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featuring pulitzer prize winning journalist. all this and more on book tv on c-span 2 this weekend. television for serious readers. visit booktv.org for a completely television schedule, and follow us on facebook, instagram and twitter at book tv. for the behind the scenes pictures and videos. >> [applause] good evening. and welcome to the archbishop fulton sheen center for thought and culture. my name is kelly jurrard and i'm programming associate here at the center. i am particularly excited to be presenting this evening's event with juan williams as his work
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has been influencal in my life. as a student, his books changed my life by exposing me to the complete history of america's history of equality. mr. williams latest book "what the hell do you have to lose?" trump's war on civil rights is equally compelling. it reminds us in eyes on the prize. it reveals the daily threat under our current administration and voting educational, housing and employment and public accommodation policy that turned those threat into action. and lastly, it calls us all americans to be vigilant. juan williams currently service as a cohost of fox news channel and appears as a political analyst with fox nude sunday. williams yoind a network as the a contributor in 1997.
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in addition to his more than ten-year career as npr where he served as a correspondent and news alaska. he spent 23 years at the washington post. during his tenure there he covered all the major political campaigns as a national correspondent and a political columnist. you can read his column every monday on the hill website. he has also interviewed many presidents including barack obama, georgia bush, bill clinton. georgia webcast bush and ronald reagan. career in the spans back decades. a recipient of several awards for his writhing and investigative journalism, he has won an award for critical acclaim for numerous projects including a series of documentaries including politics the new black power, and phillip randolph for jobs and freedom. additionally he is the author of
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six books. he has also written numerous articles and contributed to many national magazines. without further ado, ladies and gentlemen mr. juan williams. [applause] kelly thank you semuch that was a wonderful introduction it's nice to know that the written word still has power and can affect people's lives. thank you for that very special introduction. and thrawng all for being here tonight, friday night this is my hometown. new york city. my mom a brought three kids from panama to brooklyn when i was 4 years old y grew up in brooklyn and i knew this neighborhood of lower manhattan because i think some of the biggest dollar
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basketball games i ever exceeded in were not in college orhigh school, but a caged basketball court on a street. thank you all and to the center for hosting this event tonight and to c-span for covering it. i want to give a shout out to josh who's here tonight, he is my writing assistant, researcher friend, and helped so much with this project. now normally i start speeches by trying to relate to my audience, telling a joke, but i don't think it's appropriate here, because to talk about president trump and race is no joke. i'll tell you the way i feel i never imagined having to write this book, certainly not ten years, ten years after america elected a black president. i felt we were headed in a much different trajectory award to
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race in our society. but there's no getting away from the reality that today the current president is dividing us by race, exciting white nationalists, and putting down blacks latinos and immigrants with foul language from the biggest bully pulpit in the world, the white house. it's as halloween approaches i am more scared of the fright provided by president trump than anything else. do you remember charles dickens description of life in the 18th century? after the french revolution? he wrote it was the best of times, it was the worst of times. in my lifetime, i think to myself this is a good description of life as a black man in america in 2018. why do i say that? because i stand before you i'm 64 years old, in my lifetime i have seen the first black segregate of state. i've seen the first black
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chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and the first black president of the usa. i've seen musicians from michael jackson to kendrick lumar rise to the top of popular culture. i've seen black athletes from shaq, even the controversial colin kapernick all over tv advertising products and actors like jennifer hudson and den vel washington win academy awards. i can keep going this way. it's an incredible record of achievement in my lifetime, more blacks and luteenose serve in the congress than ever before. black high school graduation rates at an all-time high and more african americans getting college degrees. it's all the best of times. then there's this. scratch the surface and you find something altogether different, a nation recoiling, just last
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year watching kkk and neo nazis march in public. appalls that black people have to remind everyone in the wake of deadly police shootings that black lives matter. so in 2018, today, 64% of americans tell nbc polling that racism is a major problem in american life. 77% of african americans tell polksters they have a negative view of race relations. that's a sharp rise. in 2014, only 44%, and that was previously the high, 44% said they had a negative view of race relations. so 44% in 201 to 77% today. why are people so troubled by race relations? at this moment? how did a country that made so much progress on race so recently fall so quill into such
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a deep hole of racial division and regret? all of you sitting in this room at the she know center i think you know the answer. is the rise of donald trump. he is the one who built his political career by trashing the first black president barack obama, even questioned whether obama was an american citizen. trump followed on the so-called birth movement by stating that his residential -- starting his presidential campaign i should say, by calling mexicankens criminals, and racists. he's attacked an american judge, born of mexican parents of being unable to deliver justice because of his heritage. the speaker of the house a fellow republican said that was an explicit example of racism. and it was trump of course who recommended that all muslims be temporary band from entering the country.
