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just a week ago, but now we got lots more to talk about. >> sex scandals. >> the scandal and many other things. got to let you go, dean. i'm sure we'll find the humor in some of that as well. "cnn newsroom" continues now with ted rowlands. >> thank you, suzanne. i'm ted rowlands in for brooke baldwin. the developments are pouring in regarding the investigations of a former spy chief and current general, happening very soon, some of the lawmakers furious over not being told about the investigation of david petraeus are getting ready to meet. that's this afternoon. a senior official is telling cnn details about general john allen's relationship with a socialite at the center of both investigations. this is a web of characters and connections that is impacting the team in charge of america's security. it is also delaying when the world will know who will be the next leader of nato. general john allen was to have a confirmation hearing this thursday on his way to becoming the supreme allied commander.
that, of course, is now on hold while allen denied doing anything wrong, he is under investigation for potentially inappropriate e-mails he sent to this woman, jill kelley, the tampa socialite triggered the petraeus investigation. we'll get to exactly how in just a moment. the defense department's inspector general is going through e-mails allen and kelley sent to each other. >> the primary thing is that, you know, she wants her privacy protected. and i think that she's going to probably come out at some point and make a statement. >> privacy, of course, for all players involved is just a pipe dream at this point. and just how are they connected? it started, of course, with the bombshell on friday, david petraeus resigned from the cia because of an affair with his biographer, and fellow west point grad, paula broadwell. the man who co-wrote the biography with broadwell said he was clueless that there was an affair going on. >> sure, both of them looked
back on what has now tran spired and realized they both made the biggest mistakes of their lives. and i assume both of them re great it tremendously. but i would bet both of them, you know, sort of come roaring back. >> the affair ended at some point, broadwell allegedly sent what a source describes as jealous e-mails to kelley. perhaps perceiving kelley as a competitor. now petraeus says he was never involved with kelley, however it was kelley's involvement with general john allen, the top military leader in afghanistan, that may cost another commander his reputation. we now know that the president knew of allen's troubles on friday, a short time ago the white house, press secretary, responded to the latest turn of events. >> he has faith in general allen, believes he's doing and has done an excellent job, at eye save and i would refer you
to the pentagon for the process under way with regards to general allen. >> all right. right now let's get to the heart of general allen's reported troubles, his relationship with jill kelley. cnn's nick payton walsh just spoke with a senior official who is close to general allen. nick, this official is certain he's claiming that there was no affair between kelley and the general. is that correct? >> reporter: absolutely. not even that there wasn't just an affair, there was not anything of romantic nature between them. absolutely clear his mind he views jill kelley as a bored socialite who many times knew lots of the commanders at centcom because of her role there as an honorary ambassador, organizing social events, but absolutely clear that the e-mail exchange between jill kelley and john allen were innocuous most of the time. at some point john allen may say
to her, thanks, sweetheart, that's purely in this source's opinion because he's from virginia and that's a colloquialism many people might use from that area and she may have said you looked good on television last night, but nothing of a flirtatious or serious nature alleged and this source unclear what exactly the inappropriate nature of these e-mails would have been, saying they were sent to both his personal and his business accounts and may have accounted to as many as 101, but he would reply to any e-mail he received, perhaps explaining the volume of traffic here, ted. >> one thing that you have been reporting after talking to your source is that it sounded like the general was actually in some way warning jill kelley about petraeus' mistress. >> reporter: this is what this senior official is also saying. this anonymous e-mails alleged to have been sent by paula broadwell from an e-mail account, one received by general john allen, warning him about jill kelley. he knew jill kelley, so he would
according to the senior official, he wrote to her and said, look, somebody is talking badly about you in e-mail, even threatening you. we don't know what happened there. that may have been what caused the fbi to be contacted by jill kelley. i'm purely speculating there. but that's where the fbi became involved and interested in the e-mail exchanges between jill kelley and general john allen. in his opinion, innocuous entirely, but that seems to be the spark that dragged him into this particular investigation. again, this senior official saying, no sexual relationship between these two people at all. >> all right. nick payton walsh for us, obviously this is having effects around the world, getting information, trickles of information pouring in from around the world. nick, appreciate your reporting, thank you. let's go down to the pentagon for more on general allen's communication with jill kelley. barbara starr is there. we're hearing about tens of thousands of documents handed over to investigators, just how
much contact really did kelley have with the top commander in afghanistan because the numbers sound just unbelievable, 10,000 documents. >> don't they? it sounds staggering. it might actually be up to 30,000 pages of documents that the fbi has turned over to the inspector general at the pentagon for this investigation. now, let me circle back. a short while ago, a pentagon official told reporters gathered them together and said indeed, general allen has adamantly denied he had an extramarital affair with jill kelley. but you have this 30,000 pages and the official said the investigation centers around whether there were some inappropriately flirtatious, his words, e-mails or communications between allen and kelley. so that's what's being looked at. it is important to note that the inspector general is not just conducting a review, it is an
investigatn. so, you know, this is something that they will take some time and look at. and what the impact of this is we don't fully know, but we do know that general allen's nomination to head nato to be the military chief of nato, he was 48 hours away from a confirmation hearing on capitol hill, now all of that is on hold. >> so what -- basically the fbi has this information, and they turn it over to the pentagon for an internal investigation. is there any indication how long that will last because, as you mentioned, this really does put the brakes on the confirmation -- the potential confirmation of general allen. >> it may well do that. that begins to affect nato and it begins to affect the united states' most important security and military alliance. so this begins to have real implications. how long will this investigation take? that's an unanswered question because once the inspector general gets involved in an investigation, it takes as long
as they decide it takes. and i don't mean that facetiously. these are investigators who will take their time and decide what they think about everything and decide whether they believe there is evidence there and cause and reason to take it to the next step, which would be any kind of potential legal action against general allen. no one is talking about that. innocent until proven otherwise, but there is a procedure and a chain of events now in play and it won't be ratcheted back anytime soon. >> where is he now? do you know? >> we're told he's here in washington and he had come here from afghanistan, for those confirmation hearings on thursday. it is now expected he will return to kabul, the president continues to express confidence in him as the commander of the war in afghanistan. but make no mistake, there are hearings under way for his replacement in afghanistan. another marine corps general.
