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attempted murder in the context of domestic violence. we discovered spyware running in stealth mode on the mobile device. it advertises itself as a seven dollar per rental monitoring software which can be installed on smartphones phones to text -- toessages, called, and track text messages, calls, or any data. they notice patterns that the abuser's knowledge about the victim's life and whereabouts when the abuser has no way of knowing. my department deals with only felony cases, stalking apps are frequently used in misdemeanor domestic violence cases. it is labor-intensive and requires expensive specialized equipment. most law enforcement agencies however do not have the resources, equipment, staffing,
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or training to examine mobile devices. to have atunate different tools and dedicated staff for mobile examinations. other counties and federal agencies request our assistance. in a survey by the minnesota coalition for battered women, advocates indicated cyber stalking was the number one priority for law enforcement training. because technology frequently used to stop victims and violate protective -- stock victims and violate protective orders. i worked closely with the minnesota coalition for battered women and its programs to train over 3000 domestic and sexual violence advocates, law enforcement, prosecutors, and judges since 2009. our efforts have borne fruit, but strained resources and a lack of awareness undercut our ability to respond to increasing reports of cyber stalking.
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this erodes victims trust in the criminal justice system. feel -- victims still crazy when they report the installed stalking apps. when law enforcement can respond to reports -- cannot respond to reports, the victims stop reporting crimes. this act is a major step in addressing the problem. absently required to notify the user a second time -- apps will be required to notify the user a second time. victims will then be notified when the perpetrator does not have access to their phone. just like in human trafficking, when craigslist no longer allowed certain ads, the company
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emerged and began to offer those ads. it comes down to economics. stalkingg stealth gps apps, we make it unprofitable for the companies to make these programs. brings public awareness to the issue by requiring information gathering. ,t supports victim safety making sure a stalking app cannot disguise itself as an employee or family tracking app or as a flashlight app. act ofyou to support the 2014. thank you to the committee and for your support of law enforcement efforts to keep domestic violence victims and our community safe. >> thank you, detective hill. mr. mastria? good afternoon and thank you
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for the opportunity to speak at this important hearing. to ensure consumers have access to the same transparency control in mobile as they do on desktop. to thiscular interest committee are mobile principles required consent for collection data. leaving the consumer in charge. last year, the da released its mobile guidance, providing controls.riendly this important self initiated update to our principles reflects the market reality that customers increasingly engage with each other on a variety of screens. the daa is a nonprofit organization founded by the associations.
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organizations came together in 2008 to develop self-regulatory principles to cover the collection. in 2012, the obama administration praised the daa program as a model of success. federal trade commission commissioner was quoted as calling the daa one of the great success stories in the privacy space. the internet is a tremendous of economic growth. mobile advertising by itself totaled more than $7 billion last year and that is more than 100% and reese. -- increase. revenue subsidizes the content and services we all enjoy. advertisersws that pay several times more for relevant ads and as a result, this generates greater revenue
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to support free content. consumers also engage more actively with relative -- relevant ads. companies have a vested interest in getting this right. self-regulation is the ideal way to address the interplay of privacy and online and mobile advertising. while preserving innovation. it provides industry as demonstrated either multiple updates to our program with a nimble way of responding to new market challenges presented by a still evolving ecosystem. the mobile program applies broadly to a diverse set of actors who work together to deliver relevant advertising. enhanced notice outside of the privacy policy, consent for location data, and strong independent enforcement mechanisms. these principles are intended to increase consumers trust and confidence.
