tv New Day With Alisyn Camerota and John Berman CNN September 4, 2019 4:00am-5:00am PDT
underneath the outer bands of hurricane dorian. alisyn camerota joins me from new york. the breaking news this morning, the storm is on the move. not just moving up the florida coast at 85 miles or so off the coast from where i'm standing, but we just got word from a hurricane hunter, a flight director from noaa who told us that he is seeing signs that the storm is beginning to move to the west. that's bad news. why? because as it moves west, it makes landfall in charleston, south carolina, and the south carolina coast much more likely. he now thinks that is a much more likely scenario. also the storm is getting bigger in terms of size which means there will be more of an impact across a wider stretch of land. several thousand power outages on the coast. that's what the storm is doing now and will do in the future.
what it has already done is devastating. the bahamas this morning as the sun comes up there, only now are they beginning to truly understand how much damage was done. only over the last 12 to 20 hours have they been able to get out and see some of the places, towns wiped off those islands nearly completely. there is so much need and there is so much hope that today will be the day finally that more government resources can be brought to bear and get to the people who are in need. friends have been helping friends. so far there have been some u.s. coast guard rescues, but there is so much more need. we're going to check in very shortly with our patrick oppmann. but first i want to go to chad myers in the weather center. i know you were listening. we were talking to the hurricane hunters 35,000 feet in the air. they say they are seeing signs of a more westward path now for hurricane dorian. >> and that's exactly what the hurricane center had.
so this is not -- i know it seemed like breaking news at the time, but i will show you the path that the storm is on and the path that the hurricane center said it would be on and then it would start making its turn. we wade for that turn all the time. luckily the turn did take place for south florida. unfortunately, it did not take place before the bahamas. 105 miles per hour. the pressure is the issue right now. there are no winds of 105 miles per hour at the surface of the storm right now. the hurricane hunter is staying with that number because the pressure is low enough that it could be a category 3 hurricane if it got its stuff together. but right now it does not have its stuff together. w have rainfall along the coast of georgia. also into jacksonville and lady lake and orlando. here is the eye itself. there are many openings especially on the north side of the eye. it isn't getting that wind maximum it could.
this is the gulf stream. here's the path and why the director said that it is moving towards the west. there is the center right now. here is the center about three hours ago. is there a westward component? absolutely. but that westward component is exactly what was forecast. and then it will turn to the north, we hope. then it will turn to the northeast, we hope. but if it does not turn in time, that's when the coast of the carolinas will come really into effect. another thing going on here, one side of the eye to the other is 50 miles. if this is 30 miles off shore, that means the carolina coast does get the eye wall. it may not get the center of the eye but who carries. the center of the eye is calm. it's the eye wall that's most important. very close contact to that even if it's offshore, it could be on shore. the models are very, very close
to shore. we'll have to keep watching it. not for florida but for the carolina coast. also here's the wind speed coming up here. anywhere that you saw white, those were all 100 mile-per-hour gusts. we'll keep you posted. >> i think the important thing for south carolina, chad, and you'll agree on this, is it doesn't have to make a direct landfall for it to have a serious impact. it's going to get close enough where that storm surge and those winds particularly in the low country and places like charleston, there could be problems there. chad myers, thank you very much. we'll check back in with you in just a little bit. the worst impact so far, no doubt has been in the bahamas. our patrick oppmann have been in freeport for days hunkered down when it was hitting as a category 5 hurricane. they've been able to go out and look and assess some of the damage. patrick oppmann joins me live now from the bahamas. patrick?
>> reporter: yeah, good morning again, john. and i'll say this is just a small part of the island that we were able to get to yesterday. we first tried to go to the hospital, it was blocked by submerged cars. we tried to go to the airport which has been destroyed. there was a river instead of a road in front of us. and then we saw an amazing sight. regular bahamians coming together using their personal boats and jet skis to rescue fellow citizens. the view from above the bahamas, apocalyptic revealing communities flattened and rows of homes under water. others scattered into long stretches of debris. >> this is the worst experience i have ever had in a hurricane. >> reporter: this is just a small glimpse of the scale of destruction here. after hurricane dorian battered the bahamas for days. the deadly storm leaving behind catastrophic devastation on abaco in grand bahama islands.
making rescue efforts nearly impossible. >> we are seeing the courage of bahamian volunteers who are coming to the rescue of others using whatever resources they have available at their hand. >> reporter: this all-volunteer crew doing what they can by any means necessary using boats and jet skis. >> some we had to carry. some couldn't even make it. first we found was my brother. he was clinging to a tree. he made it out safe, but we were unable to locate his wife at the moment. we hope that she's okay. >> reporter: the team banding together to save the lives of family members, neighbors, and even complete strangers. >> we have a lot of people supporting us. everybody working as a team. it's very hard. but we shall overcome. >> reporter: howard armstrong was rescued after his house was flooded to the ceiling. he survived. his wife did not.
