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end of the of war as if it was not exploited by the whites. >> but that was given over to the southern shiny and. now i have been told to wrap up. >> i will be signing books downstairs. >> host: thanks for joining a sigh of former congressman and tom davis. the book is "citizen newt" by craig shirley who did the
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reagan biography and this is as good as i see. it is an easy read it i enjoyed the book you learn all lot not just about newt gingrich but the tide of politics. >> so we still have the saying that the file cabinet with four doors the first through third were newt's it is in the fourth tour was his good idea is. >> that the party was moving out of ideas. especially introduced to the republican party like corruption that is a permanent part of the republican party also which
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was the day picture before that. also. >> you average kid widely on that. >> the contract with america was portrayed as principals. many ways the contract with the referendum with bill clinton. and in that context could be decisively. >> to dave delaware portray the substantive nuance reading to replace the people in power. >> that was not
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conventionally conservative. >> he called himself a conservative but not really. right team in 1974 advocating reagan challenge the incumbent president ford in the primaries. it is a visionary at the time. nk within the eyelash to defeat for it kids a city. the was already thinking about politics and revolutionary politics. and in the year of watergate after agnew resigned with the 45 house seats and governorships and everything
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up and down the voting booth. he came within 6,000 votes of defeating a long-term incumbent of a typical southern good old boy democrat in georgia. it was quite remarkable because he had more name recognition, a deeper roots in was a carpetbagger. enlistees -- and risk teaching with his roots is in georgia politics for pretty shallow. >> so parts of suburban the atlanta. >> also at the heart field airport so to consider that as his pitch urban white
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caller business interest. >> bed giorgio was essentially a one-party state never a republican governor or senator up to that time. >> they did in the north atlantic suburbs. >> very strong in the rural parts but with the closest political ally of tip o'neill. he played his cards well the constituent service was very good. he was there as long as he wanted to be there. >> there is good new nomination?. >> and it was the token opposition.
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>> how do they come to win the seat? is to have a good established name recognition. but he loses by 6,000 votes. two years later the popular former governor of georgia is the democratic nominee and then through the of finish line. and then to fight that uphill battle as well. and then loses by a 6,000 votes so this has to be
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maddening and then the popular georgia governor. and finally gets a clean shot knowing that it would be problematic. and then with a popular state senator but is somewhat of a republican but not overwhelming. when and about 15 in bathhouse. >> he had to close race is.
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he had run a post in many elections begged gingrich was the first serious challenge she ever had. >> talk to me about his strategy i was surprised he had a black newspaper and the endorsements come by groups that would later so talk about his coalition and. >> he was a democrat but jim crow. for instance to later becomes ambassador to the u.s. and. if you remember the saying of the delegation? said he
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would not sit down and at the same table to have breakfast with very young. meanwhile have the support of half the of the daily world which is half of the black owned newspaper would sit with them and campaigned in the black districts and in the black churches. with widespread support among the black community. so very much welcome did to the black community and was happy to campaign it it. >> he did not get the right to working person and. with the way that they specify the way they wanted. >> so that coalition is that elected them changed.
