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it's why at thomson reuters we provide you with the intelligence, technology, and human expertise you need to find trusted answers. the answer company. thomson reuters. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. happening right now, wheels up for air force one. president trump on his way to asia, kicking off the longest foreign trip of his presidency and the longest trip for any sitting president since george h.w. bush. hugely consequential in and of itself with new threats coming from north korea. but he is also bringing along with him quite a bit of political baggage as well. today there are new developments on several fronts in the russia investigation. the president says that he
doesn't remember much about that key campaign meeting where -- a meeting with putin was floated. new pushback against that from a trump campaign adviser. another person that doesn't remember, jeff sessions and another person that says he did talk to sessions about making contact with russia, another foreign policy adviser for the trump campaign. this time it's carder page who is under oath speaking to the house intelligence committee. are you starting to sense a theme here? jessica schneider has the latest on the russia investigation but i want to start at the white house right now, joe johns is there. joe, the president is heading off on the monster trip to asia but quite a bit to say before he left? >> he certainly did. he talked about isis, he talked about the fbi, he talked about the need for the justice department to investigate hillary clinton. somewhat all over the place but when you take his de par tour statements along with his tweets this morning seemed as though the president was trying to get
everything in before he left for asia. of the big themes probably the most important thing the president talked about this morning was the russia investigation including indicating that he saw his meeting with others and with george papadopolous, the foreign policy adviser who has since pleaded guilty for false statements in the russia investigation, he saw that meeting as unimportant, said he didn't remember it very well, and also on departure i did ask the president if he stood by his statement that no one with the campaign had had contacts with russia. so listen to what the president had to say before he left. >> i don't remember much about that meeting. it was a very unimportant meeting that took place a long time. don't remember much about it. all i can tell you is this, there was no collusion, there was no nothing. it's a disgrace, frankly, that they continue. you want to look at hillary clinton and you want to look at the new book that was just put
out by donna brazile where she basically bought the dnc and she stole the election from bernie. so that's what you ought to take a look at. >> reporter: so the president hit that very, very hard on departure. i have to say also even apparently in the air, if it is, indeed, the president and not perhaps say dan ska vino who sometimes tweets for the president and might be on the ground, he continued tweeting once he left joint base andrews on the first leg of this trip, talking about donna brazile who has written this new book stating the dnc rigged the system illegally, the primary and so on and on talking about bernie sanders. more of that and it's very interesting, kate, that while this could be deemed irrelevant by many, given the fact that hillary clinton is a person he beat in the election, he continues to push the drumbeat on the need for an investigation into her. and all of that. back to you.
>> let's see what the twitter feed brings us while this trip begins. great to see you, scro. thank you so much. drill down more on the russia investigation and the threats coming through today. jessica schneider is in washington, tracking all of it. jessica, there's quite a bit. attorney general jeff sessions seems to have selective memory he's dealing with when it comes to the trump campaign's contact with russia. what did we learn from carter page yesterday? >> new revelations from carter page. he said he told jeff sessions he was traveling to russia at the height of the campaign and the disclosure by page was made during a 6 1/2 hour testimony before the house intelligence committee yesterday. so page says he informed sessions about his trip during a group dinner in washington in 2016. that was while sessions was a top campaign surrogate, also leading the campaign's national security team. well now page, he put a few caveats on his disclosure. he said he mentioned it in passing to sessions and that while page was in russia he didn't actually meet with russian officials he was just there to give a speech, but
really, those caveats aren't stopping democrats from calling for clarification from the attorney general. in fact, senator al franken told cnn last night it seems that sessions, quote, has problems telling the truth and, you know, senator franken may have said that because of sessions' answer to franken's question at a hearing back on october 18th. here it is. >> you don't believe that surrogates from the trump campaign had communications with the russians? is that what you're saying? >> i did not and i'm not aware of anyone else that did. and i don't believe it happened. >> so that was the answer then on october 18th. but now, of course, we know that carter page, he told jeff sessions he was traveling to russia and plus earlier this week we lerntsds learned that foreign policy adviser george papadopolous during the campaign he also brought up his proposal to meet with russian officials during a march 2016 meeting. we know from sources that
president trump did not dismiss the idea. he didn't say yes, he didn't say no. but jeff sessions actually did. he said no meetings with russian officials were going to happen. so, you know, we know that happened. we know that jeff sessions didn't really disclose this during any hearings on congress. of course, kate, we know that jeff sessions, he had his own interactions with russians throughout the campaign, russian ambassador sergei kislyak and he didn't immediately disclose those meetings as well during the confirmation hearing. he had to go back later and clarify and now with this carter page revelation, we know that democrats on both the intelligence and judiciary committees, they're calling on sessions now to clarify his responses to everything regarding what he knew and some of these possible meetings from his other campaign associates. kate? >> real quick, and there's -- and there's more. jared kushner, he turned over documents to mueller's team. do we know what he turned over and what this means? >> that's right. we know -- well, he voluntarily turned over the documents.
