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i savored my money for a year. i took a loan out and started black hat a year later than i wished. every year, unbelievably, it's grown for 20 years. >> jeff moss, founder and creator of black hat and def con talked about his back-to-back conferences for security researchers and hackers. emerging threats to cybersecurity and how hacking works. >> it's pretty hostile everywhere. it used to be just hostile during def con, but now every airport has fake wi-fi catchers because if you're going to steal somebody's log in, why not at the business lounge at the international airport? that's where the high value targets are. if you monitor your wi-fi signal when you're traveling, you'll see all these fake stations, amtrak station right there, d.c. has a fake cell tower outside of it a couple times. this is the way that it is. and if you're a criminal and you can build a backpack to intercept information and leave
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the backpack plugged in somewhere, that's so much more low risk than trying to rob a bank. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. >> next, the confirmation hearing for david growy, who has been picked to serve as homeland security undersecretary for intelligence and analysis. mr. glowy is a former assistant commissioner from the office of intelligence, the u.s. customs and border protection. at this hearing, he was asked about information sharing among the intelligence community and current operations att the homeland security department. this is just under an hour. >> i'd like to call the hearing to order. i would like to welcome our witness today. david glawe. president trump's nominee to be
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the next undersecretary for intelligence and analysis of the department of homeland security. david, congratulations on your nomination. i would also like to take a moment to recognize the sizable family contingent you have behind you today and thank your husband, perry, for his unwavering support. i think it's also to pay tribute and thanks, thank your family for its honorable service. perry is a supervisory special agent at the fbi. your father jim glowy served in the korean war. your broernl served in desert storm, and your sister works at the v.a. i thank all of you for your service to your country and your dedication and selfless service. our goal in conducting this hearing is to consider your qualifications and thoughtful deliberation from our members.
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he's also provided standive written responses to more than 80 questions presented by the committee and their members. today, members will be able to ask additional questions of the nominee. david, let me just warn you, when you see nobody beside mark and i, this is a good thing for a nominee. david comes to us with more than 24 years of national security and law enforcement experience. he began his career as a houston police officer before serving as a federal agent with the u.s. postal inspection service and as a special agent with the fbi. in 2012, mr. glowy was named the deputy national intelligence manager for threatened finance and transnational organized crime. before serving as the chief intelligence officer for the united states customs and border protection office of intelligence. mr. glawe is currently supporting the national security council as a special assistant to the president and senior director for homeland security.
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david, you've been asked to lead the department of homeland security's intelligence and analyst component at a time when we are facing complex, evolving, and continuous threats to the homeland. intelligence community is tracing threats from state and nonstate actors to our cyber and critical infrastructure and we continue to debate the scope and scale of our u.s. intelligence collection and legal authorities. i expect you'll be a forceful advocate for the intelligence community in those discussions while maintaining a steadfast respect for the rule of law. as i mentioned to prior nominees before this committee, i can assure you that the senate intelligence committee will continue to faithfully follow its charter and conduct vigorous and realtime oversight over every intelligence community entity, its operations, and its activities.
