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attorney has been subpoenaed to turn over all documents related to his admitted role in pressuring the ukrainians to dig up dirt on joe biden. it remains unclear whether giuliani will comply. cnn has learned that secretary of state mike pompeo was actually on that july 25th phone call when president trump repeatedly pushed the ukrainian president. that could trigger a new subpoena for pompeo's testimony. and a source tells cnn that president trump recently pressured australia's prime minister to help attorney general bill barr with his investigation of the origins of the mueller russia probe. >> while that's going on, the president continues to declare that he will try to figure out the whistle-blower's identity despite concerns about that person's safety. and now when i think this is a really important development, the intelligence community inspector general, a trump appointee is debunking claims by the president and his allies that the whistle-blower lacked firsthand knowledge of the conduct outlined in the report. the intel community's inspector
general is scheduled to testify on friday, which caps a very busy week ahead in this impeachment inquiry. >> joining us now cnn political correspondent abby phillip and cnn political director david shine. great to have both of you. for a congress known as do nothing, they have certainly shifted into a higher gear in terms of -- they're supposed to be on recess, and all of these developments that have just come out, all of the people they're calling, the records they're subpoenaing, i mean, this is quite a week. >> yeah, i think while most of the congress is out, it was made clear by adam schiff that his intention committee was going to continue to work on this and not lose any of the momentum that they had in all -- you remember how sort of rapid fire the developments have been coming last week, and so if they were just going to go away and say we'll get back to this in a couple of weeks, that could have really caused a problem in terms of standing up the impeachment inquiry that nancy pelosi
announced. the intelligence committee continuing to do their work so when the rest come back there's going to be a road map and a path for how this impeachment inquiry is going to play out this fall. >> what really interests me is that the defense or the strategy if there is one that this white house and its allies have taken has been blowing up in their face at times. the inspector general of the intelligence community who is a trump appointee, felt the need to respond to things that the president and his allies have been saying. they've been saying it's just hearsay what this whistle-blower said. the inspector general who's a trump appointee said no, no, no, it counts, and you know what, i have other stuff here. let me read you what he wrote. he said in short the icig did not find that the complainant could find nothing more than secondhand or unsubstantiated assertions. the icig said other information
obtained during the prelame nar review supported the complainant's allegations. the substance there is fascinating to me and also the fact of we went through two years of the mueller investigation where he never responded to the term witch hunt. >> the argument by the president's allies has been on two fronts. one, they've alleged some kind of conspiracy in which the inspector general -- the inspector general of the ic had somehow changed the whistle-blower laws to allow a secondhand information, which also this letter says is not true. but then you hear lindsey graham going out repeatedly saying you can't get a parking ticket based on hearsay, which first of all is not true. but also, it does not apply here. they are making it clear that the information contained in this letter, some of which is secondhand. the details of the call are secondha secondhand, but that was
verified by the transcript of the call itself, and then subsequently, i think this letter from the icig really lays -- it forces you to read this whistle-blower complaint a little bit more closely because it says this person did have direct knowledge of some of the things they talked about in this letter, a, and b, they are subject matter experts that gives even more credence to the kinds of things they have to say. i think it really is one of the tro strongest forms of pushback we've seen from a trump appointee mind you about a narrative that is coming from all sides amongs president the allies. >> it's not just the president who may be in trouble with an impeachment inquiry beginning. it's all high level people around him. so obviously his personal lawyer rudy giuliani has been implicated in much of this. when you hear the report as well as the rough transcript. attorney general bill barr and secretary of state mike pompeo, and there was this interesting moment where mike pompeo has been asked what he knows about some of this pressuring of
foreign leaders. this is his purview, so martha rad dat rad dats asked him what he knows about that july 25th call with the ukrainian president. here was his answer. >> what do you know about those conversations? >> so you just gave me a report about a whistle-blower complaint, none of which i've seen. >> he was on that phone call we now know. he was on that phone call. >> i love that you said answer with a question mark. what was that? >> it was a deliberate non-answer. i mean, martha raddatz was talking about a wall street journal report at the time about giuliani being mentioned eight times by the president. he just went straight to that report. her question was if he knew anything about the call. he chose not to answer that question. he just made up some smoke screen over here.
