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you said that house democrats are talking about four concrete changes to trump's deal. >> no, you asked me whether or not trump plan has offered. that's what i was asked. >> if they have four changes, will you accept it? >> as long as i got to make sure that this time they are written in stone, they are written in stone. they must be imposed. last time, remember, there was a proposal that said you're going to have to. this was 20 some years ago. you're going to have to make sure you provide for alternatives for people who may get caught in the crossfire here. that did not happen. it's a different deal. >> going back to last night. >> yes. >> is there anything you would do differently about last night's debate? >> instead of saying joe i would have said text. i was so focused on making the case for joe i said joe and i gave the number. it was text.
so i would have changed that. but you guys have printed it 15 times and it's getting great results for us. we're getting a lot of incoming because of it. >> in states like -- >> pardon me? >> black voter turnout is down in states like michigan. you invoke president obama a lot when you talk about race but i'm curious how you plan to get obama-level turnouts in 2020 as a white politician. >> i've run in a state that has the eighth largest black population in the country. i have never when i've run in an off year or on year never gotten fewer votes than on an on year and more than any other person has in delaware. i come from the community, they know me and i think that's why so many are supporting me. the black community is no different than any other community in the sense that they are being hurt badly. they are being hurt badly. they want to know someone -- first of all, are they telling them the truth? are they laying out straight exactly what they're going to
do, no double talk, what are you going to do. and then secondly, do i believe you understand me? do i believe you know my heart? and i've spent my whole career trying -- i'm not a black man to state the obvious. but i've gone out of my way to understanding the best i possibly can what the concerns are, and they're legitimate. look, you have so many african-american businessmen and women with great potential. they have to have access to capital. i started off my political life trying to deal with red lining of banks. it's still not done. any bank that exists in a black community should have to lend in the black community, period. we should be in a period where we fundamentally change the way in which the education system works. we didn't get a chance to talk about it last night. i laid out a plan in great detail that now everybody, and i'm grad they're talking about it, now everybody agrees is good. i look at what's going on. if you don't have access to education, everything gets backed up. all the dreams get backed up.
that's why i proposed increasing from 15 billion to $45 billion a year for at-risk schools, title i schools has to be spent. and we challenge children, black or white, poor children and black children and hispanic children, they can do as well as anybody else given the chance. that's why i insist there be absolutely 3, 4 and 5-year-olds having preschool, not a choice. we know the numbers. look, we have great universities here. find me a university in this state that doesn't say that the education departments point out that can provide 3, 4 and 5-year-olds genuine education they don't increase their expenses exponentially. tell me what are we arguing about? and we can pay for all this. we don't have to go out and spend $30 trillion or all these billions and billions. what we can do this for, we can do it for another, for example, $35 billion a year just in education. we should make sure that every
single solitary child who's qualified and people coming back to school, because they lost their jobs, everybody laughs about -- i shouldn't say that. i'm not going to go there. but the point is there is a real concern on the part of people who have jobs now about this fourth industrial revolution. i've been speaking about it for six years. people are deathly afraid. you guys, all you press people, you're in jeopardy. i'm not joking. you're great people. but look what's happening to you. you're in a situation where the digital world is changing. you have a totally different deal. if you're a print newspaper, hang on, baby. hang on. so it's changing. you understand what i'm -- i don't expect you to agree with me. >> mr. vice president -- >> last question. >> what do you see being your biggest challenge in this state since he won it last time? >> i can win michigan, they know me. i've worked my whole life, i come from the middle class, i
understand it. i know what's going on. if you notice, i promise you, if i get the nomination, i will win michigan. i promise you that. i will win pennsylvania. i will win ohio. i will win these states that he got 72 extra thousand votes on to give himself an election. look, folks, it's not that there was this great migration to him, it didn't occur. we're talking about 72,500 votes in three states that changed, otherwise hillary clinton would be president with a margin over 3 million votes. >> mr. vice president, a lot of democrats are saying -- >> quickly about health care. >> yes. >> do you think you drew sharp enough contrasts with the more liberal elements of the democratic party? would you say that your plan is more moderate? >> no, it's not more moderate. look, for my entire career in the senate i was listed never below 1 of the 25 most liberal
people in the united states senate. i wish you would have called me a moderate when i was running for re-election back in del beabea -- delaware, i would have won by 80%. there's nothing anybody has did that comes close to what barack obama did. this guy did an incredible thing. in addition to that, he covered a hundred million people who had pre-existing conditions. he allowed kids to stay on their parents' policies until they're 26 years old. he covered 20 million more people. we tried to get the medicare option added to it. we couldn't get it done. i will get it done this time because the people have realized what it's about. they have figured it out. but folks -- >> what about veterans? >> what about veterans? look, one of the things my wife and michelle did and one of the things we worked on is veterans are being left behind in so many ways. we need, for example, we need another 75,000 psychiatric nurses. i carry a card with me and i
