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>> larry: thank you both, very much. dennis, hang tough. donald, as always we appreciate the time. >> thank you, larry. mnz sophia lauren, kate hudson, judi dench, the whole cast of "nine" here tomorrow night. right now ac 360 sxandson cooper. a possible deal in behind the scenes struggle over health care and what a struggle it is. to get the last votes needed have the democrats done away with real reform? this on a day president obama met with bankers. we bailed them out but what did we get in return? we're "keeping them honest." tonight, david gergen joins us for a "360 briefing." also ahead, a "360" follow. we've been investigating james arthur ray, that's him there, the sweat lodge ceremony that ended up with three people dead. tonight for the first time, a former senior employee of james arthur ray is speaking out to us. she was at the sweat lodge ceremony and what she has to say is simply stunning. implts later. later, tiger woods another
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brand dropped him. is it beyond repair? we'll go up close. we begin with the breaking news in the health care battle. we're getting late word that senate democrats are close to dropping a key compromise that was hammered out just last week. the part being dropped would have allowed 55 to 64-year-old americans to buy into health care. the reason that compromise was there in the first place was a tradeoff for dropping a public option earlier from the bill. the compromise hit a major snag when senator joe lieberman said this weekend he was against expanding medicare and wouldn't support health care reform that included it. senate democrats held an emergency meeting tonight, senator lieberman of connecticut, independent, is one of the essential votes, basically, one of the 60 votes they need. dana bash joins me live with the latest. dana, what do we know, is this thing dead or not? >> reporter: according to democrat sources, it looks like they're poised to drop this idea, for one reason, you said it, it is because of joe lieberman and his opposition and the fact this they realize with coaxing from the white house
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they simply can't pass health care without joe lieberman, especially not on the timetable they're looking for, that is by christmas. we talked about last week and you just mentioned, part of the idea here was to appease liberals who had been demanding a public option. guess what, anderson, we talked to many of the liberal democrats, senators tonight and they suggested they are not happy with dropping the medicare buy-in idea but they may have to live with it. i just want to tell you one quick story. i just bumped into the senate democratic leader harry reid, he was on his way out of the capitol. capital. and the fact that we are here and he is going to drop the medicare buy-in idea. he didn't directly confirm it, but he complimented our reporting track record and got in the car. >> what i don't get and what frankly a lot of democrats don't seem to get about senator lieberman, didn't he support the idea of expanding medicaid just three months ago? there's a video from three months ago about -- him talking about why he supported it. i want to show this to our viewers.
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>> my proposals were to basically expand the existing successful public health insurance programs, medicare and medicaid. when it came to medicare, i was very focused on a group post-50, maybe post-55, people who have retired early or have unfortunately been laid off early who lose their health insurance and they're too young to qualify for medicare. what i was proposing is that they have an option to buy in to medicare. >> okay. so that was three months ago. why the flip-flop? >> that's right. lieberman was talking three months ago about the fact that in the past he has supported it. he campaigned, anderson, with al gore, remember when he was a democrat, the vp candidate with al gore on this issue and in the years following that, he still supported this. he was explaining there why. his office admits, they have no choice, they admit he has changed his position. the reason they give is because
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they say that deficits have skyrocketed since then. he's worried about adding to that and he also sees the medicare program has much more strain than it had in the past. i'll tell you, his spokesman gave me a quote, he said if anyone believes a situation has not changed they also believe that tiger woods is not a controversial figure at this moment. >> all right. dana, appreciate the latest. we'll have an insider's report on health care with david gergen. first, i have to tell you about the meeting with the president and bankers today. it's no secret, big banks are going back to business as usual, big bonuses and all. today we have more evidence of that, wells fargo became the fourth bank to announce it will repay in full the bailout money it received this year, $25 billion. citigroup meantime said it will return nearly half of the $50 billion they got from taxpayers and, of course, banks once they give back the money they are then free to award big bonuses as they like. president obama told "60 minutes" last night that bankers still don't get it. take a look. >> i did not run for office to be helping out a bunch of fat
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cat bankers on wall street. the only ones that will be paying out the fat bonuses are the ones that have now paid back that t.a.r.p. money. >> do you think that's why they paid it back so quickly? >> in some cases that was the motivation. which tells me the people on wall street still don't get it. >> what exactly doesn't wall street get? i want to show you some numbers over here at the wall. these numbers since last year, taxpayers have laid out through a variety of programs an awful lot of money. take a look. they've laid out more than $450 billion in bailout money to banks. that money was supposed to help melt the credit freeze, right? it was supposed to get banks loaning again. take a look at this. banks have actually slashed business lending by about 15%. now, these are some of the banks the president was talking about. goldman sachs, morgan stanley, jp morgan chase. in addition to paying themselves those monster bonuses this year, which we'll show you in a second, the banks were spending money. guess what they spent an awful lot of money on, even when they were supposedly in such financial trouble?
