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welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." it's tuesday, october 1st. welcome to october. 6:00 here in new york. are you ready? every major developments in the impeachment investigation of the president. remember issue the paramount question is did the president pressure a foreign leader to investigate an opponent. we've seen evidence of that in black and white. everything else is just context. to that end, while you were blinking, rudy giuliani has been subpoenaed for all documents related to his admitted role in pressuring the ukrainians for dirt on joe biden. it remains unclear whether the president's personal attorney will comply. cnn has learned that secretary of state mike pompeo was on the july 25th phone call where president trump leaned on the ukrainian president. pompeo was less than fulsome when asked about this publicly. this could trigger a new subpoena for his testimony. and a source tells cnn president
trump recently pressed australia's prime minister to help bill barr with his investigation of the origins of the russia probe. the attorney general's expansive and personal role in pushing questions about the russia investigation. > . >> and president trumps continue to declare he will try to figure out the whistle-blower's identity despite concerns about that person's safety. now the inspector general, a trump nominee is refuting the president's claims that the whistle-blower lacked firsthand knowledge of the conduct that's outlined in the complaint. apparently the whistle-blower does have firsthand knowledge. the inspector general is expected to testify on friday. that will cap a busy week ahead as this impeachment inquiry heats up. so let's begin our coverage with cnn's suzannal suzanne. >> reporter: also to talk to key
witnesses in the ukraine scandal as a president and his allies fighting back. house democrats estimating their impeachment strategy as three committees issue a subpoena to rudy giuliani ordering president trump's personal attorney to submit documents related to ukraine. >> we've asked for his documents. we'll then talk to his associates and decide whether to bring him in at that point. >> giuliani's stunning admission in a cnn interview that he pressed the ukrainians to investigate former vice president joe biden and his son fueled the democrats' decision. the three chairmen suggesting he has evidence in the form of text messages, phone records and other communications indicating that you are not acting alone and that other trump administration officials may have been involved in the scheme. giuliani says he's undecided on whether he will appear before congress. >> oh, i don't know. i'm weighing the alternatives. i'll kind of like go through it. i'll get all my evidence
together. i'll get my charts. >> this as a source tells cnn secretary of state mike pompeo was also on the july 25th phone call with the ukrainian president. when questioned about it last week, pompeo deflected. >> what do you know about those conversations? >> so you just gave me a report about a whistle-blower complaint, none of which i've seen. >> reporter: a source familiar with a recent call between the president and the australian prime minister tells cnn that president trump pressured him to help attorney general william barr review the origins of the russia investigation. the white house dismissing the report calling it part of a previously announced investigation. >> it's okay to cooperate with mueller to get trump, but it's not okay to cooperate with barr to find out trump was a victim of an out of control intelligence operation? we're not going to have a country like that. >> reporter: president trump and his allies called out by the intelligence community inspector
general who was a trump appointee forcefully pushing back against false narratives that the whistle-blower lacked firsthand knowledge of the conduct outlined in the complaint. the document stating the whistle-blower possessed firsthand and other information and that the i.g. determined that other information obtained during the icig's preliminary review supported the complainant's allegations. meanwhile, president trump's focus, finding out who the whistle-blower is. >> we're trying to find out about a whistle-blower. we have a whistle-blower that reports things that were incorrect. >> the whistle-blower's attorney tweeting they are entitled to anonymity and is not to be retaliated against. doing so is a violation of federal law. >> any rational person would be concerned about the whistle-blower's safety. >> reporter: and all this comes as mitch mcconnell concedes that the senate would have to take up impeachment if the house passed articles charging the president
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everyday to encourage them to open investigation into the bidens. "the washington post" reports that giuliani told them he has at least 40 texts from the state department asking him to get involved. i want to bring in cnn political analyst rachel bay, and cnn political correspondent abby phillip. in terms of rudy giuliani, two things fascinate me about this letter from congress. number one, the letter points out rudy giuliani, you admitted to this already. you went on cnn and told chris cuomo you pressured the ukrainians for dirt on joe biden. that's number one. the other thing that's fascinating to me is that if you do not comply with subpoena it will be used as an adverse inference against you and the president, which means potentially an article of impeachment. so rachel, is this the whole new ball game we're seeing here? congress flexing its new muscle with an official impeachment inquiry, and did we see signs rudy is cracking? >> yeah, we're definitely seeing
they were serious when they said they're going to move quickly. this only came out a week and a half ago. we're already seeing them say we need to talk to rudy giuliani. it was only a matter of time since he's really at the heart of this ukrainian controversy, had met with ukrainian officials to carry out trump's wish to investigate joe biden. you mentioned those text messages. democrats want to see those text messages to see if anybody else in the state department had been coordinating with them, who else was part of this effort. it's only been two weeks, and we are seeing them move like lightning right now . they are serious about having an impeachment vote before the holidays, and we're seeing that right here. >> to prove your point, here's the calendar that we know of. here's what the house intel is doing. mar marie year-over-ye she was recalled under sort of dubious conditions, you know, the reporting is that she wouldn't go along with the