they're documents he had from the campaign, the transition, so anything he had related to contacts with russia. he gave that over to the special counsel's office. and that includes some documents that might actually explain his role in the firing of fbi director james comey back in may because we know that special counsel is also probing any obstruction of justice as it relates to comey's firing. so we heard from sources from the white house, they say kushner is not a target of the investigation. but, of course, kate, a senior adviser to the president, his interactions could play a big role in this investigation and interestingly and importantly, this document production to the special counsel's office by jared kushner really, kate, is the latest sign that investigators, they're reaching into the president's inner circle and that really the probe has expanded beyond what happened on the campaign to what actually has happened inside the white house over the past 11 months or so. >> at vet least. that seems to be definitely what we're seeing right here. joining me to discuss this chris cillizza a reporter and
editor at large for cnn politics, ned ryan founder and ceo of american majority, keith boykin, political comment cater former aide in the clinton white house and michael zeldin legal analyst former federal prosecutor worked under bob mueller. we got you to come to new york to play. >> yes, you did. >> not starting with you, though. chris to you -- >> thanks. >> that's called a [ inaudible ]. now the president says he doesn't remember much about this meeting where foreign policy adviser papadopolous said he could set something up, meeting with folks. >> yeah. >> let's all go back down memory lane for just a second. here is what the president said to questions about connections with russia back in february. >> can you say whether you are aware of anyone who advised your campaigns had contact with russia during the course of the election? >> i told you, general flynn obviously was dealing, that was one person, as he should have ben. >> during the election? >> no. nobody that i know of. >> you're not aware of any contacts during the course of
the election. >> how many times do i have to answer the question. >> russia is a ruse. get up and ask a question. i have nothing to do with russia to the best of my knowledge, no person that i deal with does. >> so how does this fit together now? >> well, you know, he is saying and i think it is somewhat understandable saying i have a lot of meetings, i didn't remember this one. the problem, this is often the problem for donald trump, the problem is that last wednesday, he was proclaiming himself to have, quote, one of the greatest themries of all time -- memories of all time. >> that is a direct quote. >> i don't remember what i had for lunch yesterday. i'm not going to put it on a guy he doesn't remember something that might have been mentioned -- something meaned in -- mentioned in a meeting in pa pass. he does portray himself as someone who does remember everything and you put yourself at a higher level of scrutiny when it relates to a meeting according to court records the
proposal was made that candidate then candidate donald trump and vladimir putin meet and jeff sessions was the one who stepped in and said we're not doing that. >> well, on the jeff sessions' front, ned, he did not make the claim that he is one of the best memories of all time. we will give that to him. >> that's right. >> democrats now want him back on the hill to answer questions about basically papadopolous and now carter page. he's got -- there are more questions. do you think sessions has trouble on his hands? >> i think sessions should probably go back up to the hill and say fine i will have any conversation you want to have, put me under oath. i mean, to chris's point, again, some of us have trouble remembering what we did two weeks ago a year ago, i've been in d.c. almost 20 years, you go to the dinners, somebody shakes your hand, i'm doing this, you don't quite remember. so one of these things with sessions, some of it -- so much is going on, does he remember everything that took place year, year and a half ago? i don't think any of us at this