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they spend it the on lobbying, lobbying against financial regulation, reform that would put tighter control on banks and protect consumers. how much did they spend on lobbying? goldman sachs spents more than $2.1 million on lobbying, morgan stanley, more than $3 million. jp morgan, $4.3 million. all told, commercial banks have spent more than $36 million this year in lobbying. that's $36 million, a huge amount of money, right? it's nothing compared to what they gave themselves in bonuses. take a look at this. banks gave nearly $30 billion in bonuses. that's just for the three banks, goldman sachs, morgan stanley and jp morgan chase. all of this while the american people are hurting. the number most americans are dealing with and facing every day is this number, 10%, that's the national unemployment rate. for a lot of people these numbers do not add up. are the banks bilking us? for all the tough talk on "60 minutes," is president obama really doing anything about it? ed henry is "keeping them honest." >> reporter: what's interesting
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as you noted, the real reason the president let the bankers have it today is the fact they were bailed out by the taxpayers. now they're healthy again, handing out bonuses but they're not handing out a lot of loans. the president using tough language, calling them fat cats. today was a bit more diplomatic here at the white house. but he still let them have it. take a listen. >> my main message in today's meeting was very simple. that america's banks received extraordinary assistance from american taxpayers to rebuild their industry, and now that they're back on their feet, we expect an extraordinary commitment from them to help rebuild our economy. >> reporter: what's happening behind the scenes is that democrats close to this white house say part of the reason the president is expressing so much outrage, there's real fear within the party that heading into a midterm election year, some of the populous outrage could be turned against the president. literally from day one, since he was sworn into office, he's been expressing outrage about the bonuses. he's been demanding that the
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banks lend more money. there has been very little action. and that's why there's concern at this white house that unless they get ahead of it, it could be turned around against them, anderson. >> the more you're seeing just expressing outrage and stamping your feet, not really doing anything about it, the more powerless you look. from the bankers' perspective, and it's important to get their perspective, what are they saying? the president's called them out before. >> reporter: i was waiting out at the cameras here, outside the west wing of the white house. a few of the bankers came out. i was stunned to hear some of them saying this is an optics problem. they've actually been lending a lot in the last year but their story hasn't gotten out. they have to do a better job in 2010 of telling it. richard davis of u.s. bankcorp said the meeting went well, we're all in agreement. we're going to lend more money in 2010. i pressed him, i said, look, if you're all in agreement, singing kumbaya, why isn't there more lending? take a listen. >> we do agree. there's a time and a place for lending to be a risk reward measurement, right?