as soon as that general is confirmed, it is expected he will then deploy to kabul, he will take command of the war, and then we'll really see what happens with general allen. it is becoming a very sensitive, i think would be the word, question around here, is this man's career over or can he still pass the senate confirmation hearing? >> all right, barbara starr at the pentagon. thank you, barbara. in regards to the petraeus part of this story, fbi agents did search the home of paula broadwell last night, nearly a dozen agents seen here carrying boxes out of her north carolina home. they were also seen taking photos inside her home, not sure exactly what they were looking for or what they found. the fbi saying only that the search was a matter of tying up loose ends. broadwell hasn't been seen at her home since the story broke about her affair with petraeus. still ahead, if petraeus had resigned for, let's say health reasons, would he still have to testify this week on the
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the deadly attacks on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, is a big issue for lawmakers on capitol hill this week. the house and senate intelligence committees planned separate hearings that will be closed to the public. one of those hearings scheduled to start next hour. lawmakers want answers about the september 11th attack that killed the u.s. ambassador and three other americans. republicans have been especially critical of the administration's response to the attack and the initial claims that the attack was a spontaneous protest sparked by a controversial online video that mocked islam.
cnn's dana bash is following the story for us on capitol hill. and, dana, i know one of the big topics has been the resignation of david petraeus, what he knows about the benghazi attack and whether or not he may testify at the hearings. i understand you may have new information for us, dana? >> reporter: the chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee, ted, her name is dianne feinstein, she told us just in the last hour that she does still want david petraeus to come and talk to members of the senate intelligence committee about what he learned on a recent trip to benghazi. she told me that that would be a very big stone left unturned if he doesn't come. and she said that she is going to discuss right behind these doors in the next couple of hours with the other members of the senate intelligence committee, calling him as soon as this friday morning, calling david petraeus as soon as this friday morning to discuss what he learned at -- during his trip to benghazi, all of the information that he has at his disposal about what happened and
didn't happen that led to that deadly attack. so that is a one development that has happened. the other thing is, i should just kind of paint you the picture of what is happening here, there is, as you can imagine, a new frenzy of activity with regard to david petraeus, with regard to general allen and all of this surrounding it. and a frenzy of meetings as well. and just moments ago i ran into the ranking republican of the intelligence committee, saxby chambliss, walking down this hallway to have a private meeting with the acting cia director michael morell, doing that with dianne feinstein. that's a meeting going on behind me and a couple of hours there will be a meeting of all senate intelligence members. and they're going to discuss everything they know about what is going on, not just with benghazi, but more importantly how they should deal with the fact that they are very angry that they were not informed prior about the investigation going on, specifically into the cia director david petraeus. and before i let you go, i want to give you a sense of the fact
that it is bipartisan that -- the desire for petraeus to come up here, even though he's no longer cia director. want to play for you what susan collins, who is the ranking member on the homeland security committee, what she said about that. >> there are so many unanswered questions at this point. i will say that i think it is absolutely imperative that general petraeus come and testify. he was cia director at the time of the attack. he visited libya after the attack. he has a great deal of information that we need in order to understand what went wrong. >> so, you know, we'll see by the end of the afternoon whether likely or not the intelligence committee is going to formally decide that david petraeus should come up here as soon as this friday and tell them what he knows about benghazi. boy if that does happen, to be a fly on the wall in that room.
never mind about benghazi, but just the vibe. >> what a scene it will be outside the room and inside the room as well. dana bash, thank you. we'll see you next hour. just ahead, three weeks later and thousands still in the cold and dark across the northeast. and new worries that millions of donated dollars aren't reaching sandy victims. so where is the money going? we'll look into it next. ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered,
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two weeks of cold days and even colder nights, thousands of people in new york city and long island are still without power after superstorm sandy. the long island power authority says it is expecting to get power back to most of its customers today, but folks are fed up and demanding answers. >> it is just dark and cold. that's pretty much -- that sizes it up. >> i don't think the management is unprepared for this. at the end of the day, this was just a monumental task. >> it is like going on and on and on. end it. >> you start to get aggravated.
we deserve better than this. >> a lot of frustration there. new york governor andrew cuomo is promising to hold the power companies accountable. >> i'm going to do a thorough review/investigation and a very serious one and they will be held accountable for past performance and then we also have to get smart about this and we have to make sure that we're prepared for when this happens again. because i believe this will happen again. >> the governor put an estimate on sandy's economic loss to the state at around $30 billion. a different story in new jersey, though. governor chris christie ending gas rationing across the state. he says nearly everyone has their power back and nearly all schools are reopening. life, he says, is returning to a new kind of normal. >> we're entering into a new rebuilding phase post hurricane
sandy. after two weeks in the recovery phase, we achieved a new normal for life in post hurricane sandy, new jersey. >> new york governor michael bloomberg says gas rationing will continue in new york city at least for now. as the victims of sandy count their personal losses, people across the country are pitching in, donating money to charities like the red cross. this week alone, the red cross donations hit $117 million for the entire relief fund. but, as the money rolls in, some folks are asking where is it going? cnn's susan candiotti reports. >> reporter: as the storm cleanup began, the man in charge of the besieged buorough of staten island said he had enough. >> all these people making big salaries should be out there on the front line. and i'm disappointed. my advice to the people is do not donate to the american red cross. >> reporter: his outrage lasted
only one day. he backed off his criticism, soon telling cnn that all was just fine. >> i spoke out, get angry. >> reporter: but his outburst, it turns out, wasn't the only assault on the red cross. a private charity that is considered the gold standard in american disaster relief. some old questions are being asked again about what happens to all the money donated to the red cross by generous americans. >> at end of the day, there really is very little oversight of this whole system. >> reporter: ben smileowitz heads "the disaster contactability project." salaries are very high and their tax filings prove it. its ceo receives over $500,000 annually and its top 11 executives get pay packages that begin at $275,000. >> you've got an organization that is in fund-raising mode, they're run by their pr
operation right now, they're putting on their best face, they don't want to invite scrutiny. >> teaming up with the american red cross. >> reporter: all those telethons on abc and on nbc have helped raise nearly $120 million in donations for sandy relief. and corporate commitments already pledged will elevate that total to nearly a quarter of a billion dollars according to smilowitz. money the red cross says will be spent on the ground. >> we understand that people get frustrated. we understand the criticisms. we know where they're coming from. but by and large what most people say to us is thank you. >> reporter: charity ratings organizations give the red cross high marks. on the ground, it's all about visibility. right here in the disaster zone there are questions as well about the red cross and its effectiveness. are there enough volunteers? did they send out enough food trucks? where can you find them? how can you find them? we found mixed reviews. this woman says the red cross