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i don't have to remind you, and it grieves to me to go through this litany, but he called nfl players sons of -- to protest police brutality. he said a black woman was acting like a dog. he responded to have racism in charlottesville that fine people were on both sides of this tragedy. this is what comes out of the president. i think that's why a fox poll found 58% of americans disapprove of trump's handling of race. a political poll done in august had a similar result, 55% said race relations are worse under president trump. and, here's the closer, a -- poll done this summer, said 49% of americans believe that trump is racist. yet trump with tone of mockery
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for black people asked his white supporters, and this was the title of my book, "what the hell do you have to lose?" by voting for him. he first used that phrase at a campaign rally before a nearly all white audience in mix he described brackets as people unable to have see they're own best interest, and by giving their votes to democrats they ended up with trash filled neighborhoods filled with crime, bad schools, and no jobs. now, it's obvious to me that this is a widely inaccurate portrait of how most black people live in america today. contrary to trump's dire assessment the reality is that most black people today are in the middle class. today, 40% of black american households earn between $30,000.100000. an additional 12%, so i'm adding
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40 plus 12-rbgs an additional 12% earned between 100-$200,000. so i'm talking about a majority of black americans being in the middle class or beyond. and what an amazing achievement this is. if you stop and think about it. we have gone to a point and i think it's one of the great achievements of the american civil rights movement, kelly mentioned i wrote "eyes on the prize." one of the great achievements of the civil rights movement is the a growth and stability of a black middle class in the united states today. black men and women have led some of america's most successful companies. mcdonalds, xerox, time warner, merrill lynch, this is astounding. just astounding. you stop and think about the presence of black billionaires in our society today. people like bob johnson, or
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oprah winfry, this is uncharted territory in terms of black economic growth in the united states. but trump only tweunts talk about pop black people and i think he wants to talk about poverty and 20% of black america is in fawrvet disproportionately young people oftentimes children from single-parent families, and that's what he wants to talk about but he doesn't talk about them in any kind of compassionate way. he talked about them being a threat to white people. he doesn't want to talk about latinos, and especially latino immigrants as people willing to do two and three jobs in order to try to move up and attain their american dream, he only wants to talk about luteenose and immigrants especially illegal immigrants as gang members, ms13 members, perp
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trait horisk crimes, murdering white people in specific seems to be his point of interest, and he has no interest in an accurate picture therefore of life in minority america. that's why you have to remember that when trump declared that black people have nothing to lose by slowing for him, he wasn't talking to a black audience. he was playing on working class white racial anxiety, and to my mind igniting fear about poor black people, just as he sparked fear of latinos and immigrants of color, all are a threat to move into a white neighborhood, to take a job, a threat to mug somebody, a threat to drive up taxes by adding to the burden of social welfare programs. for white audiences candidate trump made himself the hero standing in the breach holding back the barbarians, willing to speak the truth, and willing to say that he was going to stand
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with the forgotten man and not with these new comers. these insults fit with trump's campaign slogan by the way, make america great again. now there's a line that i think was an attempt to create white nostalgia for a 1950s so long hierarchy. white men at the top, women, people of color, all below. blacks and luteenose fit into trump's 1950s picture as happy go lucky foam folks. dancing content even if they lived in segregated neighborhoods. even if they sent their children to broken down schools. even if they had no voting rights or kept out of white's only unions and had absolutely no political pow er. that's why make america great again remains a slogan that is social dine minute in diverse america.
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it's celebrated by david duke, the kkk leader, and white supremacists and nationalnist. it's resentment towards this nation's racial progress over the last 70 years. so again, just to bring it home for all of you. . .
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. >> and at the white house having lunch you look across the table to say who's that black guy? i said that the president barack obama. different world? that's a different universe. all that change took place not
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just in my lifetime but in president trumps lifetime. so keep in mind he has a front row seat as a businessman and a tv personality and now as a politician to see the amazing progress we have made and sacrifice as they strive to achieve equality in the american dream. but yet he talks down the fact when he tells his white audience the blacks have nothing to lose by voting for him and the world according to trump success in america is added to the working man's white class burden that he calls the forgotten man. trump claims those over the age of 65 tell pollsters the country is changing too quickly increasing numbers of black and brown people are unsettling to them and not to mention the fastest growth
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from asian americans that is called the white identity politics his logic is based on historical distortions of america made only great by one group of people, the white prodigies now those good white people are burdened with the poor and uneducated and the criminals from the blacks and latinos. from the white supremacist remarks in charlottesville made a simpleminded question of the world that i live in, cable news on tv people hear the trump comment and then somebody says trump the racist? somebody says no. he says those things about everybody. the question comes up because it's not just somebody else but he also says lebron james
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is dumb in fact, he is so dumb someone he previously had called him dumb, don lemon look smart people coming from africa and the caribbean and latin america are people coming from t6 countries maxine waters extraordinarily low i sku one - - iq another one explaining american soldier that said congresswoman wilson was a wacky liar and of course, the nfl players not patriots not patriotic and esso bees who should be fired and latinos are all ms 13 or animals.
