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this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. it is 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast. we're live with all the new developments in the russia investigation tonight and we are learning that the special counsel robert mueller's team is doggedly pursuing an interview with a russian oligarch and his pop-star son. the aguilarovs are instrumental in setting up the trump tower meeting of the russian lawyer promising dirt on hillary
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clinton and don, jr. among others. and there is more. a federal judge is forcing a long-time aide to trump advisor roger stone to turnover documents and testify before a grand jury hearing, hearing evidence in the mueller investigation. stone sought damaging information about hillary clinton from wikileaks, the website which published thousands of hacked democratic e-mails, e-mails stolen by russian hackerses, hackers the trump justice department identified as agents of the russian government. there are also new developments in the trial of the president's former campaign manager, paul manafort's bookkeeper testifying that her boss was effectively broke and lying to banks about his precarious financial situation after losing his biggest client, which is the pro-russian former ukrainian president. and that was right about the same time that manafort started working for the trump campaign. the bookkeeper also testified that she knew nothing of foreign accounts controlled by manafort. that poses a problem for manafort since yesterday car
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dealers and contractors said they were paid almost exclusively from foreign accounts linked to cyprus. now, in the middle of all of this, the president still says he wants to sit down for an interview with mueller and clear everything up while his lawyers warn that would be a very bad idea. former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski telling our very orrin erin burnett a short time ago he hasn't spoken with trump but would advise against a sit-down with mueller. well, that is a curious claim since cnn reported that lewandowski joined the president aboard air force one just last night after his florida rally. also on that flight, trump 2020 campaign manager brad par scand parscal who said trump should fire mueller to bring the probe to an end. lots to discuss. former u.s. attorney harry litman is here and cnn legal analyst joey jackson up on the late shift tonight. joining us.
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thank you so much, gentlemen. let's talk about it. harry, i'll start with you. let joey catch his breath and get used to the nighttime air. president trump has push r bebeg his lawyers to go for an interview. corey lewandowski was on cnn tonight. here's what he said about t. >> i haven't spoken to the president about it directly. if he asked my opinion -- i'm not an attorney, but my political advice to the president would be to not sit down with bob mueller. there's been no evidence this president did anything wrong, that the campaign did anything wrong during the campaign. and the opportunity to make a misstatement potentially or to potentially get caught up on the word is, is too great of something that could happen there. >> so my question is, harry, what does it say that everyone around the president has such a fear about the president lying or misspeaking to the special counsel? >> right, right. i mean, it says a couple things. the minimum it says is he's a
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very sloppy, nondetail oriented, very hard to prepare kind of witness, very erratic, could blurt things out. but there's a deeper subtext here. i think that they're aware of, which is he's got real criminal vulnerability. this is not a question of what's the meaning of this. this is a question of a lot of details that would tend to show that he's guilty of obstruction of justice. mueller knows everything. trump doesn't know what mueller knows. and there would be all kinds of questions, even as he shaves his list of questions by 50% as he's offered to do, that would just be absolute hazards for trump because mueller knows the answer, having talked with other people. so, i think that's the real problem here and i think this has been theatrical from the start. they haven't really intended to sit down. the real problem is he's got
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criminal exposure. and if he sits down with him and he lies, exposure for perjury, if he tells the truth exposure for the underlying crime. that's the biggest problem. >> so, joey, respond to that. he said he thinks it's theatrics. does trump want to sit down with mueller or is it to look that way in public? >> i believe it's very simple, don. good to see you. the reality to me is it's a farce. number one, i do not believe that he wants to sit down with mueller no matter what other people say. there's two schools of thought. one is that he is and his lawyers are holding him back but he really wants to speak to them. i think that's political cover. i see it far more simply than harry does. i think he doesn't want to sit down with him or his lawyers don't because, look, the president is truth challenged. we know that. the fact is that whether you love trump or whether you disdain him, i think everyone can collectively agree that his relationship with the truth, there is a major disconnect. if there was a report, one