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we'll ask difficult, probing questions of you and your staff, and we expect honest, complete, and timely responses. your law enforcement and intelligence experience prepare you well to support dhs, and i'm hopeful that you will look at the department with a fresh set of eyes and a new perspective as you chart its course moving forward. i look forward to supporting your nomination and insuring a consideration without delay. i want to thank you again for being here, for your years of service to your country, and i look forward to your testimony, and i recognize the vice chairman for any comments he might have. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and welcome, mr. glawe. let me say, i think this is the earliest intelligence committee meeting i have ever attended. and it shows my commitment to your appearance and the questions i have for you, because i'm a chairman who lives back in my home state of
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virginia. and you know, i can assure you, when i was governor, there was a lot less traffic. congratulations on your nomination. as the head of the office of intelligence and now analysis. this position sits at a critical juncture between the analytic work of the intelligence community and the information sharing role of the department of homeland security. if confirm said, your job will be to insure that the critical process, pieces of information are delivered immediately throughout the department. as well as to your partners at federal, state, local, and tribal department and agencies that need it. i believe that you have an understanding of this need given your background in law enforcement and the intelligence community. i also appreciate the support you've received from my friend, jim clapper. and from law enforcement organizations representing the nation's chiefs of police, county sheriffs, and narcotics officers. let's be clear. dhs, ina requires a strong
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leader. while the organization's mission is to find, continues to evolve and mature, sense the creation of dhs over a decade ago, i remain concerns about the level of sharing with law enforcement. the large contract workforce and the whole fusion center concept. we have a fusion center in virginia. conceptually it makes sense. i'm not sure it's been implemented in the right way and would love to have your fresh set of eyes look at this. the truth is this job has never been easy and it's not going to be easy going forward. if you're confirmed, i will expect your cooperation with this committee's bipartisan investigation into russia's cyberattacks into our presidential election and the concerns about future meddling with our election and voting systems. i have asked dhs to share with this committee even if we cannot reveal them publicly, the names of the 21 states that the department testified last week
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were attacked by russian hackers. i have written to and spoken with secretary kelly about this matter. and as the oversight committee, all intelligence committees, we're entitled to have this information. i want to thank the chairman. this week, the chairman and i sent a letter to all relevant state officials asking that this information be made public. i don't see how americans are made safer when they do not know which state election systems the russians potentially attacked. i particularly feel this way since my home state of virginia has major state elections this year. thank you for appearing before the committee and i look forward to your testimony. thank you, mr. chairman. >> i attest to the fact this is the earliest he has ever been here. i'd like to now recognize the chairman of the senate judiciary committee to introduce our nominee, senator chuck grassley. the floor is yours.
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>> thank you, senator bur and ranking member warner. before i read three or four-minute statement, i would like to say i'm proud to be here to introduce to the committee the person whose family and he has deep roots in iowa. and glad to be here. i think if i could probably give one sentence, which would repeat something you said as you talked about him, because i'll be repetitive of some of the things you said, but you talked about his honorable service within government and his public service, well qualified to take this position. i would emphasize that as i say that i'm proud to recognize david glawe as the nomination for undersecretary for intelligence and analysis at dhs. he is a dedicated public servant
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with over 20 years of national security and law enforcement experience. he currently serves on the national security council as special assistant to the president and senior director for homeland security. prior to this, the nominee served as chief intelligence officer for the u.s. customs and border protection. mr. glawe is a former police officer and federal agent with both the u.s. postal inspection service and the fbi. in 2007, he served in iraq and africa on a joint fbi deployment with the department of defense. following this tour, he was a senior adviser at the national counterterrorism center. in 2012, the nominee was named deputy national intelligence manager for threat finance and transnational organized crime, where he oversaw and integrated
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the intelligence community's data collections and analysis. in 2014, he began serving as national security council on that council as the senior intelligence official, responsible for implementing the president's strategy on transnational organized crime. in 2015, mr. glawe was awarded the national intelligence superior service medal for his extraordinary contribution to the u.s. intelligence community and our nation's security. the nominee is an iowa native, as i said. still has family in iowa. he's a graduate of my alma mater, the university of northern iowa. and also a graduate of harvard university's jfk school of government. he got started in law enforcement and advanced his impressive career with
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characteristically outstanding iowa work ethic. he shared with me how much these roots mean to him, and i appreciate his commitment to putting them to work in this new position for our nation as he has several positions in the past. mr. glawe's mother nancy is someone who i have crossed paths with for a long time in iowa as well, i'm proud to say. and i know she's glad to be here with the rest of her family and his friends today to celebrate with him and to support him through this process. thank you for holding this hearing. and i urge you to support his nomination to fill this very important post. thank you. >> chairman grassley, thank you for that very thorough introduction, and before i -- david, i ask you to stand and be sworn in, i want to recognize your mother, nancy. i didn't recognize her earlier when i recognized your dad.