table could remember what we did exactly every day a year ago. it's a little problematic with sessions. i think there are people that are a little disgruntled with jeff sessions on a variety of other fronts including the president at times so i don't think you will see a lot -- i don't think you will see a lot of us defending sessions. i would call for him to resign and move on. >> you still think so? >> i still think so. i think he made a big mistake recusing himself from this investigation. >> but that's the thing that everyone compliments him for and commends him for. >> i'm not a huge fan of eric holders but i respect that he would go to the mat for his president and you do not see that with jeff sessions and that's problematic. >> keith do you hand it to him it's hard to remember -- i don't know why you had a hard time remembering what you had for lunch. maybe i think too much about food. but do you hand that to him that this is a meeting that could have been forgeten. >> these meetings could have been forgotten? >> i remember a quote from donald trump last year, russia, if you're listening, i hope
you're able to find the 33,000 e-mails that are listening. i remember russia being a topic of conversation for a good part of the campaign last year. the idea that jeff sessions and donald trump conveniently don't remember this, doesn't seem plausible. and jeff sessions, you know, ned said that he won't go to the mat for donald trump, the reality is, barack obama never had a situation where his people around him were being indicted so he never had a reason for eric holder to go to the mat for him like that. jeff sessions is in trouble because jeff sessions right now is in danger of not telling the truth, not only to the congressional committee, but possibly to the american people, and he's going to be called to testify to the fbi to find out what he really knows. >> we will see. but again, jeff sessions, might like it or not, he has recused himself from all things russia related. i wonder what democrats want? >> more from jeff sessions? >> yeah. >> donald trump said he's not
happy with what the justice department is doing. you have -- >> you know what, let me get to that. i think this is important. michael, this comes to you. so drop some knowledge on us please. amid all this the president says today he's disappointed in the justice department and the fbi. disappointed he can't essentially make them investigate hillary clinton and that's basically it. he also slammed the justice department just yesterday in how it's handled terror cases, again saying we need them to be quicker, stronger, fairer. how is that received over at justice, do you think? >> not well. let's take each of them separately. >> yeah. >> with respect to the president's desire to intervene in ongoing investigations that touch him and his orbit, that's just off limits. you can't do that. >> right. >> to the extent that he wants to say, i want new policies with respect to the enforcement or immigration laws, the enforcement or lack of enforcement of our environmental laws, the manner in which we proceed with terrorism cases,
that's all fine. that's policy. he can say that. he's the chief executive officer. but he can't intervene case by case and he keeps wanting to. and he's frustrated by the fact that he can't do that, but that's the constitutional system that we live in, that you don't serve as your own judge and jury and determiner of facts. >> well -- >> and kate -- >> go ahead, chris. >> just going to suggest, to michael's point what you have to remember is donald trump's formative experience is different radically different, than anyone else who has ever held this office before. not served in the military, not ever held elected office. what is that experience? it's as a ceo. whether that's of his company or of -- >> family company. >> or of his reality tv empire for lack of a better word. the point is, in that world, everybody does work for you and if you want something done, you tell them and they do it. i mean, he has struggled i think to adjust in many ways from being a businessman, private
citizen, candidate, into being a president. one of the ways that it's important to remember is, he has no background in -- well, he just assumes everyone works for him because that's all he's ever known. and he -- you know, you've seen this as it relates to congress. he doesn't understand why congress doesn't do what he says. you've seen it as it relates to the judiciary. he does not have that three branches of government understanding because he's never -- he's not well versed in it and never dealt with it in his own life. >> and the most political sense, though, ned you can speak to this, it has been working for him because despite -- if we're just going to -- only focus on russia you have two indictments and a guilty plea and now more connections than before with -- relating to russia, that's not moving -- that's not moving the base. that's not concerning you? >> it's not. i mean look at it and some ways i would say donald trump had a great week on the russia investigation so did bob mueller. >> how did donald trump have a good week?