>> my poor little wife got hypothermia and she was standing ton of the kitchen cabinets until they disintegrated. and then i kept with her and she just drowned on me. >> reporter: u.s. coast guard's rescue missions are proving difficult. cars under water blocking the roads. along with fallen trees and downed power lines leaving people in the dark. hoping conditions will improve after experiencing the unimaginable. >> nothing, just nothing compares to what we went through in the past two days. 48 hours now of nonstop carnage. >> reporter: and, john, there's a sight behind me that we haven't seen in days. the sun is shining. the weather is again beautiful in this part of the bahamas. and that means there are favorable weather conditions to bring in aid. we've been completely cut off from the outside world.
no aid has come in. that aid has to start coming in today, because there are still people out there waiting for rescue. they don't have much time left, john. >> the sun shining is a great sight. patrick oppmann, please tell us the minute you see one of those helicopters land so we know the aid has begun to arrive. we'll check back with you in a little bit. thank you to you and your team. joining me now is someone there was a great deal of mystery about in the last 24 hours. hurricane hunter josh morgan who rode out the storm in abaco who went dark for more than a day. people were wondering if he was okay. he joins me now from nassau. there are going to be thousands of people excited to hear your voice this morning. they did not know if you are okay. they did not know what happened. you were on abaco island where you were going to ride out the storm like you have dozens and dozens of times in hurricanes before. tell me what happened.
>> yeah. like dozens and dozens of times, but this one, man. i've been chasing hurricanes for years and this is number one or two in the ferocity. i got spooked by the storm and thought i better ride it out on a -- you know, in a solid building in marsh harbor which is the main town. i rode it out in a solid concrete school which was a designated shelter. to give an idea of what 185 mile-an-hour winds were like, despite us being in a solid concrete building, it was so badly damaged, by the time we got to the eye, we needed to relocate during that calm. so that we wouldn't die in the building on the backside of the storm. and the other thing i noticed was the cars in the parking lot thrown every direction and a lot of them just mutilated. just torn apart. engines ripped out by the force
of the wind. it was unlike anything i'd ever seen. this thing was off the charts. >> you used the eye of the storm to relocate. tell me about that. >> when we raeltzed when the calm came and we came out and looked at how bad the building was, rerealized we had to relocate. we piled into the few cars still functioning and we got to a government complex nearby. and residents from every direction were rushing to this building from the poorer low lying neighborhoods that had been swept by a tremendous storm surge, from the wealthier communities that had been flattened by the winds. everybody was rushing to this building to get inside of it before the backside of the storm hit. then everyone got inside and it hit. but thank god this is a really well constructed building. the bahamians have very strict building codes. and they really know how to build for hurricanes.
and what really i noticed about this hurricane is how much structural damage there was, you know, on an island that usually just does not have structural damage in hurricanes. but that government building held and protected everybody. >> there's not much you can do when 185 mile-per-hour winds are st sitting over you for 24 hours. josh, what's the state of mind of the people on abaco as you lived through that storm. what were people doing? >> the people there -- i'm glad to have this opportunity to get on tv to say there's tremendous human suffering there and help is needed. so many people have lost everything. they've lost their homes. they've lost all their belongings and they're just living -- they're sleeping on a small space on a floor in an office in a government building. there's not enough help there yet. and the outside world needs to know this is a catastrophe. and there are apparently a lot of casualties.
i talked to a lot of people who saw people die and drown. this is really serious. these people need help. they've lost everything. >> how were you able to get off of abaco? >> on a military chopper with a couple of other americans. they were basically -- they were going back and forth to the medical clinic to lift out critically injured. whenever there weren't any critically injured, they took some americans. we just took some available spaces and got out. >> listen, josh morgemann, you've been doing this for 28 years. this is number one or two on the list of the most devastating powerful hurricanes you've ever been through. we're glad you made it. thank you for telling your story. but more importantly shining a light on the need on abaco island. hopefully now that the weather has cleared up some, aid is able to get where it is needed over the next few hours. thank you, josh. >> my pleasure.
