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>> 45 years old. and we come to you live in person. during the coronavirus we are coming live from my home office. in atlanta georgia. and to do a whole series of educational programs and social justice and all through these virtual formats we feel very fortunate we have others
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that live all over the country. and we feel that is significant we continue to do the programming we already have scheduled. as we move through this historic time. meant to help us focus on the movement for black lives and if you want to contribute in 1960 through 2015 we have the editor here with a lifelong collaborator and having some technical difficulties we will get to some q&a. we will just enjoy some time
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with michael and get him on the line as well. the editor of multiple books so i just want to bring you one. and when he starts talking he will take up the screen. >> can you hear me okay? >> that is a chokehold for me for trying to find organically is much as we can living in
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atlanta for several years i love the city quite a bit. >> a person on the screen but under speaker versus gallery view and let's talk about the george floyd protest is timely
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to say the least. and doctor king during this period. this must be they yearly 1970s so maybe then we can go to those. now from pages 56 to 57 not the end of page 56 violences
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black children going to school for 12 years violences having black people and then to help urban people with the economy and i love this phrase socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. but only $77 per year but to spend $78 billion and with spiro agnew and the list goes on.
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so that we don't restricted and in a very broad term because obviously putting the book together you could not have known and we didn't know although since white supremacy and racial discrimination and then to say we need you to go resonate today i meant it and
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then that supremacy and with that individual in dignity or the job and education rooted deeply in the logic of market systems to the culturally defined with the different units of labor. and one of the last pieces he gave our nation that continued year after year and it is approaching spiritual death.
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and it is one of my favorites but. >> a story and like to answer questions like this now but what do you think about the george floyd protest going on now? >> i think he would have been delighted. at the violence and lawlessness because it detracted from the protest. black lives matter it mattered while he was alive and he was very admiring of that movement and he saw himself and then in
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a moment and it is a trifecta because we have the pandemic and police killings and here we are. and then to allow a moment and that would be some significant change. >> and the inherent work of
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everything. >> but then not to be opposed does that make sense to you? >> there were two views and one was a tactic and it was is a philosophy the former and not the latter and those who were engaged in self-defense back then including the naacp
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and the leader and north carolina and now we know , there is something at the time but now we know how many people really were armed during the civil rights movement of the sixties. and to have some experiences during the movement the south it was cultural and it was protective. and then to talk about and if
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there was a shoot out somewhere. and with the nonviolent movement and the strength. >> i don't want to put too much into it as a friend of mine but but in montgomery but was a pacifist. but then carried a gun? >> no. in the black panther guys on the west coast he came to visit and then to drive them
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around and decided he should back down. i don't know if his brother james found the gun but somewhere there was a gun. [laughter] . . . . i think it is
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opposed to the war in vietnam and that was the war that was happening then and as time went on, you realize he probably didn't qualify in the proper sense of the term. when he was called before the draft board and they called his
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name and the person said i know all about you and then he says you'll never get this it was some sort of punishment. [laughter] they classified him as mentally unfit to. morally unfit. >> host: said he didn't serve in the vietnam war or the military at all and the rest of his life [inaudible] maybe we can go back to the beginning of. let me state where we are right now and then i will go back to
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the beginning. >> i think that he would be appalled. the republican field had been filled before julian died, so we watched that and there were as you will recall many people 17 or 18 or so when they started and like most people, he didn't take him seriously and didn't think he was a serious option as the party's nominee. so from day number one he would have been appalled. when trump was first elected he
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said with wha what would he thid what would he say and i said at the beginning he would say don't agonize, organize. he would have been geared towards making sure he was a one term president, but i don't think any of us, well i can't speak for him or even the rest of us that i couldn't imagine that it would be this appalling. it's like he out does himself on a daily basis. and the speech he was giving for the last three or four years had
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in mind about the other party being shameless and they still are its true then and it's true now. in the back pocket of either party they should have independent politics and it would be a mistake to lose leverage. i found it really interesting when he initially ran for office he wasn't sure which party to register with.