have it with me every day. it has my schedule on it. every single day i have the staff check with the defense department how many people have died. how many people have died or wounded in these wars. because every one left behind a community. every one of those fallen angels, and we owe them. it's not 6,870 some, it's 6,678 precisely have died so far. here's the thing that's not told. we have 300,000 people coming home from afghanistan, iraq and the wars in the middle east with posttraumatic stress. we have more people committing suicide who are veterans than are getting killed in battle. we need to care for them. that's why when i was a senator, i changed the laws saying that anyone who had ever been exposed to acid rain no longer had to prove the circumstance that they in fact -- their immune system is compromised because of it.
just prove it happened to you and you get coverage. the same way i did when the president agreed when we said anyone who comes back, so many people coming back with brain injuries because of the concussion. more amputees and more brain injuries than any war that i'm aware of on a percentage basis. here's the deal. now guess what, all you have to do is prove that you were in an area with concussion if you have wrong and you get covered. i've got to go, guys. >> democrats are saying they want to see a matchup with elizabeth warren, how do you stack up against her? >> i'm brianna keilar and i want to bring in john king, the anchor of "inside politics." that was a really interesting moment or series of moments there with joe biden. he said he expected these attacks, john. he said that he thought the attacks basically on the obama administration were bizarre and he also said he's looking forward to a debate instead of one-minute assertions, although he understood with so many
candidates that's just the name of the game right now. >> interesting on many fronts. number one, the vice president was in the fight last night but it was not a commanding debate performance. it was much better than his first debate performance. round two had its moments. he had some fights over health care, immigration and defending the obama record and legacy, but he also had some uneven moments. what team biden thinks is number one, they did a pretty good job, number two, how do you build on that today. that's why you see him doing an event in detroit, coming out with passion. that's a big point, we can talk about the specifics, obama, veterans, health care, can he win, can he beat trump. you can talk about the specifics. part of the biden challenge is to show the passion and the vigor, the stamina in this race. you see him in the street there taking the questions, forcefully defending president obama and his relationship with president obama. a lot democrats are intrigued about what happened last night. you had julian castro criticizing president obama on immigration, others jumping in. joe biden thinking this is the most popular democrat in the
country, he happens to be a popular african-american democrat in the city of detroit, let's embrace barack obama and have that fight. and then making the case that he can beat trump in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. so team biden says we did well enough last night, how can we build on that and that's why you see the energy today. >> isn't it interesting that when you look at him there in this scrum with reporters being peppered with questions, i think that you're getting a different joe biden and maybe one that those on team biden would have liked to have seen more of last night. it's something that he seems to excel at more just there on the street than he does under the lights of the debate stage. >> you're absolutely right. and again, senator harris was not as good last night as she was in round one. we are on live television every day and so sometimes we're not fair and beat up the politicians but he was uneven last night. you're right, if he had been
like this all night, we'd be having a different conversation today. we're not having a bad conversation about joe biden today but we'd be having a different, perhaps even more favorable if he had shown this passion and vigor throughout the deba debate. now, it's a different environment. there are ten different candidates onstage. you heard him air his understandsable frustration. all of the candidates are saying why one minute, why 30 seconds. we have no choice because you have ten people on the stage. but he likes this. he's always liked this. he likes the give and take with reporters. he likes being fiesty and mixing it up. when he's on his game, it helps him. >> john king, you are never uneven on air. thank you so much. >> that's so not true. >> thanks for breaking all that down with us. i want to go to arlette saenz. she is at the biden gaggle. what did you take away from this, arlette? >> reporter: well, i think joe biden's defense of president obama was particularly interesting. last night obama, some of the
previous policies of his administration and his record were a target for some of those democrats trying to distinguish themselves from the former vice president of the a president. and when i asked biden what it felt like to have that incoming fire coming his way, he flat-out said he was surprised about the attacks -- not attacks, but critiques of president obama's record and believes that he doesn't think that the president has anything that he needs to apologize for. joe biden still very closely wants to tie himself to this president. he finds the fact -- to president obama. he finds the fact that he selected him as his vp, as one of his biggest credentials that he's constantly touting. i thought biden also acknowledged that he had a few slip-ups last night. he talked about that moment where he accidentally said go to joe and then listed a number even though heme meant a text. he was joking about that. he's about to pull out of this event right now and we'll be seeing him soon in nevada over the weekend.