has been superb. >> they're out here every day. they're easy to find. you don't have to go looking and searching. you know they're here. >> reporter: for a church group organizer also helping victims, a different take. as you drive around, donating supplies, how much of a red cross presence have you seen? >> very little. i've been talking to a few of them and they're telling us that they're trying to get as many people out, but they're stretched very thin. >> reporter: the red cross is a huge institution. and its leaders say sandy will cost the organization $100 million by the time all the numbers are in. in its appeals for sandy, the red cross insists every penny goes directly to storm victims. yet on its website, the red cross says only that donations will go towards storms like sandy. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> thank you, susan. well, growing tension between the cia and the fbi, my next guest says the relationship
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moments ago, house minority leader nancy pelosi is responding to the scandal involving general david petraeus and national security came up. take a listen. >> i think there is some answers we have to have about notification to congress. i don't have any reason to think that there are any national security issues at stake in what has transpired. i think some dishonorable things were done and the honorable thing has to be to resign or not to go forward. i don't know -- see, that's what i said. we have to find out what -- who knew what when and why would congress not know. but, again, again, if it doesn't involve national security, the
notification requirement doesn't trigger. if it involves poor behavior, it would be nice to know before we saw it on tv. [ inaudible ] >> i guess what i'm describing for you is obviously you want to have some answers but you also want to put them on notice that you have the proper notification? >> well, i had notification if it involves national security, but as you know the acting director is talking to the leaders about what has transpired and how we go forward. i think it is really important to note that this was a personal indiscretion as far as we know. why somebody would be personally indiscreet is their own problem. why they would do it in e-mails is beyond my imagination, but in
any event, the honorable thing was done, the general has resigned. there are questions about timing of just -- as a tradition to notify congress before we see it on tv. if it involves national security, though, that's a different story. so far we do not believe that it involves national security. >> that tape just coming in to cnn from house minority leader nancy pelosi. well, it isn't supposed to work this way, but america's top two intelligence services, the fbi and the cia, sometimes don't care too much for each other. at least not historically. we bring this up because of the central role played by the fbi and the downfall of david petraeus until friday, of course, was the head of the cia. joining us now from new york, reporter and author tim winer of the new york times. he's written books about both the cia and the fbi. do you believe the rivalry between the fbi and cia played any sort of a role in the
petraeus downfall? >> well, cia does have a right to be furious and there is a scandal here but it is not about sex. adultery is not a federal crime. the scandal is that a single rogue fbi agent appears to have taken it upon himself to leak the raw reporting in this case to a member of congress. that's not how the game is played. that is a dirty business. >> you're talking about the agent that was contacted initially and wasn't part of the fbi investigation, but had some knowledge because he was the one that passed it on to his superiors, he then apparently went to someone who went to eric cantor, and that sort of started the ball rolling. that's not how this came out. is he really a major player in all of this? >> i think he should be and i think he will be. because that is dishonorable conduct. the fbi and the cia spent the second half of the 20th century at war with one another and
their feuding was one of the biggest causes that the 9/11 attacks succeeded. they didn't cooperate, didn't play nice, didn't share secrets. if this gins up another rivalry, it will be a real blow to the national security of the united states. >> a lot of people are asking why purportedly harassing e-mails send to a tampa bay socialite would warrant a federal investigation. do you think jill kelley, the recipient of the e-mails, may have let slip to the fbi that she was friendly with david petraeus and that's maybe why the fbi jumped all in? >> there is no crime here. the fbi found no crime in the correspondence, the scary e-mails she received. the only crime that may be here is the unauthorized disclosure of a very low level criminal investigation to a member of congress that catapulted it into a national cause celeb. >> let's talk about david petraeus.
you have written about him. are you surprised about his conduct and did his success on the battlefield dissuade certain people from asking tough questions as he was moving up the career ladder? >> well, the general has a great reputation that he has cultivated. and the bible says pride goeth before a fall. this is a very proud man. >> and he went down before letting this go any further. bottom line here, is this incident in your opinion likely to harden the long-standing rivalry between the two agencies, the fbi and the cia? >> if it evolves that the fbi behaved in a way that went beyond the bonds of the law and as a result took out a highly respected general and cia director, there will be reason for friction. and that is not good for our safety and security. >> but haven't we gotten -- haven't we gotten past that,
post 9/11? >> well, bob mueller, the head of the fbi worked very hard, but, you know, the cast of characters that the cia keeps changing, five directors in the last eight years, now they get a sixth, and the instability makes it very hard for cooperation to succeed as seamlessly as it should. >> we'll see how it all plays out. tim winer, thank you for your time and your insight. we appreciate it. one immediate task at hand for the president, filling up his next cabinet. up next, the short list of possible replacements for key cabinet positions including secretary of state. stay with us.
let the guessing games begin over who will replace hillary clinton who has long insisted she would not serve a second term as secretary of state. what is obvious is that whoever takes over her position is going to inherit a slew of international issues from syria to afghanistan to iran. cnn's jill dougherty is at the state department and, jill, i guess we're learning new information from democratic officials about the cabinet position. >> well, yeah, i mean, in a way it is new, ted, these officials are saying that there is support
for secretary rice that is susan rice, the u.n. ambassador for the united states, for taking the position had she leaves of hillary clinton as secretary of state. and that name, susan rice, has been bandied about for quite a long time, but now, you know, the drumbeat is increasing and secretary clinton, remember, has said she will leave at the end of the term, that would mean january, but she's also indicated that she might stick around until the president is able to replace her and that would mean, of course, that the president would have to nominate someone and that person would a have to get through the senate. that's where the plot thickens because susan rice, as we all know, is part of this unfolding saga about benghazi and the attack that killed the u.s. ambassador and other americans in libya. so she has been blamed a lot, of course, for coming out and saying that those attacks, that
attack was spurred by a video and then later on the administration said that it was terrorism. that could set her up for some really tough times in hearings up on capitol hill, in front of the senate. a lot of people or some people might not be happy about that, they might try to stop her. so this is, you know, again, it is speculation that happens in washington a lot. the other candidate, of course, would be senator john kerry. very likely candidate since he's involved very much in international affairs and yet susan rice seems to be -- that names seems to be rising to the top. >> as you mentioned, secretary's flexibility will allow the president to nominate nsomeone who may not get confirmed and go to plan b. the president just lost a safety director. he's going to lose secretary clinton. his afghan war general involved in a scandal. is this shaping the president's
foreign policy, without him directing it? are there real effects to all of this, do you think, worldwide? >> at this point, no, i don't think that. and one of the reasons is that the foreign policy really, a lot of it comes directly from the white house. there is a lot of control by this administration over what the direction is. after all, the president is one who is in charge and secretary clinton certainly has been very much a part of creating some of that, and carrying it out. but i think you have to say that at this point to say that when she leaves or somebody else comes in that the policy changes -- no, don't think that will happen. >> all right, jill dougherty, coming to us from washington. thank you, appreciate it, jill. happening right now, we're getting word the two snowboarders stranded on mount rainier in washington have been rescued. we're getting in live pictures. find out exactly what happened and how they were rescued. stay with us coming up.