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>> very early in his career with nixon's southern strategy, you saw where the party was going and how it wanted to get their. so there's never really been an option and he spoke about this he would have both parties vying for the vote and then more to show for it but that hasn't been the case in the last at least 50 years. >> host: you'll have to forgive me everybody for wearing at tonight. he had this two party system and
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folks could determine which party at least in the 60s or 70s that pam is talking about a. i know he agonized over that of course and in a speech he said there was rage following a shooting but nobody transferred that were transitioned or morphed into an organization that had policy goals so it
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seems to me that it was about moving the politics. can you comment on that? >> that is a big subject of debate. they discussed it endlessly as they do most things and there was a lot of discussion and argument because by some he had been co-opted not turning his back on the movement and what can you accomplish in elected politics so the decision was made obviously that it was a good idea and people ran his campaign and they were pretty strategic about how they ran and how they handled his campaign so
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the whole idea of running for office is that they were going to accomplish something and have an agenda. his first campaign was what is so they say the most workable way to get the votes and that is to knock on people's doors and introduced herself and find out what the people were thinking and what they were not a so that is what he did and that is how he approached the politics and the political office is full political career. >> host: it's interesting, the student nonviolent coordinating committee reported into the little bit that when running, as she said he would show up and people were tagging along with
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him [inaudible] if everything worked out okay they would have a barbecue and invite the neighbor and they would say what's wrong with politics involved would you like to see accomplished and they would take that and put it into a platform to so it was a neighborhood platform which was a beautiful way to run rather than to bring your platform to the neighborhood coming to meet the neighborhood and to develop their. so, let's go back to the beginning. could you discuss some of the family history and tie it to why he became a civil rights activist? you can talk us through maybe a little bit of his family history. >> before you start talking in between talking and listening if you could view to your
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microphone and when you're done speaking because they are getting a lot of feedback on the line. >> host: okay, sure. did you get my question? >> yes, yes. this family on both sides was educated in so education was a scene as the way to a future, the way to help and influence the race. his grandfather was a slave born in 1963 and a key along the way he was born in kentucky and that is where the college is. at some point he learned about it and always told the story of his grandfather's name was james, the original james bond,
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took his tuition and walked across kentucky to the college and the college with him and. it took him many years to graduate but when he did come he gave the valedictory address and went on to get a theology degr degree. so i always used to say that if you didn't have a doctorate that were considered undereducated. , so they were all educated on his father's side. his father himself a became graduated from college when he was like 16, got a doctorate at the university of chicago, became a noted educator and vintage research but is still
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considered groundbreaking on education. his name -close-brace education in alabama and his mother's side was almost as educated, and she herself was a graduate of [inaudible] who at the age of 52 got a degree in library science and then worked as a librarian until she was 92 and debated whether or not she would retire then and decided that she would. so, you know, it was a very distinguished family and his father became president at lincoln university, lincoln, princeton, his father was the first black president there because surely there were the white people that didn't school didn't think there were any blacks were good enough to
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preside over it even though it was an all-black student body. so you can imagine the politics of that. he wasn't a withering persona and is i know that there were difficulties. but everybody came from anyone who was anyone including albert einstein as you could imagine was invited to speak at the college campus at the united states and he wanted, he made a point of wanting to go and get go so she met him while. howard einstein said don't authorize anything that isn't already written out. he lived by this worked his whole life. it was a fabulously enriched
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environment and then the schools for segregated and a there were three kids and they sent all of them to private school and he went to com, as you mentioned, george school in pennsylvania and that was a quaker school where he was the only, there was one other black students who was the son of the cook at the school so he spoke very fondly of george school hallways and had many friends. buthat wasn't easy for him eithr and they're working is like the school told him not to wear anything that said george school into town because they didn't
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want the townspeople to know they had a black student. but it was a wonderful tradition for which he was always grateful and then of course moorhouse, you know what they say about them. you can tell in moorhouse man that you can't tell them much. [laughter] >> host: so the interest and nonviolence of george school in speaking truth to power these are basic quaker principles and informed him throughout the rest of his life [inaudible] >> guest: because his father left a big university and got a