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the mobile program leverages an already successful universal icon to give consumers transparency control. in april of this year, daa issued specific guidance on how to provide this transparency tool in mobile. this will provide companies and consumers a consistent reliable user experience in multiple screens in which they interact. this will provide companies a consumer friendly way to provide notice and choice outside the privacy policy. this advancement bills on the level of industry cooperation which has led to daa to being served globally. release a new mobile choice app. of particular relevance to this hearing and today, cyber
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stalking is a serious issue. criminal activity is separate and apart from a legitimate commercial use is covered by daa. -- the daa program requires and -- consent higher to collection. we have required privacy friendly tools, including notice, in the download process, notice at first install or other similar measures to ensure that companies are transparent about data collection and consumers can make informed choices. to help ensure both the mechanisms we require are used in the consumer choices are honored, we rely on our accountability programs. accountability is a key feature of the daa program. all of our principles are backed by the enforcement programs
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administered by the better business bureau. there have been more than three dozen publicly announced enforcement programs under this program to date. isould submit that the daa the story of empowering consumers to transparency and control. it is adapted consumer controls to meet quickly evolving market changes and preferences. while responsibly supporting the investment necessary to fund free or lower-cost products and services. i am pleased to answer any questions you might have. >> thank you. >> good afternoon. greenberg and i am the executive director of the national consumers league. it was founded in 1999 and is the pioneering consumer organization. we advocate on behalf of consumers and workers in the united states and abroad. supreme court justice louis
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landmarknoted in a 1928 decision that the right to privacy is the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. we could not agree more. by the seat is a cornerstone of consumer protection. ,he ubiquity of smartphones tablets, and mobile devices has dramatically change the way consumers interact. ofnks to the widespread use location data, consumers can navigate to their favorite coffee shops, discover the closest sushi restaurant, and be more easily located by emergency responders. it has provided immense consumer business -- benefits. however, as the collection has become an integral part of the mobile ecosystem, so too has consumer concern over the use and misuse of the data. 65% of consumers were very
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concerned that smartphone apps could access their personal locations, ands, other data without their permission. a similar los angeles poll showed that 82% of those surveyed were either very or somewhat concerned about the internet, smartphone firms collecting their information. this should not be surprising. gained fromion data a desktop computer, data from mobile phones is inherently personal and can be used to disclose information that in many cases consumers would rather be kept private. some ofotomayor this up perfectly -- sound this up perfectly. disclosing gps data will be trips to the psychiatrist, the plastic surgeon, the abortion theic, the strip club, criminal defense attorney, the by the hour motel, the mosque,
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the synagogue, the church, a gay bar. the consent -- the consensus among advocates and government agencies is that there is no adequate legal framework to protect consumer location data in the current and ever evolving mobile ecosystem. absent such a framework, consumers must rely on business to adhere to a variety company policies and his -- and industry best practices. is necessary and will help to protect sensitive information that consumers use, such as location data. it would do just that, this bill would establish a level playing field for businesses that seek to collect and share location data. it would help to restore consumer trust and ensure that
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the many benefits of this technology continue to flow to consumers and the economy while adhering to conform rules of the road. in particular, it we believe the bills often provisions would allow consumers to take control over their private location information giving them the right to choose the share -- choose to share the information or not and be informed of how their location data will be used and by whom. by prohibiting so-called stalking apps, the law will outlaw a class of inherently deceptive and predatory applications that can compromise personal safety of domestic violence victims. no federal law prohibits the operation of these apps, which are designed to run secretly. we strongly believe the section providing for private action are critical. resources, aited
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narrowly defined plan of action gives an extra player protection to consumers while addressing industry concerns about abuses of that private right of action. i would like to reiterate our strong support for the bill. deserve thepect and privacy of their location information will be protect it. absent such protections, consumers may become less trusting, which will be harmful to innovation and the economy as a whole. thank you, mr. chairman. i look forward to answering any questions you may have. -- k yk you, mr. green miss greenberg. ms. greenberg., thank you, chairman, ranking