>> manafort and gates were nailed for trying to hide $75 million acting as -- illegally as agents for the ukraine. that's what this is about. seven of the 12 counts dealing with them, foreign bank account receipts and failing to file a foreign agent -- >> it has nothing to do with trump/russia collusion 2016. >> trump hired them. >> i'm going to agree on this -- >> barack obama or hillary clinton you would be going crazy over indictments over hillary clinton's campaign chairman and barack obama's campaign chairman. >> you step back -- >> papadopolous -- volunteer, insignificant, the thing i will say about this. >> who else is an unpaid volunteer, steve bannon, paul manafort. >> kushner. >> i think it's time for jared kushner to go home. jared kushner was very much involved in the manafort decision, involved, he said don't fire comey on day one when jeff sessions and steve bannon were saying you have to fire comey day one or stuck with him. don't fire him and in may he
said fire him. >> i feel like you should be like -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> i think jared kushner has been one of the worst advisors for the president. i think it's time for him to go home and for donald trump to say -- >> no way. there's no way he sends him home. >> he should. >> i think jared kushner is in danger of being legally culpable for his engagement in the russia investigation and because of that, he may want to leave office. >> he may witness to go home. >> so he doesn't further endanger the president. if he really is loyal to the president it might be in his interest to do so. i think that's what scares donald trump more than anything else. >> if he's loyal and it's about the president and the president's best interest he needs to go home. >> i don't think the president wants his son don jr. or son-in-law jared kushner to be implicated and willing to do whatever he can to defend them, even the possibility of perhaps even using the effort of the law to try to help them out. >> a whole lot happened here. i'm going to have to sit on it for a while. michael, we'll discuss it for a
while. chris, love you today, not tomorrow. >> what is this. >> i can grow and change. see that. talk to you guys later. it's an ongoing feud between chris and i. the u.s. hitting isis ten times harder in the wake of the new york terror attack. president trump making that claim but what are the facts on this. we have new information from the pentagon we will bring it to you. twitter says a rogue employee took down trump's twitter account on his last day on the job. how could this happen and what does this mean in a serious sense about the security of the president's twitter account. we'll be right back. e, so why treat your mouth any differently? complete the job with listerine® help prevent plaque, early gum disease, bad breath and kill up to 99.9% of germs. listerine® bring out the bold™
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every time we're attacked from this point forward and it took place yesterday, we are hitting them ten times harder. we have an animal do an attack like he did the other day on the west side of manhattan, we are hitting them ten times harder. >> president trump just this morning, the u.s. is hitting isis ten times harder after the new york attack that killed
eight people. he tweeted much the same also this morning. the military has hit isis much harder over the last two days. they will pay a big price for every attack on the u.s. that all came as news to a lot of folks. is this a new strategy? what has changed? well let's see where the data lands us. joining me senior national correspondent alex marquardt has much more on this. we just heard from the president but what are we hearing from the pentagon? >> well, kate, as you might imagine the u.s. keeps very careful track of the number of air strikes they carry out against isis and, in fact, u.s. military has been fact checking the president in real-time today and there's nothing to indicate there's been any sort of uptick in the air strikes carried out against isis in iraq and syria. the numbers they put out today on november 1st, the day after the attack here in new york, there were 11 air strikes, on november 2nd, there were 13 air strikes. that's the same number as the number of air strikes carried out the day of the attack,
october 31st, halloween. no indication the number of strikes are going up let alone they're going up ten times. we should note with isis losing so much ground in iraq and syria there are far fewer targets for that u.s.-led coalition to hit, but the much bigger point is that there was any sort of relationship or direction coming from isis and iraq and syria to the attacker here in new york. so for an isis inspired attack there is really no military solution. kate? >> yeah. and again getting us to a place of the president's statements where the facts are, and now more questions about the president's statement. thanks for laying it out. alex, great to see you. thank you so much. coming up for us president trump's twitter account goes down. goes dark. sparking 11 minutes of wild intrigue. but it's now raising serious security concerns. that's next.