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the end of a recession, the qualifications of most borrowers are more than they were at the beginning. you don't want us to make loans that are not strong or well-suited for the consumer or for the small business. >> reporter: now, robert gibbs, the white house spokesman disagreed with that today, saying the president is not talking about going back to the crisis and basically lending money to people who can't afford it and cooking the books. instead, he's talking about lending money to people who are trying to refinance their homes, take advantage of the historically low interest rates. they have the money to do it but they're tied up in regulations right now. there's a real disconnect there. that's what the president is pushing on. so far, he's gotten little action. what the white house is pointing to tonight, wells fargo giving back bailout money. citigroup gave back bailout money. they think slowly but surely the banks are getting the message. slowly is the key word. >> 4.8% for a mortgage, you think i want to refinance my mortgage. but it's not that easy. they're holding on to the money. ed, appreciate the reporting. let us know what you think, join
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the live chat at ahead on the program tonight, what all this means for president obama's ambitious promises on health care and wall street reform. are these bumps in the road or has he lost control of his agenda? look at his poll numbers, they are way, way down. we'll get an inside's briefing from david ger again in a moment. and a "360" follow, a former employee of this guy, james arthur ray, is speaking out about what she saw during that sweat lodge ceremony. he's the self-help guru that supposedly helps people, had a sweat lodge ceremony that left three people dead. an insider is talking to us, tonight. camry received 5 star crash safety ratings. but only malibu has onstar. big deal. i'll just use my phone. let's say we crashed. whoops, you lost your phone and you're disoriented. i'm not disoriented. now you are. onstar automatic crash response can call to see if you're ok. onstar emergency. is everything ok howie? you don't answer, they can automatically send help to your exact location. i think i'll ride with you. the award-winning malibu. from chevy.
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cracking down on wall street and passing health care reform are two key promises president obama made when campaigning. tonight, as we said, big banks are poised to pay out huge bonuses, despite slashing lending and senator joe lieberman is threatening to derail the senate health care bill. it's fair to ask what all of this means for the president's agenda and whether he's lost control of it. many of our regular guests have unique access and inside knowledge stories of the day. starting tonight with senior political analyst david gergen we'll be turning to them for an insider's briefing. dropping the medicare buy-in, could we be seeing a liberal revolt in the wake of this? a lot of people haven't been following the minutia of this, but that idea of expanding medicare to 55 and above, that was all for liberals who were angered over the public option being dropped out. >> yes. let's put this in the larger context, first, anderson, for a president who's had more trials than anybody in a long time. this has become a climactic week for his presidency in this first year. he has to deal with the bankers.
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he's desperately trying to rescue health care and save that and he's going to copenhagen at the end of the week. that potential treaty is also going south. he has to rescue that. on this issue of health care, there's no question, that the liberal part of the democratic party is increasingly frustrated, angry, angry at the process, because they thought they were going to get a public option. that was -- became central to them. never central to barack obama, central to them. the moderates and centrists said we don't want to buy into that. the senate came up and said, okay, instead of doing that, let's have this medicare buy-in. lieberman even supported it some time ago. lieberman turns against it over the weekend, very firmly. they're short of the 60 votes and tonight they're doing anything they can at the white house to salvage this and the reports are they've been pushing harry reid to accept lieberman's change of heart, drop medicare. there's no sign, there's nobody in the liberal ranks yet who has said he will break ranks like a russ feingold but that is potential. and anderson, there's potential
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here that the liberals will get angry at the president and the white house for not fighting harder to keep people corralled and get more of their views through. >> but if he gets lieberman on board by dropping this expansion of medicare, they still need, what, ben nelson and they need to figure out language on abortion that ben nelson will support. >> that's right. they conceivably if they drop medicare could pick up support from olympia snowe. she's been troubled by this medicare proposal. maybe they can get ben nelson. but anderson, there's one more step in this. the liberals may have to accept some form of the stupac anti-abortion amendment before this is over in order to keep the house on board. there are a lot of moving parts on this but it's clear that the white house is desperate to get to 60 votes this weekend. they are willing to drop darn near anything and move this bill to the right and strip it down. >> and that's because -- >> in order to get the 60. >> that's because it's so essential now for the president to be able to say i got health care reform, whether or not
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almost no matter what it looks like at this point? >> that's exactly right. now, in fairness to the white house, when they started this process, they never thought public option was very important. it's never been part of the debate. the white house has been for universal access and people are losing sight of it. this bill does provide near universal access, no president, seven presidents have tried this, none has succeeded. barack obama may succeed. insurance reform. some other important reforms. but to the left, the public option and indeed the medicare buy-in was a dramatic step toward a single payor system which has been -- is very much an iconic proposal. >> yes. >> for a lot on the left. this is -- the white house is sort of like trying to get a balloon up in the air and just throwing things over the side until you get a little height on it. >> i want to play something that president obama said to oprah winfrey last night in the special that aired last night. let's watch. >> what grade would you give yourself for this year?
