >> reporter: but the week-long manhunt ends in a shootout. vance is killed at the scene. that same month this man steals a police cruiser in tulsa and using the officer's ipad streams
his ride live on facebook. >> i'm in the cop car. where's my sirens at? [ siren ] >> reporter: after a high-speed chase the man is arrested. among the charges police say he faces, using an electronic device while driving. he was due in court last month. but there's no record of his plea. in baton rouge new year's day an attempted kidnapping live-streamed on facebook. >> [ bleep ]. pull you out your house. stop playing with me. >> reporter: that suspect and another man tried to force the victim out of the home using a slang term for murder to describe their plans on the live feed. >> i guess i got to catch a body or catch a case for these hos to stop playing with me. >> reporter: they were later arrested and charged with, among other things, attempted second-degree murder and attempted kidnapping. it appears they haven't yet entered a plea. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> all of it broadcast live. we'll be right back. i'ts your tv, take it with you. with directv and at&t,