narrative of the administration to investigate what they wanted to investigate. she was, you know, trying to do her job. that's at least the reporting. kurt volker who just resigned his post, he's the former u.s. special envoy to ukraine. and michael atkinson who's the inspector general, who has a lot of these answers and who is coming to the defense of the whistle-blower. then mike pompeo, then rudy giuliani on october 15th. i don't know which one you should be popping more popcorn for. all of these are so fascinating. what i'm struck by is that they're getting to them quickly. this is so different than the mueller report. like she just -- she was recalled, and then the special envoy just resigned and they're already calling them within days. >> absolutely. it's part of the effort to get ahead of what the white house has been doing on other probes which is stalling for as long as possible, trying to get these things locked up in the courts and trying to frustrate the narrative that democrats might
be able to put together about any kind of wrongdoing. it is also critical for some of these officials who will be the building blocks of a broader case about who knew what when, and particularly how high in the trump administration. i'm particularly interested in what kurt volker had to say. he is a key person in all of this. he played a middle man role between giuliani and the ukrainians. what did he know about why that aid was held up, and about what giuliani was supposed to be doing exactly? what did president trump want giuliani to be doing, and what did he communicate to his senior diplomatic staff about how this should affect u.s. foreign policy with ukraine? these are really, really critical questions that will start to fill in some of the blanks here about motive and about when people knew about certain aspects of this. bill barr has tried to claim he didn't know anything about what giuliani was doing and didn't
actually act on it. the question is that really true, and what exactly does kurt volker know about that. >> you're talking about the difficult situation this puts diplomats in, the state department in. you could see it when mike pompeo was asked a direct question about this. we now know based on a reporting that mike pompeo was on the call where the president leaned on the ukrainian leader martha raddatz ten days ago asked mike pompeo about this. i want you to watch him squirm l doi during this answer. >> what do you know about this conversation? >> you just gave me a report about a whistle-blower complaint, none of which i've seen. >> she asked a question about a phone call he was on, rachel, he was on that phone call. he knew it when he was answering a question to martha. that's going to be a world of problems for him. >> it's been really interesting to watch the republican leaders,
kevin mccarthy in his "60 minutes" interview, he was pushing back on a transcript, the interviewer was reading verbatim. republicans are uncomfortable here. you're seeing it when you watch kevin mccarthy on tv. the house has already subpoenaed him for information. they want to know exactly what he knew. he was on that call, how much did he know about what rudy giuliani was doing, you know, in ukraine, and the they want to see how systematic was the effort to put the pressure on ukraine to investigate the bidens. >> what i think is so interesting, abby, is that he's under no obligation to tell martha r martha raddatz the truth, he can lie to her. if he was on the call and there was nothing untoward why lie about it. these are some of the questions. >> and alisyn, we should make a note that pompeo also argued against releasing this transcript. he did not want this transcript out, and now we know it's because he was on the call. he knew exactly what had been
said on that call, and he did not think it would be helpful to president trump. turns out he was probably right about that. >> newscathat's very good conte concern is growing inside the west wing about how the president is handling the impeachment inquiry. we have brand new reporting about the warning the president is now getting from his own aides. saturdays happen.
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that he will be impeached in the house and that they are frustrated that the president will not give up on his conspiracy theories about the 2016 election and beyond. joining us now cnn political commentator joe lockhart, president clinton's press secretary and led the war room during clinton's impeachment inqui inquiry. what do you make of that reporting? during the clinton impeachment, were there aides that were coming to the president and saying you're handling this badly? >> there's two parts to that. one is, i think, that it was well into november when most of the white house staff with president clinton thought he wasn't going to be impeached. we won the midterm elections, and we thought that sent a message to the republicans to back off. we realized late there was nothing to stop them, and are they were going to go ahead. we did not have the problem with the conspiracy theory. i mean, i think all political people will focus on little
pieces of information, you know, that seem to exonerate them, but president clinton was very disciplined to not talk about this in public. the problem the white house staff is having now is the president is just, you know, living out loud. everything he thinks, every thought that crosses his mind he puts on twitter, and it's just -- it gives everybody a running list of every hour a new headline. >> i can see why they might be concerned. there's evidence that's backfiring. the inspector general of the intelligence community, a trump appointee last night basically fought back against the administration, the suggestion that the whistle-blower complaint is just secondhand information. this is what the inspector general wrote. he wrote this, he said in short the i cig did not fine the complainant could find nothing more than secondhand information. the icig determined that other information obtained during the preliminary review supported the complainant's allegations.
