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and the american society for the last 70 years. it's under attack now. those attacking it aren't leaving the field. i don't think we should either. [applause] >> you can watch this and all other book tv programs from the past 20 years at booktv.org. type the author's name and the word book in the search bar at the top of the page. >> we're pleased now to be joined on our set by fox and friends co-host and author brian kilmeade. now brian kilmeade's book is "andrew jackson and the miracle of new orleans," i should say history book. is just coming out in paper book, the third history book. mr. kilmeade what was the war of 1812 about? why did we have that war?
>> brian: they were being disrespectedded in trade. e. thy were trying to say they were british subjects. it was disrespect because the writtish never got over it. they lost the revolutionary war, never felt they lost. they weren't adhering to the pirate agreement. they weren't getting out of middle america. they were radicalizing in their view stopping america from moving westward. mainly in the south there was a sense that we have to go and cite some reinvesting and get pride back. the war hawks took power, pushed madison from takingg on britain. the view was they're so busiest fighting napolean, they're not going to want a war with us. they'll realize what we want and have a quick end with to it. they were powerful on the ground and at sea they were willing to
sign other fighters and mercenaries, contracted it fight. and they say we're going to get the colonies back. you're not going to fight for your freedom and emancipation. >> host: so this war of 1812 ended in 1815? >> brian: yes, i don't want to be prumptious. but in school they said the battle didn't have to happen. however it was a substantial victory for america, let's leave it at that. i felt as though i'm intrigued by this war. i remember going to the white house and they say we're going to bring you to a place not many people go, and the archway at burn mark. this is where the british burned the white house to the ground. i our five'3" president is whiles away on his horse watching the white house burn to the ground,
the british have annihilated us, they're dominating us in the waters. they're terrorizing the eastern seaboard, and we can't catch up with the documents, mrp withit mrs. madison. it looks like america was flat on its back and going to be destroyed. i thought how did we do this? how did we end up to prevail? why did we have a momentum at the end? the more i learned, the more i researched, the more fascinated i got. >> host: often we go from the american revolution to the civil war when we talk about this and we skip right over this, the war of 1812 opened, off we go. >> brian: it's a huge mistake and i'm not sure why. maybe america wants to celebrate substantial victories first. maybe the opening question
should be why did we fight it? there was a lot of people who said we could avoid it. like the northeast, the hartford convention in connecticut they decided these states signed on. they were going to washington, to say we are leaving we're not into the war. the british sensed we were breaking in half the british were leaving the northern states alone. they were focusing on the south. so here we are washington's burned to thee, ground, the northern states aren't fighting, our only thought was canada, not a brilliant move, we thought we'd head the british off there. we had to do this on the fly. i think things were tough and in the end the series of wins that galvanized us on the ground. the series of naval victories, and the ultimately wins in new orleans i thought was great and when you start studying the background of jackson, the unlikely major general without any formal military training is able to put together a battle
plan on the fly in three and a half weeks, using a conglomerate of proof, he had 12000, he needed 5,000, where do you get it? they knew any minute napolean would invade, and there would be a final secretary victory in this war. i wanted to rebuild jackson's thoughts before that democrats (202)748-8000. republicans (202)748-8001. independents (202)748-8002. >> host: brian kilmeade what was andrew jackson doing prior. was he head of the army at this point. >> brian: he was a major general that wanted revenge on the british. there was a good reason why. the worth died in the revolutionary war. his mom died during the war. he and his brother were taking prisoner in
the revolutionary war. his brother died after his mom lobbied gnat prisoner chains to get them out at 14 and 15 years 4 old and he took a blow to the head from a soldier who accused a british officer who said clean my shoes, and the stubborn people said i'm not going to do that, i'm a prisoner of war, then down came the steward. his brother never fully recovered from the head blow. he ends up dying as soon as he gets to his house. one brother died of heat stroke in the war. the other dies after being a prisoner of war. the mom dies earning money to sustain young andy jackson he he's an orphan, and who does he blame? the british. not only raising him he bled red, white and blue,
because the country raised him but he wanted the revenge. he there the leadership ability. he took the militia, he grew them and trained them, and after stops and starts of being ignored madison said send in jackson. monroe became secretary of war backed jackson and jackson did his thing. >> host: this is your third history book and you take a little bitur of a twis. george washington, the secret six, the spy riping, rink, and now the war of 112. >> brian: you had ron churman, doris kerns good wn. i'm not in their league. i never read their books and thought i could do it better. i tried to do something and that is focus on an area that matters that i believe is not getting enough attention that maybe highlight people decide the things the
former president and founding fathers. so if you pick up this book you're going to learn more about andrew jackson. you pick up the tripoli pirates, you'll learn about william eaton, edward perennialal. and in the spy ring you earn many people,. james rivington the journalist who was a printer working for us. i believe this country as much as we love our founding fathers and they are so long as we have a perch. were built on the people in this room. so-called average everyday americans doing extraordinary things who are patriotic at the core. doesn't matter democrat or republican, patriotic. >> host: so the subtitle of your book is the battle that shaped america's destiny. the brilliance of the overshadowed the public -- time with the