all right. there is so much need on the bahamas. we are now getting a sense of how much damage was done now that the sun is coming up. patrick oppmann said the conditions there is much better. hopefully he'll see some of those rescue and relief crews come in. we will tell you as soon as he does see them. in the meantime, joining me now in daytona beach, is vanessa shocky. you work in a store on the inner coastal waterway. what's the name of the store? >> nicole's beach street mall. we're right across the international on the other side of the river. >> what's interesting about this is during hurricane irma and i was here during that, hurricane irma shut you down for how long? >> approximately six months our store was closed down due to the flooding. >> reporte >> and as you see or saw
hurricane dorian inching towards the florida coast, what was your concern? >> more just worried about the storm surge, the river. because it was the halifax river that came over the banks and flooded the whole beach street area where all the small shop business owners are. and everybody just took a toll. >> so it took, what, eight months to recover from hurricane irma? >> yeah. >> right now it's clear. it may not stay clear for very long. if hurricane dorian does take a toll, what happens then? >> we don't know. we have probably 40 to 50 different vendors that lease space from nicole. and people are going to be looking for new places to go. it just takes business away from our area and the other shops as well. >> do you think you could handle another recovery the length of time that irma took? >> probably not. probably not. >> hopefully you won't need it. hopefully it will pass far enough by. i don't think we're out of the
woods just yet. what's it been like? you moved from cleveland, right? >> yes. >> what's it like to move here and be through two of these? >> we love florida. my husband and i always wanted to move down here, get away from the cold winters in the cleveland area. we're just so happy this has not hit us like we thought it was going to. because irma was pretty bad for being our first hurricane. >> you didn't evacuate. you stayed. what precautions did you take? >> just bringing everything in. all our patio furniture, anything that could be small flying debris. any lawn decorations. we did sandbags around the house, in front of the garage. with irma, our street did flood and came up to the tree line. so we're just being precautious. >> we're glad you and your husband are doing well. our fingers are crossed for the store. hopefully the storm will keep the dance off there. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> it's a tale of two countries
almost with this storm. the devastation in the bahamas that we keep on hearing about. florida. everyone here just watching -- bigger impact here and now the word that south carolina very much in the cross hairs of this storm as it moves a little bit further west and could expect landfall maybe tomorrow. >> i mean, and john, that's the point. you just never know with these things. even our best models can't predict perfectly where these things are going to go, which track they're going to take. it is just very, very nail bitingly scary to wait and watch to see if your house and worse would be destroyed. but thank you very much for all of the work you're going there in daytona beach. we'll be back with you momentarily. for more information how you all can support the nonprofits working to help hurricane dorian victims, you can go to cnn.com/impact. there are also breaking developments out of hong kong for you this morning. after months of unrest there in the streets, the protesters just
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the democratic presidential candidates are releasing their plans on the climate crisis ahead of tonight's cnn primtime event focused on the climate issues. joining us with a preview, we have cnn political director. david, what should viewers expect tonight? >> they should expect something unpresent didded which is going deep on a single issue we've seen in polling that is clearly of importance to democratic primary voters. you know there's been a demand
for a debate on this issue alone. but the dnc has said they're not doing single issue debates. here's cnn dedicating hours of primetime -- >> seven hours from 5:00 p.m. until midnight. >> wun by one these candidates will go deep on their climate plans and taking questions on it. >> i'll just put up the schedule for everybody. it looks like every candidate has about 40 minutes to do this. are these just questions from viewers and voters or will they be able to kind of spew their complicated sbsh spew is probably the wrong word. explain their complicated climate plans that they've all adopted now? >> all these candidates are pretty skilled at getting their message out. i'm sure they will find a way in each answer to tie back to their plans. you're right to note they have
used this moment to roll out these climate change plans. i think in the last 36 hours, five of the ten candidates have rolled out their climate change plans. >> in the last hour and a half kamala harris has. >> exactly. and i don't think we're done yet. we had cory booker and julian castro and kamala harris all just in the last several hours. >> and do they differ much? >> well, this is what i find interesting. there are differences if you go into the weeds on all it, but it seems there's a battle for who seems most aggressive. in the terms of getting them to carbon net neutrality. a carbon zero emission automobile fleet. can you do that sooner than your competitor? i think that is one thing that we see in sort of the differences in the plans. interesting to me is that one of the candidates, the front runner joe biden, his timeline is not necessarily as aggressive as his
competitors'. his price tag is not necessarily as high. but i think i'd be surprised if we didn't hear him make the argument tonight he probably thinks his plan is more achievable than his competitors who he may point as more pie in the sky when it comes to these issues. >> let's talk about the announcement the trump administration has made not about claimant but about the promised border wall. so the plan now is to siphon off $3.6 billion from existing military construction projects, it sounds like, to begin building the wall. do we have any information on which other projects are put on ice for this? >> it seems like what you hear from chuck schumer and others ins from congress, there are going to be a lot of people trying to stop this. but i think we're going to see this battled out between the branches. >> it's an emergency declaration. he's gone around congress.