i think continuing to make his case to voters as he tries to convince people that he is the best candidate to take on president trump. >> all right, arlette saenz on the campaign trail with the former vice president. thank you so much. i am joined now by democratic senator chris coons of delaware. you share the same great state of delaware. it was interesting to hear joe biden say again today this seemed to be the focus coming out of this debate that he doesn't understand why his fellow candidates are attacking president obama's legacy. from a democratic standpoint, there are some things that bear criticism or scrutiny when it comes to immigration, when it comes to deportations, but widely president obama is popular with democrats. he's feeling that he's in a pretty good space here. >> he is. he had a very strong night last night and i shared his surprise that not just democrats, but a former cabinet member of the obama/biden administration was sharply critiquing obama's
record last night on the debate stage. he is not just a popular politician. former president obama is the most popular recent two-term successful president of the united states. i'll remind you something that joe biden raised last night. it was the stimulus and the way it was structured that's responsible for saving the american automobile industry. that really helped put michigan and detroit back on its feet. the debate last night was held in detroit. joe biden because of his personal connection to and enthusiasm for the automobile industry, which was long an anchor of the middle class in delaware as well really fought hard to save the auto industry. that's just one of many pieces of the obama/biden legacy that could have been talked about positively last night. i wish we were spending more of our time focusing on the argument we have to make to middle america. why should you give us back the keys? why should you trust a democrat to run the country through the white house and give us a majority in the senate again? we have to speak to them, tell them about our positive record
and tell them about how we're going to move forward. i thought joe did a strong job of that last night. >> why wouldn't former secretary julian castro, yes, a former obama administration official, but he's also the former mayor of san antonio, and he hears from people certainly in texas and around the country democrats who share his views that the obama administration was not where they should have been on immigration and deportations. why shouldn't he take issue with that even as a former secretary? it's very possible that his opinion on these things -- you know, he wasn't in charge certainly, that was in his portfolio. why couldn't he have this attack? >> it is part of laying out our policy agenda as a party to reconsider, relitigation where we've been in the past and talk about where we want to go in the future. it's certainly the case today with the humanitarian crisis at the border, driven by president trump's divisive rhetoric, actions and policies around immigration that it is a very
emotional and forceful issue for all of us in the country, but in particular those from border states. what i wish i had heard more clearly articulated last night was that president obama had a profoundly different priorization. president trump is using the separation of children from their parents as an intentional piece. president obama prioritized deporting those who had been convicted of additional violent crimes while in the united states to decide who to deport. i didn't hear enough of that last night, that there was a very different prioritizatiopri >> are you paging the former vice president? that's what you wish he would have said? >> i wish he had more time. one of the challenges of that structure is these are 30 second or at best one minute answers. in the back and forth, i think that's part of what was lost was the difference between obama's priorities and trump's priorities. what i do think vice president biden did very well is to remind folks we have a common challenge here.