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member, members of the kemeny. i appreciate the opportunity to submit testimony today. are a think tank focusing on policies to support technological innovation. it is legislation geolocation byhe third parties and the second is the use of information by individuals. the issue of limiting the collection of geolocation by third parties would stifle innovation in an area that is rapidly evolving. we have seen for men this growth in innovation -- location-based invices and the u.s. has led this space. the top 10 internet companies in
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the world, eight of them are american. this is in part because of our approach to it innovation. it has been to not regulate ahead of time, unlike europe, which is home to none of those 10. the have embraced precautionary principle to regulate well in advance of any real harms. this is important for location-based services, especially because there is tremendous innovation happening in this space and it will continue to happen. we will see more innovation in the next five years than in the last. things like in car navigation and infotainment systems, connected devices, facial recognition, these are interesting and important technologies and they do not lend themselves to a slower moving regulatory process. aboutd support wha self-regulation being a better approach. from administrator
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rich, the ftc has already taken action and has ability to .ontinue we already see self-regulation working. the digital advertising initiative and on the two major platforms, ios and android, consumers have the ability to load a -- ability to turn it off and turn it on. at this point, there is no evidence or very little evidence of actual harms arising from commercial use. use, i don'tcial believe there are really any evidence of harm. all of the concerned expressed by privacy advocates use stems from speculative harms that could happen, but not ones that have happened. our view is that some of the bevisions in the bill could
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stifled -- stifling innovation, particularly in the app space. a lot of these companies, if they were faced with a million dollar fine, for making a small coding mistake or putting something inaccurate on a would thinkelieve twice about developing a mobile lab. -- a mobile app. there are many apps that run in the background that are very important. carrier iq is a diagnostic app. it enables the system to work so carriers know when calls are dropped. these are apps we want to have running on our phone because they are acting in the public good. some of theand -- sections dealing with notice can be problematic. to list everyas
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single company from a business perspective, it could compromise some of their commercial information. moving onto the domestic violence, i commend you on your efforts. this is the most important part of the bill. i think a couple of components -- we would to provide some suggestions on. at the 24-hour seven days notice provision currently applies to all apps, including the weather channel or google maps or yelp. -- they simply cannot get access to the geolocation data that stays there. that is very different than one of the stalking apps, very different from amber alert gps
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teen. i would urge you to think about rule onlythat 24-7 two apps where individuals can get access to the gps stream. the stalker cannot use the weather channel to stalk his or her victim. the issue is regulating the behavior of the app. i would urge you to think about international access. one of the concerns we have is even if we can shut down these stalkerstalking apps, may be able to get access overseas and thinking about that question, could there be spyking, the same sort of i
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and it relocates to the cayman islands, could we block access to those? think geolocation offers many opportunities for innovation and regulation is premature. you, senator, for your leadership on the criminalization of the stalking apps. >> thank you, dr. atkinson. >> good afternoon. is cindy southworth. representing the minnesota coalition for battered women. all 56 coalitions. i founded the safety net project to support survivors, train police, and work with technologists and policymakers on thoughtful innovation.
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we work closely with many technology companies. we serve on the safety advisory board. presented, we have over 900 trainings to more than 65,000 practitioners. we love technology. we think of ourselves as the geeks of the domestic violence movement. i want to say that stalkers use location tracking services, devices, andgps smartphone applications. some spyware is one of the most problematic. it allows abusers to monitor much more than location. it does not notify the victim that it has been installed. a standard feature that developers go to great lengths to hide, it does not show up on
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most -- most phones as an installed app. these are brazenly marketed to stalkers. heavily focusing on the features that will help you spy on your spouse. one of the most disturbing apps i have seen recently is called hello spy and has a long list of stalking features and has a continuous animated image on their main webpage showing a scene from a movie where a man roughly shoves a woman off the headfirst. another webpage, there is a photo of a man grabbing a woman's arm. features,the including tracfone location.
