live today at noon eastern investigator journalist and best-selling author annie jacobsen is a guest on booktv's "in depth." >> from the pentagon documents what is clear is that it's moving humans in the military environment towards being comfortable with this idea of merging man and machine. >> she is known for her writings on war, weapons, security and government secrets and will discuss her recent books. join our live conversation with annie jacobsen with your calls emails, tweets and facebook questions live today at noon eastern on booktv's "in depth" on c-span2.

>> lissa muscatine, co-owner of politics and prose, on november 9, you posted for the many politics and prose customers who expected and were looking forward to the election of hillary clinton -- >> why was that up on your blog post? >> brett and i do a weekly blog together every week, and we were hearing from a lot of customers. i was and who the. i was in new york, but we were hearing from a lot of customers, we were hearing from our staff. people were worried i would suggest about what the change would mean to a lot of what this bookstore stands for. it was really just intended to acknowledge that and to hear

what we were hearing come to hear an adult what we were hearing from customers come from others in our community. >> brad kram, what does this bookstore stands for? >> it stands for the things that mean independent bookstore stands for. they can be summed up as a kind of third place. that is, a place that people can come to in addition to home and office, a kind of refuge, a place where they can connect with other people as well as a place to shop and browse for books. >> do you have a political point of view in the store? >> we try not to exhibit one. we say that we are open to all different points of view. i mean, because we present ourselves as a kind of forum for the discussion of literature and ideas, we think it's best if we don't take a particular point of view. we do stand for certain principles though.

principles of inclusion, of diversity, of discussion and, of course, for first amendment freedoms. and those we will stand up for and take a stand for. >> so what would be the fear of donald trump's election for a bookstore in your view? >> on the issue of make such a direct correlation in needed it but i think been saying was certainly a campaign in which rhetoric had been used that was divisive, that was in fact, hateful, that scapegoated certain groups in our community and our entire american community, that had problems it seemed with the first amendment and with peoples rights to express themselves without fear of punishment or fear of being insulted or scapegoated. so those are in much in contrast to what a bookstore, an independent bookstore stands for.

as brad just that we believe any certain set of principles and values, to the extent that those were under assault or in any way threatened, we wanted to make sure that we were defending them and even asserting them. >> you have a personal connection to secretary clinton, correct? >> i do. i know her very well. she is somebody i admire and adore frankly. she was my boss for many years. i was her chief speechwriter for most of the white house views. i was her co-collaborator collaborator on her white house memoir, living history. i helped her with her 2008 2008 campaign and i had been involved unofficially or officially with her for many, many, many years. so that's my connection. >> so that's why you were in new york on election night. have you had reaction from your customers to the election and have they said anything to you as owners?

>> baggett said a lot. we heard a lot of appreciation expressed for our initial vestiges, our initial blogs, in which we tried, in ways we could come offer some comfort and solace and reassurance that we would be here, that we understood how many of our customers were feeling. and that we ar were beginning to try to figure out ways to address these sentiments. people were looking first for books, for ways of understanding what happened, how donald trump one. what these other voters who voted for him, what they were thinking. and, but at the same time they were looking for guidance, you know, advice on how now to sort of channel their feelings.

and their interest in so to becoming maybe more active, and that's what gave rise to these teachings with the good old. >> what are these teach and? >> just like as brad was saying we have a huge amount of vocalizing, our customers and a wired community. we just tried to really take measure of what we as an intimate bookstore could do. again, to defend finish at the principles we believe an independent bookstore stands for and the role that it plays in this community. it's a gathering spot. it's a place that people come for. it's a place that gives rise to hopefully energetic, robust and very respectful discussions. so we tried to think to ourselves what we do? lets not just get depressed and cynical and complacent. let's figure out what we can do to augment what we already do.

we both grew up and came of age in the 60s and early '70s, so teach-ins popped into my every thought that something we can do. do. the response has been frankly overwhelming. >> normally the events that we do, we do them every night and multiple ones on weekends can both inside the store and off-site locations. normally they are geared to specific books, authors that of the new book coming out. there eventually help to sell some books. one of the things different about these teach-ins is they are not geared to new books. we fed people, panelists who have never written a book. we got some panelists who have but maybe the books cannot sometime ago. that's not the point of these events. so they are different for us in that respect. >> you've held at teach-in already on immigration and your planning future once. you've held three, i apologize. >> the first we did was the

first week of january and it was kind of a miracle. we pulled it off that quickly to be honest. our staff did an amazing job. that was on civil liberties. the second one, that was genuinely acting. the second one was on inauguration afternoon at four pm also the day before the women's march and that whe one s on women's right. the most recent one was on immigration and with a number more planter where going to try to continue to do them as long as we feel it's necessary. there is an insatiable appetite it turns out in our community for very deep, meaningful discussions of these issues about her seminal, that are on the front burner right now where i live is changing. also for people to be educated as they can take action, how can i become engaged, how can i become engaged as a committee organization? and what can i do, what are the tools, the mechanisms? each of the teach-ins we try to end with ideas for people who