i mean, i really think the question is if mike pompeo was on that call, why wasn't he the whistle-blower? like why did he listen to that call and hear the way the president behaimaeved and remai silent? >> we don't know if he remains silent within the walls of the west wing. there are all sorts of advisers and people around the president who are not comfortable with this and who actually went to the whistle-blower to tell the whistle-blower about their discomfort and may i add moved the transcript, the total transcript of that call into the secret code word protected computer. >> i don't know that mike pompeo was one of the people supplying information to the whistle-blower, but maybe, i guess. maybe. i wouldn't count on it. in answer to the question martha asked, he most definitely didn't say everything because i was listening to it, which would have been the most honest version he could have given. >> it's interesting to me that mike pompeo was even on this
call in the first place. based on our reporting it's not that common for the secretary of state to be on foreign leader calls, and we also reported yesterday that john bolton, who was the national security adviser at the time, was not on the call. so there is something interesting happening here in the fact that pompeo was on the call in the first place. it suggests that he -- well, obviously he knew what the president said on that call and then subsequently when there were conversations within the white house about whether or not the call should be -- the transcript of the call should be released, pompeo was one of the voices that said i don't think we should release this. he cited precedents in those conversations. obviously he knew the substance and the context of what was discussed and did not think that it was going to be helpful to the president's case. ultimately, he was right about that. this transcript did not put a lid on this controversy. it actually in some cases really blew the lid completely off of it and opened up a window for democrats to move forward with
this impeachment inquiry. >> and it makes him a witness. it makes him a witness now, and it's going to make his life uncomfortable in the coming days and weeks. >> there's also reporting, david, that there were all sorts of people on these calls. our jamie gangel reports that when john kelly was the chief of staff, he would often have these calls with foreign leaders on speakerphone and that people, john kelly advised people to go in and baby-sit these phone calls because the president was so unprepared, and he would go off on tangents and john kelly would sometimes mute the phone so people around the president could give him better direction and guidance of what to say so i think there were lots of people listening to these calls. >> i would just note this wasn't a typical foreign leader call. we have the actual call rough transcript to show us that it wasn't. it was a mission to get joe biden investigated, and a mission to pursue a conspiracy theory about the dnc server and
how the 2016 election was hacked. this wasn't just a congratulatory typical call and concern that the president may speak odd and funny with world leaders. this was the president of the united states wanting to get on a call with a foreign leader to do his bidding in his domestic politicaluati situation. there was nothing routine about this call. >> this isn't the wacky way president trump talks to world leaders. this is about what we have now seen in black and white, which democrats say is evidence the president pressured a foreign leader to act on his behalf for political gain. david chal yan, abby phillips thank you. we have a rare interview with one of the democratic front ru runners, senator elizabeth warren and her husband speak to cnn exclusively. toglass. they have exclusive technology and service i can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
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all right, this morning as we've seen republicans struggling to defend president trump amid the flurry of developments on ukraine. john avlon here with a reality check on this defense, john. >> yeah, there's some awkward moments because the facts of the ukraine whistle-blower case are bad, and so the president's defenders are sounding a little bit desperate in he cent dayrec. first, there's denial. president trump set the tone here with a tweet, quote, it was a perfect conversation with the ukraine president. the all caps does make it more convincing mr. president. we've seen the transcript you released, and it's not good. maybe the only person who hasn't seen the transcript was house
minority leader kevin mccarthy. >> what do you make of this exchange? president zelensky says we are almost ready to buy more javelins from the united states for defense purposes, and president trump replies. i would like you to do us a favor, though. >> you just added another word. >> no, it's in the transcript. >> you said i would like you to do a favor though? >> yes, it's in the white house transcript. >> oops as rick perry might say. that deer in the headlights moment was awkward. it's only one step away from the hearsay defense we've heard. here's senator lindsey graham. >> it's all hearsay. you can't get a parking ticket conviction based on hearsay. the whistle-blower didn't hear the phone call. >> the merriam webster dictionary defines hearsay as the same thing as a rumor, unverified and unsubstantiated. the trump inspector general found the complaint was credible and urgent. it's been backed up by the call transcript. so it's not hearsay. there's the deep state dodge,
which includes the accusation that the whistle-blower regulations were steersmysterio changed weeks ago. that is false. whistle-blower allegations have to be corroborated and that's exactly what happened here. how about the i know you are but what am i, exemplified by stephen miller? >> the president of the united states is the whistle-blower, and this individual is a saboteur. >> got that? the whistle-blower followed all the proper procedures. they are literally a whistle-blower. while the president is literally not. there's also the classic project and deflect for surrogates like jim gordon present trump as an anticorruption. muddying the waters between fact and fiction can result in a loss of cross talk. and then statements like this. >> you know, you've got an opinion. i've got an opinion. >> all got opinions. that's also called the ron burgundy defense. >> agree to disagree.