other information obtained. because of the what the president and his allies have said, their own inspector general said huh-uh, not only are you wrong, but i have more. >> yeah, and you know the weekend was about republican leaders fanning out and using the hearsay argument and trying to denigrate what the ic had done, what the whistle-blower had brought to the ic, and it demonstrates, i think the weakness in the white house strategy, which is they are arguing in a way where every revelation now is going to, you know, weaken their argument. their argument is that, you know, nothing was done wrong here, and you know, everything was perfect, when in fact a lot of things were done wrong here. the better argument for them would be to say let's let the investigators look at this. we're going to focus on other things right now. the president's going to be the president. we've got a lot of other work to do. you know, we've got talks starting again in north korea. that's important. we've got other issues, but you
know, the argument they're using, you're going to find week by week that all of a sudden, okay, you won't hear hearsay anymore. that's been debunked. you won't hear that things were put -- you know, covered up, put on the private server because that's going to be documented in the hearings. their argument rather than being durable and being able to work through these revelations gets weakened every day. >> they're really not taking your free advice. you've been saying this about they should focus on the people's business. they should pivot to the things people care about. they're really not doing that in a striking way. >> i like to tell people my paid advice is better than my free advice. in this case, the free advice is real having come out of experience having been through this. it's not my job to help president trump. i think he's in serious trouble for serious reasons. the path they're pursuing is not going to work, and the path they're pursuing is being driven by the president, and the
president is someone who is self-indulgent, self-pitying, and is susceptible to any theory no matter how outrageous or out there that seems to be exculpatory for him. there's one thing for politicians to sit in a room and feel sorry for themselves and, you know, sort of go through all of this. when they do it out loud, they give everyone like you a chance to, you know, lay it all out and expose the lies, you know, the made up stories, and the conspiracies. >> had you do it out loud now, it could be a new article of impeachment like attacking the whistle-blower. something like that has legal or serious existential ramifications. we do have breaking news out of hong kong, violent clashes erupting between police and protesters. it's coming on a really important day as china celebrating 70 years of communist rule.
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we're following breaking news out of hong kong, violent protests on the streets. we've been watching as riot police have been clashing with pro-democracy protesters firing tear gas into the crowds. this comes as china is celebrating today 70 years of communist rule. they had a huge military parade. cnn's ivan watson is live in hong kong with the breaking details on these protests, ivan, which have been very dangerous to say the least. >> reporter: yes, they have been violent, and we've gotten information from a police source
here in hong kong that a demonstrator appears to have been shot by a live round, wounded, and we've seen video that purportedly shows what could be this incident of a police officer clashing with demonstrators and appearing to fire a side arm at some of the demonstrators. so if that is, in fact, true, and we do have from a good source that somebody has been wounded, that is a dramatic escalation of the levels of violence here in a cycle of confrontations and clashes that have gone on for nearly four months in this former british colony. up until now we have not heard of police actually ruinedwoundi demonstrators with a live round. that shows how things have deteriorated here. it is near miraculous that nobody has been killed in these clashes. you can see some of the aftermath here. riot police who after conducting
clearance operations are sitting down, getting a rest on a hot sweltering night. the remainders in the distance here of barricades that some of the protesters have put up. john and alisyn, two, three months ago, protesters might have thrown eggs at the security forces. now they routinely tear up paving blocks and throw molotov cocktails at the security forces here, and the police in turn use -- they've used scores of rounds of tear gas. they fired non-lethal rounds that one of our crew members may have been hit by today, and for the first time we're hearing about a live round being fired in these clashes. this is supposed to be a patriotic day akin to the 4th of july for china, national day. the 70th anniversary of the founding of the people's republic of china, but instead of the mass show of military might that we saw in beijing, here in hong kong large numbers
of hong kongers rejecting the communist party, rejecting the rule of mainland china and no apparent off-ramp or political solution in sight for this cycle of violence and confrontation. alisyn, back to you. >> oh, my fwogosh ivan, that vi you just showed us, it looks as if that was a live round at point-blank range. he's as close as john is basically to me, please be careful out there as well as your crew. thank you very much for reporting all of this violence. breaking news, democratic presidential hopefuls bernie sanders and pete buttigieg moments ago releasing their third quarter fund-raising numbers. sanders raised a whopping $25.3 million. his campaign touts a record breaking september. the buttigieg campaign did not match their own $25 million second quarter, but did pull in
a $19.1 million haul for their third quarter. >> that's a lot of money. new this morning, california has changed the game of college athletics or maybe passing a law that requires players or allows players to get paid for schools using their likeness and making money off of them. andy scholes has the latest. >> this new law doesn't mean college athletes are going to be paid by their schools in california, but it does mean for the first time they will be allowed to profit from their name, image and likeness. the california governor signing the fair pay to play act into law on lebron james's show the shop. the new law that goes into effect in 2023 will allow college athletes to hire agents and shoe sales. lebron didn't go to college, but had he gone to ohio state, he says he would have been taken advantage of under the current rules.