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also, i want to recognize why even though he left the room, and your daughter alexis, who is just an absolute doll. if you will, raise your right hand. do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you god? please be seated. david, you're now sworn in. and before we move to your statement, i'd like to ask you five standard questions the committee poses to each nominee who appears before us. and they just require a simple yes or no answer for the record. do you agree to appear before the committee here or in other venues when invited? >> yes. >> if confirmed, do you agree to send officials from your office to appear before the committee and designated staff when invited? >> yes. >> do you agree to provide documents or any other material requested by the committee in order for us to carry out our oversight and legislative
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responsibilities? >> yes. >> will you both insure that your office and your staff provide such materials to the committee when requested? >> yes. >> do you agree to inform and fully brief to the fullest extent possible all members of the committee of relevant intelligence activities rather than only the chair and the vice chairman? >> yes. >> thank you very much. we'll now proceed, david, to your opening statement. the floor is yours. >> thank you, senator. chairman burr, vice chairman warner, members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today as the president's nominee for undersecretary for intelligence and analysis at the department of homeland security. i'm honored to be nominated by president trump and i'm honored to receive support from secretary kelly and secretary coates. i would like to thank senator grassley, born and raised in iowa, i learned about civic duty and serving on your committee. i never dreamed that one day i would have the opportunity to
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meet and know an iowa legend. i want to thank you for the heartfelt introduction and the service to iowa. next, i would like to take a moment to recognize my family. i'm grateful for their support and the sacrifice that allowed me this opportunity. with us are the bed pm rocks of my life. my 20-year partner and husband, perry. a special agent at the washington field office. our two wonderful children, alexis and wyatt. also here is my father, jim glawe, who is an army veteran. my mother nancy, a retired kindergarten teacher, both from davenport, iowa. my sister who works for veterans affairs medical center, and my brother-in-law, who works in the davenport office. my mother-in-law, a lifelong volunteer in her community in minnesota. and i want torecognize my deceased father-in-law, roger, retired as a high school teacher and athletics coach who is here with us in spirit. i would also like to thank my
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friends and coworkers who have supported me throughout my life. i would not have this opportunity without them. the mission statement of dhs is clear and direct. with honor and integrity we will safeguard the american people, our homeland and our values. they must work across the federal government in concert with our state and private sector partners. i have over 24 years in law enforcement and intelligence experience. if confirmed i would apply that knowledge to drive operational integration and deliver unique analysis and ultimately mitigate threats. ina has one of the broadest customer bases in the intelligence community and meeting the challenges, if confirmed i tend to focus on areas where there are positions to add value like travel, trade, cyber, marine, and aviation security. ina's greatest strength without question is its people. if confirmed it will be my honor
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to lead the professionals at ina as we endeavor to implement the vision by meeting the needs of the customers, integrating intelligence and making it diverse, mission focused and a productive environment for the work force. in closing, i would like to take a moment to recognize the important role congress plays in the success of ina. if confirmed, i pledge to fulfill that role by keeping your fully informs and transparent on ina's activities and developments. i'll stop there and submit the remainder of my comments for the record. i look forward to answering your questions. >> thank you very much. and once again, i thak all of your family members for their tremendous service to the country and more importantly, to the security of this country. with that, i'm going to turn to vice chairman to start with questions. >> mr. glawe, let me also recognize your family and very impressive. i know they have to be all very proud of you. i want to start a couple
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questions in relation to our hearing last week. and just kind of get your sense on this. i want to -- in addition to the questions the chairman asks, will you commit to working with this committee as we go forward on our ongoing russia investigation, making sure that we get as much access as possible, making yourself available necessary materials, intelligence reports, cables, products, and other materials? and make sure those are, if requested, are provided to the committee as quickly as possible? >> absolutely. >> mr. glawe, one of the things that came away last week was a real concern, while not directly your area, i would like to get your view. we had representatives from dhs here. they indicated 21 states had been the subject of at least some level of russian incursion. but it became evident through the testimony that many cases,
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the only contact that was made with those states may not have even been to the top election official, the secretary of state or other election officials. it might have just been to the vendor who might have been having the voter registration roll. i think the chairman and i both feel we are not made safer by keeping that information private. we understand that dhs views the states have a collaborative relationship with the states and want to maintain that collaborative relationship, but they have in effect viewed the states as victims and consequently almost feel like the obligation of the state to come forward, but we had the top election official from indiana and wisconsin here. neither one of them knew whether their states had been attacked. we had the illinois state election official here who had clearly indicated he was the victim of an attack, but until the previous testimony of dhs,