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>> um, good solid b plus. >> a b plus? >> yes. i think that we have inherited the biggest set of challenges of any president since franklin delanor roosevelt. >> he gives himself a b plus. his approval ratings hitting a new low. is he trying to put a game face on a bad situation or, i mean, does the white house perceive that there are successes on the brink? >> they perceive that they've done better than the public thinks. you remember with cnn we had a big national vote here earlier this year and people gave him less than a b plus. and anderson, it's striking that last week when he went to oslo to receive the most prestigious prize in the world, the nobel peace prize, at that very moment, his gallup poll was at the lowest level of any president since harry truman at that time in office.
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so he's got this odd paradoxical situation where he's pulling off a nobel prize but his ratings are real low. here's the deal. because this week is so climactic, if he can pull off health care and if he can pull off copenhagen at the end of the week, then the belief in the white house is with unemployment peaking that he'll be on the comeback trail and the b plus or a minus will be merited. if either one of those or both fall apart and he can't get them, b plus will be way too generous. >> for me that's the takeaway for the scenery. that this is a climactic week for the president on those three fronts, with the banks, health care and copenhagen. david gergen, thanks. tomorrow on the program, is it groundhog day on capitol hill or perhaps just almost christmas? congress just passed a huge spending bill loaded up with, get this, 5,000 earmarks worth almost $4 billion of your money. it comes at a time when congress is about to raise the debt limits so the government can borrow even more. what happened to the obama administration's promise to end this kind of spending, this kind of earmarks? we're "keeping them honest," tomorrow night.
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and next, a former employee of self-help salesman, james arthur ray. we've been following this for months now. a former employee tonight for the first time and only here on "360" is speaking out about what she saw during that sweat lodge ceremony that killed three people. details ahead. more fallout for tiger woods. another sponsor bailing on him. has his brand been damaged beyond repair? we'll take a he look at that. simple, fair pricing. no hidden account fees. no shenanigans. just gptd value. real help. smart people who are easy to work with. that's what td ameritrade stands for. what does your investment firm stand for? it's time for fresh thinking. it's time for td ameritrade. some people like to pretend... a flood could never happen to them... and that their homeowners insurance...
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we've been following the case of james arthur ray for weeks. i want to show you his picture. it's important you know who this guy is. this is ray. he styles himself a self-help guru. he gives big seminars across the country for years he made a lot of money from people who are looking for something, motivation, looking for success. looking for a whole host of things in their lives. well, you'll remember three people died after taking part in a sweat lodge ceremony mr. ray was in charge of. he hasn't cooperated with police, nor have his employees. but tonight in extraordinary detail, a former high-level employee is going to describe what happened during that sweat lodge ceremony. instead of helping the victims, ray allegedly ignored their cries for help, did nothing as they were dying. all the information you'll hear tonight is new, gary tuchman spoke to the former senior employee. he joins us now. gary? >> melinda martin is the first person who worked for james arthur ray the day of the sweat lodge tragedy to speak out against him. what she tells us is chilling and sickening. melinda was ray's event
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coordinator, helped plan the sweat lodge event at sedona, arizona. people were overcome by the heat and three people, james shore, liz newman and kirby brown died. she said many people came out of the tent collapsing. she says ray continued to lead the ceremony inside the tent as many came outside collapsing. >> it was like a m.a.s.h. unit. helicopters coming down. well, when he came out, the helicopters weren't there. bodies everywhere, passed out. i mean, then he walked out there looking like a million bucks. >> what was james ray doing during this time? >> watching. standing above and watching. they hosed him down and he said, oh, thank you. then he walked past the guy who was screaming, saying he was earlier saying he didn't want to die, please don't let me die. when james walked by him, this guy said to james from his sitting down position, he goes, i died. i literally died and i came back to life. and james was like, all right, man, gave him high five. it was fantastic.