>> i would have been one of the kids, if i would have went off to ohio state or any one of these big time colleges where pretty much that 23 jersey would have got sold all over the place without my name on the back coming from me and my mom, we didn't have anything. we wouldn't have been able to benefit at all from it. >> someone needs to force this dictat dictatorship to change because that's exactly what it is. it's no different than any country that's ran by dictators. the ncaa is a dictatorship. >> the ncaa responded in a statement saying it's considering its next step adding unfortunately this new law is already creating confusion in current and future student athletes, coaches, administrators and campuses and not just in california. you know, guys, the ncaa has called this bill in the past unconstitutional, so all indications are that they are going to put up a fight. >> thank you very much. cnn is back in the bahamas
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grand bahama island to follow up with some of the people he met during the storm. >> the porch was still here. that went that night. it was probably the worst part of the storm as the night came on there zplo. >> reporter: a month after hurricane dorian rained hell down on the bahamas, a survivor shows us what remains of his home, his island, his life. >> i'm hanging on this tree up there. right here. they were all pounding and pounding. it was just terrible. >> that's the bathroom, bedroom there, bedroom here. she was laying floating. i checked her out, she'd died on me. >> reporter: dorian hit grand bahama in the abaco islands with 200 miles an hour gusts and a storm surge over 20 feet high. when we first met howard, he had
just been rescued by jet ski. he had just seen his wife lynn die in front of him. >> my poor little wife got hypothermia, and she was standing on top of the kitchen cabinets until they disintegrated, and then i kept with her, and she just drowned on me. >> i'm so sorry. >> like thousands of bahamians, howard was left homeless by dorian. only after weeks of searching did we manage to track him down. he shows us the cabinets he and lynn climbed on top of to escape the rising waters. everywhere you look, there are fragments of their old life. one of lynn's diaries in the yard, her cross hanging from a tree branch, the glasses she lost in the storm. >> i have to keep those. she couldn't see.
see how thick they are? >> reporter: howard can't find lynn, her body, the storm carried her way. >> from what you told me you did everything you could to save your wife's life, but you say you feel guilty. >> i feel guilty i left her body and didn't take it with me. otherwise i would have had her to bury. >> how could you? you barely made it yourself. >> that's the thing, i couldn't. >> reporter: there are the scars dorian left on the landscape and then there are the scars dorian left on the people. as of now there were 56 deaths caused by the storm. a month later there are 600 people who can't be located. the bahamian prime minister tells me many won't be found. >> many will be washed out to sea. it's not unusual this type of disaster you may find remains deposit various different locations. even on different islands.
we expect that may happen. >> reporter: 30 days later and more aid is finally arriving. power and water are slowly being restored, but places like marsh harbour are still wasteland. debris is everywhere, even under water. some residents tell us that things actually feel worse now a month later. so much of the foliage here has died. you look around, and you don't see many people. it really feels quite abandoned, and there is a growing realization for those that left that they may have nothing to return to. ♪ >> reporter: bahamians say they will rebuild abaco and come to deliver clothing from other islands. la tanya miller had to evacuate
by helicopter after her home was destroyed. >> we are strong, resilient. we are praying people. so it's going to take some time. it will take some time because the island has to clean up. build a strong better abaco. >> for some hope is a rare commodity these days, harder to find than a truckload of ice cold water. many like howard armstrong are forever haunted by what they have lost. >> i've had these thoughts in the night. one night i was up and i couldn't even turn the lights out and close my eyes. i said why didn't i just go with her, then i wouldn't have had to worry about any of this or any damn thing. >> we're fwlglad you're here though. >> i know, what's going to happen now? what am i going to do now? life goes on, but this is the life i lived, and i never get to do this again in my time, and you know, my wife's gone, my partner. my love, and you know.