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to represent the idea that country is overrun by criminal immigrants indiscriminately through white sand by the way on this topic i could not help but notice that donald trump had something to say about africa this is the first time he had something to say about africa. what did he have to say? he said white south africans were having the property confiscated and they were being killed in record numbers by black south africans. by the way this is not true. it's fake news. but a claim from the right wing conspiracy theorist it fits with the claim that there is an ongoing war on white men in america. for all the latest tweets in what we get sucked into in the preoccupation cable news i find the whole conversation counterproductive because i
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think it shuts down people's interest in a real conversation about what is going on that i just feel uncomfortable calling anybody racist i don't want to be called a racist. i think it makes us all more overly sensitive on a sensitive topic of race. people who are tv producers find it productive because it's so explosive i have often joked in the past the cable news tv channel may be david duke on the side and luke on this side. it's not a productive conversation there is no real exchange of ideas or searching for truth it is the explosion of rage. i don't think that is a productive racial conversation so i don't want to have labeled interfere with our ability to talk to each other
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across the racial divide to see the common destiny as americans. the bigger debate is trumps impact on a nation growing more diverse by the day and trying to cope with the rise of 21st century style racism. this book was his war on civil rights is a flashing red light asking us to stop and see the very real threat that president trump poses to racial progress in nearly every area of american life from education to the justice system, fair election elections, elections that include protections for voting rights, even in terms of housin housing, he said what the hell do you have to lose? in my mind he was asking the audience to forget about doctor king and everyone to forget about white people or black people , men, women, people of all religion, catholics and jews
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who risk their lives in this country for racial progress in the civil rights movement. that part of american history seems lost on our president. and here i'm speaking to people who i think are very much aware of this so i appreciate you coming here tonight, but let me say from new york city a car loan - - a kid in harlem go south in the early sixties. does president trump know about bob moses that somebody gave their life not to making money but to go into mississippi to define a racist white power structure? he helped to register black people to vote at a time when the political establishment there was putting up every possible barrier to silence their political voice asking
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questions like how many jellybeans are in the jar how many bubbles in a bar of soap? it wasn't just answering impossible and stupid questions but the old system even used violence to intimidate black people to keep them out and away from the political structure. and by the way, there are so many ironies and twist and turns in the story that the reason the segregationists were so intent on keeping the black people away from political power because the whole structure of the south would lose its power it was built on free labor are what we call slave labor and a high percentage of people living there as former slaves were black and they did not want them post civil war in a segregationist area to break
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down because that was a direct threat to them. even today there are so many people in this country who want to minimize that history of free explicate of labor known as slave labor recently michelle obama spoke at the 2016 national convention she was criticized for pointing out as first lady of the united states she lived in the building, the white house built by slave labor. and here i am quoting they were well fed with decent lodging as if that excuse keeping people in chains taking apart families denying of economic opportunity before sending them away. that's incredible. the truth it is just the start
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of what black people have to lose in the white house that same denial of blatant racism with the efforts to suppress the black vote. here again i come to people who know something about new york and people who made a difference and came from new york. james cheney from mississippi. these three young men were shot and killed and buried at the start of the 1964 freedom summer killed by klansmen in the local police in mississippi to keep with the denial of harsh reality there is a recording of a white mississippi senator jim eastland telling president lyndon johnson of the triple mortars as a publicity stunt.
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it is just a northern troublemaker coming down to stir things up. now that horrific tale is part of the dramatic story of black people of bob moses, he is still alive, your son here in new york registering black people to understand they would not be simply subject to violence but also evicted from their homes, their mortgages undone by the white banks the businesses may be shut or burned down by violent people and an understanding there may be crosses burned on their lawn and night riders with guns firing at their homes. so remember, in this violent environment that the naacp leader shortly after in 1963
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was killed by a klansman. again, when trump says what you black people have to lose since all of the sacrifice that i laid out for you america has seen generations of black men record numbers and the first black president so how can you ask what do you have to lose if i come in and engage in divisive troublesome racial rhetoric? that's a lot to lose. and let me just add one more thought. what about education? blacks and latinos have a lot to lose when it comes to education there is 150 years of struggle before brown v-letter board of education decision to protect inferior segregated schools in this country the old confederate states of the south responded to the decision that was a
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term used to describe efforts to resist the brown decision. for example, 1000 members of the 101st airborne sent by the republican president eisenhower to protect nonblack children who wanted to attend central high school in little rock arkansas 1957. again on the education fron front, 1962, james meredith and air force veteran had to face down hundreds of white supremacist to enroll in a previously segregated university of mississippi the federal marshals protecting them with bricks from guns and toxic chemicals thrown at them. journalists covering the event was shot and killed from a bullet to the heart also a young white jukebox repairman shot in the four head as he was trying to escape the mayhem. i am always reminded when i think of that situation there
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was a navy veteran who wears at pearl harbor in hawaii when the japanese attacked and he later told reporters he had never seen violence of the kind that he saw that night in mississippi and nothing he sought pearl harbor was close to the devastation he saw an oxford. again, these sacrifices the push of a nation seems to me you have to understand there has been real and positive consequences. for example, meredith and the university of mississippi one man, federal troops, chaos and rioting gets into school and graduates is there a larger lesson? today, 13.4 percent of all this undergraduate population is black. what do you have to lose? how about this.