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it is the president's preferred means of communication, his soap box, mouthpiece, bully pulpit rolled into one and for a few minutes he did not have access to it at all. if you are one of president trump's 41.8 million twitter followers this what is you saw. was it hand, someone take over the account? staff takeaways his phone. none of the above according to twitter. officials say the brief interruption was the work of an employee on his last day going out with a bang apparently. joining me now to discuss, and lay this out and what this means, cnn's senior technology correspondent laurie segall here with me now. how could this happen? >> i'm told by employees at twitter that after the election, they tightened the circle around who had access to trump's account. so they said only a certain number of people. it could have happened one of two ways, one of the senior people leaving decided to make a splash or someone low level was
able to get unauthorized access. jack dorsey the ceo sent out e-mails and said we're taking steps to figure out how this happened and sent out another e-mail a couple hours later that said, you know, we have some work to do. i think that's an understatement. this is an incredibly big deal a rogue employee was able to basically take off a world leader from their platform for 11 minutes. >> raises more questions, i think are very serious. what does this mean for the security of the president's account? i mean could some rogue employee on their last day not just take the account down but post something in the president's name? >> you know i've been asking that question to folks inside the company and what they said it's very -- you can have high level access and suspend an account and take it down, but it's very difficult. you can't tweet from an account. that being said another one of our writers talked to a source that said it might be highly unlikely. what i will mention -- >> doesn't mean impossible right? >> what i will mention is
there's been internal debate at twitter for a very long time over the president's twitter account. i spoke to one employee who said after he tweeted about north korea a lot of folks were saying, he's trying to incite violence, take it off-line, another employee said no, we think this is worth having on there. so these internal debates happening are shaping, you know -- are shaping the country and what happens to users, not even the president is immune. >> i think it's fascinating there isn't a definitive answer which there should be coming from twitter, no, no one should be able to. but i guess that's the blessing and very much the curse of using the social media platforms. >> the biggest question now as you have the tech companies on capitol hill is transparency. how are these decisions being made. >> well that's true. >> who's making them. one employee saying one thing, another saying another thing and then you have an employee who takes down this account. i think transparency is what we all want from the company and trying to convince leaders they have control of the platform on this week. and you had an doesn't that showed that they very much don't in a pretty big way.
>> lawmakers leaving those hearings this week were not happy with what they heard and not satisfied with what they heard in terms of control, transparency and responsibility and definitely doesn't. great to see you, laurie. see what happens next. president trump, applauding the new republican tax plan, but some lawmakers in his own party are already a no on the bill. could this tax bill be headeded the way of the health bill. first, cnn is fraud announce the top -- i proud to announce the top heros and you get to decide who will be this year's winner. anderson cooper shows you how. >> now that we've announced the top ten cnn heros of 2017, it's time to show you how you can help decide who should be cnn hero of the year and receive $100,000 to help them it continue their work. go to cnnheros.com where you can learn more about each hero and when you're ready click on vote. log in using either your e-mail address or facebook account and choose your favorite and confirm