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job as dean at atlanta university and that coincided with his graduation from high school, so the family moved to a and he's all a school they thought was moorhouse, which i think was spelled differently, he thought it was a wonderful looking campus and he wanted to go to school there so that's how he got there. and of course he could college when he was one semester short of graduation so you can imagine how they received that highly valued education and also his father insurer would consider himself a brace man so they were clearly supportive of the civil rights movement and they were not going to tell him you couldn't be a part of it. they were both so i'm sure
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applaud. >> host: i remember reading some concerns he had about going south in 1957 if memory serves me correctly. and a 14-year-old from chicago and mississippi and his mother [inaudible] and magazines and other national publications picked it up and he must have seen the photo in front of the story. he expressed and trepidation about going into town. he wrote something like that is whaif thatis what they did to e, what won't they do to meet him as he was concerned that comfortable at home as moorhouse and according to a passage, city lights books just this year he
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describes his first encounter and movement into the civil rights movement. i am on page two and it begins this way. these wer are his words. it begins for me as it did for many more february 41960. sitting in a café near my college campus in atlanta, a place students went between board instead of classes. a student named lonnie king who played an important one of his life at this point, approached me and held up the day's atlanta daily black newspaper. the headline read greensboro students set in for third day. the story told in detail how black college students from north carolina university greensboro had for the third day in a row entry department store
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and asked for service at the wyoming lunch counter in the described their determination and returning the following day and as many days as it took they were not served and lonnie king said have you seen this. yes, i have, i replied. what do you think about it? i think it's great. it ought to have been here. i'm sure it will happen here, i responded. someone here will do it. then to me as it came to others in the early days in 1960s, and invitation, a command. why don't we make it happen here. he and i and joe talked to students inviting them to discuss the greensboro event and had duplicated ihave it duplicaa the atlanta student movement had begun. so to the point la and didn't
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really have an organized student movement and this was the 1960s, five years after the montgomery bus boycott which is pretty telling especially in atlanta, but there he was right at the very beginning of the movement and he stayed with the movement until it collapsed. did he talk a lot or very much about being involved in the atlanta student movement clicks >> you've got to amuse yourself, i'm sorry. this is the downfall of having to me what and un- mute. we can't hear you yet. there you go. >> guest: as th >> guest: as the years went on and reunions were held, then of course you reminisce about all
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those days including the immediate preceding days to a s. naacp. at the café and they all. it wasn't funny at the time i think he was the first arrest it always fills you with a bit of trepidation. but sncc came right after that because it was easter weekend.
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>> host: can you talk about that in his work. she understood and that it was
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important that students have their own organization and not become a part of the likely organization. she was a bit subversive because she worked for doctor king and made it clear that they needed to students of their own and no top-down leadership so they really bears the markings of ella baker and its approach to everything. so it's at that meeting they were the temporary student
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nonviolent coordinating committee because nobody knew how this was going to play out. and julian became the communications director which meant that his primary responsibility was to get the word out to the rest of the world no events have occurred that he wasn't asked especially not true because that is not his job that he be back in atlanta and be communicating with the press and at the time several of
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them were quite allies in the fight and made a huge difference in terms of how information got out into the way people reacted to that information. the. they would identify with the local activists from another part of the country and they would write a story for the
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elected, can you walk us through that story? >> guest: yes, while after the election, sncc issued a statement. there was a protest in tuskegee alabama and a sncc person named sam young who was from tuskegee and had served in the navy where he had lost a kidney and because of his having only one technique he had to go to the bathroom more than often and use the bathroom at a white only bathroom at it devastation in tuskegee and the owner shot him in the back and killed him. there was already antiwar sentiment bubbling, and this is early, this is way before king gave his speech in new york.
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so they issued a statement that was pretty strong about how to the united states government did and traddidn't trade its class s very well here and then expect them to die on the battlefield and so that was the extreme that the legislatures used to devote love to see him so there is a picture of him sitting while everyone else is standing taking the oath. it's a very, very pathetic picture and so there was a special election and he won that and by this time he had sued and
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actually lost a the suit and the court of appeals. the attorney general under carter voted as a part of the two judge majority said three judges handled the two to one vote not to see him and the rights had been violated for the rights of his constituents and so it went to the supreme court. the. is that all you've got to.