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had not realized and had never been told by dhs that it was actually russia who was behind the attack into the illinois system. what i would like you to do is just commit to work with us as we try to sort through this, recognizing that there's no effort here to relitigate 2016 or to embarrass any state, but we've got to make sure that the states that were subject to attacks are prepared so that information can filter down to local election officials so they can all take the necessary precautions. do you want to comment on that, any thoughts you might have and how we might be able to address this problem? >> sure, senator. thank you for the question. and i appreciate the opportunity to discuss that. i did watch most of the testimony last week as well. i share your concerns regarding the state and the russian intrusion into the state electoral. i also understand the challenges with sharing that information
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regarding the individual states' vulnerabilities. i'm committed to working with you and to be completely transparent with that. i understand the need to understand who has been hacked or the intrusion occurred. and the unique vulnerabilities to each state, which may be different and working through those challenges. and i concur with you completely. the solutions are not going to be easy, and the problem is increasing. and i fully commit if confirmed to work with you, sir. >> i hope you would be willing to share with us, even if it's on a confidential basis, this committee, so we can figure out a way to sort through to make sure we're better prepared. >> absolutely, sir. >> i'm going to hold you to that. i look forward to working with you. i'm down to the last minute. one of the things, as i mentioned in my opening statement, the concept of the fusion center makes a great deal of sense. i do wonder at times if there's
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not duplication and just wondered whether you have many years in and out of this concept, is it working the right way? and since you're at the nub of this kind of intelligence and analysis, what would you do to improve this concept or do you feel like it's working? >> senator, again, thank you for the question. i appreciate the opportunity to talk about that. i was actually on the joint task force in richmond where one of the first fusion centers were set up so i'm very familiar with it and the challenges. coming from the state and local perspective, i also have a unique posture of i understand what the needs are of state municipalities as well. if confirmed, i think i'll need an opportunity to wrap my arms around a little better on the business structure they have. each state operates differently, and that's been a challenge. i'm committed to working with the committee and yourself on those challenges and to have a thorough assessment. what i can say is when meeting with numerous of the organizations that have
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graciously supported me, the chiefs and state law enforcement, we see the need for it. we need a method to share information. it's without question, there can be improvements in that, and i know undersecretary taylor, my predecessor, was working in that direction, and i'm obligated and committed to do that as well. >> i don't have a set of recommendations. i do think the whole concept needs a fresh look. i look forward to working with you on that. thank you, mr. chairman. >> senator cornyn. >> thank you. congratulations, mr. glawe. anyone chairman grassley supports, usually guaranteed my support. so look forward to your service, continued service to the country. i do have just a broad question about cybersecurity. during the debates, we in congress have had about cybersecurity, we have been unable to overcome the silos that congress itself has built when it comes to jurisdiction over this issue. and the concerns we've had about
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the organization of the department of homeland security since 9/11 and the challenges that it's had just culturally just dealing with so many different disparate agencies under the umbrella of dhs, but i would be interested in your views about the shortcomings and maybe the opportunities that we have to deal with the cyber threat because it seems to me like we're doing a poor job as all of government approach. >> senator, thank you for the question. also thank you for meeting with me privately and going over some of these issues. i think it's a tremendous opportunity in the department to have an integration of business enterprise towards this. the elicit pathways of the cyber threat knows no boundaries and knows no borders. transnational crimnition organizations, terrorist organizations, foreign intelligence organizations, nonstate actors, threaten our cyber and threaten the critical
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infrastructure. i have had some initial briefings on our cyber posture within dhs. if confirmed, i would need to unpack that business process we have in place. but what i can commit, senator, if confirmed, is i will bring a sense of urgency because that's the whole world i came from. i served the public, the community, with a sense of you didn't go home until the threats were mitigated. i view cyber in that same lane. we can say we have room for improvement, and i look forward to working with you and the committee if confirmed on that challenge. >> people understandably are skeptical of our perhaps most capable government agency when it comes to cyber, which is the nsa, and so by default, it seems like the department of homeland security must assume that role as the intermediary between our agencies like nsa and the private sector who views with