>> except this isn't a comedy. it's our country, and it's really not that much to ask members of congress to have a fact-based debate, and that's your reality check. >> we always appreciate a good ron burgundy reference. number one. number two, in terms of a fact-based defense or analysis, you know, intel chair adam schiff has i think understandably upset the president because he did this whole riff as though what it would sound like if he were a mob boss. this is at the hearing for dni maguire, and he read it like it was a page from the god father. is that a problem for this -- >> it is a problem. it was a huge mistake. it was an unforceder r error, sf never should have done it. >> it's not treason, which is perhaps the larger issue. i get the point. thank you. senator elizabeth warr surging in the polls and she takes her presidential pitch to voters. there's one person we've not heard from in her camp, warren's husband speaking out in his
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. senator elizabeth warren is trying to become the first woman president, and that would make her husband of nearly 40 years the first gentleman. how does he feel about that and more? the pair talked exclusively to cnn's mj lee. and she joins us now. >> senator warren's campaign has obviously had a lot of political momentum lately, and for the first time since she announced
her campaign on new year's eve, her husband bruce is speaking out. we sat down with him, and then the couple together, and we talked about a whole range of things including the story of how they met 40 years ago, and a previously unreported reporting about their deliberations over whether senator warren should jump into the 2020 race and how they might be preparing for a match up against president trump. >> so let's talk about the two of you. this is your first joint interview of the campaign. >> it is. >> how did you two meet? >> oh, at a pink hotel. >> yep, yep, in key biscayne. >> meet bruce man, a harvard law school professor better known these days as elizabeth warren's husband. >> so 1979. >> yes. >> you meet senator warren. what was she like? >> oh, first, let me set the scene because. >> please. >> it's completely improbable. >> the two met when they were 29
years old, attending a law conference in florida. warren had recently separated from her first husband jim warren. >> as i approached the reception across the lawn, from about, oh, i don't know, 25 yards away, the -- i saw elizabeth talking to a couple of people, and the -- and even from that distance, i was just -- i was just drawn to her. i mean, she was so lively, so animated, so engaged. i just fell for her from 25 yards out before even meeting. >> love at first sight? >> for me, yes, it took her a couple of days. >> and you? >> i was much slower. that was a sunday late afternoon when we met. >> that's right. >> i wasn't completely in love with him until sometime mid-morning on monday. he was in the row ahead of me down at the other end of the row, and it was on monday when i actually saw him in shorts and good looking legs.
>> wow. >> yeah. that's when i was all in. >> that's right. she completely objectified me. >> it's true. >> as the couple tells it, it was a whirlwind romance built on a shared o'love of teaching and academia and a bond over their similar upbringings. months after they met it was warren who popped the question. >> it was in the fall, and i'd watched him teach a class, which i'd never done before, so i'm sitting in the back of the room while he's teaching. he taught a really good glass, and students lots of interaction, students asked him questions. and he walks back in this big empty classroom, he looks down at me and he says, well, what did you think? and i said great, will you marry me? and he said. >> yes. >> yes. >> and that was it. >> that was it. >> i got to see him in one -- you know, got to see him in shorts, got to watch him play
tennis. got to do all that when we were in miami for three weeks, and then got to see him teach, and -- but that's it. >> yeah. >> i'm marrying this one. >> you know when you find a good one, grab him and hang on. >> i really am glad to see all of you here. >> warren is now one of the leading candidates for the democratic nomination for president. if she wins, her husband would be the first male presidential spouse in history. he says it's not a role he ever imagined himself playing. >> when you first met the senator, she was a republican. >> i don't think i knew that at the time. however conservative she might have been at the time, the -- it was not particularly apparent, and we really didn't discuss politics. >> friends and colleagues describe man as the quieter of the couple, devoted to his scholarship and even more devoted to his wife. he's been by warren's side as her political career has taken off rapidly, beginning with a senate campaign in 2012 and a
presidential run announced on the last day of 2018. >> so that conversation between the two of you where you decide, okay, we're going to do this. i'm going to run for president. what is that conversation like? >> i don't think of it as a single conversation. >> no, not really. not really. >> it was the bits and pieces kind of thing that people who live together do. a piece here about what's happening in our country, a piece about a prailace we ought be fighting back, and over time -- now, i did have conversations with other people, real conversations that i told them i was going to have and i wanted him to think about it so i could get good advice, and this is an important decision. >> so the conversations she mentioned were asking people to give her three reasons why she should run, three reasons why she shouldn't, and she saved me for last, and so finally she