all of us agree that we want to expand access to health care. hall of us agree we want to make our country more inclusive and just. we want an immigration policy, have rule of law and protect our border. >> i'm going to challenge you because he did have time to say what you just said and he certainly had a heads up from a month ago that that was going to be an issue because it came up with senator harris. so, yes, he had short aupts missouri of time, but let's talk about another issue that senator cory booker went after him on and that's criminal justice. this is the former vice president's response. >> it's the essence of what my plan in detail lays out. i'm happy to discuss it more in detail if the senator would want to, and so i -- you know, i -- anyway, that's what i think -- i know what my plan does and it's not dissimilar to what the senate said we should be working together on getting things done. >> that answer could have been sharper. the answer on immigration could have been sharper. i wonder, though, do you think
it matters? do you think that voters see the joe biden we just saw in the street in detroit? they know joe biden. >> absolutely. >> does his debate performance matter so much? >> it matters. it needs to be strong, it needs to be clear. i do think -- >> how much of the pie is it, i guess, is my point? how much does it matter? >> it's not as much for those of us who watch would think it is. a large part of the reason why joe biden remains head and shoulders above his competitors in head-to-head against trump, he is the only democrat recently polling as beating trump in ohio and has a much stronger lead in all the early primary states. that's because he's going to these states. folks in those states get to see what your viewers just saw, which is joe biden being who he is, opening his heart, talking about people's real concerns, listening to working families. if you haven't been on the trail with joe, it's a remarkable experience as he dives into a diner, goes into a fire hall, talks with a group of national
guardsmen. he really loves the american people and deeply believes in us. and so the tightly scripted, you know, predigested i'm going to sell some t-shirts and buttons attacks on each other we saw on the debate stage, i don't think that speaks to the heart of the american people. what joe is able to do is connect with us. we all know that joe biden has a deep personal faith. we all know that joe biden knows what it's like to get knocked down by life and get back up again and we all know that he believes in us as a country and he would bring us together as president. we can talk about the details of his policy proposals, but i honestly don't think the average voter checks off, well, i approve of this, don't approve of that. he's got very strong and very bold policy proposals. but i think what they love about him is his heart and the way he can connect with all of us. >> senator chris coons, we appreciate it. joe biden and kamala harris both having trouble explaining their health care plans. the architect of obamacare, which the former vice president
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castro went after joe biden's record last night, despite the fact that they both worked for the obama administration. castro pointed out a stark difference between himself and the former vice president, especially on immigration. >> if you cross the border illegally, you should be able to be sent back. it's a crime. >> first of all, mr. vice president, it looks like one of us has learned the lessons of the past and one of us hasn't. let me begin by telling you -- we have 654 miles of fencing, we have thousands of personnel at the border, we have planes, we have boats, we have helicopters, we have security cameras. what we need are politicians that actually have some guts on this issue. >> excuse me, the secretary, we sat together in many meetings. i never heard him talk about any of this when he was the secretary. >> all right. joining me now, a.b. stoddard and wajahat ali.
snoo senator coons was just on and would clearly liked to have heard something different from biden. he wanted to hear the obama administration prioritized people with criminal records and the trump administration has zero tolerance which led to all of these -- this flood of family separations. we didn't hear that from joe biden. and julian castro is criticizing also this administration that he was part of. what did you guys think about this exchange and which approach is better? >> well, i thought one of the things that joe biden did right last night, and he needs a crisper answer on immigration, very important, and he needs to speak to the center of the electorate on immigration which he was trying to do. the deportations were within the laws they were dealing with and the former president tried to reform immigration laws and couldn't work with the congress, came up with the dreamer act. but on what you're talking about, which is child separation, yes, he needs to be very clear. president trump lied about it again last night. oh, i got those cages from obama
and i stopped the separations. there have been 900 children separated from their parents since he stopped the separations. they haven't been stopped. they are an intentional deterrent and it's governme government-sponsored child abuse. the former vice president needs a more crisp answer on that. however, i thought the fact that he did not rudely sort of push back against julian castro and took the high road on it and said i just don't remember him bringing these things up in the meetings and the fact that julian castro would go there and push back on the obama administration so hard as well as others on the debate stage i thought was really a mistake. the democratic party is very upset about it today and obviously a boone to the vice president who will talk about how he has no idea why his fellow candidates in the race are dumping on president obama. >> oh, how i wish biden did not have such a mediocre low bar and
could rise to the high bar. what he could have done and should have done is first and foremost, always attack trump number one. look at this humanitarian crisis created by donald trump, the zero tolerance policy. at least the democrats compared to trump are moderate. compared to obama, at least obama did daca. he was actually for the dreamers, right? the senate failed, so obama said i'm going to do executive action and try to give temporary protected status to dreamers. nobody brought up the dreamers last night. and then you say and this is where i'm going to pivot here. there is a contingency within the democratic electorate and voters who want actual immigration reform who say obama didn't go far enough. so compare and contrast it to trump but say we need to go further. i think when you make that pivot, castro and anyone else would be this is why i think we should decriminalize. obama had his hands tied. he did what he could do. he could do better. >> and that's basically what senator coons was saying, he wanted to hear more of that.