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skepticism also government's ability to keep information confidential when there's so much at risk from a business standpoint when information about cyberattacks, successful cyberattacks becomes news. so we look forward to getting your recommendation, and i would just encourage you, we need somebody at the department to stand up and speak with clarity about what we as policymakers need to do to better deal with this threat, because as i said, i don't think we're doing a very good job right now. thank you. >> senator manchin. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and thank you, mr. glawe, for being here. first, let me thank your family for the service they have given to our country, each one of them, and for you to continue in the footsteps of serving our great country. let me ask first of all if you can tell me about your experience at a police officer in houston and how that has shaped your service and your
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dedication to service and to be able to lead the dhs with a different perspective that most who have worked through the ranks. >> thank you for the question and thank you for meeting with me yesterday afternoon. it was an honor to meet you. i spent a lot of time in west virginia at their advance training center out there, it's a great state and wonderful opportunity. as a houston police officer, i was 22 years old when i got out of the academy. and i was -- sorry, just turned 23. the youngest police officer in the department when i hit the streets. i responded to people's homes on the worst day of their lives in an effort and hopefully to make it a little better. when you call 911 and responded for a call for service, it was inevitably the worst day of someone's life. and with that brought a sense of urgency and community but also an understanding of how important intelligence is. at the time, i probably didn't understand the totality of it, but i surely do now. we must have forward leaning tactical level intelligence to get to our operators and policymakers to allow the
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appropriate decisions to be made to mitt gate those threads and working with a sense of urgency. what i have seen throughout my 20-plus years and working up as an entry level special agent in the fbi in a post-9/11 environment is we have tended to be a reactionary intelligence community. we have tried to fix that. we have tried to be proactive and get ahead of the threats, but some of the critical notes are we have to posture ourself as an intelligence enterprise to be forward leaning to identify the threat before they happen wrg the worst case scenario is when you have to call 911 and a uniforms police officer has to respond after the fact. >> what do you think the greatest security threat the united states faces? >> thank you, senator, for the question. the elicit pathways, the illicit pathways associated with cyber seem to be an incredible vulnerability. i don't want to get ahead too much of the policy of the threat
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violations that secretary kelly will set, but the illicit pathways being used and the cyber arena and encrypted information from transnational criminal organizations, by terrorist networks and by nonstate actors that are on the full spectrum of illicit activity from child exploitation, human trafficking, to foreign intelligence activity, we're at a real challenge situation now. how as policymakers and decision makers and i can share that intelligence with you to make good decision on that, i will do everything and i'm committed to that so we can keep you informed on that. i look forward if confirmed in working with you on that. >> tsa comes interspritwined wi your duties. are you concerned or do you have concerns with our tsa, our technology advancements to detect any type of foreign intervention, if you will, and how would you build the cooperation between all of those nations and countries that have
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the ability to fly into our airports and use our u.s. facility and the concern you may have with them brings danger to our country? >> thank you for the question. and if confirmed, i look forward to taking on that challenge. it's a big challenge. the information sharing agreement and our vetting processes to identify nefarious actors from any country in the world that pose a threat, from any threat sector, not just terrorism, but transnational criminal organizations that operate as well as a foreign intelligence operation, but back to your comment about aviation security. in any vulnerability we have in the aviation security arena, i don't think it's with any question that terrorist organizations still view aviation as a threat factor that they want to attack. and a nightmare scenario is having a u.s. flag or any flag
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carrier to get taken out of the sky. it's something that keeps all of us up at night and i'm committed to working towards that and looking for those vulnerabilities with secretary kelly and the intelligence community to work on those threats. >> will you, if asked by the president, render your professional assessment regardless if it's counter to the current administration's viewpoint? >> thank you for that question. absolutely, i will always give my honest assessment with complete integrity of the intelligence process. >> thank you. congratulations. >> senator harris. >> thank you. good morning. i couldn't agree with you more on your priorities around cyber and transnational criminal organizations and if confirmed, i look forward to working with you on that. there's been a report, and i'd just like you to give me your perspective on it and an spungz, while you were acting under secretary for intelligence and anas sl, you withheld a report as it related to the president's executive order on what we
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called the muslim ban. can you give me your perspective on that report and what actually happened? >> sure, thank you, senator, for the opportunity to clarify that. so i had no involvement in the executive order the day it was released. and the report that you're referencing there was a compilation of information that was going to be used in the potential or the litigation for the executive order. it was a combination of multiple intelligence organizations. the information that was contained in that report, a majority was placed in an intelligence product that was disseminated and i authorized that dissemination shortly after that information came out or the leak was in the newspaper. >> was there a reason that it was withheld before then? >> it was -- senator, it was information being compiled in a declaration that was going to be used for the executive order after it was stated.