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>> is a precursor to the reagan coalition in with that human endorsement that with the households that reagan had in 1980 and '84 he was a precursor. he didn't get the african-american community support that nuking rich got with the 1980 campaign. >> so he comes to washington and those groups were not necessarily republican groups. talk about what he did to keep these groups if line. >> it was an interesting coalition there was no conservative organization it
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was a vibrant as the party the way it is today. and as say letterhead organization. you have to build your own organization. and then with that coalition that environmentalist was the important part teaching at west georgia. some legislation hearings and meetings keeping the door open. >> according to the predecessor was probably pretty well come. >> including a martin luther king statute in a was one of
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the first ones to call for the al k. holiday. their rated administration was slow to go along with that. long a lot of the wrestler to go with the idea. >> but even jack kemp applied at that point. >> he also introduced a bill and people looking at newt gingrich today with that freshman legislator at the time. >> so he reached a point no
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doubt started off as a rockefeller republican in supported him for president in 1968. but most see that as good intentions but it does the work practically in the governmental sense. he was always anti-establishment go. >> he stood up against the apartheid government voting for the 85 civil-rights act got a lot of grief in georgia there was a pretty white district and to accuse naboth jimmy swaggart's max -- masthead this is the newt
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gingrich that i think of the image to dave w. would recognize. >> actually i do the nikki would say yes i did those things why wouldn't i? of course i would vote in the civil-rights act with nicaragua. >> this book has a lot of history going back to the tide of what politics was like this year when donald trump that with the russians negative you pointed out a number of the democrats. >> also the nicaraguan communist government did with reagan's foreign policy that was the violation of
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the logan act. soviet food -- newt the bridge comes to the house it was called redneck at the back of the house where the fresh prince of the republicans that. >> stalactites the spotted him as the future speaker?. >> i think a few people saw in him the potential for leadership but washington was different in those days much more get along go along. there is more appreciation for revolutionaries in the anti-establishment even after watergate. >> host: democrats talk about polarization and washington and of course, it is much much worse than it ever was. >> that is not the republicans' fault.
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the place is starting with newt gingrich. >> but discuss that a little bit. >> if you go back in the thirties through '60s a lot of conservative democrats said they could compromise more easily as they are all conservative for mostly conservative. >> but what happens they operated in a state of equilibrium if the democrats nominated a liberal and to
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be produced by convention. >> nixon the moderate can indeed up moderate takes lbj. >> both party started in the equilibrium. as the nominee of the republican party. has the of running mate to unify the party to win the election against lbj. but goldwater rejects that theory.
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from buffalo york. so over the years and then to the democratic party. so over the years the conservative democrat joins the republican party. did it begins to process. >> and to drive that establishment democrats. in to say but then that starts of process continuing up until today.
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there are few liberal republicans. >> so that started. >> so those conservatives are democrats. they are animated by populist issues added to have that liberal populist. >> the to bring that into the republican party as does reagan. initially how does the of leadership?. >> but in the of bush white
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house to do everything he can. as a moderate establishment. and the bush white house is apoplectic because and very much his own man. >> fried chicken and vs believe video explain that. >> that a gingrich was not from georgia but quickly assimilated. to see how easily he moves with the ' church of their. but i think culture trumps
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everything. over the fire that you live-in. >> sold the unrated is reelected. >> he had no coattails. and then starts to establish himself as a force in the house like jack kemp and weber the rubble in anti-establishment conservative republicans republicans, they're tired of it had been in the minority since of '50s. and then reminded of that committee chairmanships.
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in the house post office they cannot get the amendments in order. it is all about keeping power. >> with his first opening talk about that. oh longtime democrat with kickbacks from the staff with a certain pay scale then to give back cash from their own pay. this became public and newt gingrich started to go after him with his ethics even before he takes office jiri 79. he achieves a national platform because he established himself as an
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interesting candidate. because obviously somebody will watch as a troublemaker. >> with the other media following. and then moves on. with freddie st. germain. in with the house banking committee. with the banks they were supposed to regulate.
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bin with the drumbeat that forces him out of office. >> and upsetting the institution. it is not go along to get along. and is upsetting everybody. and then the bears have. so now touche draws support with the republican congress and the media coverage of the wall street journal or new york times or abc or cbs. >> so in a debate? the
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command of the subject was so confident or just to have a gift to the respect. >> yes from the time he was for gross from the time he was a kid to persuaded the mayor of harrisburg when he was ted virazole -- 10 years old. in and thwart a speech and talking every day. and you really home those skills. >> so have that opportunity.
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>> this is the era before cable television. it was just little pockets of cable here and there. there was no talk radio to speak of. and c-span. is to realize the potency and giving a five minute speech and carried into 100,000 homes around the country. thinking ridgewood's say to give a speech to 100,000 people? that that is we were doing with a c-span.