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no more speculation, no more rumors or guessing games. republicans have finally released the much discussed and highly anticipated massive overhaul to the nation's tax system. who are the winners and losers so far and how much of this is likely to change and where are the battle lines? president trump wants a bill by the year's end. that gives lawmakers eight weeks and two days to get this over the finish line. cnn's phil mattingly is on capitol hill and has all of the answers for you. so phil, what are you hearing there right now. >> every answer. i want to focus on title 1, subtitle d, section 1302, i know you memorized all 429 pages of the bill and we will dive right into the weeds. no look, you joke but that's actually really important facts here. these are the important details that will matter. this is a broad overhaul of the tax system. a reason this hasn't been done
in 31 years because it's extremely difficult and requires major tradeoffs. those major tradeoffs the elimination of the deductions people like. that section i was talking about, that's limiting the mortgage interest rate deduction for new home buyers from $1 million to $500,000, something very popular with people. other deductions that are important to certain republican lawmakers, those in the northeast, state and local tax deduction, the majority will be repealed, on property limited to $10,000 as a cutoff. you have lawmakers from those states saying that's not enough, i come from a high tax state, you can't punish my constituents. the question right now is, can republican leaders convince their lawmakers or make enough changes to convince their conference, at least 218 of them, that the overall economic picture, what this bill will do is more important than those individual provision, those individual provisions home builders will be fighting for tooth and nail, realtors fighting for tooth and nail,
mortgage and bankers. on the top line of the bill there's no question about it a major cut on the corporate side of things, dropping things from 35 to 20%. the small business side of things, having the rate go from 39.6% to 29%. there is a reason they're doing that and a reason that $1 trillion of the tax cuts here are towards corporations and how republicans sell that is probably going to decide whether or not this actually moves through on the individual side of things, kate. >> let me just jump in one second. we are going to get back to taxes. breaking news i have to jump to. phil, thank you so much. this is cnn breaking news. >> this is just coming into cnn right now. a judge has reached a decision in the sentencing faze of the case against bowe bergdahl. of course the army sergeant who pleaded guilty last month to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. bergdahl deserted his post in afghanistan in 2009. he was captured by the taliban a short time later. he was held for five years. in a controversial swap with
guantanamo bay detainees five years later, he was brought back to the united states. prosecutors had asked the judge to give bergdahl 14 years in prison. let's get over to fort bragg. let's get over to fort bragg right now, nick valencia has been there where all of this has been playing out. what has happened? >> hey, kate. no jail time for u.s. army bowe bergdahl. he has been given a sentence reduced his rank to e-1 the judge ruled that he has to give $1,000 of his salary for the next ten months as part of the fine. he's also been given a dishonorable discharge. the prosecution was recommending up to 14 years in prison for bergdahl. the defenses desperate to try to keep bergdahl out of another day of confinement suggested this dishonorable discharge. this week in testimony started with the surprise plea from bergdahl himself asking for forgiveness, apologizing to those service men who were injured while on the hasty search and rescue operations, trying to recover him in afghanistan. a lot of this testimony this week also focused on his mental
health, medical health experts test fiing that he suffers a schizophrenic like illness that distorts his ability to see the various kens quenshes of his actions. bowe bergdahl did admit deserting his post on june 30th, 2009, was a mistake. the defense argued not only a mistake but a crime and he should be punished for. the judge ruling bergdahl reduced to the rank of e-1 from his rank of sergeant, given a dishonorable discharge and will have to pay over the course of ten months about $10,000 in fines. kate. >>? >> nick, did the judge give any indication what went all in to this decision? because there's such a discrepancy here between what obviously what prosecutors wanted and this has been so -- this has all been watched so closely over every -- you know, from when he pleaded guilty to where they are right now, did he give some indication of what got him to no jail time?