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in the state of washington, a dramatic rescue going on at mount rainier where two snowboarders had to be rescued after being stranded for, i guess, since sunday. chad myers is here, he's been following this story. two young men who appeared to be doing okay, assuming they're among these folks coming down the hill here, so they're able to walk at least, but, boy, stranded for a couple of days. >> still to be checked out, conditions obviously always touch and go when you're on the
mountain for 48 hour and don't expect to be. they thought it would be a day hike up, a snowboard down and didn't take provisions to be there overnight. they were stuck at about 7500 feet very cold and they received 20 inches of snow just in one night alone. the researchers -- the people saying -- the people getting to these guys saying they were swimming through two to four feet of new snow to get to them. they were over half a mile from them yesterday, but couldn't get to them because the conditions got to be blizzard and whiteout again, that's how they knew where they were. okay, here is where we are. we have to turn back, but we know we're close and they did get to them today. that's according to cairo, our affiliate in seattle. >> good news they are coming down the mountain, going to take them a good two hours to get down the mountain and hiked up at the beginning. >> they did. >> so, all right. chad myers, thank you. good news. good news. mitt romney has been out of sight since the -- in the last week since the election, since losing the election, but his running mate paul ryan has
broken his silence. in an interview with our affiliate witi, ryan says he has no regrets with the campaign that he ran with governor romney. >> i'm grateful for the opportunity. it was an honor to serve with mitt romney on the ticket. it was a great experience we will cherish. we didn't win the election. didn't go our way. i congratulate the president. he won fair and square. now we got to find a way to make divided government work. >> coming up, a bizarre investigation playing out in belize. an american who pioneered the anti-virus software mcafee at the center of this investigation. he's in hiding and waiting. and wanted for questioning. up next, a reporter who just spoke with him, he'll tell us about that conversation and this story. it is developing. stay with us. [ man ] in hong kong, on my way to the board meeting...
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known names in anti-virus software, you probably used it on your computer. today its found and namesake john mcafee is being sought by authorities in central america. police in belize want to talk to mcafee about the killing of his neighbor, whose body was found sunday face up in a pool of blood. police are pursuing multiple leads and claim they want to talk to mcafee as part of their investigation. no one seems to know where he is. let's bring in joshua davis, contributing editor for wired magazine. just this morning, while on the run, mcafee called you and apparently he called you about five minutes ago. tell us what he's telling you about what's going on in belize. >> five minutes ago he called me, he said the police raided the house next door to where he was, he evaded them. he's now in a new location. i have yet to be able to independently verify this. but mcafee says he will not turn himself in. >> he's on the run.
and some of the photos we have seen of him, he's got kind of a rambo edge to him, going on down there. and he claims that he told you he apparently hid in -- under ground in the sand at one point when he saw authorities coming. tell us about that. >> at the -- his neighbor, gregory faull, was murdered on saturday night. on sunday, the police came to mcafee's property to question him. mcafee saw them coming, and he dug a hole in the sand and buried himself in the sand, he says. he put a cardboard box over his head so he could breathe. he said it was extremely uncomfortable but he believes the police will kill him if he turns himself in. >> a bizarre story. let's go back there. apparently mcafee has some dogs, neighbors didn't like the dogs, friday the dogs end up getting poisoned. some died, some just sick. and then, boom, the neighbor is dead. so, of course, authorities want to talk to him because there was
this ongoing fight about mcafee's dogs. what was his relationship with gregory faull, the shooting victim? what has he told you about gregory faull? >> he says that he's had very little contact with greg over the past three years. they have spoken maybe 50 words total. nonetheless there was antagonism there. mcafee admits that. he says that there is no question that faull had talked to him about the dogs and said that he didn't like the barking. mr. faull had filed a complaint with the local town counsel, with the mayor, saying he didn't like the noise that the dogs were making. the dogs were poisoned on friday night. they died very quickly. on saturday night, mr. faull was found -- sometime between saturday night and sunday morning mr. faull was killed. >> this morning columnist jeff wise talked to cnn's starting point. take a listen to this, if you will. >> i'll put it this way, listen. we're all innocent until proven guilty but the people in his
community were frightened of him. the last time i visited him, he welcomed me warmly into his home, invited me to spend the night at his house, stay for dinner but the hairs on the back of my neck were up. >> do you agree with that assessment? had he gone over the edge? >> i to agree he is a very eccentric multimillionaire. and i also felt fear at various times with him. i in fact had stayed at his property over the course of the six months i was reporting this. and there were occasions where i wondered if there was something bad that was going to happen. but i didn't necessarily know whether that was because what mcafee was saying was true, which is that the government was going to raid him and try to kill him, or whether mcafee himself might be the dangerous one. it's an open question. >> he's been paranoid about the government's involvement with this case, specifically, targeting him. he also said to you, apparently, that when he found out his
neighbor was dead, he thought maybe they were coming for me and accidentally killed the neighbor. but to be clear, he says he didn't kill his neighbor. >> he says he did not kill his neighbor. i asked him point blank. at the same time, his conflict with the government goes quite a ways back. in april, the government raided his property on the main land, the gang suppression unit stormed his compound, and charged him with running a methamphetamine lab in addition to illegal arms possession. and the charges were subsequently dropped, but ever since then mcafee thinks he's been harassed by the police. and i've directly confronted him on this and i said, maybe you're paranoid. he talks about the police hiding in bushes and stalking him. when i talked to the police in belize and say is this true, they say absolutely not and they laugh. they say this is ridiculous. >> all right, joshua davis, keep us informed if he calls back. the latest update just five minutes ago, he claims he is on
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this year, if you want to get a jump on the traditional after thanksgiving sales, you had better finish your turkey early. the big retailers are moving their black friday opening hours closer to thursday's thanksgiving dinner time. we told you about walmart's 8:00 thursday opening, 8:00 p.m. you can add toys "r" us to the list and target is not far behind with a 9:00 p.m. opening time on thanksgiving. alison kosik joins us from the new york stock exchange. alison, what is the reason for this? i know there is some talk that it is to combat the dominance of online shopping sites like amazon, but really on