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many of the apps on the next poster are developed and advertise directly to stalkers to facilitate crimes. gps devices and apps may have aided and offender in locating the victim to commit murder. location tracking was just one piece of an overwhelming list of tactics. in 2009, in seattle, a man used a location service on his wife's phone to track her to a local store. he shot and killed their five children and then himself. in philadelphia, a man installed a tracking device on his ex's car. electronic medications privacy act prohibits the manufacture, distribution, possession of advertising. it does not cover devices that
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surreptitiously track location information. -- i would be happy to send this post are back with the director to give to her prosecutor friends at doj. there are apps the track only gps location and do not offer eavesdropping capabilities. instancee of only one where the department of justice hasn't died a creator of spyware. -- has indicted a creator of spyware. i would be delighted if the developer at hello spy would join this creator and was indicted shortly. priord to require consent to tracking or sharing information. survivors of abuse must be informed about how their location information will be used and shared. prominent transparent and easy to understand.
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location tracking must be transparent and visible to users. consent is critical, but consent alone is insufficient. and somes can be added of those safeguards already exists on the apple technology letting people know that your location is being tracked. if gps technology is being used legitimately, there is no need for stealth mode. in 2005, the anti-spyware coalition created a consensus definition of spyware which stated that tracking software done covertly is spying. this this is probably the most important development behind decriminalization. criminalize the operations to surreptitiously track and
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facilitate a crime. it is past time to intercept tracking location and intercepting electronic communication. no one should profit from encouraging or enabling criminal act. stalking cap and device -- app and devices are making money. there should be a very modest private right of action. think, is quite low. we have insurance that would cover the accidental oversight. it should not cover that if you are doing it willfully with mallon tenant. in fact parallel state laws. since the overwhelming majority of these investigations are done at the local level, we hope this model will become a model for state statute. positiveeen countless
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ways that technology can increase the safety and support of victims and survivors of abuse and stalking. we think verizon, facebook, the application developers alliance, and so many more for working with us to increase victims safety. this will never really impact a handful of ad actors that designer operate products sold crimes.itate terrifying senator franken, thank you for your tireless efforts to end violence against women. thank you for your long support of the violence against women act. >> thank you. seven minute rounds for questioning. detective, you mentioned that you are investigating an attempted murder where the victim was being tracked by a stocking cap -- stalking app
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that advertised itself as parental monitoring software. we had a public hearing to debate this bill teat of years ago and i read on the website that it was named e-phone tracker. suspect your spouse is cheating? track every text, call, every move they make using our easy cell phone spy software. there's a lot of press about it after that hearing. we checkedame day the website again and this is what it looked like. is your child exposed to sexting? all the stuff about your spouse was gone. is a common for apps to disguise themselves like this? >> absolutely. they will typically advertise themselves as being a family tracker or to track your employees.
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>> why don't you just go after stalking apps and leave legitimate apps alone but these are two separate issues. your answer tells me that if we want to stop the stalking apps, we cannot target just those that label themselves as that. we also have to lay down a few basic rules of the road for any that is collecting your basic location information. like they will just change the name to something else stalkers will figure out. >> we don't want to interfere with a legitimate parental monitoring app, but we do want to block those that are pretending to be something they are not. how do you do that? >> legitimate parental monitoring apps if they follow the best practice of the visible.based apps are
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the child knows they are being monitored and they have control functions. they can see there is monitoring occurring. there is no problem knowing that your device is being monitored. the spyware industry definition says if it is a monitoring product, it is spying if it's not visible to the user. there is no exception for a child or employee. need consent but they would still need notice. or provision is absolutely critical here. -- dr. atkinson, you and your testimony say that reminders might make it harder for parents to keep track of kids because they will know they are being tracked.
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as you just heard, we cannot limit the reminders only to apps that call themselves stalking apps. a lot pretend to be parental and things like that. more importantly, i disagree with you that the provision proved too broad for all using geolocation data." my bill requires minors only us a nap is running in a way that is intercept the ball. -- only if an app is running inperceptible. you say this is a legitimate app imperceptibleably to the user." took a look at the home screen on my iphone and there it was.