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the. george smith was the speaker than they were on the floor and said mr. speaker [inaudible]
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the speaker ordered the doorkeeper to put the white section of the gallery and the second location was one day when i went with a [inaudible] he was julian's mentor. outside the door of the chamber a white fellow came out and said i don't know if he is a legislator or not but i am the meanest and meriwether county. he pulled back and just sort of brushed off his chest. the two incidents really put the fear of god in me. the members of the legislature have all the hangers on who were running around the whole, chewing tobacco and is putting it on the floor.
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i thought can i still think some of them are capable of murder and mayhem. i didn't know if they would be physically assaulted or what, but i was very glad i wasn't. so can you imagine running for an office in a place like that? apparently he was isolated in his time in the house. he had to put through a couple of bills on muslim sickle cell anemia and another was for an increase in the wage, the hourly wages of the workers and there were a couple of others i think about healthcare that is difficult to be in the house and then even later in the senate where a lot of the legislatures were white controlled. you have to remember, and many recollections of his time in the house and the senate in georgia. >> guest: i know his time in the house was particularly difficult to.
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that was the atmosphere in which he had to struggle and that is one of the reasons he ran for the senate as it is often the case it was the better behaved body and he did like the senate to better and get a feel a degree of collegiality even those who didn't share the politics which was most of them.
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but he had a better experience in the senate and generally, he liked his time in political office. >> host: 1986 in the seat he held create and in 1969 his best friend at the time was john lewis and he wrote him a letter encouraging and to run for this congressional state and he doesn't run for congress until 86. i'm pretty sure i have that right. so his friend john lewis, he and lewis went back to sncc, john lewis was the head while julian was there working is the communications director. they both left around the same time under the power movement coming into power in sort of
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drove john lewis from power and then with stokely carmichael in the lead they move towards black nationalism but they remained friends and turned to running against each other for congress and it was a contested race that leads to a fracture between the two men. he ended up being interviewed about it for all of their friends in atlanta so i prefer
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to speak about the. they were challenged into a drug test and he would ask by saying this is a ploy to get white votes which he brought a huge majority he always wanted people to know and that dated back to the legislature and people thinking he had committed treason for they were not going
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to vote for him years later for anything and so there was just a review of the movie in the "washington post" and the director is quoted as saying that the experience made john seem more human because he had found this in a less than honorable way. so, he would approve of that. but other than that, i don't have anything to add to what is in the book that he says of himself were not at all. >> host: for the people here, let me just say a few things, but i do refer you to the book as pam does. thanks to city lights books. during the campaign it turned personal especially during john
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and julie in a debate coach the criticisms came elsewhere when john accused him of drug use. he ended up being a slacker, lazy, and the legislature. there were a lot of coequal so after the race he moves to washington, d.c. and there is another organization that's important and that is the southern poverty law center which i know you are familiar with. can you talk about your work there and his work? >> guest: sure. he was the first president of
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the law center founded in 1971 and that was because one of the cofounders, he ever met him but he asked to meet with julian and told him he was setting up this organization. morris had been publishing and head of the company for a lot of money and was going to spend the rest of his long career doing good and so he liked what he heard and became the first president of the southern law center which meant he was never come at the cente the center lon montgomery, he was never in montgomery &-and-sign the fund-raising letters which were very successful most people are unaware now as the center. i worked at the center.
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it was my first job out of boston when there were three of us, three lawyers. the cofounders and we ended now of course there are 150. let's go through some of them and people will want to ask questions so maybe if we could monitor those that would be great if we could move to some issues.
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there was a subsequent movement and certainly the women's movement and so because the reproductive rights were an important part and that was a natural thing for him to support and a vital member moment when he suddenly says i think the gay rights are important. it is just assumed as a continuum.
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that didn't get in his way and i think in my preface to the book, i write about the admiration for frederick douglass and then frederick douglass had said whether it was the war in vietnam or gay rights said he became one of the few national leaders to endorse gay rights and marriage equality. >> host: [inaudible] >> guest: yes. with the head of the human
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rights campaign his husband had died. he was dying when they got married. so by the time the case was argued, but yes. we were there. >> host: one of the things i always liked [inaudible] to restrict civil rights but he was willing to share that movement. are you all still there? okay. my screen went blank. >> you are good. he was always willing to share the movement and some people it seems to me a.