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report i saw said he told 2100 lies since office, another one said 3,000, another one said 10 a day. if you sit down with mueller, if they don't have obstruction -- we don't know whether they do. he's tweeting, his state of mind is all over the place. he could say he fired comey. if there is no obstruction and there is no collusion, conspiracy, you want to argue collusion, it's conspiracy. the fact is you can get him on perjury. so why take the chance of going sitting with mueller no matter how smooth you think you are, no matter what you think you can say, when you're going to get caught in a lie because you will lie because that's what this president does. period. >> so, harry, so far mueller hasn't moved on this demand that he wants trump to sit down in person. this negotiation has been going on since january that we know about. at what point does mueller tire of this and just say, i'm going to subpoena the president? >> exactly. i mean, it's been since january
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and maybe before. i'm a little surprised. i would have thought he would have said, you know, forget it. it's been silly that team trump has been acting as if it's got the leverage here and maybe they'll decide to sit down. as you say, the law is likely to be with mueller and he can just go to court. now it gets a little tricky if he really is inclined to wrap things up before the midterms, probably even a quick process in the courts would extend past november. but, look, i agree with joey he's an inventor, liar. the big problem here i think really goes to the substantive exposure for obstruction and the fact that mueller would have so much information that the president just doesn't have. at this point, though, there is also the real possibility that he would file a report with the
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conclusion looks to me as if it is obstruction of justice. we gave the president many chances to come in and try to explain. he declined them. you can certainly charge, without hearing from the defendant. so that's the risk if trump stays quiet. >> i want to talk, joey, about the aguilaras. the attorney for the russian oligarch and pop star who urged donald trump to hold the infamous trump tower meeting, the conversation between his clients and special counsel robert mueller are ongoing and have been for almost a year. so, why are they so important to the special counsel's investigation? >> well, they're important because we all know and we understand -- and i think there is agreement with the exception of perhaps the president -- that there was russian interference, right? that's not in dispute. i think the dispute is whether there was some kind of collusion, excuse me, conspiracy which is an agreement to commit an illegal act. and so i think everyone looking
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at this investigation, don, is looking and eyeing whether they can connect the dots. who is they? mueller's team. and in order to connect dots as it relates to russian collusion and it relates to the trump administration trying to get information and working with the russians alongside of them, collectively agreeing, defining collusion, you need to have some people who might be knowledge as to that. and so, of course, if you get them and other members, people from the russian community who could talk to the meeting, who could talk to the connection between the campaign and members of the russian government, you can establish that nexus and connection. and so that's why they're central to mueller's investigation. >> so, harry, the aguilaravs attorney appeared a short while ago. listen to this. >> they never spoke to the president before or after, or to suggest the president was informed the meeting was going to happen. from their perspective, they learned about it in the scope of
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the press. it has been misrepresented. from my client's perspective, this was about making introduction of a russian lawyer to talk about the somewhat obscu obscure magnitsky act. >> it was never obscure about anybody. that contradicts what michael attorney said. is the interview how he finds out who is telling the truth here? >> look, he wants the facts and it's everything that joey said. plus two really concrete points. they're instrumental in setting up the meeting. they're the supposed -- the supposed client of rob goldstone who reaches out to trump junior. and they also are in the thick of it for the december 2013 miss universe pageant where all kinds of -- could be the sort of fountain head of the whole russian expedition. but mueller wants to know who is lying and who is telling the truth. it is a little strange to me that interchange from the lawyer because they don't need to