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this is not my iphone but it is second from the left on the top there and it shows up on your .ome screen by default you cannot delete it. it is impossible. every time it gets your location, a little arrow pops up . i don't know if you can see this . it is also in your privacy settings under location services . p is reallyd book ap easy to perceive, at least to me. any apps like passbook app would not have to remind of anything under my bill. my point is that it is not a app ishat passbook
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running transparently. that is just the industry best actress. they will not have to send any extra reminders using best actresses. dr. atkinson, isn't it already industry best practice that location apps run in a way that they are transparent to the user? >> i should have made it more clear but imperceptible is perhaps a vague standard. you should look at what should be a better definition in the bill as what is imperceptible related but to the size of the icon, seeing it in the list. that is 1.i was trying to make their. . fully agree with you there are tracking apps, or apps report location that run in
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the background like carrier iq, and an individual cannot access them. i cannot go to the website and find where my phone is. that's the point i was making. make sure the definition of any of these apps is only for those were an individual could but something on the phone and then the individual could get access to that data stream. otherwise, there are others fused for system performance. >> i really don't think carrier iq should be a model here. people were outraged when they found out the software was running in secret. user,, the single biggest remove the software from 26 million devices. i'm sure there are isolated cases where the reminder might the superfluous or it might be
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difficult. this just seems, by and large, very straightforward to me. >> in your written testimony, you note that there are a number of products that would be considered mobile devices under the legislation but they are not smart phones. these are like smart shoe apps, watchers, health devices that shows you how many steps you've walked that day. notifications.ow stifle innovation in these areas if you have issues or regulations that cover that?
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>> i think it could. ms. southworth mentioned an app that is a gps device and the amber alert sells a gps device you can put in your child back act. they could put one of those devices in someone's trunk. i support the notion that we should have notice on those, there are certainly other technologies where you could not do that. then you have some of the new things. how would you do notice on a show, a shirt, something like that. there could be notice when you are doing an actual computer-like device. that, sheng up on
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said the location privacy protection act will narrowly impact a handful of bad actors that designer operate products created or sold to facilitate terrifying crimes. is that inaccurate description of the legislation, that it would simply impact a handful of bad actors? some of the proponents towards the end of the bill would certainly do that and are needed. bill is really just focused on broad, generalized, commercial use of geolocation data which has nothing to do with stalking, no relation to stalking or identity theft. the bill would address those issues in a way that i think could limit innovation. >> i certainly agree on that point. as a big part of the bill that i support. stalking legislation is part of
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about i remain concerned some of the stifling innovation. do you want to address back? senator flake, thank you. we see that self-regulation has been effect is and up to the and up to theive task giving control on the desk top environment and we're bringing it to the mobile environment. the desktop environment we have been in for over three years and later this year we will be releasing the mobile choice app which has been a work in progress now for about a year. we released a mobile guidance and an industry code for how to display notice. earlier this year, it has been a four-step process that will actually make that guidance and forcible. >> do you share mr. atkinson's concern that some of these new are interactive and that
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there is no way even for best actresses or businesses to band together for notification if there is no interaction with the user. in your view, does that stifle innovation? >> one reason we think self-regulation works -- i want to limit my answer to the scope of the program that i run. reason we think that innovation is better served by self-regulation is we can quickly adapt and quickly moved to new business models. not that many are simply thinking about apps, cross app data, precise location. we have not only a set of principles in place and guidance for companies to follow but we to beso putting out tools able to make choices.