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to expand the two economic issues he did the same thing. >> guest: and he was a big supporter of gay rights. we know what doctor king would have said that we know what she said. >> host: the first time i was working on this in the early movement i talked about this and it was interesting because i realized there wasn't a religious bone in his body which was unusual for a black man of the south to come out of this event not to be religious at all. he didn't technically come out of the south. but it was unusual. but as for bernice king and
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another comment for those of us that althoug follow king and thy i expected him to skip around the issue. there's not another word for it and he went into a diatribe. she was equally upset at the man from atlanta and maybe since you were there you can tell a story about the decision to boycott. >> host: because it was going to be at the church and because
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he was quite sure that she wouldn't want her service to be there. and i don't know if you remember but it got worse because they disinvited harry belafonte and nobody had been closer to the king family and had done more for the family in the wake of the assassination and hairy so that was an unforgivable thing to do. he was glad he hadn' had increae price of his dozens -- graced the place with his presence [inaudible] >> host: not as much evidence on that as i would like. [laughter] if you could walk us through
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some of the reactions to 9/11 and the war on terror because there wasn't a whole lot, there is some in the book but not a whole lot. >> guest: i guess we all remember where we were. they were on our way driving to charlottesville and he was teaching at the university at the time. she had a speech a the very next weekend somewhere in massachusetts and something to do with kids and they didn't want to cancel it so we drove, we were driven to the speech obviously, nobody was flying, and we went by what had been the towers so i remember all of
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that, but i guess his main reaction to 9/11 was to oppose the war in iraq but is not the proper response to what happened on 9/11. >> host: key and the naacp were open for it but certainly not the war on terror as was conducted by president bush. that was pretty clear to me like many found a direction directioe war effort could be pretty loud. do you want to jump in or are there questions you might be able to answer? >> the first one is from bahrain and she said that the quote at the beginning of the presentation makes him sound a socialist which i would love. do we know if he was even if he never articulated in public?
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>> [inaudible] he certainly wasn't a capitalist so i guess that makes him a socialist. >> he also talked about community socialism. as opposed to the nixon era of capitalism, he was really upset about the former leaders have focused on getting money for intellectual leaders and a few entrepreneurs. he never went that way. in fact he went to the block capitalist movement and if
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you've read some of the buck is amazing because he has an extensive review of the state and argues in favor of it and then against what he calls the warfare state. 1.9% of the budget is to welfare and if you could transfer some of the resources. i don't know whether he supported it but i'm pretty sure he did. he talked about at one point the appointment of giving so much money this was $20,000, why don't we give to poor people. so he had a radical notion of the welfare state and there was one plaintiff you just hold on a second to see if i can find it. i won't be able to find it now, but he lays out policy, a whole
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list of policies he think will make a good state, and it's really telling. >> is at page 7879 where he is really talking about the united states as a colonial society? >> that's exactly it. i give you an a+ for that one. 78 and 79 i will go through the list of upcoming income and wealth distribution for progressive tax structure policies, elimination of property primarily poverty, excuse me, primarily by full employment, supplemented by a negative income. it's not the workforce planning that publicly funded jobs, training, retraining and educational significance that dignifies adequate health care, decent affordable housing, maximum agricultural production and nutritionally adequate diet.