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james, i think, was completely oblivious to the pandemonium that was taking place. >> reporter: what happened during the worst point of all this, the most horrifying point? >> my most horrifying point, the worst point is when the ambulances arrived and the helicopters arrived and the paramedics came and surveyed kirby brown and they put her in an ambulance instead of a helicopter. that was the worst moment for me. >> reporter: because you knew it was too late for her? >> yes. after me, giving her mouth to mouth, i would breathe into her mouth, her stomach would go up and when it would go back down again she'd vomit into my mouth. and this happened four times. and i really thought i was going to bring her back. i really thought she was going to survive. >> it's stunning that james arthur ray left it to his employees to be giving mouth to mouth while he's standing there being hosed down and giving people high fives. you also did another story recently. you tracked down another woman who had committed suicide, apparently during another james arthur ray seminar.
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>> right. that event was in san diego. james ray told participants to not carry ids or cell phones and pretend they were homeless for a few hours in the downtown area. it was a self-sufficiency exercise. in the middle of it one of his participants jumped off a balcony and killed herself. for seven hours she was a jane doe in the hospital morgue because she had no i.d. james ray participants and employees had no idea why colleen didn't leave with them. the medical examiner confirmed with the james ray people na night that it was cole lien that jumped. melinda says the next day, she had this conversation with ray. >> during breakfast, i inquired, i just said, off-handedly, any idea where colleen is or have you been able to find her? the staff, they just looked at me like -- you know, deer in a headlight. he said, well, i've talked to my attorneys and basically it's important that you're not involved in this and we have
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found her and she's fine and she's decided not to return to the event. if anybody else asks you that, we have found her, she is fine, she has decided not to return to the event. >> you know she decided not to return because she was dead. >> right. >> he told you she was fine, though, james arthur ray. >> right. i had no reason not to believe him. i thought it was strange that he was angry with me for asking questions. i thought it was an innocent question. >> you were kicked out of a james arthur ray meeting when you tried to ask a question. he hasn't been talking to the media. what does he have to say about this? >> james ray, anderson, is not talking to us. his company has given us a statement which it declares, food, water and hoses to cool people off and staff members with cpr training, which included melinda, were outside the tent. the company said --
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>> ray faces the possibility of serious charges. the investigation continues. the sheriff's office in sedona is not talking to reporters but is talking to families of the sweat lodge victims. and some of them have told us they are confident based on their conversations, ray will be charged. melinda martin, who the james ray company does acknowledge helped those who were sickened has also been interviewed by the authorities and tells us she believes ray and others will be charged. >> what have they told you about that? >> i think they told me there might be ten people indicted. i don't know who those ten people might be. >> but might we presume there are other employees of james ray who would be included in that? >> i hate to speculate. all i could do is speculate and that would look bad. >> melinda says she has been assured she will not be one of the people indicted. she adds she has regular nightmares about the situation, has visited family members of the victims. if you're wondering about her employment with ray, she took a
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leave of absence before receiving a note from the james ray company that her position was being eliminated. not a surprise here, anderson, but down the road it's very possible she could be a very important prosecution witness against james ray. >> i assumed after all the deaths happened that james arthur ray would at least cooperate with police but if not that, then at least have some decency and go into seclusion or cancel seminars. he's still out there making money. >> here's the latest. okay? you can sign up for james ray courses next year. he can make money in that way. he has stopped holding these free seminars. >> he went to seminars right after these things happened. >> i wasn't allowed in. my producer went in, asked james ray a question in front of 150 people. why are you holding seminars two weeks after three people died? he said this is not a news conference. my producer got booed out of the room. three days after that he decided not to hold the seminars anymore. >> at least that's one sign. gary, appreciate it. still ahead, remember the video of the chicago teen getting beaten to death? for weeks police were trying to get anyone with information to talk.
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iran's foreign minister says three american hikers being held there will be put on trial. the hikers were detained on july 31st when, according to their families, they accidentally strayed across an unmarked border into iran while on a hiking trip in kurdistan. they are being held on espionage charges. on wall street, stocks hitting 14-month highs today. the dow jones ending at 10,501, the highest close since october 1st, 2008. the s&p 500 and the nasdaq also closing at their highest levels in more than a year. ashley dupre, who was linked to spitzer, her column, "ask ashley" debuts in sunday's "new york post." she'll offer no nonsense advice about sex, love and relationships. >> wow. relationships? okay. >> yes. >> why not. still ahead a major sponsor cuts ties with tiger woods.