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i was at harvard earlier today giving a talk, 14.6 percent of harvard freshmen class last year were african-american. what the hell do you have to lose mister president? what do they have to lose with you in the white house? apparently we have people who could lose their memory of how far we have come. my point is to stress that real people northerners and southerners have lost their lives but again the growing political voice and the promise of equal rights for all is not the story that president trump relates to that to him is somewhere off to the side when it comes to american history.
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again, doesn't fit into his set of his alternative facts and raise has nothing to do with the attempts to have new laws to suppress voter fraud. a lot of minority voters might be impacted but no. it's about voter fraud because he still believes he should have won the popular vote in the 2016 election he lost the popular vote if you don't recall by 3 million but he says that can to be and says it was the fraudulent boast cast illegally that deny him the popular vote when. so what does he do when he comes into office? he creates a voter fraud commission led by the kansas secretary of state who promotes conspiracy theories like barack obama that the justice department can never prosecute blacks and then when
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the commission searches, they cannot find any evidence of voter fraud. no widespread voter fraud at least not 3 million votes. so they have to be disbanded so that doesn't stop recently in georgia and in other states with republican majority legislature legislatures. what you see is the attempt to close the polling places in the minority district you see constraints with regard to the hours for voting and people say you have to have good id to have a check in the bank or walk in the airport. so what's the big deal? hold on. nobody says you don't have to have id to register nobody
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says that. we're just saying there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud and these are doing nothing but disenfranchising people that i think president trump and many republicans would be democratic voters so it is political strategy at a tremendous cost to all of us in terms of the sheer promise and constitutional right that we have a right to vote in this country. to me, this is a tragedy. so when he asks what the hell do you have to lose? he is turning his back on the central accomplishment of the modern civil rights movement to show exactly what america has to lose if they vote for him. when you think about education
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or educational opportunities , i find it is so distressing i am a father or grandfather come only think of him and he opening doors for educational opportunity allowing people of color of any immigration status why are you doing that mister president? think of the shootings in florida to understand he uses that as a way to suggest we should have different disciplinary efforts even arming school guards to add to the high rate of suspensions and dropouts among minority kids in this country. why are you doing that mister president?
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not to be afraid of those kids but rather as see them as part of america's future. now the infamous meeting a few weeks after he became president he brought black college presidents to the oval office and promised to increase federal support for historically black colleges and universities. by the way, this was a real contrast because a lot of the hbc you presidents were not happy with what president obama had done for them. they thought he should have been more invested so now here comes president trump to show up obama by delivering and he gets them there on the thought we are here for some kind of windfall. they get a picture in the oval office with president trump with kelly conway with her legs up on the couch but it is
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fake news again. his budget so far has failed to give additional funding to black colleges and universities. no delivery on the promise. in fact, he is shrinking the budget for the education department and making disadvantaged students the target of his administration to blame them for political correctness at colleges and universities speaking at the voice arguing diversity efforts have led them to be overtaken by leftist the attacks of affirmative-action because of disadvantages to asian-american students but i think it is pretty clear he has all of affirmative-action but he doesn't want any special effort for those who have a history of disadvantage
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in american society. since i am in new york let me say you cannot get away from his history right here. there was a story about trump and his father in the money put into trumps hands possibly illegally avoiding taxes. but money in the tens of millions while trump often brags to say he may have given me a million but tens of millions were put into his hands but you should know that father trump himself became rich developing apartment buildings in new york and the outer boroughs at first and did not let the black people move into those properties. the man who once reported the
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marched with a kkk in queens then it was about catholics becoming too large of a group here in new york always answering to the threats of the white protestants that brought the kkk to new york city but for trump the real threat was the presence of flax in his apartment and saw that as straight as but fred trump paid no attention or compassion for the blatant injustice of segregated housing and the consequences for our own decisions in terms of race relations. even racially restrictive housing conditions all of that made for shoddy housing in