thanksgiving. >> this is a combination of intense competition out there and consumer demand. people want this. retailers say this is exactly what they're giving, giving people what they want. the data supports that. the national retail federation says more than half of us, we started shopping for the holidays, so way long ago. more than 12% of us started way before in september, so no wonder black friday is getting earlier and earlier every year. stores are looking to tap into that by enticing shoppers with lots of exclusive deals. >> makes sense, a lot of people go to movies after thanksgiving deals, but not everybody is happy here. >> no, because opening early means the workers have to leave their thanksgiving table and go to work early and that sparked some employees to really vent online. there is a petition on change.org, one employee says give thanksgiving back to employees. target says it asked store managers to consider what employees prefer when they create their staffing schedules
for thanksgiving weekend, but also points out, listen, this is one of the busiest weekends of the year for the stores so it is all hands on deck if possible. and if you don't like this black friday creep going into friday, going into thursday, rather, the suggestion is, for many people, go ahead and stay home. don't shop and i'll bet you anything the stores will take notice and won't open on thursday next year. >> good point, alison kosik, thank you. top of the hour, i'm ted rowlands in for brooke baldwin. a close friend of general john allen says there was no affair between the top commander in afghanistan and tampa bay socialite jill kelley, who triggered the david petraeus scandal. we'll explain how in a moment. but, first, to general allen's relationship with kelley. cnn's nick payton walsh told me last hour and follow me here, the general may have been warning kelley about e-mails allegedly sent by petraeus'
former mistress. >> one was received by general john allen warning him about jill kelley. he knew jill kelley. he would according to the senior official, he wrote to her and said, look, somebody is talking badly about you in e-mail, even threatening you. >> it is not clear what happened after that, but we do know how general allen and retired general david petraeus' troubles are connected. it started with the bombshell friday, david petraeus resigned from his cia post because of an affair with his biographer and fellow west point grad paula broadwell. the man who co-wrote the biography says he was absolutely clueless that there was an affair. >> i'm sure both of them look back on what is now transpiring and realized they both made the biggest mistakes of their lives. and i assume both of them regret it tremendously. but i would bet both of them sort of come roaring back.
>> the affair ended at some point broadwell allegedly sent what a source describes as jealous e-mails to kelley, perhaps perceiving kelley as a competitor. now petraeus says he was never involved with her. however, it was kelley's involvement with general john allen, the top military leader in afghanistan, that may cost another commander his reputation. the department of defense is investigating allen for possibly sending inappropriate e-mails to kelley. the president knew of allen's troubles on friday, this afternoon his press secretary held a briefing. let's go live to white house correspondent jessica yellin who was at the briefing and has more on the response to the investigation. >> reporter: well, first of all, the president was told about general allen's situation in stages. first, on friday, he was notified that there could be a possible problem with his nomination because he's being
moved on or was being moved on to nato. and then he was told again on monday that this is being referred to the department of defense for further investigation. now, we're told by the white house that this -- the president is shocked by all of this news. but they wouldn't comment further on the president's reaction, referring details in this case to the pentagon, which is investigating the case. and suggesting that, you know, as to the particulars of when the president was notified if he's satisfied with the timing of the notification, if he's bothered by the behavior, in petraeus' case, admitted behavior, and general allen's purported behavior, they won't say anything beyond that this is particular to these two gentlemen and two respected military leaders and we shouldn't extrapolate beyond that to anything of a larger culture at the military. obviously, ted, this leaves a lot of questions at this point
unanswered. >> the president, as you said, learned of general allen's investigation friday. i'm going to play a part of an interview with former attorney general michael mukasey about the timing. take a listen to this. >> i think there was a protocol in place about what -- who could talk to the white house, the attorney general was definitely one of the two people who could under any circumstances and the deputy attorney general was another. the people at the white house, that they could talk to, were the white house counsel and the deputy white house counsel. you don't have to wait until an investigation is over and concluded before it has implications for national security, as this one did. to have a cia director under investigation and knowing about it is something that i think in and of itself would have made it necessary to notify the white house, ie the president. >> a lot of doubts, jessica, that the white house didn't know about this. how are they reacting to sort of people thinking that this doesn't pass the smell test. >> they simply say they were
notified last week, period. that's what their facts are, they say, and that's all they can comment on is the way they're characterizing it. i would add i asked if they're confident this did not have any implications for national security, the former attorney general said it could have. jay carney said, look, he has to refer even that question to the department of justice and the pentagon who are investigating this. so, again, they're not answering a lot of the questions out of here because they say the investigations, they're continuing, ted. >> what about mike morell, will he replace david petraeus as cia director or have you heard of any other names being thrown out there? >> right, all of this is folding into the cabinet reshuffling and the administration personnel game. right now, what i am told consistently is that current homeland security adviser john brennan for whom the president, of course, has enormous admiration and worked with -- from the very beginning of the administration, that essentially
if brennan wants the job, it could be brennan's job, but there is no clarity about whether or not brennan would want that job and that current acting director mike morell, who was elevated to that role, would be the second other likely replacement if adviser brennan did not want the job. so those are the two top candidates to replace petraeus at this point. >> okay. jessica yellin with the late es for us from the white house. let's swing to capitol hill now. representative peter king, chairs the house homeland security committee, first we have general david petraeus resigning as head of the cia and admitting to an affair. now an investigation into general john allen who had a lot of communication with the woman petraeus' mistress may have considered a rival, i guess. is there a discipline problem going on among the nation's top generals, sir? >> i think we have to look at the overall record. the american military has done a phenomenal job as to what
general petraeus did or general allen may have done and still no -- nothing definite on that. i think we have to look at -- against the context of the entire careers. we can go back into the bible, the days of king david, human nature is human nature. and we as a government are trying to keep it under control. but the american military is in a class by itself. every professional, i've known reporters, politicians who have been involved in different affairs this does not affect on the military other than certainly general petraeus and possibly, and i hesitate to say it, general allen. but i think we should not be in any way denigrating our military. they do an outstanding job and this is really the exception. >> nothing to extrapolate this out to anyone else. what do you make of the fact we had this socialite person in tampa, jill kelley, apparently rubbing elbows with the leaders of the u.s. military, apparently also runs in washington social circles. what is going on here? have you heard of this woman, jill kelley before?