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his image is tarnished and he's taking an indefinite break in golf. can tiger inc survive the scandal. the story behind this disturbing video. tonight, one of the teenagers involved is speaking out. why he says the four teens charged with beating an honor student to death should be set free. coming up. boss: y'know, geico opened its doors back in 1936 and now we're insuring over 18 million drivers. gecko: quite impressive, yeah. boss: come a long way, that's for sure. and so have you since you started working here way back when.
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darrion albert was hit in the head with a wooden plank and killed. four other teenagers are charged in the crime. one of them is eugene riley. his brother, vashion bullock was also involved in the fight. what he says about the fight and the death of darrion albert may surprise you. listen. >> reporter: let me get to this point about darrion. did you know him beforehand? >> yeah. >> how well did you know him? >> i didn't know him like that. he used to come sit in the back of the lunchroom and sit with us. >> reporter: what happened that day that had you end up in the middle of all that? >> one of the kids threw a rock at my brother's car. i approached the boys like why you all throwing rocks and stuff at the car and stuff? they picked up bottles and brought them. they ripped the railroad tracks up just to fight. >> reporter: the video shows a shirtless vashion with his brother, riley, standing next to him. both empty handed as another teen whacks vashion with a wooden plank.
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when the brothers appear again, they're holding planks. so your brother comes over and does what? >> swung on one of them. he was fighting with him. he had to protect hisself and me. because i am his little brother. >> reporter: you're telling me your brother was simply defending himself and defending you? >> yeah. because they threw it -- come on, i got hit in the back of my head. he got hit in the back of his head with a stick. >> reporter: did darrion, as far as you know, was he ever part of the group that was jumping you? >> i ain't going to say he was fighting me because i couldn't tell. >> reporter: you assume he was over there trying to swing on you? >> no, i ain't assuming. i know for a fact. >> reporter: but authorities have repeatedly said darrion was nothing more than an innocent bystander, on his way home from school, caught between two rival groups. darrion was still on the ground when vashion's brother, eugene, delivered a final blow. i know it's your brother and i know you love him. did you think it was necessary
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to take it that far, to hit this kid with, what you call it, a weapon. >> they brought those weapons to the fight. that's what people not understanding. >> reporter: if darrion was down, if he was clearly being jumped, why did your brother -- why do you think your brother had to go after and hit this kid who clearly wasn't a threat anymore at least? >> a threat anymore? he was a threat. he was another body, another body with two hands that could have been swinging on anybody. >> reporter: what did you think that darrion had been killed? >> i was like, that was sad. ain't nobody meant to take his life. >> reporter: after video of the brawl was released, vashion's brother, eugene, was taken into custody, one of the four teens charged in the killing of darrion albert. do you think your brother should be in jail right now? >> no. >> reporter: why not? >> because it was a fight.
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fight happens, people die daily. >> reporter: you know, for the police and for our justice system that ain't good enough. your brother picked up something, hit a kid and the kid died. >> what about the other people that picked up the weapons and mitt me? where are they at? >> reporter: don't you think somebody should be held accountable for darrion's death? >> no, not accountable for the whole thing. it was a mistake. nobody wanted him to die. we just was afraid. fights get took out of hand. not intentionally, just because. >> that was t.j. holmes reporting. let's "dig deeper" now with cnn education contributor steve perry. it's so disturbing when you see this. this young man doesn't want anybody held accountable, clearly he doesn't want his brother held accountable. it seems like this is an acceptance of, this is just a fight, these things happen. >> there's a desensitization. think about it for a second. since this weekend when darrion was one of sixteen agers to die, over 85 people have been
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murdered this chicago. in the same time period, just over 85 have been murdered in afghanistan. this is an entire country versus a community. these children are desensitized to the point they don't even see what it is they're doing to contribute to it, because they've been practicing this for so long. this back and forth. he said people die every day. i was in chicago a couple weeks ago. i asked a young man, does any of this surprise you anymore? he said, no. i said even when kids get killed? nope. we have given up on these children. we haven't given them access to quality education. i'm always surprised -- >> you point to the education system? >> it's one of the places, a very important place. the elephant in the room -- this man is clearly inarticulate. let's be honest. he's clearly inarticulate. >> his ability to speak his thoughts is limited. >> right. he wasn't born that way. presumably. he had access to a school system that did not educate him. when we don't educate young people we make them dangerous individuals.