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ghettos making homeownership impossible for so many people again exacerbated economic difference in society trump does not seem to understand what his own father was up to during those very same years he was teaching the family business keeping certain people at a distance you should know there is a brilliant black economist named robert with - - weaver fighting for housing rights on an equal basis the first public housing project was built it was weaver even on a segregated basis later working on the supreme court cases called eagle in the united states with the secretary of
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urban development you so i'm telling you his story because it's such a contrast to fred trump. it has consequence just like fred trump but in a different direction. we lose out not only of the history that the consequences of racial segregation. and now i feel i can repeating myself but the trump family was sued successfully by the justice department for housing discrimination. and to have those black
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newspapers and civil rights groups but then to run the administration and when they initiated a policy and they can better promote housing with detroit to say that fighting over this may depreciation our property value. and to suggest to be hurt so president trump coming into office of the obama era initiative eliminating community block grants home investment partnership programs all of these designed to improve housing in
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previously neglected black and latino neighborhoods. there was a lot of talk about what happened? why do people vote for trump especially if they voted for obama michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania showing frustration with the political elite - - elite this describes that the country may be getting away from them. but trump has made this into and were the people coming into the country who don't share our values and sense of american dreams instead to close down the factories of
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course, then post 9/11 survivors. very real. but black people and latinos and asians we have these fears also. if you are reaching out to be across racial lines. guess what a lot of people feel inundated and at that political establishment to feel angry and alienated trump separates this anger along racial lines so it seems to be the case to have that hard-fought victories we need
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to know where to put our efforts because unfortunately when the president says what the hell do you have to lose? as if we are incapable of responding to the rhetoric. my answer is we have to lose far more than you will ever know donald trump you are out of touch and out of touch compassion and understanding and uplifting. . . . . all natis l faiths out of many one. i heard kelly talk about my first book eyes on the prize, and kelly should know one of the
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most frequently questions i get about that book, which by the way was published 30 years ago this year. that book's been in print for 30 years. one of the questions i get most often is one, where did you get the title of that book? and i say to people i can be a wise guy to people. i have a little better impulse control than somebody we know, and i say to myself, if you went to church once in a while you might have noticed in the hymnal, there's a hymn about keep your hand on the plow. keep working, keep going forward. and it's the basis for the song keep your eyes on the prize. and the telling verse there goes keep your eyes on the prize, hold on, holden. i know the one thing i did right was the day i started to fight, hold on. and what i'm saying to all of you at the sheen center tonight,
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is that you have to understand we are in an ongoing fight for equal rights for civil rights for justice, across racial lines for a diverse welcoming america in this era. that people who might look back and say oh, the civil rights movement is long done, those things are achieved, look at what is happened. look at the first black president, i think they're missing the idea this is an ongoing movement, and we are being challenged in a threatening and specific way at this moment as we move forward. do we in fact continue to grow on the achievements of the past, or do we allow ourselves to restrictive to become more racially divided, to be at each other's throats. to see each other as a threat to our success, families, thriving. to me that would be the greatest loss and mr. president that's what we have to lose with you in
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the white house. thank you very much. [applause] thank you. >> kelly told me i can take some questions from the audience for a few minutes. >> juan: i'm going to sit over here while i take your questions. >> guest: thanks so much juan that was fabulous. i'm curious when you were here last time with ed henry, an amazing night about jackie robinson, it occurred to me that with your contactics in washington how nice it would be if you and mr. henry might be able to have an audience with the president and ask you questions that you posed to him tonight to ask him a directly, do you think there's any chance in hell that you might have that
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happen. >> juan: i don't think he sees the preliminary advantage in the conversation. so much of any president's media time the people they choose to be nerved by and in front of is about building stituency and heading into political raise. at the moment with the mid terms approaching with all the drama we've seen in the last few days with judge kavanaugh, i don't think he is about trying to expand or repair damage done. i think he's about semanticking and exciting his political base. one of the things the kavanaugh nomination has done is drive up republican interest in the upcoming mid terms. so i think you can see the strategy,atitis stir anger. and more voters are more likely to get out there and vote. midterm elections turn out as key, and democrats have at least until this point have enjoyed a advantage of likely turn out,