>> he has, but i think you're going to see efforts both in congress and in the court from the democrats on how this money gets distributed. >> joe biden, i know that he is sort of explaining, i guess, to the press a new line of rationale for how he is the best candidate? i mean, explain this phone call that you were on where the biden team explained the argument they'll be using. >> senior biden advisers got on the phone with reporters yesterday first and foremost, i think, to start leveling expectations. because they see so much coverage about the candidate largely because the candidate's making this argument, that he is the most electable. right? even if his debut television ad in iowa, he put up a chart showing the poll numbers he can beat donald trump. we know that's an important thing for democratic voters. >> the most important. >> the most important quality.
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eastern only on cnn. okay. john has been standing by in the elements for us. john, it looks like it's getting worse where you are in daytona beach. >> it's never been that great, let me put it that way. it's been raining consistently throughout the morning. here on daytona beach. it bills itself as the world's most famous beach. this morning it might be the world's emptiest beach. much more from here in a second. plus we're going to speak live to the launch center at the kennedy space center just down the coast from where i am. stay with us. ♪
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all right. welcome back. i'm john berman on daytona beach in florida. this is cnn's special live coverage of hurricane dorian churning in the sea there about 90 miles from where i'm standing. but we periodically get the outer bands of the storm over our heads. and you can tell it's pushing the sea, pushing the water into the seawall. the tide is actually going out. the tide is going out, but every once in awhile, the surge pushes the water up past where my feet are. very close to the seawall up hear. so the storm surge is something they are concerned about here in daytona even as the storm doesn't make a direct hit. we've been watching the path very, very closely. we're getting gusts of wind
here. and there is some news for the people further north from where i am. let's go to chad myers in the weather center for the forecast. >> john, jacksonville right now reporting a surge of 2.5 feet. now, that's the bad news. the good news is it's low tide right now. but in six hours when the water goes up three feet because of normal tide, all of a sudden we're going to be 5.5 or 6 feet higher than you should be. the wind is picking up around the center but the center is very wide. this is not the tight eye wall where 130 mile-per-hour wind in the middle. this is a wide eye wall. almost 50 miles across with winds now that spread out. tropical storm forced winds 100 miles from the center in all directions. there goes the wind u into jacksonville. the wind will be into charleston. and charleston you're going to get a surge. the track has it very close to charleston and moving to the northeast from there.
will land get in the way of this track? the hurricane doesn't know where land is, but the hurricane may not turn in time. charleston 5 to 8 feet of surge. that would take us right to the second surge just below hugo which was in 1989. two feet below that record surge. so water is coming. you're at low tide. six hours from now you won't be. >> that's right. the surge is coming. definitely higher than it should be right now. it was up on the seawall a little bit earlier this morning. we're watching it very, very closely. in one point on charleston, will it make landfall? we don't know. but even if it gets close, there will be serious, serious problems which is why 200,000 people have left the coastal areas in south carolina. so let's go to athena jones who's in charleston right now. in that city, i maimagine, waitg expectedly. >> reporter: good morning, john. that's right. the rain isn't here yet, but
it's coming. and folks have been preparing for it. authorities now saying that those preparations need to be rushed to completion. because conditions are steadily going to deteriorate today. we're here in the city's historic district. you can see this boarded up restaurant. there's several businesses boarded up, sandbags. this area has been almost completely vacant since we got here yesterday. and much of downtown looks like this. hotels are shuttered, businesses boarded up. and this is of course because we're in an extremely flood prone area. they koent call this part of the state the low country for nothing. we're at sea level and right by the sea. this is a town who has seen huge storm surges. they expect one nearly as high as hurricane hugo back in 1989. this is why authorities are saying get out of town. the emergency management division saying folks need to get out this morning so they can get away, they can get far enough away from the impacts of the storm. the mayor of charleston saying we want this town to look like a ghost town. so they're saying get out now.