blurring of memory the nation's recollection to the war would center on andrew jackson. >> brian: before the civil war it was the holiday second biggest holiday outside the fourth of july. the battle of new orleans. how did he beat the british who just defeated the french and took down napolean, and wellington invincible with the ones over. they were fighting it. the -- this group is going to churn up jackson's guys instead they got stopped and america said who is at stake? the british is going to stop america from growing past the mississippi. they started as a threat. not the eventually ally we would be. we would never be invaded again. the rest of the world would know america was not any experiment, america was for real. i'm paraphrasing what jefferson said, who was a retired president at the time.t
not a fan of jackson, he said this was a victory and it a message to the rest of the world america's not going anywhere. jackson saw we were right about nothing's stopping us now and you have to know we're playing ahead head. the midwest, jackson over saw in his days at president it wouldn't have happened without noalz. when he got under his skin, from doing the tour people would ask, you don't have to fight the war it was a big deal and when jackson was asked at the 25 mark they said what do you think did you have to fight this. he said if you think that packingham and his men, if they attack my army if you think we're going to sty and keep us from growing you don't understand history. they would have abra gated the treaty. they would have undone
the louisiana purchase which believe it or not we don't own it. se the rest of the world thought it was a sham. napolean had no right to sell it. even though america doubled in size, and hurt our economy temporary,h it was a good move, but they were going to undo it and take it back. >> guest: let's take some calls, becky calling in from winnsboro texas. you're on book tv. >> caller: thank you. i wanted to tell brian that i read all three of his book. my high school algebra teacher i wish someone would have written books like this when i was taking history. it's so relevant to what is going on today. my question is, what is the next project because i'm watching for it. i've loved all that he of these other books.
>> brian: thank you becky, you made my dad day. i am working on other projects. on october 20th, and 21st, i am talking ato norfolk virginia, and nashville, the next thing i'm working on that i will talk about i have another year and a half to get through is the alamo, and how texas got created when sam houston was mentored by andrew jackson, they knew he couldn't grab texas because another war. some of those things i tried to unwind and i'm finding it flat out fascinating so hopefully you'll like it. >> host: are you having i a co-author on that book? >> brian: no that will be just me. texas has been great so far. th they kept great records even back then. >> host: dug calling in from michigan..
>> caller: more of a comment than a question. i've been struck by how tough that sob jackson was. whether you like it or not he was a man of his times. he had nothing against u clarifiy, he didn't like indis too much but man was he tough, and he had both of those people fighting -- i hope you can hear me -- jackson -- he was shot, cut, he whipped a dude with his cane. that little rascal was tough as leather. >> host: let's get a response from by i brian on that. >> brian: he got shot in the shoulder he was second in a dual. he was the second got shot in the shoulder and still led his men to the battle of new orleans. not only we found out
too he was suffering from dysentery in that battle. he was 6'2", on a horse traveling on a horse, putting up with that illness in january, leading his people to war. he had all types of digestive problems his entire life, and had problems -- nobody could say the enemy of john quincy adams, and andrew jackson nobody would say he was a very he was not a very tough guy. >> host: dug raised a lot of good point. didn't care for native americans, didn't dislike clarify v slavery. >> brian: the ones who didn't bring up voting for trump. the
jackson fans get upset about trump. the fact that he had a plan that martin van buren implemented that ended in the trail of fear that is something >> host: a couple of things to bring up, the chalk taw inneddians fought with andrew jackson, and he did adopt an indian child that passed away at the age of 18. i think he was a man of his time but no one apologizes for slavery. in the paper back -- coming back on october 23 ferred. if you go to brinekilmeade.com you'll see it you're a dual threat if you're thinking about it. you can go to my website and say here's where we go. i say this is part of the reason that andrew jackson is controversial. because on the herm teenage he
had slaves and without them he wouldn't have been a profitable businessman, he was a man of his times that said slavery was okay. do i think he would have served the union, or a civil war? no. he had many battles with american indians in 1818, we know the battle with the creek indians, he was told by monroe go get em, and he did. a lot of them were battles at the time, who struck first, but that's part of the figures we look back in our past. georgia washington is a kind man but a slave owner thomas jefferson, andrew jackson they had slaves. so this is a something in our day and age you cannot get your head around. how could men so smart, so ahead of their times be so twisted to rationalize this behavior. i ,can't but i do know they desere
the statutes that you have. you should talk aboutut the whole m, and that's why andrew jackson was a controversial figure in his day. what i try to say in the paperback is take trump out of it. i'm going to put in ronald reagan, abraham lincoln, harry truman, i will tell you what they thought of him. they knew he had slaves, they knew about the battle with indians. -- did a bioon him. how do i stop the division of our country? well how did jackson handle south carolina? how did it feel getting his country for war. he went to the term teenage he wanted to feel jackson if these are great americans and i hope we agree these are great americans. they saw something great in americans.