have you ever met her? >> i met her at one or two events at the embassy over the years. and other than that, i really can't say. she is one of those people who is around apparently. she is -- she was involved with the military in tampa. that is really all i no he about her. i met her once, twice, and then at, again, social events and then until then and until now i had not heard anything about her at all. all of us are learning more about her now than we ever wanted to. >> does her access concern you? >> no, again, we don't know the facts. she is apparently she and her husband were involved in socializing or being -- social coordinators for the military, which in and of itself is an admirable task, but, again what went on, what didn't go on, we have to see. i don't want to be prejudging anyone here. and, again, you often find there are people, public citizens who want to assist the military.
if it goes beyond that, that's a different issue. i know of many people in new york who try to run social events in the military, try to open their doors to them. so it is something we should try tone coura to encourage. >> do you take the white house at its word that the president didn't know about general petraeus in the investigation until last week after the election. >> it is hard to believe. and if it is true, then someone dropped the ball here. to me, a person with a key role as general petraeus was, once they realized he was in the scope of the investigation, they have an obligation to tell the president because general petraeus was representing the president on so many key matters around the world, personal talks, negotiations with leaders around the world, and so being in such a sensitive position where he could have been compromised, no, the president should have been told. if he was told and did nothing about it, that reflects on him. if he wasn't told, then that reflects on the people who
should have told him, which i believe is the fbi, the attorney general. and certainly the white house staff, they were told about it, they certainly should have informed the president. until then we have to take the president at his word. >> the other side of that argument would be there are good reasons for the justice department as a law enforcement agency, to limit communication with the white house. and how does the attorney general decide between what to do, talking to the president or keeping the investigation pure? >> to me what is most important here is that the president's main job is commander in chief. if one of his top lieutenants, top of his people is subject to compromise, the president should know that. before we send somebody out on a mission, he this know whether or not that person is compromised. to me, that trumps all. that would not interfere with the investigation, but it would -- especially since general petraeus apparently was the target of the investigation, information came out about him, and to me the chance of something going wrong, with general petraeus or anyone in his position overseas being compromised is far greater a risk than an investigation of
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the senate intelligence committee will gather next hour for a closed hearing. they're looking into the september 11th attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, that killed the u.s. ambassador and three other americans. they're also very interested in what the now former cia director david petraeus can tell them about the attack. cnn's dana bash is on capitol hill. joining us now, dana, what is the latest on whether or not petraeus may testify in some
form before this committee? >> reporter: before i answer that, i want to show our viewers some pictures of what just happened, where i'm standing in this hallway, moments ago, that is the acting director of the cia, michael morell, just left after meeting as i mentioned to you last hour with the senate intelligence chairwoman dianne feinstein and the ranking republican saxby chambliss. he is making the rounds here on capitol hill today. we know he met with nancy pelosi, the house democratic leader earlier. we expect him to meet with the republican leader in the senate later. it is kind of the new guy for lack of a better way to say it coming and talking to people who, you know, obviously are very concerned about what is going on in the cia. to answer the question about david petraeus, you know, at the white house today, the white house spokesman jay carney said he believes that the committees here on capitol hill will get adequate information from mike morell about what happened in benghazi, but his fellow democrat who runs the intelligence committee, dianne feinstein, she told us that that's just not the case. she really wants david petraeus
to come and brief members of the intelligence committee and told me that she wants that to happen as soon as this friday. and what is going to go on behind me in the next hour is there is going to be a meeting of members of the intelligence committee on the senate side and they're going to discuss if that timing works and how else they need to go forward whether or not they're going to launch a full on investigation about why they didn't know, why they weren't briefed about this whole investigation into david petraeus before the end of it, before effectively just minutes after david petraeus himself resigned. >> this story clearly taking over capitol hill today. is this pretty much anything that people are talking about? is this it? >> pretty close. we do have very, very, very large economic issue going on and that's the fiscal cliff, which is going to happen in 49 days if congress doesn't act. you can bet there is a lot of discussion in the hallways about that as well.
there is no question that as dianne feinstein herself ted to me, the petraeus issue, this is a big issue on capitol hill. listen to nancy pelosi, the house democratic leader, talking about this a short while ago. >> we have to find out what -- who knew what when and why would congress not have known. but, again, again, if it doesn't involve national security, the notification requirement doesn't trigger. if it involves poor behavior, you know, would have been nice to know before we saw it on tv. >> boy, that could not have been dripping with any more sarcasm, right? nancy pelosi is not only the democratic leader, she was formerly the top democrat on the intelligence committee. she knows what he's talking about when it comes to those issues. >> well, thank you, dana. more and more coming out by the minute. as dana mentioned, the fiscal cliff, well, avoiding the fiscal cliff hinges on washington. and those lawmakers. but let's say lawmakers don't
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we talked a lot about the fiscal cliff. to a lot of people it is just a phrase. most people think it will get dealt with. let's move beyond the rhetoric and find out what it would actually cost you and i if it isn't dealt with. rick newman is the chief business correspondent for u.s. news and world report. he's also the author of rebounders, how winners pivot from success to -- from setback to success. rick, for the record now, the fiscal cliff, of course, is a huge package of spending cuts and tax hikes that will go into effect on january 1st, 41 days from now, if congress can't cut a deal to avoid them. so let's assume there is no deal in washington. end of the year comes, is everybody going to get hit by this, will everybody have to pay higher taxs? >> just about everybody. this is not as juicy a story as the petraeus affair we have been talking about, but it will have a lot more direct impact on
people if this actually happens. if this all goes into effect, we're talking about $600 billion or so worth of spending cuts and tax hikes. most of that is tax hikes, ted. about $500 billion worth of tax hikes. if you spread that out, that adds up to $3400 per household and i don't think too many families have set aside $3400 in case congress botches some policy argument that they haven't even been paying much attention to. so the impleks plications are potentially very serious. >> you break down the numbers going through the different tax brackets here. and pretty much everybody is going to get hit, whether you are at the lowest fifth or all the way up to the top 1%. it is not something that anybody can really avoid, but let's have a little faith here and assume that congress does reach some kind of a deal and they allow some of these tax hikes to take effect, who do you think will get hit in that scenario? >> well, if you break this down, there are at least nine
different taxes that are scheduled to change at the beginning of the year. in most cases go up. so the one everybody is talking about are the big changes in income tax rates that were cut in 2001 and 2003, those are getting the most attention. i think if congress puts off part of the deal, that's the part they'll put off because that will affect the most people and that's a lot of money. income tax rates would go up on everybody by somewhere between 3% and 5 percentage points. but there are some lesser increases that seem likely to happen. temporary tax cuts most of which were extended once to last through 2012. and those seem more likely to lapse. that means taxes will go up. it will be not as nearly as big a hit as other things. but for some taxpayers, it could be 300 bucks a year, 600 bucks a year and those tax cuts if they lapse, actually tended to benefit low eer earners more th higher earners.