>> there was no explanation from the judge. it was a very short announcement. just straight business really, kate. he entered the courtroom. it took just a couple minutes to read his sentence. he resumed his deliberations at about 9:00 a.m. this morning, so it took about two hours or so before he got back into the courtroom to deliver his sentence. it was at midday yesterday he began his deliberations. but he don't know exactly when this all takes effect either. we are under the assumption this takes affect immediately but no details given to the reasoning the judge reached this verdict. kate? >> and any reaction in the -- was there -- what was bergdahl's reaction? i assume he was in there, yes? >> the reporters that were in the gallery report that bergdahl was visibly shaken on the with way into court, as that announcement was read from the judge. he was flanked by two of his defense attorneys. they had their hand on his back according to reporters in the courtroom. they smiled at each other as that announcement was read. as i mentioned they were desperate to keep him out of another day of confinement after he essentially lived in a cage
four of his five years in captivity. bergdahl didn't really show any other emotion. he was shaken going into the courtroom and visibly leaving it as well. kate? >> all right. nick, stand by with us. much more on the breaking news ahead. bowe bergdahl sentencing coming from fort bragg from the trial -- from the -- from all of the hearings this has been the sentencing phase for the army sergeant. no jail time. a dishonorable discharge for bowe bergdahl. we're going to have much more of this breaking news right after the break.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following breaking news. army sergeant bowe bergdahl has received his sentence, a dishonorable discharge but will face no jail time after pleading guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. bergdahl you will remember deserted his post in afghanistan in 2009, captured by the taliban, held for five years, he was brought back to the united states then in a controversial exchange for guantanamo bay detainees during the obama administration. and today, he has learned his fate after all of that. he will serve no jail time. joining me right now to discuss and for more -- for some reaction is retired admiral john kirby a former spokesman for the pentagon and state department and under the obama administration. john, are you with me? >> yes, i am. >> great to see you. what's your reaction to this? >> yeah, look i think there's going to be people on both sides of this, kate, that feel very strongly that didn't think he didn't get enough, those that he
did. i would tell you that you shouldn't look at this sentence as no jail time. i mean he spent five years in captivity with the torturured and treated extremely badly. the other thing to keep in mind is since he was recovered, he cooperated with authorities and with the investigating officer all throughout that. the general who investigated this said he couldn't have been more pleased. he did provide good information to the intelligence authorities about his in captivity and in the taliban and he learned information from that. the other thing we need to remember is this is dishonorable discharge. this stays with him for the rest of his life. every time he goes to apply for a job and seeks further employment or goes to live somewhere, that dishonorable discharge will stay with him and be a stain he has to live with.
he will be carrying this for the rest of his life and he did do jail time. >> people feel very strongly ever since the recovery and since he deserted his post. are you surprised by this sentencing? >> no. as a matter of fact i was glad to hear it to be honest. my personal view is he suffered enough under the taliban and knows he made a grave error and owned up to that. this is a harsh sentence. maybe not harsh as someone, but he did suffer greatly for his misjudgment that day and man enough to own up to it and help investigators get to the bottom of it. i don't know that i was surprised by it, but i was glad to see it. >> hold on. i will bring in one of the boys. a former federal prosecutor and army senior defense counsel. can you hear me? >> yes, i can.
>> thank you very much for jumping on the phone for the breaking news. give me your reaction to the sentencing of bowe bergdahl. >> i agree. i thought before this that there was a good possibility that the judge was basically going to take into consideration his five years spent with the taliban as a quasi-pretrial confinement in essence. some judges if you can get a confinement under normal circumstances, it's two fors if we call it. plus the situation he was held under versus as they said the intel. this is a gold mine that he had to make the difficult decision. i agree. i am not surprised. it was a question of will it be a dishonorable discharge and will he be allowed to remain and
have a medical discharge. >> what element of this is highly unusual? was the way that president trump, then candidate trump spoke out about bowe bergdahl, calling him a traitor on multiple occasions. i remember during one rally in 2016, he even suggested something like remember the old days what happened to deserters and kind of implying that he should have been executed. this was all according to colonelenance would be taken under consideration. as mitigation evidence as i arrive in an appropriate sentence. that's what the judge said during a hearing in fort bragg. what do you think that means? how did that play into this? >> it honestly played into the defense's hand. i have no doubt that the trial counsel, the prosecutors would
have railrother had the stateme not made. the judge took those comments into consideration and may have broke in bergdahl's favor. the judge never comes out and said this is why i made the decision i did. that never happens. if i guess, i think it somehow benefitted the defense. >> admiral, are you with me as well? >> i am, yes. >> i wanted to get your take. as the prosecution got are now take, they say soldiers were put in danger by bowe bergdahl's actions. hw do they answer to that with this sentence? >> they are not wrong. soldiers that searched for him did incur dangers. that's something that we train for and are ready for and there are additional risks there. no question about it. he did by deserting the way he did, he did put troops in
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