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>> work product, is that -- >> yes. >> on the issue of state election infrastructure, you have mentioned that you watched or heard part of the proceedings we had. in that regard, i'm concerned about what we heard in regards to whether or not dhs has adopted an adequate policy for coordinating with states. and one of the concerns that repeatedly we heard and we have heard is that the states are concerned they don't have access to intelligence, to safeguard their systems. and obviously, we have concerns about classified information and those who do not have authority receiving any classified information. how do you propose we could improve our system to give the states more information? and intelligence to emphasize the priority they should place on concerns about hacks? >> senator, thank you for that question. and i have had the initial
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briefings from ntpd on our infrastructure to share information as well as the fusion centers. and if confirmed, i look forward to looking at the business enterprise of how we're doing business and having a sense of urgency. senator, i come from a background in that arena throughout my entire career to operate with sense of urgency, disseminate intelligence at any classification level to mitigate threats. i share your concern that we're not postured possibly in that arena, but if confirmed i need to unpack and identify those vulnerability and how quickly to respond to them. >> can you give me examples of what you think what might be a remedy or what a remedy might look like, and i appreciate the point you made earlier, which is solutions won't be easy. >> senator, i think i would have to take a stronger look -- sorry, not stronger, a more in depth look at our current business structure of how the information is being disseminated and what infrastructure is currently in place. i would like to say that the fusion centers would be a
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natural touch place for that, but i'm not sure they're postured today to do that mission. especially when you're talking about intelligence community, top secret information that has to go down to secret or terror level to get it out there and also to echo what my predecessor said, getting that information in a usable form into the private sector, and their vulnerabilities which is tremendous. if confirmed, i share your concerns. we'll work with you to work through those challenges. >> sphyou did not see that part of the testimony, i urge you to review the hearing we had about what may be a different approach if we're talking about a vendor versus state officials who are elected or appointed to represent the state through the state government system. >> senator, thank you. and i did see part of and some of the confusion involving the legal authorities and discloser, we have to work through that. i agree with your frustration and agree to work with you if
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confirmed. >> if confirmed can you give this committee a commitment you will provide us with a report about your assessment well before the 2018 election and if possible provide us the report before the end of this year? >> if confirmed, i absolutely commit to that. >> thank you. >> thank you, senator harris. david, there's been a lot of discussion about the future of the intelligence component at dhs. how it should be structured, how its mission is defined, what authorities it should operate under. and who ultimately its customers are. who do you view as the ina's core customer? >> thank you, senator. thank you for the question. i have a unique perspective because i was the head of intelligence at u.s. customs and border protection, the largest component of dhs and the largest law enforcement organization in
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the united states. the customers are diverse. and it's a challenge because it's not necessarily an either/or. we have the policymakers and then the senior administration officials which you are the senior policy officials on this in the legislature. but we have the state and locals. and we're statutorially mandated to share information with the state and locals. we have to do that well because we're the only ones mandated to do that. i also see the components. dhs is a powerful organization, but they had challenges getting information to them, intelligence high side information to the most critical components. i would use customs and border protection as one of those. they are the last line of defense for incoming foreign threat, and law enforcement data will not cut it alone. we have to -- we will have to find solutions that either through our vetting and information sharing agreements or processes to insure that they get all the information they need on the border to mitigate threats.