those people could end up taking more of a hit. >> bottom line, what is your gut feeling here? do you think washington is going to step up to the plate, get together, figure this out, or do you think we're going to get at least some sort of tax hike that some people will be affected here? >> i think it is dangerous to take for granted that this will all just work out somehow. it seems possible they do not reach a deal before the end of the year so some of these things technically do go into effect. and then we wait for the next congress to get seated and then maybe there is some kind of deal that retroactively undoes that, but in the meanwhile, it could be very chaotic and at a minimum we'll see a jumpy stock market. that's going to affect businesses and consumers as well. >> absolutely. all right. rick newman, appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, ted. two top generals now the center of investigations over e-mails. the common thread, this florida woman jill kelley, a whole new chapter to this drama unfolding. but first, advice on making
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the scandal around david petraeus widens. it involves general john allen, the department of defense is investigating him for possibly sending inappropriate messages to this woman, jill kelley, a tampa bay socialite, who received e-mail threats allegedly from petraeus' former mistress, paula broadwell. her inquiry led to the fbi investigation of petraeus, who
resigned from his post on friday, a close ally of general allen told cnn the relationship between the general and kelley was not romantic, and he may have been actually warning kelley about petraeus' ex-mistress. >> one was received by general john allen warning him about jill kelley. he knew jill kelley, so he would according to the senior official, he wrote to her and said, look, somebody is talking badly about you in e-mail, even threatening you. >> p >> petraeus says he was never involved with kelley, whose brother spoke in her defense. >> i know whatever it was was probably a conspiracy at some point, which i think the news is has figured it out at this juncture. i mean, my sister really got -- from what i understand, i'm like everybody else, you know, my sister got an anonymous e-mail because of her stature and her position, she was scared.
she filed a complaint with the local authorities and that trickled down to everything that is going on right now. >> as the department of defense works on the allen case, the fbi searched the home of paula broadwell last night. nearly a dozen agents seen here carrying boxes out of her north carolina home they also were seen taking photos inside her home. not clear what they were looking for or what they found. the fbi saying only the search was a matter of, quote, tying up loose ends. broadwell hasn't been seen at her home since the story broke about her affair with petraeus. as developments trickle in over the david petraeus scandal about who knew what and when, i want you to listen to a former attorney general who served under george w. bush about the flow of information in these cases. michael mukasey spoke with piers morgan. take a listen. >> it has, as you've pointed out, elements of absurdity of it, elements that as we talked about before would be rejected
if they were proffered as part of a -- forget hollywood, a daytime television soap opera. those i think are secondary. those are things like how did the investigation get started and the shirtless fbi agent and all of that sort of thing. taking it, though, a step further, a question of whether the president was informed and if not, why not, those questions i think are fundamental. >> right. go back to when you were attorney general, would you have felt an obligation to inform the president or somebody senior at the white house if you got wind of this kind of scandal enveloping the boss of the cia? >> well, easy to say what i would have felt, i think there was a protocol in place about what -- who could talk to the white house, the attorney general was definitely one of the two people who could under any circumstances and the deputy attorney general was another. the people at the white house that they could talk to were the white house counsel and the
deputy white house counsel. you don't have to wait until an investigation is over and concluded before it has implications for national security, that is one did. to have a cia director under investigation and knowing about it is something that i think in and of itself would have made it necessary to notify the white house, ie the president. >> do you believe that nobody at the white house knew until a few days ago? >> one word answer to that? no. i don't. and part -- i'm sad to say that, because they have denied it. part of the reason i'm sad to say that has to do with other things that surround this, including principally benghazi. the fact is that the white house, for some time, was per veighing a story about benghazi that simile wasn't true. in part, they say, they relied on some things that general petraeus told them. it will be interesting to find out about that. i think general petraeus
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it is recorded in history books with the many accomplishments, men of power, scandalous accusations often centered around sex and the fall from grace. david petraeus is just the latest. but there is always that lingering question, especially in this age of nonstop news and sports, social media, why, why take the risk. take a look at this from martin savidge. >> politics and sex scandals are nothing new in the u.s. in fact, they date back to our country's beginning. >> of course, look, if we wanted to see what our founding fathers' behavior was like in philadelphia in 1776, may not
like all of the answers. >> more recently, president john f. kennedy's affairs were notorious. lyndon johnson was such a man with the ladies that he allegedly had a buzzer installed in his congressional office to alert him when lady bird johnson was on the way. journalists never reported on such things back in the day. but that eventually changed. so did technology. and recently it is the digital footprint of dalliances that have led to some spectacular falls. remember congressman anthony weiner? he tweeted a photo of his privates. the story broke, he denied it, claiming his twitter account had been hacked, eventually fessed up and resigned. >> i apologize first and foremost to my wife, and to my family. >> there was client number nine, aka eliot spitzer, the governor of new york, and former cnn anchor. when investigators followed his money, it revealed he spent thousands as a regular client of a call girl. he, too, stepped down. >> i've acted in a way that violates my obligations to my
family, and that violates my or any sense of right and wrong. >> and now comes general petraeus, done in by a simple click of the mouse. >> e-mail traffic is -- it is amazing that e-mail is still being used in such a careless and reckless fashion because it is just evidence against you. >> modern science can also play a role. remember president clinton and the dna on a blue dress belonging to a certain white house intern, monica lewinsky. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman, miss lewinsky. >> reporter: so if technology makes hiding an affair almost impossible, why do powerful people still think they can get away with it? >> it is about narcissism, and the will to power, and people that strive that mightily and start believing their own press, they start feeling omnipotent. >> reporter: but they aren't omnipote omnipotent. the general's fall from grace
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it's been two weeks since superstorm sandy hit the northeast. today, gas rationing came to an end in new jersey. and although some areas are seeing power restored, in many pockets of new york city, life is anything but normal. people fed up with the cold and the dark. >> it is just dark and cold. that's pretty much -- that sizes it up. >> i don't think the management is unprepared for this. at the end of the day, this was a monumental task. >> it is like going on and on and on, end it. >> you start to get aggravated.
we deserve better than this. >> cnn's victor blackwell is in bell harbor, new york, a long island neighborhood still in the dark. what are things looking like there today? >> there is a lot happening on this block, beach 130th in bell harbor. right over my shoulder there is a power crew from out of town who is here to work on the power lines on this block. we saw earlier today the gas company came in to cap the gas lines at each home. these homes are ready because of gas problems have burned to their foundation. at least a dozen homes on this block have been damaged. the water was keeping people inside. the fire forced them out. and many people who weren't home at the time had to get out of the house. one person who was not here, but learned his house was gone, was ron wall. he got a message from his neighborhood, just two words, it's gone. >> when you heard those two words, it's gone, what did you feel?