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cooperate. they don't need to talk to him at all and there had been some indication that amina was actually soured on trump. but that certainly seemed like an attempt to aid the president and it would suggest that if they do talk, he'll be telling a story that would be exculpatory and maybe of don junior as well, his buddy. these are colorful characters, but mueller, in any event, wants to hear from them. he wants to know the truth. >> yeah. thank you, harry. harry is here all the time. joey not so much. i'm glad wolf blitzer shared you, let you come on the show tonight. so -- >> nice to be here. >> thank you. thank you, come back. thank you all. when we come back, the african-american pastor who met with president trump at the white house and is now facing a backlash. i'm going to talk to him next. my digestive system used to make me feel sluggish. but those days are over. now, i take metamucil every day. it naturally traps and removes
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attended the president's meeting with inner city clergy to discuss prison reform. >> in a time of moral relativism and secular humanism, it is refreshing to know that those of us who have committed ourselves to fighting for people who cannot fight for themselves have a seat at the table to fight for them. i appreciate you allowing us to sit at the table to allow the conversation. my prayer is you will continue to have wisdom and insight to lead this nation. truly all of us are created equal so thank you for giving us an equal opportunity to fight for this nation and what it means to be an american. >> thank you. >> so joining me now is pastor john gray of the relentless church in greenville, south carolina. you received some backlash. welcome. good evening. >> thank you, good evening. >> it's good to have you. you received some backlash. other people who were there were a bit more complimentary of the president and got maybe in a bit
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more trouble than you. you were basically thanking him for the opportunity. >> yeah. >> but you told your congregation you hesitated meeting with president trump. >> yes. >> so why did you go? >> you want my honest answer. i believe the lord sent me. i don't represent and i didn't go as a partisan politician. while i respect the political process, i went because i believe that the lord wanted me in that room. as a christian. the first thing is i don't get to impute my faith onto anyone else. i'm not asking anyone to believe what i believe. i think that is unfair, it is dishonorable to make someone see life through my lens. but i am very strong in the belief that i have a calling that's bigger than me and walking into that room, i risked everything that i had ever worked for. >> yeah, because your parishioners, members of the black christian community, you had to know that they would be upset by you attending this. >> yeah. >> and there was a reason that you were sitting right next to the president, right?
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your credibility, your influence among the faith-based community. >> uh-huh. >> and there you are. i have had pastors come on who were on the president's advisory board and they quit because they thought it was a photo op in one of the first meet ings and they didn't think he was going to do -- this administration was interested in helping anyone except for getting a photo op. >> yeah. >> what do you think? did you expect the cameras to be there? >> no. when i first heard about this and was invited, i actually said i don't want to take pictures. i will go, i will listen, i will give my input, but i don't want to be photographed. and that was because i understood that certain parts of our community, the faith-based community and the african-american community and rightfully so, have immeasurable pain when you're dealing with an administration that at times has drawn moral equivalency to the unite the right rally, the people who organized it and those who opposed it. that's --
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>> so then why go there and lend your credibility to him? because there are other ways that you can participate that may be strategically smarter and more influential than being seen on the same page with someone who many people -- most people of color in this country, black folks, think that his policies, his speech, his language, behavior, all of that are detrimental to african americans. you can help out in other ways rather than sitting next to him and him having taken a picture. >> let me ask you this. you just invited me to your table. we don't know each other. we don't agree on everything. i'm sure if we had the conversation. but we're at this table for dialogue. the purpose of that conversation was to talk about prison reform. it was the express understanding that we were coming to see if churches could partner with the government to help lower recidivism rates and systemic poverty, cyclical poverty based on people who are trying to
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re-acclimate. that's why i went. people who look like me don't often get a chance coming out of prison to have a job that allows for them to not think about doing crime. recidivism, three years you're back in prison. the reason this was important to me is because it affects people who do look like me disproportionately. >> here's my question. you didn't have to come here. this is to dialogue. if you didn't come here, i would respect that and say that is -- and maybe there is a reason, because we invited other people on. >> indeed. >> this is my point. they did not think that it would be good or them to appear because they were concerned about, you know, losing something or their reputation or being called out on television or what have you. >> right. >> i respect that because maybe they're correct. do you understand what i'm saying? >> i understand. let me answer that. why would i risk whatever credibility i've gained over years in ministry with a