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national municipal operation of vital services, the key socialist point, national, regional or municipal ownership and operation. nonprofit including the rail passenger system. the social control of the governorship or the monopolistic corporations, employee and consumer representation for all major industries and delivery of government service on the basis of the need. so there's evidence to back the point. >> i think that he would have been for bernie. he met ernie that summer in 2015 and then was impressed. >> the next question comes from allison and asks julia and wrote
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a comic book about vietnam and it's featured in the national african-american museum. can pam tell us more about his? >> he was proud of his comic books. he had a big collection which i gave to the museum but i didn't give a comic books and is on display and it's on the page that talks about his election to the georgia house. but it doesn't say where they got it. he would have been really excited that they have the comic book because he obviously didn't do the articles he wrote for comic book, and it was basically a treatise on why the war in vietnam should be opposed to. and again, now there are a lot of comic books dealing with
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serious issues. john lewis has a couple of them. >> the book is widely distributed and it plays a formative role in a lot of young my. does he share the same idea about comic books as john lewis that they were in effective propaganda tool? >> guest: i think so. that is how he wanted the antiwar comic book to be start started. did kerry belafonte and julian have a relationship i read the biography and he didn't really say much about it. >> they were friends. he took a group of snack they
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need people to africa for a month. this was early. it was a fabulous treat for them. they met at the state and learned a lot. we went to england with hairy and his then wife. they were not best friends but they were definitely friends. she was a big admirer of. >> when he talks about the march on washington he always downplays his role and is a his job is to go around and make sure all the entertainers were well taken care of. independently he gave a coke to
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sammy davis junior as part of his job and sammy davis junior [inaudible] [laughter] spin i >> is the height of the march on washington. obviously it wa he was the yount organization and so that really was although it was one organization that was the most important speech of the campaign but they didn't have a lot of pull given the use was pointing the march on washington. >> there's no person i admire more as you know in this time of historic challenge what do you think that he would think about the clockwise pattern movement and to invest in the community
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what do you think that he would call for us to do now? >> me talk a little bit about the clockwise pattern movement at the beginning of this and i said he was a big admirer and would be happy about what is going on now as far as the protests in upset about the state of vandalism and lawlessness we hope to have not disappeared and the i doubt that he would be in favor of abolition of the police, but he would be in favor of what seems to be met by the funding. all of this will be fleshed out in the coming days but i think it is subject to different interpretations. one of them is redirecting money
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and not having cops do all the things they do for which they are not trained for domestic abuse and school patrol and all of that. he would be in favor of that. and certainly of getting ri if f qualified immunity. there is a lot that needs to happen and he would be a big proponent and in favor of the legislation as it is today and then some and demilitarization at some point when we start giving thigetting this militaryt took office that is affordable idea because they started thinking that was their proper role. today there is just new stuff,
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new video about killing another person. it is the moment we hope. .. >> what are you reading and watching now?
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>> i will try to read some fiction and nonfiction at the same time and that is not necessarily great literature especially now when i need to escape into the mysteries and contemporary novels now i'm reading a novel call before the fall and the new biography of frederick douglass which is als also. >> and to be honest because what you post on facebook i
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recommend everybody go there and there are wonderful things especially right now and share your lives on black lives matter movement especially during coalbed but we've had a lot. >> that's a great we always appreciate the book recommendations i have been talking as well so before you log off make sure you scroll back and look at those to finish the history about ella baker there are several good new books so check those out.
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>> who is doing it? >> university of georgia. >> i will put a plug-in i have a book coming out all the wishes and writing a book that i am editing julian's classroom for the civil rights movement to write the rebellious life that is being published in january. >> i will see if we can get the link in the chapter that as wel well. >>. >> a book that i recommend just recently came out sitting on my desk the new york times had an interesting piece on it recentl recently. >> here is the book coming out
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be sure to click on that. so let's get to the next question. we asked constance curry about her work and their friendship are there other foot. you build lasting relationships you could see over the years? >> yes. judy richardson who was one of the producers spoke at the memorial service representing. >>cspan: on - - sncc.
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but he regarded the sncc colleagues as lifelong comrades and friends and there had been reunions so he had seen them. and many of the women there is a book by sncc women. >> is it fair to say james was the main mentor at sncc? >> in some ways he was everybody's natural mentor. he was just a folder at a time
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it mattered. later he was only five years older but he had a maturity and an experience they all looked up to and he was brilliant in many ways. and sncc had photographers all of whom were trained in this record.
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that there is a written record and he really held it together and after ella baker the most important person. >> what do you think he would say about mitt romney from when he was running and marching to say black lives matter now? >> i think he would like it. why not? you need all the allies there is a lot of things he doesn't like about mitt romney.
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we have no common friends or enemies. and to be interested in racial justice. good for him. welcome. >> and to donate constituencies around these issues i think his disappointment with sncc after coming into power. >> we have a comment in one of
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the few friendly faces and there was little legislative success. >> that's nice. thank you. >> thank you for your work we appreciate it. >> we have five minutes left i want you to have a chance for any closing thoughts for anything we didn't get to? >> from page 227 and then to
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knock on the door at college. fourteen years later and these are his words every cloud my grandfather said in every flash of lightning and then lurking in he forgets and also brings light and hope. and that hardship and to the individual he had politics as a race man and had politics.
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