i think he represents what a number of democrats especially who support joe biden would want to hear. one of the more contentious moments came when hawaii congresswoman tulsi gabbard ripped into senator kamala harris on her record in california. but the jabs continued after the debate and this time it was over gabbard's meeting with syrian dictator ba shaushar al assad. >> this coming from someone who has been an apologist for an individual, assad, who has murdered the people of his country like cockroaches. she who has embraced and been an apologist for him in a way that she refuses to call him a war criminal. i can only take what she says in her opinion so seriously. >> i will never apologize for doing all that i can to prevent more of my brothers and sisters from being sent into harm's way, to fight counter productive
regime change wars that take more lives and cost taxpayers more dollars. so if that means meeting with a dictator or meeting with an adversary, absolutely, i would do it. >> bashar al assad is a murderer and a torturer. do you not agree with that? >> i don't dispute that. >> she's been criticized for not having sort of a full-throated condemnation of that. but again, here we have a moment that we didn't see on the debate stage that might have been more effective on the debate stage. >> kamala harris should have been ready for that. there's been a long-standing criticism of her record aside from tulsi gabbard. so she needed to be ready to defend her record on prosecutions of what other liberals believe are petty crimes. that's the first thing. >> maybe she didn't think it would come from gabbard so she wasn't armed. >> right. she was surprised. >> she should not have been surprised. she should have been ready. >> she should have been ready for it from somebody. number two, she should have been ready with her response about
assad. people were hoping that the moderators were going to ask about tulsi gabbard's relationship with assad. it is all over the internet today that the russian bots are helping tulsi gabbard and going after kamala harris and tulsi gabbard refuses to condemn assad because she's doing the work of the russians because she's going to run as a third-party spoiler and give it to trump. >> it was a huge mistake because you can simultaneously hold two positions at the same time. tulsi gabbard exposed kamala harris' troubling record as a prosecutor, which is very troubling to progressive voters. she did that, she was exposed. that's going to make her vulnerable. at the same time, you can say that tulsi gabbard is a terrible candidate because of her promotion of assad's talking points, because she met assad in secret. because to this day she has not called him out as a war criminal. it took anderson three tries and the most he could get was i don't dispute that. in addition to the fact she's conflicted about torture. in addition that she works with hindu nationalists.
in addition to the fact that maga seems to love her. i wonder why? and so that moment where kamala harris was after the fact talking to anderson and took out tulsi gabbard, that should have been done on the debate stage. is gabbard is ever brought back on the debate stage again, this needs to be addressed. you have to ask her, are you capable of actually critiquing assad? if you're so anti-war, how come you praised russia's bombing of syria, tulsi? >> there you go, there's the question. thank you so much to both of you. health care dominating the conversation at both debates but some of the candidates are having a hard time articulating their plans. the architect of obamacare will join me next. a rare and public rebuke after president trump orders public officials to strip the medals of prosecutors who unsuccessfully tried a navy s.e.a.l. for war crimes. your mammoth masterpiece. and...whatever this was. because we make our meat with the good of the deli and no artificial preservatives.
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everyone in america. by your staff's and your own definition, 10 million people, as many as 10 million people will not have access to health care. and in 2019 in america for a democrat to be running for president with a plan that does not cover everyone, i think is without excuse. >> so here's a quick breakdown of both plans. senator harris' would move all americans to a medicare for all type system over the course of ten years. however, newborns and the uninsured would automatically be enrolled. private insurance companies would still exist but their plans would have to meet strict guidelines. harris will pay for the plan by taxing wall street and progressively taxing families earning more than $100,000. many experts say that won't cover the cost. biden's plan is essentially what the obama administration originally wanted obamacare to look like. he's going to have a public option similar to medicare. he'll also allow people to keep their private insurance.