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community that i've come from? why would i risk it? would it be for a photo op? >> that's what i ask you, why? >> i went because i believe i was sent. i believe that my faith -- >> did you have to go to the white house? could you have done a conference call? could you have been on, you know, via television or camera or could you have teleconference? or could you have maybe there could have been a place other than the white house where you can discuss this? did you -- the thing is that sitting there, all of these african americans sitting there, it is being seen as the president of the united states, this administration has proposed policies that are so detrimental to african americans that they are using you as a prop and using you -- hang on. they are using you as a prop and it is a photo op. >> the photo op doesn't work. it backfires. the moment i'm on that platform, whatever they were hoping to accomplish with their intended audience back fires because they don't have credibility in that
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market in the first place with those people. for me, the answer is very simple. i went through every detail, why would i go. what could i possibly gain, which is nothing. >> would you do it again? >> would i go back? if there were different circumstances, if i had assurances that we were going to meet about the intended conversation, yeah, i would go back. not because i agree, because this is what's important. alignment or even speaking does not mean agreement. dialogue does not mean agreement. sitting at the table does not mean agreement. and that's important. i don't agree with many of the policies, but it doesn't stop me from having conversation. >> okay, i know we've gone on long. sorry, producers. this is what you put on your instagram page. you said, lord, do you want me in that room? my first mind was no. the pain of so many is too real. the hurt, the isolation, the sense of disenfranchisement. the real hate that has bubbled to the surface of the national
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discourse. do you think the president is responsible for hate in the nation's discourse now? >> i believe that our president has fostered a culture and a climate that has allowed for what was there and has been there for years to bubble up. it has empowered people in a horrific way, absolutely. i don't think there is any question about that. and if you're looking for someone who is a fan of the administration or a boy for the administration, that's not me. i am a man of god. my faith guides me. i very well may lose credibility with whoever, but the people that know my heart know this. i am determined to honor what i believe is the calling on my life. there is nothing for me to gain from being there. but i am committed to fighting for people who cannot fight for themselves. and if i began to cower to people who don't agree -- because a lot of people don't agree with me don't share my faith. daniel spoke to nebuchednezzar.
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>> now you're preaching. >> people speak to leaders who don't agree or lineup with that. for me it wasn't about being seen. clearly that did nothing for me. i believe -- >> let me say this to you, and i spoke to someone who i really respect today and talking about faith. look, i am a person of faith. he said there is a reason that people would teach you about the bible, would let you congregate on the plantation, but would not allow you to read. do you understand the meaning of that? >> absolutely. >> it means they believe that religion keeps people in chains and that fighting back and saying, i'm not going to deal with this, turning the other cheek because they don't want you to leave the plantation. what do you say to that? >> he ri was never on the plantation. >> people keep overlooking so much, overlooking, you know, when it comes to women,
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overlooking what it says about gays, overlooking what it says about muslims, overlooking what it says -- just about every thing. >> absolutely. >> there is so much. you just keep overlooking. people of the faith-based community, evangelicals -- affairs, adultery, all of those things, what? at what cost, at what price? >> i think that's the key. i wasn't on the presidential evangelical advisory board. i think what you said are valid. i can only speak for me. with everything that i could have lost and could still lose, i believe that my voice was necessary because i was there for people who could not fight for themselves. that was my intention and my heart. >> thank you. we've gone really long. >> sorry. >> all i'm saying is turn the other cheek, fine. but if you keep turning you other cheek as all you do is get bruised and swollen. >> thank you. >> i really appreciate you joining us. when we come back, while the president is distracting and deflecting about hoaxes and talk about the media his administration is changing