asked me for three reasons pro and con, and i said no, i'm not going to do it. and i said you're going to run anyways. so it just doesn't matter because if you don't run and democrats lose, you'll feel guilty because that means there will be no one to fight for the people and the issues that you care about. >> it just became clearer and clearer in this fight that you're right, i couldn't not do it. >> so we fast forward ten months. >> yep. >> you know that your wuf has been -- wife has been leading the polls lately. as the person who knows her best, why do you think she's leading the polls right now? >> because she's the best person to do the job. >> i'm glad you feel that way. >> i do, i do, i do. it's an entirely unbiased opinion. >> that's right, that's right. absolutely. >> and you remember we don't do polls. >> that's right.
we do not do polls. >> and if she does become the nominee, she will go up against president trump. are you ready for that? >> i'm not sure if anyone -- how anyone trains for it. you just jump into the deep end, and you swim. >> do the two of you talk yet about what life could be reich at t -- could be like at the white house? >> no, huh-uh. it's a bit early. >> as his wife is running for president, man is continuing to teach at harvard law school. he has spent limited time on the campaign trail so far, but says he already has one of the most important jobs on the warren campaign. >> my principal role has been as bailey's handler. i help bailey manage his photo ops. >> the couple's 16-month-old golden retriever has developed a following of his own. >> what are the things you two are doing to try to keep any sense of normalcy when you're home? >> bailey.
>> no, it is. we try to get out to fresh pond and if it's a really good day, we actually do doubles at fresh pond. that means we go early in the morning and again just before it's dark, if we can make that work in the schedule. >> is there anything you could tell us about the senator that we don't know about? >> oh, probably there's a lot. wait, just a minute. >> just something the average person wouldn't know about senator warren? >> oh, gosh. >> oh, my goodness. >> to the rescue. >> bailey is also the reason for mann's recent visit to the emergency room. >> he was playing with another dog until the play stopped and the other dog attacked him. bailey was handling himself fine, but nonetheless, i waded in, and my hand caught on his harness and broke a bone. >> warren and her husband both use the same word to describe
the campaign. >> the day that you announced your campaign, it was new year's eve. >> yes. >> you had a press conference right outside this house with bailey, and at the very end i think a reporter turned to you, asked for a comment, and you said we've been married a long time, and it's always been an adventure, so this is just another one. how is that adventure going? >> really extraordinarily well, and it's even more of an adventure. back then i had no idea what it would look like, only that the -- we would do it, and so the -- every part of it remains an adventure, so i stand by that statement. >> senator. >> oh, yes. i can do this adventure because we do it together. it's true. >> okay. they are just rating on the adorable meter very high. >> there's a lot of talk about
shorts. i think that goes beyond adorable to inappropriate but. >> i mean, what i think they were saying is that they have been together because of the intellectual stimulation that they felt upon hearing him in class and the physical attraction. >> and shorts. >> definitely the physical attraction, yes. >> they were clear about that. >> and look, i don't know if this came through, but obviously we talk a lot about senator warren, the candidate having so much energy. like you see it when she's out on the trail, the photo lines that she takes, always high energy. her husband, bruce, is kind of the opposite. he's quieter. they're both intellectuals obviously, but you can tell that their personalities are different, and what i was told just talking to colleagues, friends, and obviously talking to the couple, he is sort of the one way in which she is able to decompress, especially when she's out on the campaign trail. if you ever see her pacing around the hotel grounds, the hotel lobby getting her steps in, and she's on the phone, she's talking to her husband. and i think that's a part of the campaign that is worth exploring
because it has so much to do with how these candidates sort of stay sane out on the campaign trail. >> i had never heard him speak as much as he did there. that was a really interesting interview. thank you for bringing that to us. we are very excited about our next guest, former prime minister david cameron is here. he tells us what he thinks will happen next. >> did he ever happen to call a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political opponent? stick around. saturdays happen. pain happens. aleve it. aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong.