he'll offer large subsidies to help make obamacare more affordable and allow medicare to negotiate drug prices. with me is zeke emmanuel, a former obama white house health policy advisor and one of the architects of obamacare. so i want to address -- can we first address what all of these plans are not addressing, because the one complaint you'll hear from anyone who's a human and has some sort of medical need is cost. >> yeah. >> yet we're not hearing that. >> that's right. deductibles have gone up, co-pays have gone up, drug costs have really gone up and people are worried about the cost of health care. you hear this term and there's lots of worries about going to the emergency room and having enormous bills. democrats are talking a little about bringing drug prices down negotiating with medicare or something but it's not a comprehensive cost control
proposal and i do think that is one of the things that is absent from these debates. >> it's like one leg of the stool when it comes to health care. you can't ignore cost and how it affects the other things. >> right. there's cost, there's access, getting everyone covered, there's quality also and there's the patient experience. is it easy to use. are they getting to the right place without a lot of hassle. those are the four main elements and we're really talking only about access, coverage. >> so which of these plans, kamala harris' or joe biden's is doable and which one might be considered as a lofty goal but perhaps you fall short, you set your marker ahead of negotiations. >> the real question is what you mean by doable there. they're both doable in the sense that they could operate. kamala harris does keep private insurance in the system, unlike senator sanders, by allowing medicare advantage to continue. so the private insurance companies actually would compete and those are pretty popular.
on the other hand, could it pass congress? well, that's -- if that's what you mean by doable, it's much more likely that joe biden's plan passes congress than kamala harris's. but, you know, it depends upon the election. if he ran -- if she becomes the nominee, wins big, then it becomes in part a mandate on that plan and you do have a lot of political momentum behind it. >> biden was saying that her plan will cost about $30 trillion. his is just a fraction of that cost because it's a testament to, i guess, what their aims are here, right? >> no, no, no. it's all about what you include cost. and again here's the thing. and i think she did have a reasonable point there, which is, look, we're already spending $3.5 trillion per year on health care. multiply that by 10, that's $35 trillion. so yes, her plan is going to cost $30 trillion but that is not additional because a lot of
it is shifted of what we're paying today. >> okay. so the very good point. however, when you're looking at that price, she didn't deny his explanation of the cost. but when you're looking at that price tag and she's saying she's only going to have this graduated tax on people making more than a hundred grand and then she's going to be taxing basically wall street products. >> right, right. >> that's not going to cover it. >> i haven't exactly done the numbers, but it certainly doesn't look at first blush like it will cover it. let me just remind the viewers, the median income in america is around $60,000 per household. that means half the households are less. she's not starting her tax until well high of that at $100,000 so only a small fraction of people will be paying premiums. yes, those 0.01% dividend taxes, those really are unlikely to be enough to cover this bill. so you're going to have to find some other revenue. having been in the office of
management and budget trying to find where you can get revenue to pay for this, remember, we paid for the affordable care act by $500 billion in cuts over ten years and $500 billion in new taxes, mainly to wealthy people, 250,000 or more, raising their medicare tax and things. it's hard to find that money. it's not so easy to find trillions of dollars to pay for these kind of reforms. >> and real quickly because i do want to get this question in but i'm almost out of time. biden's plan even by his own admission will cover the vast majority of americans. it's not all of them. his campaign says 97%. is that enough in this race? >> well, compared to the 89% or 90% we have today, that's a huge increase. that's where massachusetts is and most people think massachusetts has done a fantastic job of getting people covered. is it enough? of course we all wanting 100%. other countries have gotten 100% and that's where we should get
to. is it a big improvement from 90% to 97%? you bet. we should not be against big improvements because under the trump administration, we're not getting improvements, we're sliding backwards. more people are losing health insurance. any democrat will be better than president trump in improving the health care system and that's what we have to remember. the alternative is dreadful. >> zeke emmanuel, thank you so much, appreciate it. breaking news, the president via twitter making a big announcement on the trade war with china. his new escalation, next.