authorities say they won't be able to send rescue teams to help people because they have to protect the safety of first responders when conditions worsen. john? >> all right. athena jones in charleston where now the forecast has the storm passing very close to perhaps making landfall. we'll check in with you throughout the morning. i now want to go to darryl nale. part of the team of people that have been riding out the storm inside the space center. if you can hear me, tell me what's been going on there. >> well, here at the launch control center at the kennedy space center in florida, we've been riding out the storm overnight. the worst of it, john, coming between midnight and 4:00 a.m. we had winds that went over 54 miles per hour out on the coast. at the tower over 75 miles per hour. the conditions were really
whipping here. at the moment we've got a rain band coming in. this is the window of the control center room. this is where apollo managers watched the moon shot rocket go up to the moon in the '60s and where artemis managers will watch the first woman go to the moon. you can see the rain coming in right now. we're in a hurricane hardened facility cat 5, this can withstand. so this glass is super strong stuff. and you can see some of the rain coming down on the glass right now. i see the feeder band moving in. our conditions are still windy, very rainy. so we're going to wait before we send our emergency response team to go out and start surveying our launch infrastructure here. where we have a lot of high value space flight hardware. >> yeah. i could feel one of the rain bands coming over me right now up the coast from where you are right now. 12,000 acres at the kennedy
space center. isn't that right? assess the damage if there is any will take time, yes? >> it absolutely will. we have an initial response team that's going to go out. once the winds have come down below 35 knots. we don't expect that to happen almost 2:00 eastern this evening. when that does happen, the team will go out and do an initial assessment to clear the way for the disaster recovery team. they will then come in and do a thorough job of looking at the entirety of the space complex and the multi-user space force here to make sure we don't have anything that would be unsafe for our workforce when they return once we've decided a date and time for them to return. >> and what's it -- air mattress and cots, i understand. >> yeah. absolutely. we've got the air force with us. we've got many members of our nasa crew here. they're on the old army cots.
i myself am on an air mattress. i've got my can of beans around here somewhere. someone must have moved it. but we brought in our own food. we've got enough food for three or four days. we were ready to be here for the long haul. and so it's a duty and an honor really to be here to make sure that we secure the assets of our space program which are so important to our country, john. >> right. all right. thank you so much for being with us this morning. really appreciate it. i have to say, it's fascinating to hear what's been going on there and how you all protect yourself. please stay safe over the next few hours. thanks. alisyn, even riding out a storm sounds cool at the kennedy space center. everything sounds cool over there. really extraordinary measures they take to keep everyone safe. >> except for the missing can of
beans. i get testy when my can of beans go away on the set. >> that was a band. yeah. >> the bands are hitting you now, john. and it's hard to see how you can get any more soaked, but i know that's about to happen. so we'll be back with you momentarily. there's a little bit of other news to get to. there are new revelations in the college admissions scandal. some parents may have received special treatment. next. staying at hampton for a work trip. oh no.
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>> it is not. but it's interesting to see these emails and sort of wide open. it is another defense strategy that we're seeing here as we go through this process and people still saying they didn't do it or they weren't a part of it. so let's go into it. these court filings were made by the attorney of a parent in the college emissions scam. and hopefully to prove for them that the -- even before the scam started decades ago by rick singer. remember haes charged in this as well. the filing also hopes to subpoena usc for more records. according to the l.a. times who first reported all about this. the paperwork was also obtained by cnn and includes emails between admissions personnel and participants of students wanting to get into the school. one email including a spread sheet with a section left open to explain money that's been donated to the school by a wealthy family or the potential for money to be donated. an email read this about a
potential student. quote, our community service initiative is funded by the redacted foundation. this is the daughter. and the follow-up email says that student got admitted. the attorney who made the filing told the l.a. times, quote, the records prove the existence of a university-wide program at usc where past donations, pledges of tuch donations, or expectation of future donations based on the university's belief in a parent's resources deeply affects the chances for a perspective student's admission. now, a spokeswoman for usc who had the most people tied up in the college scam said it's no secret that certain students could get flagged for special attention but that alone doesn't decide who's gets admitted and called this a fishing expedition. this is giving a peek into how they're going to fight these charges. >> i think that's important. we've all always suspected this is how it works behind the scenes but to see it in black and white is different. thank you very much.