>> reporter: the bahamas will rebuild. tourists will return. the nightmare will fade, yet many that faced the true fury of this storm will never be whole. >> she kept everything. i'm lost without her. trust me. i'm lost. that's it, man, let's get out of here. >> reporter: and good morning, we are in howard armstrong's neighborhood. much of the devastation looks exactly like it did right after the storm. it's a ghost town here. you wonder who will come back to rebuild, and how do you rebuild. how do you build a house strong enough to survive another dorian. >> what now? such a difficult question for so many people, they just have to take it as they come. new polls out this morning show important shifts in public opinion on impeachment. where that shift is coming from even more surprising that's next. saturdays happen.
here. >> i would say so mr. friend mr. berman. do you want to impeach him, remove trump from office? now we're up to 47%. back in may it was just 41%. now a plurality say they want to impeach removal. versus in may we were way back where no was at 54%. look at this quinnipiac university jump right here. 47, 47. just last week on impeach to remove, the no on impeach remove was at 57%. we're seeing massive movement towards the yes column. >> the way this question is asked is impeach and remove here, which isn't even where congress is now. when you look at what congress is doing launching the impeachment inquiry, it looks worse for the president. >> take a look at this, do you support the impeachment inquiry? we have two polls out this past few days, and what do we see. cbs news, 55% say yes, they support that. quinnipiac university 52 to 45
say yes, they support that. and that is massive movement from august when monmouth university asked a similar question and the impeachment inquiry only 41% said yes, 51% said no. you went from a minority to a clear majority. >> where is the swing coming from? >> take a look at this. this is rather interesting. this is our cnn ss poll. among republicans, this is where we're seeing the movement coming from. it's not trump's base. among those very conservative republicans, 2% support impeach and remove in may. that dropped to 1% now. there's not a lot of movement there. it's actually on the left moderate wing of the party, the moderates and liberals, 16% supported impeach and remove in may. versus 64% said no. basically we have a third of the left wing part of the republican party saying yes, we want to impeach remove the president. >> is that a big wing of the party? >> it is not as small as you might think. a third call themselves moderate
to conservative. in congress these representatives make up a lot more, which shouldn't be so surprising why they're backing up trump so much. >> what else do you understand about the inquiry right now? >> i think there are a few other things. talking about trump and the ukraine, this might be why the impeachment inquiry is polling higher. do you think that phone call was essentially improper or wrong? what do we see? we see 48 and 50% say yes. they believe it's improper in the cnn poll and the quinn pipi poll. >> we have it in black and white here. this is evidence people have which is very different in some cases than the mueller investigation. how does this compare to past impeachments we see? >> i think this is rather important. let's compare trump to other presidents at similar points who faced an impeachment inquiry or impeachment and removal. what we see is right now in the polls, 54% say yes to the impeachment inquiry, versus clinton at this point october of 1998 only 45% said yes.
clearly the public's further along on that. we can look at the impeach and remove question. what do we see here? 47, 45 yes, no in september of 2019 to impeach and remove trump. clinton was way behind that at this point, on the 31% said they wanted to impeach and remove. this looks like nixon where the split was 43% to 41%. >> i want to point out the date here which was four, five months before he resigned. >> that's correct. >> this is n days issue for richard nixon. there is a number which i think is surprisingly good for the president. >> i think this is important. trump's overall standing according to quinnipiac university. his approval rating is the same it was last week. it's a rise in point although that is statistically insignificant. the strongly approve number for trump, 35%. that's up from 29% last week according to quinnipiac. it's more than that. that 35% is the highest of the presidency so far for trump, so there's clearly some rallying
around the base for trump going on right now. >> there might be a ceiling in that number. these numbers are really interesting and they may help drive this discussion over the next several days. thanks so much for being with us. john, it's been more than two years since the global #metoo movement began calling for powerful men to be held accountable for sexual harassment, assault and misconduct. new york magazine's senior correspondent spoke to 25 accusers/survivors about their decisions to speak out and what happened after they did. arin joins me now. what an eye opening piece you have with these 25 people you went back to speak with, and you talk about the painful repercussions of them coming forward, some of them lost jobs. one of them lost their child in a custody dispute. so tell us about your reporting and what you found. >> alisyn, i think even now two years after a global movement
used the hashtag #metoo in order to express what they had been through, even now people still don't understand what it means to come forward. it is still enormously difficult. so my colleagues and i wanted to look at what happened after they spoke up and everyone else moved on. there's still a misconception that this is something that involves personal gain. people still ask why did you say nothing at the time. why did you only do this years later? what kind of evidence do you have? and then there's the aftermath. is there a personal gain? is there fame? well, among the 25 people that we spoke to and we spoke to many more than we could include, there was a lot of cost. it was painful. it changed their relationships. it changed their professional life. they lost opportunities. they still wonder whether there are opportunities they didn't know about that they lost. in some ways these are the front line soldiers of social change. they're the people who put themselves on the lines can they may be casualties.