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president and his lawyers attack the russia investigation, while his press secretary slams the press, while the lies just keep piling on, this week the administration quietly introduced what could be called obamacare. a new -- trumpcare, excuse me. trumpcare. a new federal rule clears the way for short-term health insurance plans that let consumers buy coverage for just under a year at a time. they are expected to be a lot cheaper than what's currently offered. their premium is around half of the average cost of plans sold under obamacare. so what's the catch here? well, you get what you pay for. and these plans, they don't pay for much. so here we go. one analysis shows that only 57% of the plans cover mental health care. 38% cover substance abuse treatment. and none of them, zero percent, cover maternity care. you probably won't be able to buy them if you have a preexisting condition. and if you buy this insurance and then need to use it, watch
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out. there are limits on how much your plan will pay. some plans don't cover immunizations or even injuries from playing organized sports. there is even a plan in illinois that doesn't cover hospital stays that begin on weekends. not surprisingly, doctors and advocates don't approve. according to the los angeles times, a whopping 98% of groups that weighed in on the proposal to make short-term health plans more available were either critical or outright opposed. but the administration and a lot of insurers are eager to sell these plans. the president tonight boasting about chipping away at obamacare. >> you know how many people have come up to me and said, thank you very much for getting rid of the individual mandate? sounds so nice. isn't it a beautiful term? the individual mandate is wonderful. see, i think presidential now. the individual mandate. the individual mandate is a disaster. it sounds good, like the affordable care act, was not
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affordable. >> so now the administrationis out with trumpcare. will americans like what is in the fine print? so let's discuss now. cnn's senior economics analyst stephen moore and jason candor, democratic candidate for mayor of kansas city. good evening, gentlemen. thank you so much. jason, what is the likelihood people will choose these plans based on cost and pay the price later when they get sick or need the coverage? >> that's the whole idea here, don. it's basically a scam. it's a piece of paper. it's not insurance coverage. folks will say, well, this, i can pay for it, it costs a lot less. they walk around with a piece of paper that actually doesn't give them access to a doctor. when i was in the army we had this saying that we would use, which is the checking the box is one of the worst forms of lying. what it means is that if you pretend to solve a problem, in some ways that can be worse than doing nothing at all because if you pretended to solve the problem, then people walk around thinking the problem is solved, but it's still there. that's exactly what the trump administration is trying to do
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here. they want to pretend they did something about the fact that, for instance, here in kansas city we have huge pressure on emergency services because, you know, we didn't expand medicaid in the state so a lot of folks don't have health care. they end up using the emergency room. that's a real problem. but they're pretending to solve it. in a lot of ways that check in the box, that's more dangerous than if they were to do nothing. >> let's bring in steven now. democrats called this junk insurance. that's what they say, that's a quote, junk insurance among the shortcomings, they don't cover preexisting conditions. doesn't that leave out an enormous pool of people who won't be able to get coverage? >> well, look, what you and jason have been talking about actually would apply to obamacare. i mean, jason, every promise that was made under obamacare has turned out to have been a lie. >> preexisting conditions? >> well, i'm talking about the fact that everyone would be covered. there are still 25 to 30 million people who don't have health insurance. by the way, that's the group of people that were trying to get insurance for. but why are so many people
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looking at these cheaper plans? it's very simple, because the cost of obamacare plans has doubled over the last five years. so it is ironic that this lie is called the affordable care act because for so many millions of americans, health care is not more affordable. i mean, you guys remember when barack obama was campaigning on obamacare, remember he said it was going to save the average family $2,500 a year and now we have a situation where for the average family the cost of health care has almost doubled in most states. so what we're looking at is trying to provide -- look, we all want to provide more coverage for people and it seems like what you all are saying is unless this is a gold plated health plan, it would be better for somebody to not have health insurance at all. >> the stats, steven, i'm giving facts. jason is here as the democratic person. maybe the facts don't lineup the way you want them. that doesn't mean i'm espousing or supporting anything. those are the facts. but also -- hold on, hold on. hold on, hold on, steven.