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so quickly it becomes a colt and he is getting 700 letters a week. a member of georgia. >> talk about the abolition of the fairness doctrine. and to stay ahead of the curve. in those are the future is. and a understanding the way things were going. and i cannot keep up with
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that. >> and with dave maurer global perspective. and was able to take that until was too late. >> and to have a very deep appreciation. >> at the end of the revolution the founders wrote a letter to thomas paine the revolution is over but the war goes on to said that the government must always be challenged to know
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exactly what it meant. >> but then the biggest fish of all. talk about speaker jim wright with of vindictive speaker. >> he knew how to use power and to challenge the president himself. ronald reagan nor ali would not express too much concern for that political opponent that collagen right to a storm trooper. but he was up to a lot of no
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good with a shady or real deals with the royalty of a book that know they wanted or purchased. >> in to buy thousands of copies. in this is what open up that gave the ted to go with using those investigations with those other shading the - - a thing is. and it was over a period of months. >> he did not have a gavel or investigative staff per girl who.
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>> and those that our political -- bitter political enemies. >> but after months of this shady deals and book deals even those ethics committee. at the time he said his resignation was broadcast live. and this is big madison. of course, he was honest but
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with the unrelenting pursuit so he becomes speaker and literally hundreds of complaints filed. and it was silly. with the fund-raising appeal and henry kissinger on congressional stationery. and said he would meet with the high dollar rollers down there as of violation of the house ethics rules. so he ended up paying a fine but that was the only thing.
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>> and clearly the point man. >> so how difficult was it to have the others go along?. >> and that they're all too scared. >> and known to be a vindictive individual? as the more facts came out and like everything from washington. >> so bush come san and the ability to raise taxes. >> because that signature issue was read my lips no
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new taxes. and he did not give most republicans to go along. but then the boat went down in defeat read my lips. no new taxes. and those like ed rollins and your trent lott or jack kemp and others and then more sources of revenue. and then goes jogging.
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but then a reporter asks in the press corps was there. and then said read my hips making a mockery of him. >> what perspective?. >>. >> so the book is "citizen newt" but that is the best biography i have seen written about him it is historical with the context. so to see that dick cheney is appointed and then and
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then day tried to make that leadership. >> and then to go against john tower's nomination. but a gingrich would have stayed with the conference. that the tower is voted down. and so what went on with john tower. and that is what day didn't think about before.
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budget to be very popular. >> so they will undermine the taxes. set to become speaker in 1994 would they treat those political conditions?. >> so like all historical figures it is persistence. and then to see a little bit of luck? and a belief in his own ability. and with the bush white house. especially when newt gingrich set of bobby george bush's with the buck will be the republican party is with the bauhaus.
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but john sununu who was the chief of staff and that made it even worse. and that was so badly that they were going to capitol hill that new enemies were created. >> a very selective school of the south. and with that policy in the kong go. >> one of the few books he did not publish a i guess. [laughter]
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>> so to look down on him as a pseudo intellectual. >> i'm sure there was some sort of that. is with that oxford debating society. to be in nicaragua. and then after they debate. >> and how smart he was. not part of that intellectual groups speak so they did everything they could to not condemn.
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>> to carry on that conversation better than anybody but also a talk about the lentic -- a bid to braves so at the end of the day politics and to look ahead at the republican party today newt gingrich saw a could become a congressional delegation. >> he was the first want to nationalize the to make a referendum of the party. and bill clinton's presidency.
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and with those 10 specific issues if the 104th congress goes beyond that with the term limit with the committee chairmanships. >> and my son had a contract with america. >> it was a tough race. and they were signing the contract with america. >> but it was so disruptive pro in the democrats' fault it was going after changing
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this. so the party today post donald trump is this still reagan's party?. >> those issues that they were ever at the four. than that casualty right now. so they say that doesn't matter. but since the beginning of time. and those things that you regret with the depth of those is always a matter of concern.
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>> then also the tax increases. and then that vote that helped them to lose the house. but then he takes the sideline?. >> so with both parties who will look out for the budget or payroll? and with the people. and you did balance the budget. >> sitting with clinton and who understood and also made payments.