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former secretary of defense james mattis defends his reluctance to openly criticize president trump during an expansive interview with christian amanpour and christian amanpour joins us now. this is great wide ranging interview. >> you remember when the president was first elected and then nugerated and everyone was watching who he would name to his cabinet and they picked general mattis the whole world,
not just the united states said this is tried and tested statesman, strategic planner, grown up. so when he retired from the administration people were very concerned what that would mean for the continuation of military policy and the rest under president trump. i asked him about his resignation. remember it was because the president wanted to withdraw all u.s. troops from syria. >> let mow go straight to the heart of the reason, the public reason you resigned. it was -- and you published your resignation letter in your book. it was over syria. >> right. >> and i know that you blamed president obama for quote-unquote losing iraq. >> well -- >> did you believe that president trump was losing syria and you didn't want to be any part of it? >> i thought we needed to maintain an influence in syria, but i laid this out in the letter explaining why i believed i needed to leave the
administration because i believe strongly in allies. i think that's our unique strength. when this town was hit on 9/11 back in 2001 within 60 days i was fighting in afghanistan. and joining me there were troops from canada and the united kingdom, norway and germany, turkey and jordan, new zealand and australia. now, none of their cities had been attacked. they were there because we were there, because we had been attacked, our values had been attacked. and i think that's what we have to look at. >> right now as you know the united states is involved in talks with the taliban who the united states coalition defeated back in 2001 and defeated as well and sent them packing. they seem to be calling the shots right now the taliban, and the united states is talking about the president withdrawing all u.s. troops. what is your military analysis of whether all u.s. troops
should be withdrawn from afghanistan and do you believe it will become a terrorist hotbed? >> you know, i prefer having parted from the administration over matters of policy, of a disagreement. and i laid those out in a letter. i think what i now occupy are what i call the cheap seats. i'm not responsible so i can sit on the outside, and frankly it frustrates me sometimes to see people who speak so authoritatively when they don't know the back channel things going on and have no responsibility for the outcome. the french call it a -- where you have a duty to be a quiet, the president, secretary of state, secretary of defense they have big responsibilities right now. and don't believe that i add anything to it by representing contrary views or something like this. there'll come a time when it's right for me to talk about strategy and policy. >> when might that happen?
>> i will know it when i see it. >> but will it be before the next election? >> i can't say that. >> but you talk about duty. you're a military man. duty and honor are very important in your life and career. do you believe it's your duty to speak about what you know from the inside before the next election? >> duty and honor absolutely are important and you don't surrender your oath to support and defend the constitution when you leave active duty. with that said, i don't think right now for a person steeped in the military tradition in the defense department, that i should be speaking up on things that are political assessment. >> what gives you nightmares? what keeps you up at night right now? >> right now i think there's probably one issue on the international plane and that is we need to get back to arms
controls, that sort of thing. but the one prevalent in my thinking anymore because i'm living the united states, traveling around the united states is we need to get back to fundamental friendliness with one another, a fundamental sense of respect. a reminder that the person we disagree with might actually be right once in a while. and when we get done having a good raucous discussion and hard on the issues, we're not hard on each other. >> and so that is his really huge point, the idea we need allies, that we need to get away from this tribalization of politics and, you know, across the pond where i come from in britain there's, you know, unfolding right now a continuation of a massive, political real divisive debate over brexit. >> what's happening in the u.k. seems to be getting messier, not less complicated by the day. what's happening today?
>> what's happening is the prime minister now has no working majority in parliament. he lost one of his mps. the mps have overwhelmingly voted to stop a no-deal brexit because they suspect he was trying to suspend parliament and do all the things he's been doing over the past week in order to ram through a bill without enough debate. so people would say it's hijacking democracy, creating a constitutional crisis, which it has been doing and this is frightening thing. the one big thing to know is the prime minister says he's making a huge amount of progress in negotiations with the eu, but according to the critics there's no evidence any progress is being made on brexit and the fear is he'll just crash out with a no-deal, and that is what's taking all the mps to try to stop that. >> we shall see as the clock keeps ticking. thank you for sharing that mattis interview. a lot to update you on on
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