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that has happened and they fairly quick amount of time. if there are challenges to the , that seemsd that to be a quick way to adapt to those changes. >> in your view, it could be far more nimble than perhaps government regulation in this regard. >> that's more eloquently than i could, but yes. >> they will share users location information without consent of any third party that they wish. they have little power to stop them but in that scenario, doesn't the consumer have the ability to use the service or the app? certainly, that's true. there are many, many apps that consumers find very useful that they need to get from one place to another and i don't think
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that should mean that they sacrifice their privacy or their say what are you using this data for? don't i have the right to say? you need to let me know this information is being shared and with whom it is being shared. can bridge that gap without interfering with a companies ability to innovate and some of the statements that have been made here. >> mr. atkinson, you noted that there were many beneficial uses of tracking apps and mention examples of the loved one locator, project lifesaver, if someone has autism, dementia, alzheimer's, family members are track and make sure there is a safe zone that they stay within. in the billceptions for that, but some concerns have
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been raised where there are situations where a sibling, a close family friend, or others who are not a parent or legal guardian might want to be involved in that. do you want to address that in more detail? it's important to understand that stalking is not a technological term. it's a behavioral term. the technological term. i do not believe, nor does the bill do this, but we should and tracking applications. enormous benefits for families and others who want to know where their device is, where their family members are. we need to make sure that we can go forward with that. but i'm somewhat concerned about , i don't believe we will end up with a situation where companies will change their names and they will just be family trackers. fundamentally, i don't know how .e can solve the problem
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for example, on the notification, any person who installs a nap on the phone on ios or android, you can turn off notification. -- any person who installs an app. how do you monitor your phone? how do you look at the apps running list? all of those things. in both of those operating systems right now, you can just turn off notifications. more complicated, i think, than simply taking some apps that are bad actors in use them for bad purposes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. exemption andcy safety exceptions are not limited to parents. i just wanted you to know that. thingsalk about a couple
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. both you and dr. atkinson referred to digital advertising alliance self-regulatory program for marketing as a model program. just so i'm clear, you issue this code in july 2013 but you are not enforcing it? code was issued in july 2013. there had to be several operational steps put into place before it can become operational. there had tos that be a standardized way for companies to display notice to consumers. that happened in april. the next step is to have a nap so they can express their choices -- the next up is to have an app. choice,consumer makes a we want to make sure the choice is honored and that companies are held to honoring that choice.
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>> so it's a model program in theory. top version has been around for almost three and a half years. we have a great pedigree to show that in fact we do put the tools to market that we say we will. >> can i ask ms. greenberg about what your opinion is of the reality you see in best actresses? practices? >> it seems the code is coming late in the game to us. players like the direct marketing association put codes in place years ago. with all due respect, we've looked at the code and it is full of holes.
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we would argue that it feels may bepr gesture and it driven in fact by the introduction of this legislation. that thelso take issue idea that self-regulation is working. i think there is monumental evidence that self-regulation is not working. from theeard witnesses ftc and the gao say as much. the wall street journal did an article that you mentioned with 101 apps being tested and 47 of them disclosed users location to a third-party. we very much need this bill because self-regulation is not protecting consumers. >> there is the point that the ranking member made. has there been any evidence of harm?
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i think most americans believe that they have some right to privacy. do you think there is harm that individuals can feel if their privacy is not being protected? >> the notion that there is no real harm from tracking and using location data for consumers really strikes in the heart of our notions of consumer protection and the idea that privacy is a bedrock american principal. justices of the supreme court, mayor, haved soto mayo articulated that it is a right. the vast majority do care about their location data not being shared without the consent and do want to know where that location data, to whom that
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location data is being shared and for what purpose. i think that flies in the face of what we know about how consumers feel about their privacy. like last year, your organization posted a blog post about my location bill. "the evidence for the use of stalking apps is somewhat thin." dr. atkinson, i can understand might economic think tank think that but i'm curious what people in the field who have actually seen this. detective hill, are stalking app s common or is the prevalence of the evidence somewhat thin? 220%.has increased we are finding more and more that these do exist. >> one week does not go by where the national office was not set up for direct services but we get calls every single week from
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survivors who were trying to figure out if the gps devices on the car, the phone, and app. we just don't have enough effective hills -- detective hills out there to have things examined. >> i think after atkinson has stated his general approval of piece of thispp so i don't want to send that wrong message. just in the execution of it in -- i go to you worth, thatsouth people have a reminder that this is happening. dr. atkinson talked about being able to suppress it. >> it is vital. the behavior is not new. there is general support around helping vic dumbs.