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you spout out all of these statistics about what's costing more, but also there are people out there and insurers, right, and big medical companies who are refusing to join this plan because they want to keep their profits and so getting rid of the individual mandate and all of those things, that is causing the markets to collapse or obamacare to -- >> don -- >> that's a big part of it. >> the obamacare system was in a spiral two years before donald trump became president. >> that's not true. >> yes, it was. >> i want to talk about the -- i don't want -- >> it's not affordable for people that's why people want lower cost plans because they can't afford obamacare. >> i don't want to get off track -- hold on, hold on. >> okay, go ahead. >> we get side tracked with these things. i want to talk about the merits of this program. by the way, all the facts show
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that what you said is completely false. obamacare was in a death spiral. that is a republican talking point. that is absolutely not true. >> the cost doubled, don, that is absolutely true. >> go on, chris. let's talk about this policy. >> don, let's talk about this health care. if steven is going to sit there and say a bunch of stuff that's not true and pretend the problems that exist with obamacare, that a whole bunch of them weren't caused by stuff republicans did over the last few years on purpose, if we're going to do that i would prefer that he and the other people defending this trumpcare plan just be honest about what they want. what they want, don, is to go back to 2009. they want to go back to when insurance companies were in charge. they want to go back to when preexisting conditions were a reason not to give you health insurance. they want to go back to when you thought you were covered for something and you weren't and you got sick and got dropped. i would just prefer they actually make an argument for what they're for rather than pretending that they're for something else, rather than checking the box and just
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pretending all the time. if we're going to have a debate, why don't they stand up and say what they're for? because it's unpopular. >> i want to give you -- i'll give you the last word. go ahead, steven. >> unfortunately health insurance is so expensive right now, people can't afford the plans that were supposed to be more affordable under obamacare. what we are trying to offer people is plans that they can afford. now, they're not going to cover for everything that obamacare requires coverage for, but if you can't -- my point is wouldn't a plan that provides you with some basic coverage be better than no health insurance at all? and i guess you guys say it would be better if people don't have health insurance at all. >> that has to be it. wasn't that the whole idea of obamacare -- >> people can't afford it. that's the whole point. >> you're not telling the viewer -- you're just telling a part of it that fits your narrative. you're not telling people why it's not affordable. that's what you're not telling. >> he thinks it's fine if people can't get health insurance because they used to be sick. >> i'm not saving $2,500 a year
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for the president's eldest son, his name sake don junior is no stranger to shocking and false statements. this one is truly stunning, as if -- it gets worse. listen as he compares democratic party platform, the democrat party platform. >> the nazi platform in the early 1930s and what was put out there. you compare it to the dnc plan
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today, they are awfully similar. >> i want to bring in peter bon effort and sarah. he was comparing the democratic platform to the nazi platform. can i read you real quick the nazi platform? the national socialist german workers' party which was commonly referred to as the nazi party was built on dictator adolf hitler's belief that arian germans were superior to nonarian, particularly jewish people. ideology was built on the premise jewish people were responsible for the problems facing germany following world war i. and that belief eventually spiralled into the government-run genocide against the jews known as the holocaust. so, democratic party platform, is that what it is? >> what you said captures it, right? the essence of nazism is dee humanization. the dee humanization of vulnerable groups. which political party in this era is doing more dee humanization of vulnerable
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groups? is it the democrats comparing mexican immigrants as insects who are infesting the country? is it they who are basically involved in a large scale campaign making people hate and associate latinos with criminals? no, it's the republican party. if you're going to make this analogy, the dee humanization is coming from the trump's organization. >> this man is from a father who could not condemn the marching in charlottesville. i want you to watch it again. >> jews will not replace us. jews will not replace us. >> so trump went on the blame both sides, we know the whole thing after that rally. how is any supporter of this president defend this propaganda? >> yeah, it's not what i would choose to attack the democrat platform. lord knows there's enough to attack the democrats on without resorting to call people a nazi. of course, if i had a nickel for every time i heard someone on the american left like peter just did call republicans donald trump or even the president that i worked for, george w. bush a
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nazi, i guess i'd be a rich man. we ought to all stop calling each other nazis, because none of us are nazis. we're all americans -- >> scott, this is different because it's the president's son. >> i don't like it. i don't like it. i don't want anybody to call people nazi. >> but you're comparing the average citizen -- it's all awful, but you're comparing an average citizen who doesn't have a voice, doesn't have a platform, is not going to be talked about in the news to the president's son, the sitting president's son comparing a democratic platform to nazism. that's different. that's false equivalence there. i hate to tell you that. >> well, of course it is. >> i don't know what you want me to say. i disagree with the rhetoric. i disagreed with it just now when peter who does have a platform says republicans are more nazi like than democrats. i don't like any of this and i don't think most people want either party to be calling the other ones nazis. >> tara, go ahead. >> well, look.