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so senator, my apologies my answer wasn't a singular one, because it's so important, we have to serve them all, and i have to if confirmed come up with a business plan and process to do that with a sense of urgency and understanding what our customers need. >> let me ask you a little different way. what value does ina bring? >> senator, thank you. ina's mission is robust and the employees are outstanding. they are dedicated and committed to that interweaving the dhs component intelligence information is a critical note. they're the statutory also charged to bring title l to the component with exception to the coast guard within dhs. and also insuring that they're getting information to the state and local. so i see that as also a heavy-pronged approach. what i would say is if
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confirmed, i would bring the mission focus, operational focus to insure we're meeting our customers needs with a sense of urgency. i believe i said it earlier, having that mind set to deliver tactical level and strategic intelligence, to move resources, to be adaptive, ina are incredibly dedicated, incredible people. if confirmed, i hope to have the opportunity to help them with that mission. >> you've got the unique background of having served in a number of different capacities that touch the intelligence community and the product that comes out of it. the committee's been concerned for some time about the analytic duplication that exists across government, the government wide. do you share that concern? and what do you see as the analytic component of dhs or
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should they be a customer of somebody else's analytic process? >> thank you for the question. and i have been a unique position throughout my career to understand that challenge. actually as a terrorism agent in the fbi and looking at dhs, ina's role in the terrorism space and the uniqueness of the organization to provide information. and if confirmed, i'm committed to look for the business process to insure that there is not duplication, that we are at ina, if confirmed at ina, i would find the business process for that unique space they operate, which is insuring information both ways, but also in the dhs component, feel the opportunity to enhance their missions and to integrate it within border security, trade, travel, aviation, and critical infrastructure is a real opportunity, and to look at ina and our processes and business process, facilitate that mission, and then possibly carve out stuff that we don't need
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that other organizations are doing and doing well. to make sure we're using taxpayers dollars well and mitigating the threat. >> given the mission of your agency, as you look forward over the next ten years, do you see more employees that are government employees or more employees that are contractors based upon what you know the skill set is going -- that you're going to need to attract? >> senator, thank you for the question. i have seen incredibly dedicated contractors i worked for. but i believe the workforce, a continuing workforce with the knowledge coming up through the ranks like i have, and also maintaining an employee business environment so we retain employee whose are competitive is critical to dhs-ina.
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i have steen the committee's past reports on reducing the number of contractors, and i'm committed to that as well and i agree we would continue to have a government workforce in maintaining quality employees from the entry level and having career progressions all the way up through the senior executive ranks. i think i'm a benefit of those type of career paths and i would like to include that at dhs-ina if confirmed. >> i'm going to put you on the spot. in your view, is there any overlap in dhs' and fbi's efforts to counter violent extremists, as others have expressed? >> senator, thank you for the question. i think there is potential overlap there, but business solutions and partnerships, which i will bring with the fbi, are easy. i know the fbi well. i'm friends with them. i grew up with them through our
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management change. but the uniqueness of ina, of incorporating suspicious activity and partnering with state, local, and tribal and prive sector partners is the unique ina is in and can fill where the fbi is pace-driven, investigative driven organization, dhs-ina is gnaw, and my job is to insure the intelligence shared on those type of threats, and i think we have an opportunity in partnership with the fbi and our local partners in that threat space. >> ina is such a small piece of dhs. do you have any concerns about getting lost? relative to the secretary's view of what ina is or should be or can be? >> senator, i do -- i think the critical thing is scoping the mission with having the midlevel and entry level managers understanding our mission directly so we're focused on the
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main mission of keeping the homeland safe. we can't be everything to everyone. that could cause challenges. so the scoping and business plan in my opinion if confirmed is going to be the critical aspects of ina moving out on a mission-oriented integrative approach. >> i encourage you to make sure that ina is a full partner in the enterprise there versus just the agency you turn to when there's an oh blank moment. i'm going to turn to the vice chairman. >> i appreciate your comments and i want to follow up on what i raised and senator harris raised. i was surprised last week when we had the head of all the association of secretaries of state who basically viewed that the designation of our electoral system as critical infrastructure, she felt that