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the election of president trump. we both suffered very badly in that 2007, 2008 crash. i think the effect of that, the economic dislocation, i think for some a bit of cultural dislocation, too and the way the media works, i think that has caused our plilolitics to chang quite a lot. >> so do you think it's just a tumultuous time? >> i think you see all over the world, not just the u.s. and u.k., you've seen a rise in populism. >> what do you think is behind that rise? >> i think what's behind it is people feeling economically left behind in too many of our towns and cities, and parts of the country. levels of immigration have been high. that's led to a sense of cultural instability as well. i think what politicians immediate to do is not complain about these trends but deal with the causes. let's demonstrate that we can have proper immigration control and make it fair. lets make sure our economies are working for the lowest pay. let's cut taxes for the lowest paid. let's increase minimum wages as
boris johnson just announced yesterday in the u.k. let's make sure we don't leave people behind. of course there are other causes, too. brexit, while i was on the opposite side of the campaign, i wanted britain to stay, there have been concerns for many years that the european union have become too big, too bossy, too interfering, too much of a political union. my renegotiation was an attempt to say let's stay in for the trade and the cooperation, but let's not have too much of our country called the european union. ultimately i was unsuccessful. >> i want to talk more about brexit. as someone who led a great democracy, what's your take on a president or a leader calling another leader and saying dig up dirt on my political opponent? >> it's a conversation that i would never -- i never had and never would have, but i'm going to restrict myself a little bit in what i say because our countries do have an amazing relationship, and i want that to continue whoever is the president, whoever is the prime
minister, and over commenting on each other's domestic politics sometimes doesn't help that relationship to flourish. >> you did answer the question right there. you said it's a conversation i never had or never would have. why not? >> i don't think it would be right to do so. we should fight our political battles a the ho battles at home using conventional weapons rather than seeking assistance elsewhere. it just doesn't seem right to me. >> are you surprised that president trump finds himself in this current state where an impeachment inquiry is beginning? >> he has changed the rules of politics quite a lot. i think, i mean, i don't want to sound like an old politician looking back, but he's broken a lot of the rules about things you can say and things you can do and get away with, but in the end we love in democracies. if you don't like an outcome, you have to vote against it. you have to mobilize, and that's the case with what's happening in the united kingdom, and what's happening in the united states. >> i was actually struck in your
book, page 690, you tell a story about president obama comparing trump -- this is before he was inaugurated to vladimir putin. can you explain that? >> i think that was a speech at the nato conference, i think in warsaw, if i remember rightly, and what barack was saying is there are some ugly trends in our politics in terms of the rise of populism, and i think barack and i were agreeing at this conference that you have to attack those in two ways, one by stressing we are liberal democracies. we have the rule of law. this is a great strength for us, our diversity, our cultural diversity is a strength for our countries. stand up for the principles. at the same time you have to address the causes that are make the populists popular in the first place. >> what do you think about the closeness president trump has wanted to cultivate with vladimir putin? >> i have to have a relationship with vladimir putin and i think it's right to try and have a relationship because you've got
to talk about syria, you've got to talk about isis, you've got to deal with terrorism, but clearly with putin, there are some very clear lines you need to draw, and the clearest of lines is in europe it is wrong to redraw your boundaries by force. and i think what barack obama and i did with other european leaders putting in place sanctions straight away when that happened did stop putin from going further. you have to have a very tough approach with putin while trying to have a relationship by all means. >> brexit, now you write i do not regret holding the referendum, but i deeply regret the result and i still think brexit is the wrong path for our country. you're a month away at this point from this. is there a binary choice, or what's the decision? is it brexit or no deal? i don't get what you think will happen. >> what i think ought to happen is the prime minister should go to brussels, which he's going to do and try and negotiate a withdrawal agreement, and then take that agreement back to parliament and pass it, and then britain leaves the european