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was something that was troubling trump. i don't think he wants to have a conversation about how can we give democrats, or especially minorities a greater sense of belonging and involvement and reason to go out and vote. >> guest: related question, other than edhenry at fox what kind of reactions have you gotten from yourcretion at fox about this book? >> juan: and i think people are pretty nice to me. i'm one of their colleagues, but the difficulty for me is in trying to raise awareness of this book, a lot of people in the fox audience don't want to have the conversation, so i'll be invited on shows because i'm their colleague, and they'll show the cover of the book but they don't want to ask questions about race relations. the whole idea makes certain segments especially people who are pro-trump very uncomfortable. they'd rather not deal with it. and they don't have to. but it's not a function of any
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bad treatment at the hands of my colleagues or friends. that's not the case at all. >> guest: thank you very much. >> juan: you're welcome. >> guest: want to thank you again for all of your work. i got extremely emotional towards the end of your -- when you talked about eyes on the prize because i grew up with that song in my head. the 1 thing i was reading this book two huge things came to mind the need to constantly tell the history over and over again, and the other thing you mentioned in the book about this gap we have now in our country where we're not talking to each other. and you know, i think that for me eyes on the prize was influential because growing up i think that the history that we did get about civil rights or anything that had to do with anyone of color in america was
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relegated to black history month, because it's never seen as all of our history. it's seen -- that's part of the division is that there's our history, and then there's your history, and we all suffer from that because we all don't know the history, so we keep repeating it. i promise you i'm getting to a question. so the question for me is that when you're putting this book together, did you think of how you would impact the people on the other side of the aisle who need to hear this, or how do you get through to people on the other side of the aisle when we're at a time when we're so divided, and we don't want to listen to each other, we want to listen to our point of view and can he know hearing that? >> juan: you're so right and again i work in american media, and today so much of american media is about affirming people's preexisting attitudes,
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political opinions, political allegiances so oftentimes people who might be watching msnbc don't even know fox exists or they don't want to watch. or people who watch fox don't listen to people on the liberal side. i call it brain-mapping because i run into people who want to tell me what i should be saying on tv. at some point i ask them whether they get their information from, and some people will say the "new york times," npr, bill mar, and i'll run into people who say oh, no, i read the "wall street journal" y listen to rush limbecause and watch fox news. i say i understand where your coming from. they're coming from different silows in terms of the american media landscape. this is one of the great dangers of our time. the common story, the common experience, of daily events, countrients is being lost as people choose their own news.
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i find this -- i've been on a book tour for "what the hell do you have to lose?," and last week i had the experience where people were coming over to me as i was traveling because i was not in position to watch the news or read it whether, and they would say to me did you hear what happened to president trump e-u-n, the world was laughing at him. conservatives would say what was that about someone laughing, why are these liberals picking on president trump, and i said they were talking about what happened at the un, and they had no idea what happened. people are in two different silows, and no shared experience. when you ask about repairing this breach, how do we talk to each other, or get people to talk to each other. one of the purposes of this book is not to call anybody out, it's not to embarrass people or make people uncomfortable. it's to say we have this
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tremendous history that is american history to your point. it is about who we are as an american people, and how we have dealt with what so many call america's original sin, sliervey and it's consequences, 20 years plus in 2018. and that we make progress, and that we are a country that believes -- i think this is something that makes us so special in all the world. people can come and their children, and their grandchildren can become steve jobz. they can become the people who found google. they can become the people who run our great institutions, they can become our great artist and great thinkers, and that's who we are. we are not people who would have men with automatic weapon scwns tiki torches standing outside of a synagogue in charlottesville forcing the congrugnts to exit through back doors, and have the
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president of the united states say they're fine people, on both sides. that's crazy. that's not who we are. so this book is a attempt to say to everyone, hey, tune into this history. that's why it tells the story about moses, and robert weaver. telling about phillip randolph breaking down segregation in the trade union. james baldwin a new yorker who was able to get the attention of the ken administration in the midst of civil rights era and influence their thinking. there's nobody like a james baldwin as a leading black intellectual, with access to top people in the trump administration. so it's a reminder of how we travel this road and the great success we've had, hoe it is american history. it's central to american history, and it's a reminder that we can, in our ongoing efforts make such history again.