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was a burden rather than an asset. and again, not sure this will exactly fall within your purview, but i want to reemphasize that something is wrong with our system if we have information and we feel like our top state election officials are not cleared in appropriate security clearance level to actually get briefed on that information. and again, i think we missed, dodged a bullet in 2016 because none of the systems were penetrated to a level that affected but if there's one word that we have heard from the i.c. is it's that the russians will be back, and i would hope we get to a point where if your designated critical infrastructure, you felt that was a net positive to your institution and dhs was providing both assets support
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and information sharing in a way that, again, made sure that our most critical component of our democratic process, our voting system, is appropriately protected. i hope you're think through that. i know it's a new area and i appreciated the comments from dhs last week, but this is something we have to get to with a real sense of urgency immediately. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, vice chairman. david, i want to thank you again for, one, your service to the country. senator manchin. >> is it possible to follow up on one question? >> yes. the senator is recognized. >> thank you very much. david, what have we learned since 9/11? you know, i understood that we had a lot of -- we were a lot of the intelligence community was warned. we had a lot of chatter going on. we knew, but it isn't like anyone was coordinated or talked to anybody at all. but everyone was concerned about that. in your valuation in taking on these role you're going to be
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taking on, what do you think you have learned or we have learned that we should have learned and how can you make sure it doesn't repeat itself, because you're going to be sharing this all the way down to the level you started at. now you're the top of the food chain. you know what it's like down there. that's where it's got to be stopped. i read all the reports on 9/11. it really shouldn't have happened. >> senator, thanks for the question. i thought about that for many years. in coming up through the entry level ranks and serving with some very elite intelligence and operational squads and teams, the one thing i have learned is the mission integrated operationally focused approach. and empowering your leaders, empowering your mid and lower level managers of staff with commander intent, with an operational mind set that all threats must be mitigated. you don't know home at night until the threats are mitigated and you share intelligence. you do everything you can in legal bounds of sharing information with each other. when you do recognize stovepipes
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or vulnerabilities, raise them up immediately. you can't sit on them. i was fortunate enough early on in my career to have been the lead on the alshabazz threat in the homeland at a very entry level, very entry level in some incredible leaders i worked for allowed me to develop the program in the homeland to mitigate that threat and it also involved oversea partners, the department of defense and the intelligence organizations. i have taken that to heart on how i view every day at work is mitigated threats. operating intelligence and clear and direct information lines to policymakers. when threats are emerging, we change together as a team. i view this as a one team, one fight government approach. doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. it's about keeping the country safe. i'm committed to that. i will always be committed to that. >> david, again, i want to thank you, you for your service, your family for their service, and more importantly, for your willingness to fill this role
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that the president's asked you to do. it's an incredible. i have enjoyed your lovely children. if i didn't have a 15-month-old granddaughter, i would take alexis home with me today. david, it's the vice chair's and my intent to move your nomination as rapidly as we possibly can. as you know, there's a great likelihood that we will adjourn for the fourth of july week tomorrow. i can assure you if there's any way to get this process moving before we leave, we'll try to do that. mark and i will talk. if not, we'll do it as quickly when we get back. it's my hope we can get your permanently placed no later than the july timeframe. my one reminder to you is that dhs has many bosses from a standpoint of policy. you have one. and it's this committee. and the intelligence that you
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process through the ina is of great interest to us. i want to go back to this duplication thing just very briefly because having served in multiple capacities that you have, i think you can understand my frustration. when i sit down in the morning and i go through my intelligence reports from overnight, and i find a report that i read from five different areas and at the bottom of it, the core source was the same product, it really makes me wonder why we need five different interpretations of the same core product. and if that core product is important as i think it is, why isn't everybody turning to them versus trying to recreate the wheel with every turn. so i hope you'll remember that
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as you serve out this term at ina, because i really think we've got to refine what we do and how we do it from an intelligence standpoint. the rest of the world is changing, and they don't have the rules, and they don't have the history to incumber them like we do in the united states. we have to figure out how to get the history out of the way but the rules are going to stay. and we will be very aggressive from our standpoint of our oversight of you and of the organization. with that, this hearing is adjourned.
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