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that is exactly right. so one day you wake up it is big enough to take care of themselves. so talk about that coalition. and olympia snowe was a conservative man supported him. and jim leach was another moderate from iowa and had the support of all the conservatives but that was transactional. >> virtually all the
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conservatives. but of those tactics were sick to be kicked around. so there this rhetoric that was the live. >> handed to be confrontational. and with that relentlessness to surrender. >> and that was part of the equation. you then into the bush cabinet of the secretary of agriculture. he could select a whip but
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people don't understand talk about this is 1990. different races but tough for different reasons. with the house banking committee over this -- the scandal emerged with a lot of numbers bouncing checks and to reimburse the house bank or delayed reimbursement. virtually everybody was involved. and those that would bounce 275 checks.
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and then the of the populist anti-establishment also with anti-bush but he lost his nomination in 1998 almost the election. >> the 1982 the georgia legislature could not wait. >> about $0.84 of the district was now when somebody else's district. with its 60%. >> i don't think any of his current district they just move to the suburbs.
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>> your point is well taken and. said to be that they love it -- legislature. and to have financial resources. it is a very very tough campaign and they gave him a scare. although newt gingrich was used to this it did take six weeks before they declared him the winner. >> and it was a disruptive time. >> but when clinton carries
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georgia. even though almost loses the of primary. and then the republicans pick up seats. but you are bleaching those districts around it and threw the republicans string of increases. with the first few months of trump and receive the difficulties they had. >> but he never won the future party of the vote.
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but ross perot took a lot of votes. >> 19% and pollsters have told me that most of those were from bush or split proportionately between clinton also but it 43 percent of the vote. and not the majority of the vote. and those that feel loyal to clinton to win those so narrowly and republicans have to have enough votes which bob dole does skillfully and successfully.
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so this is for me in this coalition. one after another. and the book "citizen newt" by craig shirley is an excellent read with a lot of history with his persistence to move ahead with diversity and republicans smell something a little different been out of power for four years. >> i will tell you one story to challenge that democratic incumbent we could pick of 70 what is he talking about?
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so given the district the north was getting 29 percent. so we're lucky to get through this. >> but it goes back that he said he knew something was different. >> the republican party is unified. with the tax increase from the republican party pretty much unified around the issues and the democratdemocrat ic party is divided. but hillary care from spring of '93 really divided the
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american people. they saw as government interference because it looks like it will interfere with his or her patients. so unifies the republican party. so the clinton crime bill august in september of 1984 really prove to be the death knell because the democrats came up with the crime bill of the of backstop of the campaign cry was that number one issue and the republicans did a masterful
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job and would pass that as pork barrel. and from large alex theatre. >> and they were stuck with all sorts of pork nothing to do with actual crime prevention so republicans did a good way to recast as more wasteful spending so they were defending a bill. >>. >> at to a pay back seat. so this jesse eviscerated the chance so there is nothing to campaign on a or a signature issue.
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>> they are running commercials with those democratic challengers. >> so my own race which ended up the endorsing me. with probably the worst congress in history. >> but up to that point could not get their act together. >> plus with the scandals taking in the background. >> is a perfect storm that is coming they have a contract so they can get the crime bill passed they look like the keystone kops. the white house is stumbling and they cannot get anything done right.
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. the saving grace for the white house democratic congressmen nobody was at fault this time. the incompetence of washington and congress and the general rejection of all the stumbling and bumbling and increases as you pointed out. >> host: chapters are insightful and the thought that went into them at the time how did that unify the party,
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something that has been hard to replicate and more importantly when they won the house instead of the house coming in an houseg to different factions? >> the party has been unified only two or three times in our lifetime in a meaningful sort of way, but it represents 96 to 96o take votes away from bob dole. there are very few times even today, especially today you can't argue that the republican party is unified. but he was able to do it. it really brought the party together for the first time in history
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>> host: a biography of newt leading up. there's plenty to write but i didn't know about here. congratulations and thank you for watching. congressman tom davis on the life and political career of newt gingrich.
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