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>> guest: thank you. >> guest: i just wanted to ask a question about it seems pretty pessimistic some of the things you're saying, and what your thoughts are for the future has to hold. i have a couple of kids who are in their 30s, both successful, college educated, and they seem so depressed, and down about america. that i feel bad and wonder what i should tell them. they've both become politically active recently, and i just wonder what the future holds and what you think the next five or ten years are going to bring to america. >> juan: well -- so, by the way, it worried v worries me that we are having these feelings of
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depression and heightened anxiety, and it's reflected in the poll numbers i was reciting to you on the racial issue, and how many americans think right now rice relations are in a trough. that we are in a bad place. and i'm reminded how many people have lost faith in major american institutions, the ratings of approval for the congress is 12%, it's unbelievable. and of course trust in everything from our banks, to wall street, to our major institutions to the church and on and on, very low at this moment, and now the supreme court in the after math of the kavanaugh episode i think trust in that court is going to decline. so you're right, but this book is not intended as a downer. i was hoping that people would read it and i'm still hoping that and i have every reason to hope they would be inspired of stories of courage and greater good of our country and helping us to grow as a an example of
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the power of diversity in american society. so when you ask me about what to say to your kids, it's much along the lines of what i say to my children, and our grandchildren, which is i think that there may be twist and turns on the road, but you look at the power of the fact that we are a growing population here in the united states. you look at the fact that we are growing in terms of not only minority presence, blacks are no longer the major minority group, latinos are no longer the energy minority group. you look at the increasing power of american women in our political life, in our economic and business community, and you can see that the demographics, the culture are changing, and in fact i believe maybe leading indicators of where our splicts are going. even if you have these moments like a spasm, where you think
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what happened? why are we on this awful road? you have to believe in the larger power of us as the american people despite the failings,nential or not of any one political leader. and my thinking is that maybe not -- i think we're going to see a greater divide after the midterms because odds are the democrats do capture the house. i don't think they get the senate but i could be wrong. it's going to lead to really a conflickeration, because thrair going to have subpoena power. they're going to be able to check president trump more grateful than he has been. question him about his activities, his statements, and of course we have the 2020 elections looming. so you're going to get the negative advertising and there attack ads and the attack rhetoric that's going to gear up to make every democrat into
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proimmigrant, no walls, procrime, socialist, all of that is opportunity pop out of the box. it's going to be high-level political attacks for the next two years. i can't say oh, please tell your kids everything is going to be fine and dandy in the short run. i think we're going to have a little bit of hell, but we have got to have a higher horizon because morning is coming, and i think that we're going to get through this, the question is what comes next, and that i can't predict. i don't know. but i do know as i was saying to kelly earlier. i think the demographics and the culture are pushing us forward and i think the sense of decency that we have as americans, i bet that's why your children have become more politically active, is that they see there is a threat and they want to have something to say about what we're becoming as americans.
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>> guest: thank you. >> guest: thank you for being here. i am quite perplexed by which voice or black identity has the ear of the presidency. i'm considering from martin to omarosa. i'm considering doing the death of arepeat the questiona franklin, she worked for me versus she is now going to give seeing the inauguration of presidenciies. so, and i keep saying it's not a trump thing, it's where we are. how did we get to black identity being in the white house, in the voice of omarosa, versus the voice of martin. i know that's insanely difficult
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question, but -- >> juan: but i think it's on target and this is something i addressed in the book. that if you look at the pres's top-level advisers there's a shocking absence of people of color. that if you look back historically, president eisenhower had a black man right there in the white house, e frederick muro, advising him in the midst of brown vrs board, little rock and all the rest. you look at president kennedy, johnson, cliff alexander, whose daughter michelle alexander wrote the book about the new jim crow. you look president reagan, president nixon, people like bob brown, right there. and of course you look at president clinton he had a record number of minorities in his cabinet and in the white house. these are voices of people who were black policymakers, plaque
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politicians, people who were black intulz who would come in, right? and then you look at the trump white house and you're struck that these folks are absent. it's like suddenly there was a black out or white out in this picture. what's going on? and then you mention omarosa. now, exactly what without being derisive, what policy experience, what intellectual credential, what political celsius did she bring to that picture? i think what she brought was absolutely loyalty to president trump, someone that he felt comfortable with, apparently. she said that a lot of us should bow down to trump. that's a quote, but then she turned on him, and i guess again, i think of her as a celebrity. i think she saw celebrity opportunity and dollars in condemning trump, and even talking about trump using the n word and the like.
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and it got her great attention. i don't know what's next there her, but my point is, i don't see black intel gentsia, black political actives, civil rights activist near this president. so i think its an intentional result of someone who doesn't want those voices. it's not like their absent. even if you were to say he wants black conservative voices i would say oh, so how come someone like colon powell says this man's dangerous? where is tom soul? where is someone like -- rice. i don't see those people in this orbit. don't see them at all, and i think it tells us all something's wrong.