>> dread. this is my life savings. this is -- i'm worried. this is my retirement, my kids' college, this is -- it still is. i hope to collect. it is overwhelming. i still can't believe it. that a week ago this was -- two weeks ago this was a house. >> there is some work happening here. there is also work happening on the beach. the boardwalk was completely washed away along rockaway beach. and there are crews now -- the bulldozers were pulling the sand out of the streets and sifting machines are trying to put everything back together to try to bring the community back together. so a lot of work happening, but still much more work to do. ted? >> all right, a long way to go indeed. victor, thank you. mcafee, sound familiar? john mcafee, the computer anti-virus pioneer, is now wanted for questioning about the murder of his neighbor. standing by on the phone is the police chief in belize. but first --
the unemployment rate among veterans in -- from the wars of iraq and afghanistan is several points higher than the national average. we caught up with one female veteran in san diego who is putting her military training as a helicopter mechanic to use to help fight fires. >> i am currently in the fire fighting training with the california conservation corps. when you're holding this, just pull. >> close it. >> there is a lot of training. it is really good that they're doing this -- especially for veterans because it can be hard sometimes to find good jobs. played with the chainsaw. just kind of get associated a little more familiar with it. and then we practice laying hose from an engine which we hadn't done yet with actual water. >> that's what influences the wildland fires, right?
>> it is mostly veterans it really easy for us -- a lot of us to click and just work together so the team work thing fell into place really well. i was an aviation hydraulics mechanic. i was stationed at camp pendleton and we deployed to afghanistan in 2010. it was a really bloody summer while we were there. we lost a couple of pilots. i saw a lot of bodies coming back. >> i was in the u.s. navy for four years and my job title was quarter master. we helped out with amphibious operations. we had a lot of marines on our boats. >> the fire is going to be on the left side. >> i was so focused on navy at one point in time, i never imagined myself being a firefighter, i never imagined myself going through the training. it has been challenging for me but the challenge is more than welcomed. >> i'm hoping i get, you know, picked up with some kind of fire department or also training to get into some kind of police work, just experience and hopefully a job. >> being a veteran, it is a big thing to me. it means a lot because i have a lot of veterans in my family. when we have veterans day, it is
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mcafee is one of the best known names in anti-virus software. you're probably using it on your computer or may have in the past. today its founder and namesake john mcafee is being sought by authorities in central america. police in belize want to talk to him about the killing of his american neighbor whose body was found sunday, face up, in a pool of blood. nobody seems to know where mcafee is. joining me on the phone, rafael martinez with belize ministry of national security. mr. martinez, why first off do you want to talk to john mcafee? >> well, we want to speak with him because we want to assure the general public that he is not the suspect in the murder of
him, but rather he is a person of interest. he lives about 300 yards north in the northern area of san pedro, as is customary in these police operations, we look at associates, people that have been seen with him within 24 hours of his death, and people worked with him, these are the ones police are taking in for questioning at this time. having lived in proximity of mr. fall, and having previous discussions and so on, we believe mr. mcafee could help us in solving of this latest murder in san pedro. >> you would like to talk to him. mr. mcafee and mr. fall have a bit of a history. he had a couple of dogs, they were poisoned, a couple
neighbors didn't like the dogs, mcafee says he is innocent and if he turns himself in he is worried police there, you people, would kill him. what do you say to that? >> my goodness, well, as far as i'm concerned, he needs to come in and clear the air as far as the concern we are law abiding people here. we follow the law to the letter, and we believe at this point he has no fear of being killed by anybody because all we need from him is to talk with him, to clarify the situation, to set the -- allay the fears of everybody that he is indeed involved in the murder of his neighbor, so basically that's all we need, for him to come in as a person of interest to clear the air and let's solve this latest murder. >> all right. rafael martinez, thank you for joining us. i want to bring in joey jackson,
defense attorney. joey, it is an interesting case here. he's decided to hide, basically run from police, but these actions could make things much worse for john mcafee than turning himself in, could they not? >> they could, ted. as you know, often times when a person runs, when a person is no longer anywhere to be found it is used later as consciousness of guilt. if you didn't do anything, have nothing to fear, why run, why hide. it certainly could make matters worse. as you know, ted, he is claiming he fears the police based upon his history with them. they raided his home apparently last april, there were some guns taken from him at that time, there was discussion as to whether he was involved in the drug trade apparently or was producing or distributing a.m. fet a means. there's some concern whether or not the police will treat him fairly if he turns himself in. >> are there motivations for murder when you look at the facts of this?
>> it's interesting. i don't know whether, and i don't want to certainly question the motives of mr. martinez, the police chief, i don't know whether they're trying to make him feel comfortable so he would come in. what does a person of interest mean, if he came in to talk -- it is that he is wanted for murder. there's some history between him and his neighbor. there's the issue of the dogs, the complaint that his neighbor filed against him concerning some conduct between mcafee and himself, so certainly there was bad blood between them, would it rise to the level of murder, i think we're going to find out in short order. >> what do you know about belize. can he get a fair trial there? >> it depends who you ask. i am certain if you ask the police chief, he would say absolutely. there's a couple things people should know. number one, they have a pretty fair system, it would seem as relates the law. they have the right to counsel, they have the right against self-incrimination, the right to jury. in fact, jury is required in
capital cases, it pretty much mirrors the british system, somewhat an imprint of our own. there's talk about the corruption issue there, whether it is perceived, real, imagined. there's some discussion about that. as you know, ted, the american bar association also did a review of that system in belize in 2011 and let's say the report they produced, the aba, american bar association, was wanting in terms of the system and its fairness and equity in it in several respects. so would it be fair? it remains to be seen. he's on the run now, that we know. >> absolutely. joey jackson, thank you. up next. news on the condition of congressman jesse jackson junior. stay here. [ forsythe ] we don't just come up here for the view up in alaska.
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