we have breaking news. president trump just announcing on twitter that he will impose a new 10% tariff on the remaining $300 billion of goods coming from china and the president says this will take effect very soon, on september 1st. i want to get to sarah westwood at the white house. sarah, why is the president deciding to do this now? >> reporter: brianna, president trump is lamenting the lack of progress in talks between chinese officials and u.s. officials, although he described this most recent round of talks in china as constructive. president trump is also pointing to the fact that china's promise of increased purchase of agricultural goods from the u.s. has never materialized. at the g-20 summit in japan president trump was touting that agreement that china had made to buy more agricultural goods as a concession from china, touting it as progress. president trump acknowledging in this series of tweets that that
never actually materialized from china. at that same summit at the g-20 trump had said he would wait for the time being to impose additional tariffs on chinese now the president already moving away from statement. these talks will continue again, brianna, here in washington in september with chinese officials. >> sarah westwood. the markets are not loving that news. thank you, sarah. the president issuing a sharp rebuke of military prosecutors, ordering navy officials to rescind medals given to them after they unsuccessfully tried a navy seal for war crimes. with our highest concentration of hyaluronic acid in a serum. visibly plumps skin in just one week. bounce back! and reduces wrinkles for younger-looking skin. powerful results
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intervened in the case, helping facilitate gallagher's move. and congratulating him when he was cleared of the most serious charges last month. the prosecutors is ridiculously given a navy medal. they had difficulty with respect to information that may have been obtained and forefor giving immunity in a totally inappropriate fashion. you have the president's intervention. should he have done that? but first the medals. the star prosecution witness changed his story, he said, actually, he killed this isis militant that eddie gallagher did not. many experts believe he succumbed to pressure to change his story. if so, that's not the prosecution's fault. the prosecutors made serious -- objectively serious terrible
errors, one being they tracked the tracking software and emails, in the end they lost the case, should they have been given these medals? no, they should not. the reason is, they were doing their job. medals are for going above and beyond at that job, when you fail in the case of these prosecutors, when you fail to win a conviction or to achieve whatever operational goal you have, there's no reason for somebody to be receiving a medal and it's particularly surprising given the navy's culture. the navy is very stingy with medals to personnel, to see them do something like this, avoid the prosecution navy achievement medals is very unusual to say the least. >> unusual, so why would it have been turn, do you think? >> part of it has to do with internal politics. they may have been trying to buck up the prosecutors and said, you did as well as you possibly could under difficult circumstances. you did well despite interference from other places,
including the president. that may have been the reasoning for that, but still, it seems very strange to someone who has lived with the military medal system for a long time. >> once these medals were given to these prosecutors, should the president have intervened in having them rescinded? >> no, it's too late at that particular point. once a medal is awarded to a person, unless there is a criminal act that occurred in the course of the achievement that's being rewarded. or there's something elsewhere you can question the conduct of the individual recipient, the answer is no. now, of course, he'll come back and say, but the conduct was wrong, they did all the things like you mentioned, the email tracking system that was added to emails from the prosecution to the defense. all of that is definitely wrong behavior, in this case, we have a situation where it was right to rescind these medals, it should have been done before the
fact. but we also have the potential for undue command influence leading all the way up to the commander in chief in this case. it's a very bad situation all around, and it makes it difficult for there to be a clean way of looking at this particular case. >> what message does it send to unit commanders who give these medals? >> it sounds a message that it limits the commander's discretion in a case like this. unit commanders have the discretion to award achievement medals in all of the services, and when it comes to personnel, they look at these medals as being a recognition for a job well done. and that is what those medals were intended to do. the fact that these medals have been rescinded also will serve as a dampener on moral. not just in the legal community, but potentially throughout the navy, and possibly the other services as well. >> thank you so much. colonel cedric layton. that is it for me, newsroom with brooke baldwin starts right now.
hi, i'm brooke baldwin, you're watchi ining cnn, thank for staying with me. the bright lights of the detroit stage firmly in the rearview mirror at least for the next several weeks. several democrats are back on the campaign trail today. beto o'rourke and elizabeth warren heading west to nevada and arizona respectively. they're all extending their stay in michigan. a state went for president trump in 2016, but just by 10,000 votes. and democrats are hoping to put that back in the blue column next november. >> jessica dean is live in washington. we listen to the former vice president speaking out there in detroit talking a lot about some of the incoming that he received last night, saying he was actually surprised by