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>> guest: i should say i think in general we as a society are experiencing a great deal of anxiety, and malaise with under this president. i have to think it's good for the psychiatric community. [laughter] i think they're doing well. and something that struck me, i have 3-23-year-olds, and i work with young people. i produce and direct theater with young people. i am very struck by their enthusiasm for social change. i'm very quieted by the millennials. i think they have a lot to bring to us, and that's where i find my hope. there's sometimes i feel absolute despair when barack obama was elected i was so thrilled. i thought our country was going in a good direction. when hillary clinton was running
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for office i was thrilled, and then very of course depressed. but i have hope. for our country because of the rule of law. and for the wonderful system of government that we have, i think that will stand us in time. and the millennials, i have faith in millennials, so thank you for your wonderful talk, and for your wonderful book. >> juan: you're very kind, thank you. and i think that lots of people are going through the experience you are, which is wow, what's going on in this country? you know, and sometimes people say things that i think are off-putting, this isn't my president, and what is america today, and all of this, but all of us are living as americans in this country. we have to believe in the tenons that have brought us this far. i think we have some historical
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trouble on our hands when you realize one of the most incredible statistics to me is that the majority of the u.s. senate that just confirmed kavanaugh, represents only 18% of the people in the country. to me this is craziness. this is like to me the craziness of the electoral college that has someone win the popular vote but lose the white house. to me, give the fact that people are moving to cities that people live in big cities on the coast or in the chicago, houston, the fact that people living in smaller parts of the country with less population have as much representation, in fact, disproportionately more, prudo you sees some really twisted results. because it's not representative government. and so i worry about this, and i think that again what it
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requires and i say this as we approach -- we're about a month out from the midterms it produces as requirement that we all become everyday. you can't sit on your hands complacency, o bemoaning the condition of the country is no longer acceptable. it's no longer acceptable to say i'm going to vote for some third-party candidate because i don't like either party. i think you can see the consequences of that kind of action. i have a friend in north carolina who told me i didn't vote for hillary or trump, i decided i would just cast a vote for the green party, i said what the? less than 1% difference and you threw your vote away? how can that be? it cost me a friend, but to me, this is a wake-up call for us all. you have to get involved. we had a question earlier, they said their children are going to get involved this time. i think that's great news, and i hope this book contributes to that sense of moment that this
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is a historic moment and we as the american people have to put our hands on the wheel. we have to pray, but we have to plow ahead. kelly i think i've worn them out. [laughter] thank you all for coming and thanks to the sheen center. [applause] >> here are some of the current best-selling non-fiction books. topping the list is ship of fools, tucker carlson thoughts of elitism in america. fold by david limbecause's jesus is risen. a look at early christianity. next is clinical psychologist jordan peterson's 12 rules for life, and in the deep state former republican congressmen
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jason explores federal bureaucracies. our look at some of the best-selling books according to the conservative book club continues with tim tebows shelf-help book this is the day. the russia hoax, gregg jarrett's argument with the as a result vuldity are of the russian investigation. the coddling of the american mind, jonathan hate and greg l thfs f's thoughts on societal trends which led to a weakening -- and wrapping up our look at some of the books by conservative fiction best-seller list is an kohler's resistance isue futile. some of these authors have or will be appears on book tv. after their programs have aired you can watch them on our website.
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booktv.org. >> and then we have an elite. an elite who thinks it should make all the decisions for us. thinks it should tell us hey, my weird goofy weather religion tells me you shouldn't have a straw. and now, in california, right, at least here i have the freedom to have a straw. in california i have to hit my glass like a sucker. [laughter] because somebody thinks he knows better than me. somebody thinks he can make better decision for me and i can't be trusted. i led 5,000men as an acting brugade commander. i can't be trusted if i want a straw. that's how what the elite does. do you have to be smart or a track record of success that says i am a person entitled to your respect? entitled to be honored? who is shown through performance and implements that i am better than other people and therefore
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should be shown respect. naaa. you become elite, by adopting the at teutdz of the elite. so you have your idiots like kristen jill brand. congratulations you are giving my idiot senators a run for the moon. but you also have in the elite somebody who just adopts their attitudes. so that goofy hipster guy with the knit beanie who is sitting in a starbucks and has a tattoo of chinese symbol that he think means luck and really means sucker. he's typing away on his ipad, and he's writing about socialism, he's elite too. because he chooses to be. an elite doesn't define itself anymore by actually being elite. by actually doing something. by earning respect. they think they just do it.
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they think it's a diz vine right. i have the right attitude. i believe there are 15 different genders. i believe that a slight increase in temperature that may or may not occur in 400 years is going to destroy humanity so it's important that you all bike to work from now on. if you adopt these attitudes you have joined the elite. but the thing that distinguishes them is how much contempt they have for you and me. i have to tell you this colin kapernik thing really -- it's a great illustration. remember, we're not supposed to microaggress people. we're not supposed to assume people's gender, or assume somebody may be slightly different than someone else because someone is slightly different than someone else. we're not supposed to assume anything, that's horribly offensive and if you're offensive you can't offend anybody anymore. well, i'm offended.
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i'm offended. i was in two wars. i'm offended. shouldn't you stop? shouldn't colin kapernik go i'm offending curt -- i should stop. of course not. because we have a dual track system of rules. and that's dangerous people. it's dangerous to our society because you can't have a free society where there are two sets of rules. >> you can watch this and all other book tv programs from the past 20 years at booktv.org. type the author's name and the word book in the search bar at the top of the page. >> up next on book tv's after words journalist beth macy reports on the opioid crisis in america. she's interviewed by democrat congressmen gerald connolly of virginia. after words is a weekly interview program with

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