want to get involved, whatever the point of view may become how they might want to get involved and become more engaged as member of their own committee. >> how has the turnout in? >> very large. it's filled with the store, all three. >> we also with all due respect to c-span2 we had been live streaming them on facebook as well and that enormous followings live on facebook. and then we fed many people go to our facebook page and watch the link. we had to shut the doors for the one on women's rights. we literally could not fit another body in the store. >> rebecca, we're talking that movement in the collective sense and what this election is said about the movement as it were. i'm wondering, we talked about this but can you just be a little more granular about what a whim it's coming soon all think there should be of women's movement, but how that movement will take shape and what it will

look like at a slightly more granule level? >> yeah. i mean, i think that one of the challenges is going to be ahead of a women's movement and especially and intersectional and more unified once the witch i think we need and were in the process, things like this march. like the election itself i feel like especially at the end of the campaign was getting us towards that. one of the challenges that his face is there are so many fronts to look him so many directions to look at at once. the rollback every productive autonomy which is itself you have to look and 50 directions. you have to look at title x. the planned parenthood defunding, the repeal of aca and specifically the repeal of the contraceptive mandate. whethen you look at state laws, state legislators when they are passing new and ever more inventive kinds of bands. you have to look towards the supreme court nominations. that is such a multi-tentacled

threat. then you are looking at issues like immigration, deportations, criminal justice reform. all of these things are feminist issues. all of these things disproportional impact women and women of color specifically. and because of the assaults that we are about i fear we are really now in the midst of, i guess, experiencing, is going to be in all those directions. i think the granular response is, we have to do a little bit of everything but that the child for those of us are interested in our own direction is to try to keep communication lines open and messaging out there about how this is part of the women's movement. i'm probably not answering the question you want me to educate, which is what we do individually. >> i was asking you what a collective movement would look like. fatima talked about the need for

a broader, for the women but also a broader progressive movement to embrace these issues as well, which goes beyond a women's movement. because there's been so much discussion about the women's movement, i know you're answering it. >> i don't know what the method is except open lines of communication, not being afraid of the things like arguments. understanding that that's part of the communication, and keeping an eye, if we can begin to feel better about the feminist movement and understand that it is raucous and diverse, the challenge is for all of us will be working in all these different avenues to talk to each other, whether you're volunteering, whether it's your profession that is, whether you are working on legal address of this or whether you are offering

your time or donating money to be in communication and to stay curious about, and to listen to other people and seek out other people who are doing other things but possibly also with an eye toward getting as closer to gender equality and also, unfortunately, protecting what we have so far. we are also moving on all those fronts. it's going to find a way to match moving forward at the same time we are trying to stop ourselves from sliding back. i guess my only and is about trying to communicate not just telling people what we are doing but asking others what they're doing. and really all of us working to conceive on how these different things are fundamentally part of the united project. >> what is the p&p community? >> we've never actually done a formal breakdown of all our customers. i mean, we can generally tell, the majority of them live in northwest d.c.

even though we pull from maryland and virginia and from other parts of the district of columbia. they tend to skew older. they tend to be probably more democratic than republican, although we have a number of republican and conservative customers. so it's somewhat varied, but also i think largely of a certain mind. >> i would say that in addition to the washington community, we are probably now unfortunate with the demise of some bookstores can although there's some great new smaller bookstores that have opened recently, we are the main attraction in terms of size and programming just because of our history and what we been able to do over a 30 year history. but we are also really, really lucky in that we have something

of a national audience. so we will get members to join our store from other parts of the country. we will hear from people and other parts of the country. we have people visit from other parts of the country. so while we are first and foremost a local bricks and mortar community bookstore, we do feel that we have an audience that goes a little broader in the d.c. area. >> is is coordinated amongst independent bookstores? teach-ins seems to be happening across the country. >> there's no coordination but we are frequently in touch with colleagues at other stores. we're just, lissa and i come at a national conference of over 600 booksellers where this was very much the topic of conversation. that is, okay, what do we do now? how to respond to what we are hearing from our customers in the aftermath of the election? and there are a lot of varying responses. bookstores are not all responded

the same way. they are taking cues from their communities, and many bookstores are very different kinds of communities around the country. some more left-leaning, some more right-leaning, some a very mixed. but we do see other kinds of sort of teach-ins. maybe not even called that, but similar kind of forums going on. and other sorts of reactions. >> a customer walks in and says i want to understand donald trump better. what's one book you would recommend and one book you would recommend? >> they could read david kay johnson's book about donald trump, or the "washington post" reporters also did. mark fisher also did one about, trump revealed. if you want to understand the biography and these life patterns of donald trump. >> and then the other books that