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educated people are usually safe to be around, uneducated people, not so much. take it one step further. i'm always surprised in the drive-through community, especially the one we're talking about, when i see church after church after church. i see all these churches. with so many churches in a community how could there be so much strife and danger? at some point this community has to begin full responsibility. the mayor has been the mayor for the entire life of most of the children in the school system. >> we were there right after this happened. the mayor gave a press conference and the department of education, the head of education was there, the attorney general was there and they're saying, enough is enough. you saw the mayor saying that and you're saying how many press conferences has this mayor given saying that exact same thing, and nothing changes? >> the president is from there, around arne duncan is from there. yet we're sending money overseas to fight a war when the most dangerous of the two places is in the united states, right there in chicago, usa. >> it's two-pronged, parents, families, churches and the
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education system? >> absolutely. i don't understand how teachers and principals can comfortably take their salaries when they know they're not educating salaries and preachers can comfortably take their 10% on the weekends when their commune is the not safe. likewise, i don't understand how americans can feel -- a mayor can feel comfortable running again. he's now heading up one of the poorest communities in country and one of the lowest improving school systems in the country. at some point we have to hold people accountable. this is not about making friends. this is about changing the circumstances. these children deserve access to a quality american life. they're born in america. this child is just one example. seven people were murdered this past weekend. almost 25 have been murdered in december. at some point, something has to jar us into understanding what we are creating killers. >> right. >> truth be told, it doesn't even make national headlines anymore. it's local headlines, if that. >> if that. there are a number of sites dedicated to the murder rates in chicago. you can go on the internet and just do murder in chicago and
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there are a number of sites that come up. they have dots on them, pins on them for the number of murders in each community and they are different colors for different months as if they're counting the national debt. >> it's remarkable. steve, appreciate your voice. thanks. >> thank you. >> steve perry. how big a problem is youth violence? go to for raw data on that. up next, tiger inc. new word from sponsors saying good-bye to the superstar, and controversy from one company's leader that calls woods' indiscretion a minor blip. an update on the itannian prime minister's condition. he's bloodied there. we'll tell you what happened next.
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while his alleged mistresses continue to speak out and pop up, his self-imposed seclusion
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continues. he's on an indefinite leave from professional golf. he's admitted to transgressions and infidelity and asking for understanding. one sponsor has had enough. accenture severed ties with woods this weekend, and just today the watchmaker says it needs to examine its long-term relationship with him. at&t doing the same thing, and tiger got the most support from nike. it's chairman saying, when his career is over and you look back on indiscretions as a minor blip. but the media is making a big deal out of it right now. is it a minor blip? let's talk about with christine brennan, and rick har row. all the ways to characterize what's happening to tiger woods, does minor blip fit in? >> no, it does not. coming from phil knight who runs nike and loves having that renegade image, we shouldn't be surprised those are the words he would utter.
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he signed up tanya harding after the attack on nancy kerrigan. he gave her $25,000, and he felt she was maligned and wanted to suppo supporter. >> i have no memory of that. i blocked that out. that's incredible. >> that's what nike does. i have to say, minor blip, my goodness. that seems to me a bit of a slap in the face to women, to husbands and wives, to children. is that really the image that nike wants to project? >> it's interesting when you hear "minor bleep," i was walking through the airport the other day and you see the accenture ads and look at them in a different way. >> it's not that they dropped him but how they dropped him. this is the first statement tiger didn't have a handle in drafting him. gillette said respect his privacy, and accenture said this is no longer the right fit.