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i'm no fan of the democratic platform. i haven't been for years, that's why i'm a conservative republican. however, for the president's son to throw out that the democratic platform is similar to nazi germany is absurd. it goes to show you that he doesn't really understand history. first of all, it's awful, it's like projection because if you read through the 25-point plan of the nazi party back then and the republic and all those things, there's a whole lot in there that unfortunately is awfully reminiscent to some of the things that donald trump has actually advocated for. i mean, the whole idea of the tribalism and the nationalism and what steve bannon and those guys were perpetuating during the election, that's a lot closer to the nazi platform than what democrats are asking for today. and not only that. the whole idea of the press being called the enemy of the people. my en, it was hitler who called the press the lugan press, the
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lying press. that is a freaking nazi propaganda rhetoric that the president of the united states is using from the bully pulpit every day. so the president should -- >> are you comparing people to nazis? >> i'm using the example based off of what the president's own son and what the president has done. if you really want to get into let's compare things to nazi germany, there's a whole hell of a lot more going on with what's coming out of trump's mouth and out of his son's mouth and some of his supporters like what we just saw that anything the democrats are proposing and i'm no fan of what the democratic platform is. >> scott and peter will respond on the other side of the break. this is not a bed.
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record on this or can no one contradict a family member of this president? >> i mean, i think people are free to speak their mind and i certainly am going to sit here and tell you that i don't like it when we resort to the tactics that the left resorts to, which is this stupid name calling that is not rooted in the historical record. i don't like it when we do what they do. but, you know, everyone is free to speak their mind and correct it if they want. i don't think it's going to put a stop to it unfortunately. we're having a panel tonight. i say i don't think anybody should do it and two people here call the republicans nazis. >> i didn't call -- >> it is completely broken. >> i didn't call republicans nazis. >> let me tell you -- >> bothful you did. >> let me explain, i'll explain. i believe there is a spectrum of dee humanization and percent conditional use based he on de-humanization. donald trump has moved us in america further in that direction by his continual equation of mexican immigrants
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with criminals and rapists and even insects and we see the bitter fruit of that in this brutal inhumane child separation policy. that is moving america in the direction that we don't want to go. not to where nazis are, but closer than we were before donald trump. that's what i believe. >> and i used the example of the propaganda that nazis used and the word donald trump is using that mirror exactly what the nazis use in their disinformation campaigns in the '30s and '40s. so, i mean, if we're going to go there, i used historical precedent. i mean, hitler did use the term lugen press which means lying press. that's exactly what trump is doing now, calling the press the enemy of the people is reminiscent of nazi propaganda. that's just historical fact. >> let me ask you a question here. how do you think -- let's just say that sasha and malia were grown and working for the obamas as president and said and called
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republicans nazis, or maybe a better example would be chelsea clinton doing the same thing as she was working for her mother if her mother was the president of the united states. or when her father was president. what do you think would happen on the right, scott? >> people would go crazy about it and that's why it's wrong. i mean, i don't know how -- >> no one is going crazy about it. >> it is wrong for one party -- >> no one is going crazy about it. no one has come out and said anything. you are a contributor here on cnn. >> you know why no one is going crazy about it? because our civil discourse has gotten so far off the rails that everybody jannes about this stuf -- yawns about this stuff. that's the problem with american political discourse. it is so off the rails, calling each other nazis is so out of bounds. >> the president of the united states sets the tone. it wasn't off the rail like this in other presidencies. it wasn't. it starts from the top. >> sure it was. do you know how many times i had to endure people calling george
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w. bush a nazi? >> it was not coming from the president of the united states. have you watched the trump rally lately? >> george w. bush said nothing like what donald trump says. in fact, the number of -- >> he was still called a nazi. yet they still called -- >> who called him a nazi? but scott, scott, let's give you the point. let's say people did call george w. bush a nazi. >> they did, that's true. >> who did it? was it a sitting president's son or daughter or family member? >> no. >> it was some of the most wealthy financiers of the democratic party. george soros did it, keith ellison did it. compared 9/11 to the reich -- >> i think you're missing the point. we're talking about how presidents talk and presidents behave. donald trump is totally unlike barack obama or george w. bush in that regard. >> all right. i have to go. thanks for watching. our coverage continues. control of heartburn. prilosee so you don't have to stash antacids here...
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