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offenders will do anything they can to control their victims. they would look at the odometer when the vic and went to the grocery store to see if she stopped to pick up a prescription because it was outside of the bounds of what she was allowed to do that day. there are crazy amounts of control. some offenders will tell the vic m, i am putting this on your phone and i will be tracking you. it's there and she comes to file a report or a local advocate to talk about a protection order, she can accidentally let the battery run down, but if she does not know it was on the phone because the offender did not tell her, there is no arrow on the top, they cannot do anything to stay safe. resources.s to the someone who feels like they are that itapped saying
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must be in this thing. what happens when they go to a police station routinely? don't have the tools to look at it or they may only have one tool to look at it and don't see anything after a quick look and send the victim on the way which can be very frustrating. >> this is why we need and the bill gets resources to be able and get exactly with the victims need. >> absolutely. >> i'm out of time. ranking member? is something i've been working on for a long time and you are just the ranking member. [laughter] the portions of the bill that deal with stalking, i applaud the chairman for his dedication on this and those that testified, groups and organizations whoever on this for a long time, i do think we
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definitely need action in those areas. the bill thats of we don't necessarily stifle innovation that can help with some of the same areas we are talking about. i think concerns have been raised about this legislation that may require notice be provided and consent be obtained . the family tablet, gps and the car, is there a concern among some members of your that notification may be given to those who use the same device? >> i can speak to but the program code is. if you are transferring location , you have to get consent. you have to get it download or
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on install. i would like to take this step address a point that ms. greenberg made. mentioning both participants in the development of our code. it will be enforceable later on this year. our program has announced more than 30 public actions against participants and nonparticipants alike. that is not pr. it's not an easy discussion to have that a company is somehow noncompliant with our program. this is the mission we've set out to do. divertnt to transparency, control, and accountability.
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this is the program that we have and we think it serves industry and consumers well. >> to describe the program you to give some discipline about what you are talking about, you have given consent for investigation. how many did you say? been 33 public compliance actions. i think the number is in the 60-70 individual companies named in there. . . for me and i really appreciate this hearing. thank you for your testimony, everyone. >> i would like to thank all the witnesses very quickly because i don't want to have a long back and forth. would you like to respond, ms. greenberg?
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that weto take a moment are arguing with the idea that they may have pursued investigation. it's the code itself that is weak. to getdoes not need permission if they don't share the data and they keep it to themselves. if it does share precise location with totally different companies, they still do not need to get permission to share. if they are doing so for market saying it is full of holes, that is what i am referring to. code does call for consent when there is a transfer of location information. the reason we do that is we focus on when information is being transferred to unrelated apps or sites. that is the code.
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>> is her characterization of the code not accurate? >> we focus on the transfer of information to unrelated apps and sites. we want to make consumers aware of that and give them control. that's the part of the code that thehe essential piece of daa program. >> we may follow-up on this. i want to do this forever. to thank the want ranking member, senator flake. i want to say of the witnesses who appeared today. detective hill took time out of his job to travel here and testify. we heard a lot of valuable testimony today. i think our bill will protect and i will think
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about today's testimony though. we will work to address that feedback to make any needed improvements in the bill between theand by the time it is books. thank you. i mean that sincerely. thing thatre's one there is absolutely no question about. shut down.ps must it is unacceptable in this day and age that companies are making money off of stalking and brazenly marketing themselves as talkers is equally on except the bulb of the laws have new polls -- marketing themselves as unacceptablequally . we have to stop these apps. i think there is agreement here. we will hold the record open for one week for submission of questions to the witnesses and other materials. thank you. thank you. thank you again. this hearing is adjourned. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by
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>> each week, "reel america" brings you archival films. in the first of a five part look at hollywood directors who made films for the u.s. government during world war ii, we feature frank capra, who made and supervised dozens of films during the war. including the "why we fight" series. up next, the 14 minute "your job in germany," a training film for troops occupying the defeated nation. we will show you a four-minute animated private snafu training film. but first we talk to a story in -- journalist and film historian mark harris. >> a story of hollywood and the second world war, and joining us from new york is mark harris. thank you for being with us.

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