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this is a business reality as far as nike. the golf brand is tiger. when he came on tour there's no such thing as tiger golf. that's the gross sales of nike's responsibility and the commitment of the golf brand. so it probably is an inartful choice of words, but we understand the business of realities. >> it's interesting to track those sales over the next couple weeks and months. i want to play something for you. it's a promotional clip from sky news in new zealand. they taped an interview before his accident. it was supposed to air on christmas day. he's asked about his family and obviously some view what he says as contradictory of what's known now. take a look. >> this is the man who had it all. >> it's been great. the best thing that that's happened. >> fame, fortune and family. a man unaware that very soon fate would make his answers sound like lies.
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>> always feel like that? >> always. >> that's essentially what he said to 60 minutes a while back, family comes first. i guess this speaks to the issue of hip pock see. i hadn't realized he crafted a public image as a family man. i didn't follow him that closely. he would bring he his family to events and but bring them up in interviews as part of his brand basically. >> exactly. the website, family photos, and then the boy was born, and michael jordan never did that. there's tiger doing that, anderson. and the family on the green after he wins a golf tournament and he's playing to the country club crowd. he's playing to the corporate crowd in many ways. a lot of his ads are cross cultural multi-million dollars ad that people don't receive. they don't like to be duped or surprised, and here they are looking at tiger now. this charade and this whole image it's a fraud, and i think
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that's why there's such a reaction from some of these companies in the sense we don't like this, we don't like to be mislead. >> is it like the french police officer who was shocked to learn there's gambling in rick's casino? most americans know what happens to sports figures on the road or have heard stories about the excesses of well-known sports figures on the road and what they have available to them. do you think they -- i mean, will sports figures in some ways be looked at now twice and three times before a brand decides to invest in them? >> this is absolutely the perfect storm. one of the most if not the most recognizable man in the history of the universe combined with the blogosphere internet access is purveyed worldwide in a matter of seconds. corporate america spends $12 billion on endorsements. because of all this the the contracts in the future will be shorter, smaller and easier to terminate. >> that's an interesting idea. i appreciate you being on.
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christine brennan, thanks as well. coming up next, serious news for parents, teens are less afraid of certain drugs than before. we'll tell you which drugs are on the rise and why. plus the italian prime minister still in the hospital after an attack. the latest on silvio berlusconi's condition ahead.
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a couple other important items to cover. erica hill as a 360 bulletin. >> more american teens are smoking pot. according to an annual survey of 14,000 students. the national debate over medical marijuana makes it seem safer to teens. fewer teens view prescription
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drugs and ectasy as dangerous. the u.s. supreme court will determine how much of your messages you can see. at issue whether he violated a privacy rights by looking at text messages. so the messaging were sexual explic explicit. overseas a blood attack. itannian prime minister silvio berlusconi remains hospitalized. he broke his nose and two teeth. a suspect in in custody. and yikes for this guy. a he deer in colorado springs. look. he got a little too close to the lights. >> oh. or he really likes christmas. >> i think he does. he has the spirit with him at all times. he's been spotted in the area for two weeks now. some residents actually tried to corner it so they could help get the lights off. no luck there. the division of wildlife says as long as the lights are not covering the deer's mouth or feet, they will leave him alone noting that his antlers should
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fall off in the winter. >> he might be a deer that hates christmas and he's trying to destroy it. >> i hope he gets those lights off at some point. >> i think they're wound on there pretty tight. >> when he sheds his antlers. thank you charlie moore. >> as i just said. i'm glad you were listening. >> you said that? i'm sorry. >> we have charlie for backup. >> charlie loves it when we say his name on tv. >> for tonight's shot, showing some skills can the ukulele. this is a rendition of the song "i'm yours."
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♪ >> i love it. jason mraz who sings "i'm yours" called the it'll boy a genius. >> is he opening on tour? >> huow could would that be? >> he should. ♪ >> yeah. he's great. >> he's fantastic. >> up next breaking news in the health care battle. we don't know his name by he the way. late word that democrats struck another deal to hold onto the votes they desperately need, including senator joe lieberman's. we'll tell you what they gay up ahead. approximate and see what you find. aheav up aheae up ahead. meet the new class of world class.
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