>> host: elizabeth from colorado. >> caller: just want to say -- brian, do you talk much about the pirate in your book? >> brian: in the tripoli pirates, there's a key moment actually i talk about the pirates it was andrew jackson, he's a key movement. he was as you know face-to-face by the british, he knew the -- they were good guys, they looked like mobsters, he would go up and put when the we're going to plan a big invasion, we need you on our side. they they'll put you in the british navy and we'll pay you, fight with us. so he said i'll tell you what, i'll get back to you, and that was a governor who said i want to
fight with the americans. and jackson said i don't have to, i'm not going to deal with you guys. the more he talked to people on the ground after meeting with the -- he knew he needed them. the pirates were able to fight and the knowledge of the area to allow him to put together this formeddable army. -- provides a lot of the armory, and men. wre part of the conglomeration of people. chalk taw indians, men of color, and you have regular army, tennessee rifleman as well as kentucky rifleman, and pirates, i hope you like it. >> host: richard from north carolina, hi richard. >> caller: thank you for your work. i like your analysis on history. i'm interested in the
battle of harsh shoe bend. my understanding is that the cherokees aided jackson against thecretion and later on jackson . betrayed them in the trail of tears. if you would respond to that please. >> brian: i think that happened i am not an expert in the trail of tears. i didn't focus on his presidency. a lot of people feel he betrayed the american indians that were fighting for him, and ultimately expunging them from the area. the only thing people caution me on, in that day the number one issue was how does america continue to exexpand. people are plugging up borders, coming in illegally, as we were retractic people and the american indians were stopping expansion. so whoever was president is dealing with the american indian issue and this state said one of the top issues for lincoln. so, leave it up to the turn of the century but that is true. i have not ndbecome an american indian,
american expert, but that was part of the reason why in oklahoma for example, people that won't carry around -- 20. they don't want part of jacksonu because famously the trail of tears ended with whoever survived. with the american indian relocating in oklahoma. >> host: john in california. -- how did the war of 1812 end up ending eventually in new orleans?se >> brian: they signed it, and wthey signed a deal in -- and john quincy adams put this deal together. when word came back that the white house burned to the ground, what's the rush, the british were like hey, i like the way this is going. so they not knowing the battle
of the new orleans. we didn't have satellite television. the reports and the americans who were in this treaty conference. they thought they were going to lose this. the battle of new orleans the word comes back before theme treaty is signed. t becomes a national celebration. so jackson didn't buy it, so he thought they were going to come back again, through tennessee and take another shot at new orleans. so jackson kept everybody together, and just before a major battle was about to take place. word came out to the british, it's over, and they left. so it was the final battle, but the treaty and people did celebrate but the treata wasn't relaid back to us this that the peace was there. that's how it ended. the fighting didn't stop, the last major battle stopped in the battle of noarldz. e.
>> host: 1815, that happened. when did he become president? >> brian: he ran and lost. he got the popular vote. he ended up in a three-way race. and june quincy adams became the president. it's fascinating he showed up tea inaugural. he talked about america coming together but he kept his -- he said in four more years he came back, it wasn't close then. jackson was one of the t first o leave virginia, and leave washington, and campaign. he'd go out, they would be pictures of him in battle, and he's go out and speak to the people outside the so-called beltway where we are today, and he would show hise. place to the people. he ran for president three times, he won three times, and
with a deal behind him, behind closed doorsrs ends up taking te rug out from underneath him. but i think that you can learn like al gore did. when he austin lost the heart breaker by 500 votes, i think we can learn from what jackson and gore did. you fight, it's controversial, it's heart-wretching but important for established succession. and when nixon moved over with kennedy, despite the controversy with illinois. i thought he should learn a lesson from that day. >> host: andrew jackson and the miracle of new orleans. this is abrian kilmeade third history book. >> 20 years ago c-span launched book tv on c-span 2. since then we've covered author events and over 40 programs featuring u.s. presidents. in 1999 former president georgia bush read from
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