union with an agreement. that would fulfill the 2016 referendum, even though it's the outcome i didn't want, we are a democracy. nine out of ten members of parliament voted to have this referendum. it was in my manifesto that delivered an election vikts cto. that's the best way of delivering the referendum result. parliament has passed a law saying that the government should not exit with a no-deal exit, and i think that should obey that law. it would be bad for our economy the for the united kingdom. if that doesn't work, we can't go on blocked as we are. we've had three years not being able to go forward or backwards, and in the end there are only sort of three ways out of it. you can have a deal that goes through. you can have a general election and see if that changes the makeup of parliament so that you can get a deal through, or you could have a second referendum, and i think while that's not the first choice, you shouldn't at this stage be ruling things out. we've got to get out of this blockage. we can't go on for more and more
months without resolving this one way or the other. >> former prime minister david cameron. the book again is "for the record." i also use it as a barbell at the gym. it is a great read and helpful for lots of things. >> it could have been longer. >> a lot of work went into this. and there's a lot of really interesting stuff. >> thank you so much. we have a health alert this morning. if you take zantac why some major retailers are pulling the popular drug off their shelves. so strong. you power through chronic migraine, 15 or more headache or migraine days a month. one tough mother. you're bad enough for botox®. botox® has been preventing headaches and migraines before they even start for almost 10 years, and is the #1 prescribed branded chronic migraine treatment. botox® is for adults with chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more. effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing, speaking,
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this morning, wleerni inlea nebraska man is the 14th man to die in the u.s. from vaping. the cdc reports more than 800 cases of vaping-related illnesses. dr. sanjay gupta working to pinpoint the causes of that. dr. gupta joins us, sanjay. >> john, there are 46 states as well where people have gotten ill. that gives you an idea of the scope of this. john, we talked about two separate issues at play with regard to vaping. one we talked about yesterday which is the concern about youth nicotine addiction. today, we want to talk about, as you say, this sort of what's being called a mystery illness. what exactly is making people sick or even dying. it's an ongoing investigation. but here's what we've learned so far. >> i had the shivers, and i
couldn't control it. so, i would just convulge. >> reporter: his is a story now repeated hundreds of times around the country. >> i couldn't control myself. >> reporter: young, healthy and then suddenly struggling for his life. >> to be laying in a bed and not being able to breathe. it's every parent's nightmare. >> reporter: it is cases like adam's that have prompted the centers for disease control to now open their emergency operation center. >> i'm used to it being activated around things like ebola or hurricanes or things like that. why vaping? >> the outbreak of pulmonary injury associated with vaping or e-cigarettes is an emergency. we're seeing young people become critically ill and die. >> reporter: most frightening, eight weeks into the investigation, no one knows exactly why. >> it's important to say that no single product substance, product brand or additive is linked to all of the cases right
now. and what is on a label may not actually be what the product is. >> our guidance is quite simple. don't do it. don't do it, because we don't know that it is safe. >> reporter: why did you do it? >> i didn't think it was -- i never heard of anybody having any negative effects from it. i felt i had nothing to lose. >> reporter: last year, jay jenkins and a friend drove to a convenience store and bought a product labeled cbd called yolo, yolo meaning you only live once and they vaped it. >> i took two puffs off of it. neck thing i know, i'm feeling crazy. not thinking straight. not being able to move. >> reporter: within seconds, jay lost consciousness, and started to have fright hinening hallucinations. his friend drove him to the correction center where he started having seizures.
>> i thought i was in hell. that i was already dead. >> reporter: what caused jay to react so violently. it's what the professor michelle paes is trying to answer. is it the vape lab? >> originally, we called the vape lab. >> reporter: what her lab and others have shown, it's not what they seem. some have thc, some have other things. jay jenkins, he had vaped a totally synthetic substance. it had no cbd whatsoever and no way to know who manufactured it. is the cbd supply chain safe? >> there are pockets or lanes in the supply chain that right now probably cannot be trusted. accident identifying those lanes, good luck. >> i think for the consumer, you really need to beware right now.