are doing very well our books that are about segments of the population that voted for donald trump. probably the bestseller in that regard is jd vance, white trash by nancy isenberg. there's several. strangers in their own land. >> do you sell art of the deal here? could someone coming in by art of the deal? >> i think we have that one. they could buy it might not be prominently displayed. >> speaking of prominent displays, what's the thought process about your front window and some of the books you displayed out in the front window? >> our front window changes. we do it sort of seasonally. what you should hopefully notice

in our front window right now is a brand-new, giant window sized poster that says all are welcomed here we are very proud of that. our graphic design person on staff who is immensely talented did that for us. we really spent a lot of time with her step deciding what we wanted it to look like, and she gave us all bunch of choices, this graphic artist. >> it has the double helix. >> it's genetic, all are welcome. so we are proud of that. that just went up literally a few days ago. we also the big poster advertising our teach-ins which we really, really excited about. the books change quickly. >> we do have a display dedicated to our teach-ins that i books at the moment featuring civil liberties, women's rights and immigration. >> and climate change. some of the other issues that are just clearly on the docket

right now. >> we're taping this at the beginning of march. have your views changed since november 9? have the emotions subsided at all? >> well, i think the initial shock has abated some, but no. in general, i think many of the customers we hear from are still feeling very emotional about the outcome and are still searching for things to do, ways to channel their feelings and become more active. >> i would say that from november 92 now, for me what is increased steadily is my belief in the necessity of independent bookstores and what they do for their communities. the source of institutions, be it a bookstore or some similar entity, is absolutely essential. i feel the same way about

newspapers, the same way about our judiciary, the same way about a lot of the institutions or organizations that represent these fundamental democratic values that are sometimes difficult. free speech is difficult sometimes. we don't like it when the courts rule against something we care about, but these are institutions that are fundamental to us. not that we take them for granted, but right now i think i feel that a place like politics and prose, ended up in a bookstore and its role in a community and in defending his principles and reminded people and providing a place for discussion and a place for discourse, and a civil and respectful way, is more important than ever imagined it would be. >> of course booktv is out here frequently covering authors would also cover authors at six and a hike of historic synagogue, and at busboys & poets. what's your connection to those

institutions? >> at six and i we cosponsor many events with them. when there's an author, so popular that audiences likely to be too large for the store, we will correlate with sixth and i do the event over there. i think megyn kelly was one recently. lissa was there and introduced her. so those are cosponsored events. with busboys & poets, that's an arrangement that was started a couple of years ago where we took over the operation of the book sections in those restaurants, several, have a dozen busboys & poets in the d.c. area. and also we occasionally sponsor author talks and some of those restaurants. the guest each busboys and poets

as a separate room with the stage and a sound system that's very conducive for an author talk. >> the obama as were regular customers of yours, and i'm sure the claims were as well. what if president trump came in to buy some books? >> i wouldn't say they were regular customers. president obama was here a couple of times and michelle obama did come here for a signing, and the clintons popped in a few times. and president clinton did a few signs and we did an event off-site, a very large event for hillary clinton's last book. but look, i think we would welcome president donald trump. we've been hoping with vice president pence was living not too far away from the store here, before he moved into the vice presidents presidents, we

were hoping he would stop by. never did but never too late. >> i think would be great if donald trump came to indie bookstore. and ours -- any bookstore. that would be a good sign to me, of many things. >> if people want to be involved in the teach-ins, watch on facebook what's the best way to get this information? >> you can find on a website. as soon as we have a date we put it out there. you can sign up for our weekly e-mails which blast out to many, many people and we always announce them there. so those are probably the best ways, calling the store which are staffed will not be happy to be said because now they will be inundated with phone calls. but our website always has it at a weekly emails is the best way. if you sign up for the weekly e-mail it just comes right to you and you know you're going to hear about it very, very quickly. >> a lot of video streaming that p&p does even if booktv is not added, correct? >> director and by the way i

should say social media. >> lissa muscatine, bradley graham are the co-owners of politics and prose since 2011. thank you. >> thank you. >> tv is on twitter and facebook, and we want to hear from you. tweet us, twitter.com/booktv or post a comment on our facebook page, facebook.com slash booktv. this is booktv on c-span2. television for serious readers. here's a look at our primetime lineup.

>> that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. >> good afternoon. welcome to the heritage foundation and our douglas and sarah allison auditorium. for those joining us online we welcome them as well and those that will be joining us on a future location on c-span booktv. for those in-house i would ask