>> here's one example. you talked to a woman who said she was propositioned and showed sexual material by multiple supervisors at this ford chicago assembly plant. she was removed from work assignment bs. she was called a snitch. she told you, quote, i'm seeing a psychiatrist and i have medication to cope with my anxiety and depression. i would never do it again, and i would never recommend another woman do it. why would i tell someone to go up against a billionaire company like this and destroy their life. i mean, that is just a horrible outcome. >> it is, and i think it's a challenge to our society, you know. how do we create an environment where people don't suffer those consequences if they credibly speak up, if they go through the processes that they're supposed to. these people are whistle-blowers. they are calling attention to abuses of power in our society, and if we can't make sure that they're protected, that they don't end up in debt, losing
their children, losing their jobs, and this is not everybody's experience but it is the experience of many, how can we prevent this from happening again, and how can we tell people you should come forward? you should say something? why did they still do it? they did it because they felt a sense of duty and they wanted the future to be better. there are still some people who we spoke to who said that they would do it again. i think we need to create more circumstances, more environments where transparency is possible and where it's a little safer. >> this is such a cautionary tale, though, that we're not there yet. your piece is such a cautionary tale. on balance would you say the 25 people you spoke to most would say they've had negative repercussions and wouldn't do it again? >> i think most actually said they would do it again even though they suffered negative repercussions. my colleague amelia spoke to a woman who worked in a meat packing plant in mississippi. she's an undocumented worker. this is somebody who she spoke out through the eeoc process the way you're supposed to fwochgo.
they had a settlement wi. it could be viewed as retaliation. in that circumstance, even so she still says she spoke up for her rights and she's glad that she did it. now i think we really need to understand all the people who have not yet come forward. we also -- i report an allegation, it's the ninth allegation of al franken behaving inappropriately. the reason i thought it was important to report is there are so many stories we haven't heard yet. how to we create a space where people feel comfortable. >> that is interesting to hear from another al franken accuser. two years ago i would have never done anything, but it's clear to me i must have been doing something. as i've said before, i feel terrible that anyone came away from an interaction with me feeling baaed. thank you very much. it is a fantastic article, i recommend it to everybody. it is the cover of new york magazine. lots of new developments in
the impeachment inquiry. "new day" continues right now. >> president trump pressed aus rail ya's prime minister to help attorney general william barr with his investigation into the russia probe. >> barr should be talking to australia to find out if their intelligence services worked with our intelligence services improperly to open a counter intelligence investigation of trump's campaign. >> he is clearly encouraging the australians to cooperate with attorney general william barr. >> giuliani is still central to this push. >> they're silencing me because i showed up an accuser who's willing to stand up and point the finger at joe biden. >> i would expect for mr. giuliani to understand this process. i would hope that he would account in a cooperative manner zb we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." we begin with several major developments in the impeachment investigation into president trump, starting with rudy giuliani. the president's personal
attorney has been subpoenaed to turn over all documents related to his admitted role in pressuring the ukrainians to dig up dirt on joe biden. it remains unclear whether giuliani will comply. cnn has learned that secretary of state mike pompeo was actually on that july 25th phone call when president trump repeatedly pushed the ukrainian president. that could trigger a new subpoena for pompeo's testimony. and a source tells cnn that president trump recently pressured australia's prime minister to help attorney general bill barr with his investigation of the origins of the mueller russia probe. >> while that's going on, the president continues to declare that he will try to figure out the whistle-blower's identity despite concerns about that person's safety. and now when i think this is a really important development, the intelligence community inspector general, a trump appointee is debunking claims by the president and his allies that the whistle-blower lacked firsthand knowledge of the conduct outlined in the report. the