something is leading otherwise healthy young people to be hospitalized, in intensive care on mechanical ventilators. >> reporter: we just don't know what it is. a possible hint, according to the cdc, nearly 80% of people reported using vape 3r0ds saning thc, whereas just 16% reported using nicotine-only vam products. and keep in mind, because thc is illegal in many states there might be many more people who used it, but won't admit it. >> science says what's in that liquid isn't necessarily the same composition that's in the vapor. >> reporter: julie zimmerman is part of yale researchers focused on the chemical reactions when people vape. >> there are chemical reactions happening in that solution after the manufacturer mixed the chemicals. the fda regulates them and calls them generally safe but that is for eating ingestion, not for inhalation, breathing them into
your lungs. >> reporter: you sort of super heat the chemicals with the heavy coils and atomize it. and accumulate or recongeal. i don't know what that does to the body. just like they didn't know what cigarettes did the body when they first came out. does that part of it worry you? >> so, it worries me for sure because we don't know the long-term effects but it doesn't worry me for smokers. >> reporter: dr. michael siegel is a professor of health at boston university. >> it doesn't worry he for smokers because i now 1 out of 2 of them is going to die from smoking if they continue to smoke. >> reporter: would the cdc recommend for the lime being that people just not do it? >> what we're recommending if you're concerned about your health risks in light of this investigation that you consider not using e e-cigarettes or vapg products.
>> reporter: it's a warning that jay jenkins has heard. >> i certainly won't do it again. >> reporter: you will not? >> i will not. i took a chance, luckily, they were able to save my life. >> one of the concerns we've heard many times coming up is where has the fda been in all of this. i think it's safe to say there is now a lot of traction, a lot of movement. the fda is looking at several fronts at regulation, including the type of 3rproduct that jay jenkins took. a cbd product. it's legal because it's cbd hemp but not well regulated. he bought a product from a convenience store, paid with a credit card and yet the product labeled cbd was not cbd at all. that's one of the problems that the fda has to address, john. >> again, sanjay, we're thankful you're on the story. thank you for your reporting. there is another major medical story, we're learning major drugstores here in the united states, they're pulling both the
brand name zantac and its generic form from shelves. why, what do consumers need to know here? >> this is interesting, this is what we've heard before regarding an imbupurity called ndma or the zantac. it's an impurity, that in large amounts has been associated with cancer in animals. in that low amounts, in humans, we don't know. but these drug store chains including cvs are being pretty cautious here. i will say that the fda is being a little less concerned. they're basically saying, look, these levels are such low amounts, they're the same amounts found in many common foods. they say, look, you can consider switching from zantac to another over-the-counter medication if you're concerned.
my thought is they'll figure out this impurity and i think it will be back at some point. >> sanjay, thank you very much. oh, i'm talking now, hi. thank you, thanks for all of the information. now, to this, this afternoon, new york congressman chris collins who you will remember as the first congressman to endorse president trump well, he's expected to lead guilt to insider trading charges. cnn's brynn gingras is here. what have you learned? >> it's going to be addressed on the house floor. and it's a turn of events for a man who adamantly denied any wrongdoing, multiple times, even though he battled to his house seat last year. the congressman will plead guilty this afternoon, to what charges is unclear. but last august, federal prosecutors accused him of giving insider trading information to a company.
collins served on the board of that company and eventually gave a heads-up to his son when the drug failed an important drug tile allowing them to dump stock. collins pleaded not guilty to the original indictment and again when the charges were revised. and he won re-election in 2018, even with this hanging over his head. collins represents a historically red district. of course, it was also said that he was the first congressman to endorse donald trump for president. and collins' son and an associate who were charged with the congressman are also expected to change their pleas later this afternoon. >> yeah, i remember he's been on our program many times. we've asked him specifically about this. it's interesting to see how this plays out. thank you very much. thanks for international viewers for matching, for u.s. viewers a member of the house intelligence committee joins us next only the impeachment push. "new day" continues right now. we're trying to find out
about a whistle-blower. >> any rational person would be concerned about a whistle-blower safety. >> president now has to worry about conversations he's having with world leaders being leaked to the press. that is not good. >> fact that mike pompeo would be part of this call, he doesn't say anything about it, or he doesn't bring it to anyone's attention in congress is problematic. >> this could get awfully messy if it includes the secretary of state. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. all right, good morning. welcome to your "new day." it is tuesday, october 1st. it's 8:00 in the east. honestly, every time you blink, there are new allegations on the impeachment investigation. did the president lean on a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent joe biden, and we've seen evidence of that in black and white, in the notes from the phone call. everything else is just context. to that end,